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MWM
11-18-2007, 12:48 AM
It's the right time, but I have a lot of respect for Looyd Carr. He was great for college football and I hope his legacy gets the respect it deserves.

Let the speculation begin on who replaces him. The obvious choice is Les Miles, but I don't think Michigan will go after him. His temperament doesn't mesh well with the Michigan culture. Plus, he's psychotic. Michigan fans should want no part of this guy.

Some might say he shouldn't want the job, but there's a few reasons why he would beyond his attachment to the University. First, he's not very popular down there in Baton Rouge. Many of the fans give Pelini more credit than Miles and they say he's just riding the coat tails of Saban's recruits. They also think he's lost too many game they should have won. Not saying I agree, just that he's not as beloved there as one would think given his success.

Second, I'm not sure how well he's recruited, but afte this year, Saban's recruits will be gone and the south is tough to recruit. Recruiting in the midwest with Michigan's name I would think would be a little easier.

Another obvious choice would be Jim Harbaugh. The only problem is some might wonder if he's ready for the big time yet. He hasn't had the success yet you could command from a coach for Michigan. I think he's a long shot.

They might consider going after Bob Stoops. Some might ask why he would leave OU. First, Michigan has got to be one of the most appealing college coaching jobs out there. Stoops grew up in Big Ten country in Ohio and he's done about as much as he can do in Oklahoma. He's hit a plateau there and I think he'd be much better suited to contend for National Titles at Michigan. I could be WAY off on his interest, but I think he might just be.

Jeff Tedford from Cal would be a good choice. He's done good work at Cal, but he's always going to play second fiddle to USC and Cal isn't the sports school that Michigan is. He'll never have the resources at Cal that he would at Michigan. The only downside is that he's never shown he knows how to build a defense.

Even Bo Pelini from LSU might be a candidate. He played at Ohio State, and the last time they got a guy with Ohio State ties, he did OK, IIRC. He's defensive minded and Michigan has historically gone after defensive minded coaches.

Heck, Mar D'Antonio might even be considered. I doubt it, but he wouldn't be a bad choice. If this were to happen, Michigan State might become as big a rival as OSU.

Some people have suggested Lloyd Carr, but he might too old at this point. they might be looking for someone who will be around longer. Plus, I've heard Chow is a pretty polarizing individual and has no interest in doing the "non-football" things required of coaches, such as schmoozing alumni, etc... He doesn't like dealing with university beauracrats. That won't go over very wel in Ann Arbor. My understanding is this is why someone with a record like his has never been a head coach.

I've also heard Ron English, but I think they need to go outside. English isn't ready yet, IMO.

Of course, they could go after an NFL coordinator as well.
My money is on Tedford. That's who I think will ultimately get the job.

MWM
11-18-2007, 12:49 AM
Oh yeah, here's the article:

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3116338

It appears that Michigan lost a little more than just the game against Ohio State.

ESPN has learned that Michigan coach Lloyd Carr will hold a 10 a.m. press conference on Monday at which time he is expected to announce his retirement.

Carr led many to believe he would retire after this season when he altered his contract last winter and made sure all of his assistants were given unprecedented, two-year deals in the spring. Speculation has run rampant about 62-year-old coach's future.

"There will be a day to discuss that, and this isn't it," he said Saturday.

With a 14-3 home loss Saturday, Carr became the first coach at Michigan (No. 21 BCS, No. 23 AP) to go 1-7 over a seven-year stretch against No. 7 Ohio State (11-1, 7-1 Big Ten).

Cornerback Morgan Trent said Carr did not address his future before or after the game.

"We'll just have to wait and see like everyone else," Trent said.


Carr's Coaching Career
A look at Michigan head coach Lloyd Carr's coaching resume:

Years Position
1995-2007 Michigan head coach
1987-94 Michigan defensive coordinator*
1980-86 Michigan DB coach
1978-79 Illinois DB coach
1976-77 Eastern Michigan DB coach
* -- Also served as assistant head coach from 1990-94.

