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NorrisHopper30
11-30-2007, 05:19 PM
How long till one of these two are ready, and what position do you think they will play in the MLB?

My main reason for asking this question is I am not a big fan of Gonzo, do you think the Reds will make a move to acquire a SS or just stick with Gonzo/Keppinger.

*BaseClogger*
11-30-2007, 07:46 PM
How long till one of these two are ready, and what position do you think they will play in the MLB?

My main reason for asking this question is I am not a big fan of Gonzo, do you think the Reds will make a move to acquire a SS or just stick with Gonzo/Keppinger.

why not a fan of Gonzo?

Blue
11-30-2007, 08:38 PM
I'll be surprised if either Janish or Valaika are ever good enough to start in the major leagues.

AmarilloRed
12-01-2007, 01:12 AM
Both are in the minor leagues, so this thread should move to Minor League Talk.

zjr1717
12-01-2007, 02:57 AM
From what I can tell, they both look like they can go ahead and sign up for membership in the Fraternal Order of Utility Infielders. So I'm not really worried about when or if they get here.

macro
12-01-2007, 09:38 AM
Both are in the minor leagues, so this thread should move to Minor League Talk.

You are correct. Let's move it.

mth123
12-01-2007, 09:53 AM
How long till one of these two are ready, and what position do you think they will play in the MLB?

My main reason for asking this question is I am not a big fan of Gonzo, do you think the Reds will make a move to acquire a SS or just stick with Gonzo/Keppinger.

I predict that Janish goes the Gary Green route and becomes a defensive minded minor league IF that teams stash at AAA in case of emergency. I suspect he's no threat to be a major league starter and even as a utility IF he will struggle to stay in the majors.

Valaika has quickly reached a crossroads. He looked like a plus bat for the MI but he probably won't stay at SS and its questionable whether he'll even stick at 2B. His best bet may be multi-position supersub, but his bat completely tanked at A+ and he needs to prove he can hit again. If he does he could be a nice player as a 2B or supersub.

Neither of these guys is the answer to the SS position any time soon. The best bet in the system is probably Jose Castro who was one of the guys they got for Jeff Conine. He should have the glove to stick at SS and had a BA driven ability to get on base until he was pushed to AA after the trade (maybe before he was ready). He probably starts back at AA this year and how he does on offense will tell the tale. Even if he does hit a little, he's probably a number 8 hitter type with no power and he doesn't walk much. I'm less optimistic than I was previously now that I've had time to examine him a little more closely. I think the next Red's SS is not in the system at this time.

camisadelgolf
12-01-2007, 10:15 AM
I see Jose Castro as a Walt Weiss who walks less. For the Reds' shortstop prospects, here is how I rank them:

Zach Cozart (who has yet to show anything--I like what I've seen from his videos, though)
Paul Janish (who needs to develop a little more hitting ability)
Yen-Wen Kuo (who may be moved to second base because his arm is a little weak)
Jose Castro (who needs another growth spurt)

TOBTTReds
12-01-2007, 11:43 AM
Zach Cozart (who has yet to show anything--I like what I've seen from his videos, though)


I lack confidence he will ever hit.

camisadelgolf
12-01-2007, 12:11 PM
I lack confidence he will ever hit.

I think you're in the majority. I don't think he'll ever have an All-Star caliber hitting ability, but I expect him to put up something like a .280/.330/.400 line in the big leagues. It's not very impressive, but if he can prove to be a great defensive shortstop, I think he'll be worthy of the starting lineup.

dougdirt
12-01-2007, 12:20 PM
I think you're in the majority. I don't think he'll ever have an All-Star caliber hitting ability, but I expect him to put up something like a .280/.330/.400 line in the big leagues. It's not very impressive, but if he can prove to be a great defensive shortstop, I think he'll be worthy of the starting lineup.
For a shortstop, that is borderline all star. If he EVER hit that, I would be ecstatic. I just don't see it happening.

camisadelgolf
12-01-2007, 12:33 PM
For a shortstop, that is borderline all star. If he EVER hit that, I would be ecstatic. I just don't see it happening.

I don't mean to sound like Falls City Beer, but I just trust what my eyes see when it comes to Zach Cozart.

dougdirt
12-01-2007, 12:36 PM
I don't mean to sound like Falls City Beer, but I just trust what my eyes see when it comes to Zach Cozart.

Nothing wrong with that. I didn't like the scouting reports I saw on him, but can't say I have seen him swing the bat much.

AmarilloRed
12-02-2007, 12:11 AM
It sounds like we have a lot of question marks at SS at this time. I think the Reds should look at drafting a SS next year, as Alex Gonzalez won't be here forever.

mlbfan30
12-02-2007, 01:46 AM
I would hope they take a SS, usually every team takes at least 1 in the draft.

Triples
12-03-2007, 08:51 AM
I would hope they take a SS, usually every team takes at least 1 in the draft.

I can't recall the last time the Reds didn't take several SS in the draft; including at least one in the top rounds

M2
12-03-2007, 10:12 AM
I don't mean to sound like Falls City Beer, but I just trust what my eyes see when it comes to Zach Cozart.

