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MWM
12-01-2007, 12:51 PM
Who wins.

kbrake
12-01-2007, 12:53 PM
With lots of admitted bias I say Oklahoma.

MWM
12-01-2007, 01:03 PM
I think Mizzou wins. There's just something about that team. I think Chase Daniel is a great college QB and will come thorugh big. Plus, I think Oklahoma is ALWAYS over-rated and this year is no exception. I think Mizzou wins by about 9 points.

BuckWoody
12-01-2007, 01:18 PM
With lots of admitted bias I say Oklahoma.
x2

Boomer Sooner, Boomer Sooner
Boomer Sooner, Boomer Sooner
Boomer Sooner, Boomer Sooner
Boomer Sooner, OK U!
Oklahoma, Oklahoma
Oklahoma, Oklahoma
Oklahoma, Oklahoma
Oklahoma, OK U!
I'm a Sooner born and Sooner bred
and when I die, I'll be Sooner dead
Rah Oklahoma, Rah Oklahoma
Rah Oklahoma, OK U!

dougdirt
12-01-2007, 01:23 PM
x2

Boomer Sooner, Boomer Sooner
Boomer Sooner, Boomer Sooner
Boomer Sooner, Boomer Sooner
Boomer Sooner, OK U!
Oklahoma, Oklahoma
Oklahoma, Oklahoma
Oklahoma, Oklahoma
Oklahoma, OK U!
I'm a Sooner born and Sooner bred
and when I die, I'll be Sooner dead
Rah Oklahoma, Rah Oklahoma
Rah Oklahoma, OK U!

What he said.

MWM
12-01-2007, 01:29 PM
Thw question isn't qho do you *want* to win. It's who who do you think will win.

Danny Serafini
12-01-2007, 01:30 PM
I think Mizzou wins. There's just something about that team. I think Chase Daniel is a great college QB and will come thorugh big. Plus, I think Oklahoma is ALWAYS over-rated and this year is no exception. I think Mizzou wins by about 9 points.

Oklahoma is part of a group (Virginia Tech, Kansas St., Notre Dame) that is year in and year out badly overrated. But I do think Oklahoma wins tonight.

dougdirt
12-01-2007, 01:31 PM
Thw question isn't qho do you *want* to win. It's who who do you think will win.

What, Stoops isn't a big game coach? Sure he is.

I think its going to be a close game, but Oklahoma pulls out a 6 point win with a score in the 4th.

BuckWoody
12-01-2007, 01:40 PM
Thw question isn't qho do you *want* to win. It's who who do you think will win.
Oh. I'll take Oklahoma then. :D

RFS62
12-01-2007, 02:19 PM
I think Mizzou has a slight edge, but I want Oklahoma to win so WVU can get Ohio State for the title.

RANDY IN INDY
12-01-2007, 02:34 PM
Not that they won't, but the Mounties still have to beat Pitt today.

guttle11
12-01-2007, 04:13 PM
Oklahoma gets better recruiting talent year in and year out, they are experienced in big games, they will have many more fans in the Alamodome, and they have beaten Missouri like a drum in recent history.

The gap isn't that wide so Missouri winning would not be a surprise, but Oklahoma is clearly a slight favorite on paper.

RedFanAlways1966
12-01-2007, 04:17 PM
Ozzie and I hope Missouri will...

http://www.rodallengame.com/uploaded_images/ozzie-guillen-choke-765109.jpg

MaineRed
12-01-2007, 04:21 PM
What makes OU overrated? There are teams outside the top ten who deserve their spot?

OU is the class of the Big 12. Saying they are overrated is like saying Ohio State is overrated. They are the only team to beat Mizzou, they won their half of the league and they are 10-2.

Overrated? By who?

MWM
12-01-2007, 04:55 PM
Wow! I figured more people would think OU for the win, but I didn't think it would be this lopsided. I really think Mizzou wins. Looks like a lot of people will be surprised if that happens.

Highlifeman21
12-01-2007, 04:58 PM
I think Mizzou has a slight edge, but I want Oklahoma to win so WVU can get Ohio State for the title.

I hope Mizzou and WVU both win today to keep tOSU on the outside looking in at the NC.

That, and I've never liked Oklahoma. And Pittsburgh has a snowball's chance in hell at knocking off WVU today.

Unassisted
12-01-2007, 06:13 PM
I think Oklahoma wins, just because it's been that kind of crazy season at the top of the polls. The norm for the season is upsets, so why pick against the norm? :)

I considered going to this game. But since I don't have a horse in the race, I couldn't see spending $45 for a ticket that would put me closer to the Alamodome roof than the playing field.

GAC
12-01-2007, 06:18 PM
Wow! I figured more people would think OU for the win, but I didn't think it would be this lopsided. I really think Mizzou wins. Looks like a lot of people will be surprised if that happens.

I picked OU; but I won't be surprised if Mizzou does win. It should be one heck of a game.

Probably the most watched game in Columbus all year. :lol:

BearcatShane
12-01-2007, 06:23 PM
I hope Missouri wins but I think Oklahoma will.