Signs have been pointing toward this being the 62-year-old's 13th and final year at the helm for Michigan (8-4, 6-2). Carr altered his contract last December, allowing him to easily make this his final season as coach and still collect deferred compensation. In March, his assistant coaches were given two-year deals to pay them through Feb. 28, 2009, even if they are not coaching at Michigan.

Michigan opened the season ranked fifth in The Associated Press Top 25 but quickly fell out of the national championship discussion. Since becoming head coach in 1995, Carr is 121-40 and 81-23 in the Big Ten. He has won five Big Ten titles, one national title and led the Wolverines to a bowl game every season.

Many others, however, have been talking about his possible successor for months, if not years.

LSU coach Les Miles seems to be at the top of the list because he played for the late Bo Schembechler at Michigan. That is where Miles met his wife, and he was an assistant there under Schembechler.

Even though Miles appears to be in a great situation leading the top-ranked Tigers in a talent-rich area of the country, the school seemed concerned enough about him bolting for Ann Arbor that it put a specific clause in his contract to make it an expensive move.

In the "termination by coach" section of his deal, Michigan is the only other school mentioned. It states that Miles will not seek or accept employment as Michigan's coach. If Miles does leave LSU to coach the Wolverines, he must pay LSU $1.25 million.

KronoRed
11-18-2007, 12:51 AM
Brian Kelly from UC should be in the mix.

MWM
11-18-2007, 12:59 AM
Brian Kelly from UC should be in the mix.

Could be, but I would think guys like Tedford would be higher on the list. He wouldn't be a bad choice.

Chip R
11-18-2007, 01:00 AM
Nick Saban? Charlie Weis? ;)

Seriously, Bo's not around anymore so they don't have to get a "Michigan Man". I think Harbaugh's burned his bridges since he trashed Michigan right before the season started. Pellini might be a good choice but Nebraska might go after him. Tedford may be a good choice if they keep English around. Perhaps they get someone from Urban Meyer's staff.

MWM
11-18-2007, 01:03 AM
Nick Saban? Charlie Weis? ;)

Seriously, Bo's not around anymore so they don't have to get a "Michigan Man". I think Harbaugh's burned his bridges since he trashed Michigan right before the season started. Pellini might be a good choice but Nebraska might go after him. Tedford may be a good choice if they keep English around. Perhaps they get someone from Urban Meyer's staff.

If Pelini is given the choice between Michigan and Nebraska, I think taking the Michigan offer would be a no brainer. That Nebraska program is a mess. Michigan has talent and a guy who's probably going to be a pretty good QB and one of the best RBs out of last year's class. the Michigan job is an appealing one.

KronoRed
11-18-2007, 01:03 AM
Could be, but I would think guys like Tedford would be higher on the list. He wouldn't be a bad choice.

I'd be a little leery of Tedford, his teams never seem to take that next step.

MWM
11-18-2007, 01:06 AM
I'd be a little leery of Tedford, his teams never seem to take that next step.

True, but the deck is stacked against him. To be able to do what he's done at Cal is impressive. Remember, they have high academic standards, so they can't just recruit anyone. Plus, the best of the home state recruits are going to USC, so he's trying to build a program without the second best recruits from his own back yard.

Chip R
11-18-2007, 01:12 AM
If Pelini is given the choice between Michigan and Nebraska, I think taking the Michigan offer would be a no brainer. That Nebraska program is a mess. Michigan has talent and a guy who's probably going to be a pretty good QB and one of the best RBs out of last year's class. the Michigan job is an appealing one.


Absolutely. But he was at Nebraska for a while and was head coach there for about 5 minutes so they may hold some appeal to him.

MWM
11-18-2007, 01:14 AM
This is REALLY out there and I doubt he'd ever leave the warm weather of the south, but what aobut Steve Spurrier? yes, I know it's a HUGE long shot, but I could see why the job would appeal to him. He could do a lot more at Michigan than he'll ever do at South Carolina. He could be BIG-TIME at Michigan, but he'll struggle to recruit at SC.

Even more importantly, I'm not sure Spurrier fits the Michigan culture, but you never know. It's worth a phone call.

