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AmarilloRed
11-19-2007, 10:05 PM
RESERVE LISTS: Tomorrow is the deadline for all 30 Major League Baseball teams to file their reserve lists for the upcoming Rule 5 Draft, scheduled for December 6 during the Winter Meetings in Nashville...any player eligible for the Rule 5 Draft who is not protected on a Major League 40-man roster may be selected by another team...eligibility for the draft depends on the player’s age during the signing season of his first contract...generally, players who sign at age 19 or older are under a club’s control for 4 seasons, while players who sign at age 18 or younger are under a club’s control for 5 seasons...after tomorrow’s deadline, no team can promote a minor league player to its 40-man roster until after the Rule 5 Draft, though it can remove a player from the roster to make room for a Rule 5 draft selection.

posted by John Fay at 5:39 PM

Bigredfan#1
11-19-2007, 11:45 PM
Wouldn't it be great to pick up another Burton and Hamilton, preferrably a SP though!

AmarilloRed
11-20-2007, 12:17 AM
The current 40 (34 listed) man list: (As of 11-19-07)


40-Man Roster

Pitchers (15)

Bronson Arroyo, R

Homer Bailey, R

Matt Belisle, R

Bill Bray, L

Jared Burton, R

Todd Coffey, R

Jon Coutlangus, L

Aaron Harang, R

Bobby Livingston, L

Gary Majewski, R

Marcus McBeth, R

Brad Salmon, R

Alexander Smit, L

Mike Stanton, L

David Weathers, R

Catchers (3)

Ryan Hanigan

David Ross

Javier Valentin



Infielders (9)
Jorge Cantu

Juan Castro

Edwin Encarnacion

Jerry Gil

Alex Gonzalez

Scott Hatteberg

Jeff Keppinger

Brandon Phillips

Joey Votto



Outfielders (7)
Buck Coats

Chris Dickerson

Adam Dunn

Ryan Freel

Ken Griffey Jr.

Josh Hamilton

Norris Hopper

The Reds have room to protect 6 more players.

Ahhhorsepoo
11-20-2007, 04:01 PM
why isnt jay bruce or cueto on that list? is it because they haven't been up at the major league level at all yet?

AmarilloRed
11-20-2007, 04:15 PM
Active Roster
Pitchers B/T Ht Wt DOB
61 Bronson Arroyo R/R 6-5 195 02/24/77
34 Homer Bailey R/R 6-4 205 05/03/86
31 Matt Belisle R/R 6-3 230 06/06/80
45 Bill Bray L/L 6-3 220 06/05/83
51 Jared Burton R/R 6-5 230 06/02/81
56 Todd Coffey R/R 6-5 255 09/09/80
40 Jon Coutlangus L/L 6-1 185 10/21/80
-- Richie Gardner R/R 6-2 201 02/01/82
39 Aaron Harang R/R 6-7 275 05/09/78
37 Bobby Livingston L/L 6-3 205 09/03/82
38 Gary Majewski R/R 6-1 220 02/26/80
59 Marcus McBeth R/R 6-2 195 08/23/80
-- Tyler Pelland R/L 6-0 198 10/09/83
-- Ramon Ramirez R/R 5-10 172 09/16/82
53 Brad Salmon L/R 6-4 225 01/03/80
79 Alexander Smit L/L 6-3 210 10/02/85
29 Mike Stanton L/L 6-1 215 06/02/67
-- Daryl Thompson R/R 6-1 183 11/02/85
25 David Weathers R/R 6-3 235 09/25/69
Catchers B/T Ht Wt DOB
65 Ryan Hanigan R/R 6-0 195 08/16/80
26 David Ross R/R 6-2 240 03/19/77
-- Craig Tatum R/R 6-0 217 03/18/83
17 Javier Valentin S/R 5-10 215 09/19/75
Infielders B/T Ht Wt DOB
23 Jorge Cantu R/R 6-3 200 01/30/82
9 Juan Castro R/R 5-11 190 06/20/72
28 Edwin Encarnacion R/R 6-1 215 01/07/83
62 Jerry Gil R/R 6-3 200 10/14/82
2 Alex Gonzalez R/R 6-0 200 02/15/77
21 Scott Hatteberg L/R 6-1 210 12/14/69
-- Paul Janish R/R 6-2 190 10/12/82
27 Jeff Keppinger R/R 6-0 180 04/21/80
4 Brandon Phillips R/R 6-0 195 06/28/81
19 Joey Votto L/R 6-3 220 09/10/83
Outfielders B/T Ht Wt DOB
63 Buck Coats L/R 6-3 195 06/09/82
63 Chris Dickerson L/L 6-3 225 04/10/82
44 Adam Dunn L/R 6-6 275 11/09/79
6 Ryan Freel R/R 5-10 185 03/08/76
3 Ken Griffey L/L 6-3 230 11/21/69
33 Josh Hamilton L/L 6-4 235 05/21/81
30 Norris Hopper R/R 5-10 210

Looking at the previous list and the new one just out, it looks like the Reds added Richie Gardner, Ramon Ramirez, Tyler Pelland, Craig Tatum, Daryl Thompson, and Paul Janish. I imagine Bruce and Cueto aren't on the list because they don't have enough service time, and the Reds don't want to risk them to the Rule 5 draft.