What is it you think you see? I haven't seen him, but his bat was a question mark heading into the draft and normally I'd be looking for either plus bat speed or extreme patience as an indicator that a guy could rebound from what Cozart displayed last year. I'm under the impression Cozart offers neither.

camisadelgolf
12-03-2007, 10:45 AM
What is it you think you see? I haven't seen him, but his bat was a question mark heading into the draft and normally I'd be looking for either plus bat speed or extreme patience as an indicator that a guy could rebound from what Cozart displayed last year. I'm under the impression Cozart offers neither.

His bat speed isn't necessarily anything special, and his patience is actually kind of bad, but I really like his mechanics. He doesn't seem to have the best judge of the strike zone nor exceptional pitch recognition skills, but when he makes contact, he hits the ball where it was pitched. Unfortunately, he wasn't blessed with much power, so I don't think you'll see him get too many extra base hits, but I think he'll get more than his fair share of sharply-hit singles with some doubles in the gaps for good measure. I think BABIP will be the tale of his offense.

Mario-Rijo
12-03-2007, 08:59 PM
What is it you think you see? I haven't seen him, but his bat was a question mark heading into the draft and normally I'd be looking for either plus bat speed or extreme patience as an indicator that a guy could rebound from what Cozart displayed last year. I'm under the impression Cozart offers neither.

If he stays in Dayton long (which I assume he will) several of us should get a good hard long look at him. I know I will be watching intently.

mbgrayson
12-06-2007, 08:43 AM
Chris Valaika has been listed in the Top 20 for the Hawaii Winter League. Here is a 'fair use' portion of the BA article:

12. CHRIS VALAIKA, SS/2B
North Shore (Reds)

After playing shortstop over the course of his first full season which he finished in high Class A, the 2006 third-round pick reported to Hawaii, where he moved over to second base. His below-average foot speed limited his range at short, and the move was not unexpected. At second base, Valaika showed good actions and range to either side, along with good pivots on double plays. His arm strength is more than adequate for the position and he could profile as an everyday player because of his bat. Valaika has quick hands and strong wrists that produce line drives to all fields, and he has above-average pop for a middle infielder.

bucksfan2
12-06-2007, 12:28 PM
I can't recall the last time the Reds didn't take several SS in the draft; including at least one in the top rounds

I would think they do this because SS and CF are usually the best and most athletic positions on the diamond.

Mario-Rijo
12-11-2007, 10:10 PM
Chris Valaika has been listed in the Top 20 for the Hawaii Winter League. Here is a 'fair use' portion of the BA article:


12. CHRIS VALAIKA, SS/2B
North Shore (Reds)

After playing shortstop over the course of his first full season which he finished in high Class A, the 2006 third-round pick reported to Hawaii, where he moved over to second base. His below-average foot speed limited his range at short, and the move was not unexpected. At second base, Valaika showed good actions and range to either side, along with good pivots on double plays. His arm strength is more than adequate for the position and he could profile as an everyday player because of his bat. Valaika has quick hands and strong wrists that produce line drives to all fields, and he has above-average pop for a middle infielder.

Yeah I think if he learns some patience he could be the answer at 2nd if and when BP becomes a FA. However how good can he be defensively w/ some range issues. Is he a RH version of Todd Walker if he learns that patience? I think that's his upside, but I hope that he has at least a bit more range.

Topcat
12-14-2007, 04:19 AM
Chris Valaika has been listed in the Top 20 for the Hawaii Winter League. Here is a 'fair use' portion of the BA article:

12. CHRIS VALAIKA, SS/2B
North Shore (Reds)

After playing shortstop over the course of his first full season which he finished in high Class A, the 2006 third-round pick reported to Hawaii, where he moved over to second base. His below-average foot speed limited his range at short, and the move was not unexpected. At second base, Valaika showed good actions and range to either side, along with good pivots on double plays. His arm strength is more than adequate for the position and he could profile as an everyday player because of his bat. Valaika has quick hands and strong wrists that produce line drives to all fields, and he has above-average pop for a middle infielder.

That profiles almost as a 3/4 version of Jeff Kent and if that is the case whoa that would be wonderful dilemma for the Red's.

I personally want Brandon Phillips as a Red for a lo0ng long time but this is nice back up or nice trading fodder if he lives up to the above stated projection :beerme:

kentjett
12-15-2007, 08:11 PM
Move Phillips to short

RedlegJake
12-16-2007, 03:24 PM
The Reds take lots of SS - but almost all project better somewhere else. Same for most teams. SS at the ML level requires at least a tad of footspeed but especially quick reactions, agility to twist and turn and a strong arm. Most guys outgrow the position bulk wise. If they have the arm and reaction time they move to third. If they have agility but less arm they move to second. Most of the others wind up in the OF if their bat can support it. Janish and Cozart can't hit (although I'm willing to give Cozart the edge because he's just starting out). Valaika is a second baseman. Frazier is a third baseman. They guy I know little about except reports is Neftali Soto. It sure appears he has the bat but I think I read he's also projected to eventually move from SS.