Chip R
11-18-2007, 01:18 AM
This is REALLY out there and I doubt he'd ever leave the warm weather of the south, but what aobut Steve Spurrier? yes, I know it's a HUGE long shot, but I could see why the job would appeal to him. He could do a lot more at Michigan than he'll ever do at South Carolina. He could be BIG-TIME at Michigan, but he'll struggle to recruit at SC.

Even more importantly, I'm not sure Spurrier fits the Michigan culture, but you never know. It's worth a phone call.


Not in a thousand years. You can't play golf year round in Ann Arbor. And you talk about teams that don't play defense. Spurrier didn't win anything at Florida till one of the Stoops brothers was coaching his defense.

KronoRed
11-18-2007, 03:44 AM
Spurrier didn't win anything at Florida till one of the Stoops brothers was coaching his defense.

Whoa now, that's way off, he had 5 SEC titles before Bob Stoops showed up, in fact in Stoops' 3 years they only won one SEC crown.

But Spurrier isn't going anywhere IMO, he'll either get USC turned around or call it quits, the man is looking old.

15fan
11-18-2007, 02:56 PM
Yesterday after the game, I pointed out to my neighbor (who has 2 degrees from Michigan) that Michigan ought to consider John Cooper.

When he was on the sidelines, Michigan almost always won the last game of the regular season.

;)

GoReds33
11-18-2007, 07:53 PM
Marvin Lewis?:D

I am a Michigan fan. I want to get that out of the way. Now that I say that, it's about time. I thought he would do that last year. I hope that they make the right choice... other than Brian Kelly.:)

WVRed
11-18-2007, 08:31 PM
If Michigan would get Rich Rodriguez out of the state, I would be so happy...

Seriously though, assuming he would leave WVU, he would be the perfect fit to return Michigan to prominence and would even give the Buckeyes a run.

The one thing to notice is that Ohio St cannot contain teams that run a spread offense, most noticeably Florida and Illinois. Bring in one of the main innovators and get some of the players in to run it, and I believe Coach Rod would be the best fit in Michigan.

That being said, I don't think he will get past what happened with Bama.

Unassisted
11-18-2007, 09:20 PM
The one thing to notice is that Ohio St cannot contain teams that run a spread offense, most noticeably Florida and Illinois. Bring in one of the main innovators and get some of the players in to run it,

I read a Michigan fan site today where someone jokingly suggested the Wolverines hire Mike Leach from Texas Tech. He would definitely shake up the Big Ten with his brand of no-huddle spread offense.

I would kind of hate to see that happen, because I like Leach's attitude and I like seeing how his offense gives Texas and Oklahoma fits every time they play. It wouldn't be as enjoyable watching him give the Buckeyes a unique challenge at the end of every season.

MWM
11-18-2007, 09:38 PM
Leach is too much of a loose cannon for Ann Arbor. Plus, he doesn't believe in defense. Michigan's problem the last 5 years has been defense.

I'd go after Pelini and Tedford.

Unassisted
11-19-2007, 11:30 AM
Some successor speculation from MSNBC (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21881951/).


Michigan Stadium, which already boasts the largest seating capacity in the sport, is adding luxury boxes as part of a controversial $226 million renovation. Considering that investment, Carr’s successor should have considerable leverage in negotiating a salary package. So the $1.25 million that LSU coach Les Miles would have to pay his current employer to get out of his contract and return to Michigan, where he played, met his wife and worked as an assistant under Schembechler, might not be much of an obstacle.

But Baton Rouge won’t be the only pin on the map in whatever office Michigan’s search committee has already commandeered.

Among college coaches, Iowa’s Kirk Ferentz and Stanford’s Jim Harbaugh, a former Michigan QB, are generating some buzz. The list of NFL candidates ranges from Carolina Panthers assistant Mike Trgovac, who played for the Wolverines, on through head coaches Bobby Petrino in Atlanta and Jon Gruden in Tampa Bay.

The most intriguing rumor, perhaps, has former Steelers coach Bill Cowher cutting short retirement to take the job. At least he’s had plenty of rest.