Strider
11-20-2007, 04:18 PM
To select a player in the rule 5 draft, do you have to have a vacancy on the 40 man prior to the pick, or can you make room after the pick?

AmarilloRed
11-20-2007, 04:27 PM
The beginning post says that you can remove a player prior to the Rule 5 draft, but that you cannot add any new players. I imagine the Reds could remove the likes of Juan Castro and Buck Coats(and hope someone drafts them) to make room for players they would receive in the Rule 5 draft.

I(heart)Freel
11-20-2007, 05:19 PM
why isnt jay bruce or cueto on that list? is it because they haven't been up at the major league level at all yet?


I think this part:

"...eligibility for the draft depends on the player’s age during the signing season of his first contract...generally, players who sign at age 19 or older are under a club’s control for 4 seasons, while players who sign at age 18 or younger are under a club’s control for 5 seasons..."

Bruce was drafted and played in 2005. Cueto was signed as an amateur free agent in 2004 (but had his first season in 2005).

I think they're not eligible and therefore not needed to be protected under after 2008 season, at least.

If you look at it, at least based on the Reds recent Rule V drafts, we get and lose players who are a few years older and therefore entering that eligibility period.

The more I read and learn about Rule V, the more I'm taken with it. Pretty cool wrinkle in player/team management.

AmarilloRed
11-20-2007, 07:35 PM
Here are the players that are eligible for the Rule 5 draft and that are minor league free agents(taken from Baseball America). These are our players that can be taken by other teams in the Rule 5 draft.

Pitchers—Rick Asadoorian, Carlos Bohorquez, Dan Denham, Steven Kelly, Elizardo Ramirez, Dushan Ruzic.

Catchers—Jean Boscan, Miguel Perez.

Infielders—1b Jesse Gutierrez, SS Jeff Bannon, SS Caonabo Cosme, SS Aaron Herr, SS Anderson Machado.

Outfielders—Marland Williams.

gedred69
11-20-2007, 08:17 PM
Here are the players that are eligible for the Rule 5 draft and that are minor league free agents(taken from Baseball America). These are our players that can be taken by other teams in the Rule 5 draft.

Pitchers—Rick Asadoorian, Carlos Bohorquez, Dan Denham, Steven Kelly, Elizardo Ramirez, Dushan Ruzic.

Catchers—Jean Boscan, Miguel Perez.

Infielders—1b Jesse Gutierrez, SS Jeff Bannon, SS Caonabo Cosme, SS Aaron Herr, SS Anderson Machado.

Outfielders—Marland Williams.
If this is accurate, I feel okay about it. only a few of those guys I would hope to not lose, EZ, Asadoorian, and maybe Perez and Herr.

Vada Pinson Fan
11-21-2007, 01:14 AM
Out of that list it wouldn't surprise me if the Reds lost some of these guys in the Rule 5 draft-
Elizardo Ramirez, Miguel Perez, Jesse Gutierrez and Anderson Machado.

Gutierrez- I saw him play in Dayton and liked his abilities alot. But with the abundance of
1st basemen on the Reds, It see why he wasn't protected.
EZ- Should be a very decent pitcher in the near future. At times with the Reds he was very tough on opposing hitters. It'll be interesting to watch him mature and see what kind of pitcher he can be, given patience/time.

AmarilloRed
11-23-2007, 11:13 PM
I would imagine we will see a player removed from the 40 man roster with the addition of Cordero. He is supposed to have a physical next week, and we could see several players removed from the roster to clear up space before the Rule 5 draft.

*BaseClogger*
11-23-2007, 11:17 PM
Out of that list it wouldn't surprise me if the Reds lost some of these guys in the Rule 5 draft-
Elizardo Ramirez, Miguel Perez, Jesse Gutierrez and Anderson Machado.

Gutierrez- I saw him play in Dayton and liked his abilities alot. But with the abundance of
1st basemen on the Reds, It see why he wasn't protected.
EZ- Should be a very decent pitcher in the near future. At times with the Reds he was very tough on opposing hitters. It'll be interesting to watch him mature and see what kind of pitcher he can be, given patience/time.

I can see Ramirez getting taken, but remember, if a team takes a guy like Gutierrez they have to keep him on the big league roster the entire season. I don't think there are very many teams that think Gutierrez is ready to contribute at the bigs for a whole season, but I am by no means an expert...