LoganBuck
11-19-2007, 03:45 PM
Ohio State doesn't have problems with the straight spread offense, they have problems with the spread-option. The spread option relies on a mobile quarterback, who can run and pass. Ohio State has been shown to be vulnerable to this because they lack playmaking defensive tackles that can push the pocket, causing the quarterbakcs to move sideways, instead of upfield. Ohio State has not had a stud DT since Ryan Pickett, or even farther back to the Dan Wilkenson and Alonzo Spellman days.

15fan
11-19-2007, 04:10 PM
Bobby Petrino.

How the worm has turned in the past 10.5 months.

westofyou
11-19-2007, 04:12 PM
Pretty steady program, I've been a fan for 38 years and the next guy will only be the 4th in my fan life. I respect the man, and bid him well, it's time to spread out the attack.

George Foster
11-19-2007, 11:15 PM
This is REALLY out there and I doubt he'd ever leave the warm weather of the south, but what aobut Steve Spurrier? yes, I know it's a HUGE long shot, but I could see why the job would appeal to him. He could do a lot more at Michigan than he'll ever do at South Carolina. He could be BIG-TIME at Michigan, but he'll struggle to recruit at SC.

Even more importantly, I'm not sure Spurrier fits the Michigan culture, but you never know. It's worth a phone call.

Spurrier got a membership to Augusta National just down the road from Columbia....he ain't going anywhere. Golf is his 2nd passion. I don't ever see him leaving S.C. Now if the L.S.U. job came open.......???

My point being that he's an SEC guy.

Virginia Beach Reds
11-20-2007, 12:00 AM
my money is on Les.

I'm a huge blue fan and I'm tired of slow defense and offense functioning like it's 1990. spread it out and be fast on defense. Big is out, thin and fast is in.

second on the list...sandusky native Gruden.

I wonder if the Cowher rumor will be like Wandstedt at Pitt. I complete disaster...

MaineRed
11-20-2007, 12:14 AM
Big difference between Wandstedt and Cowher. Cowher is actually a good coach. But I think Cowher is one of those guys that needs to coach men, not boys. And there is also that recruiting thing.

westofyou
11-20-2007, 11:18 AM
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071120/SPORTS06/311200010/1048


MICHAEL ROSENBERG: Why I'll miss Lloyd Carr

November 20, 2007

When I first covered Lloyd Carr as the Free Press's Michigan beat writer, I got frustrated by what I didn't see and didn't hear.

I didn't see players from Tuesday to Friday; practices were closed. After losses, I didn't always see the best players at Monday news conferences. I didn't hear the coach talk about injuries. (“Bumps and bruises,” is as specific as Carr got.)

In time, I came to understand why Carr operated like this: He saw no benefit in doing it any other way. His stadium was always full. He never liked being criticized, but he was willing to take the heat if it meant saving his players from the fire. His only concern was his team.

In recent years, I've come to accept that the problem for many fans is what they don't see. They don't see how low even a program like Michigan could fall, because Carr never let it fall. Fans think four losses is a disaster; go ask Notre Dame about that.
Fans didn't see scandal, didn't hear their coach lobby for a raise every year and rarely saw a player question the coach's leadership.

Naturally, fans take this for granted.

If Michigan doesn't hire the right coach to replace Carr, you might just see everything that Carr avoided. And then you might appreciate Carr.

One other thing that fans didn't see: Although Carr could spar with the media in public, his relationship with most reporters in this state is actually quite good.

Some coaches are well-known in the journalism community for putting on a good show for the national media and treating the locals like garbage. Carr is not like that. Last year, as his team won its first 11 games, he declined to speak to Sports Illustrated because he didn't want the magazine to make him the story. But while access is always limited at Michigan, he is fair with reporters who treat him fairly.

Most coaches deny that they ever read the sports section. The truth is that they never read any other section. Lloyd Carr read the whole paper, and he respected anybody who tried to do a job with integrity and class. So do I. And that's why I'll miss covering him.

15fan
11-20-2007, 12:52 PM
"Lloyd Carr read the whole paper, and he respected anybody who tried to do a job with integrity and class."

ABC's Todd Harris might beg to differ.

MaineRed
11-20-2007, 01:25 PM
Maybe Carr didn't think Harris was one of those guys who did his job with integrity and class. Most Disney employees don't.