I just don't want OSU to have the excitment of a National Championship game.

guttle11
12-01-2007, 10:46 PM
Pitt goes up 10-7 on WVU, and Pat White is out with a dislocated thumb.

Oklahio State is up 14-6 on Mizzou.

CrackerJack
12-01-2007, 10:48 PM
I've been watching the Buckeyes since I was in high school weekly, it's just good football with a lot of amazing players. I root for them when they aren't playing the Bearcats. So I'm hoping OU wins.

MaineRed
12-01-2007, 10:49 PM
That LSU-Georgia title game should be a lot of fun.

OnBaseMachine
12-01-2007, 10:53 PM
There isn't a single team in college football that deserves a NC this year.

I would love to see Hawaii get a crack at it but that won't happen.

KronoRed
12-01-2007, 10:54 PM
That LSU-Georgia title game should be a lot of fun.

OSU/LSU ;)

OnBaseMachine
12-01-2007, 10:56 PM
I would place Florida Atlantic in the NC before I would LSU.

KronoRed
12-01-2007, 10:57 PM
I would place Florida Atlantic in the NC before I would LSU.

Ridiculous.

OnBaseMachine
12-01-2007, 11:02 PM
Ridiculous.

And placing LSU in the NC game with two losses to an unranked team is ridiculous wouldn't you say?

MaineRed
12-01-2007, 11:02 PM
I would place Florida Atlantic in the NC before I would LSU.

Funnel another gallon of vodka.

OnBaseMachine
12-01-2007, 11:04 PM
Funnel another gallon of vodka.

Mods, can we do something about this? He called WilyMoRocks a bozo a few days and edited before anyone could see it and now this.

KronoRed
12-01-2007, 11:05 PM
And placing LSU in the NC game with two losses to an unranked team is ridiculous wouldn't you say?

Two teams that are going to bowl games, better then Georgia who couldn't even win their conference division, or USCw who lost to two unranked teams as well.

guttle11
12-01-2007, 11:05 PM
That holding call on Pitt was among the worst I've ever seen. It should be 17-7 right now.

And Pitt misses the FG. Still 10-7.

MaineRed
12-01-2007, 11:05 PM
And placing LSU in the NC game with two losses to an unranked team is ridiculous wouldn't you say?

I would say placing a 7-5 team with 3 losses to unranked team is MUCH more ridiculous.

KronoRed
12-01-2007, 11:06 PM
FAU did win the sun belt today :D

OnBaseMachine
12-01-2007, 11:06 PM
Two teams that are going to bowl games, better then Georgia who couldn't even win their conference division, or USCw who lost to two unranked teams as well.

Since when did Oregon become unranked?

There is no way LSU reaches the NC, not even in the SEC fantasy world.

OnBaseMachine
12-01-2007, 11:07 PM
Sarcasm people.

KronoRed
12-01-2007, 11:08 PM
With their loss today I think it's likely Oregon will be falling down to also receiving votes.

OnBaseMachine
12-01-2007, 11:09 PM
With their loss today I think it's likely Oregon will be falling down to also receiving votes.

They should still be ranked, afterall their are a few SEC teams with 4 losses that are still ranked.

Anyway, Oregon was one of the top 5 teams in the country when USC lost to them. They were clearly a great team until their star QB went down.

MaineRed
12-01-2007, 11:09 PM
Sarcasm people.

Glad you get to decide what is sarcasm and what needs the attention of the mods.

Maybe your sarcasm was met with more sarcasm. Ever think of that?

MaineRed
12-01-2007, 11:10 PM
They should still be ranked, afterall their are a few SEC teams with 4 losses that are still ranked.

Anyway, Oregon was one of the top 5 teams in the country when USC lost to them. They were clearly a great team until their star QB went down.

Kentucky was ranked when LSU lost to them. And don't bring up injuries. UK played part of the year with their 3rd string RB IIRC.

KronoRed
12-01-2007, 11:11 PM
And Kentucky was 6-1 and ranked in the top 15 when LSU lost to them.

OnBaseMachine
12-01-2007, 11:13 PM
And Kentucky was 6-1 and ranked in the top 15 when LSU lost to them.

With wins over Eastern Kentucky, Kent State, Louisville, FAU, and Arkansas. I'd say they were a little overrated.

MaineRed
12-01-2007, 11:18 PM
Sort of like Oregon. Wins over a team that couldn't beat a 1-AA team and a team that lost to Stanford as its only signature wins.

Newsflash, Oregon isn't the only team to be hit with the injury bug. Go check what Auburn did to Glenn Dorsey and read up on his issues. Check into the shoulder injury and the broken hand of Tim Tebow. Check the Kentucky RB situation. Look into what Arkansas had to deal with their their QB transfering to USC. Look at Michigan, USC and plenty of others.

Dennis Dixon isn't the only person to get hurt. Pat White going down tonight might cost WVU their title shot. It is football. Injuries are as much of the game as 3rd down conversions.

KronoRed
12-01-2007, 11:18 PM
With wins over Eastern Kentucky, Kent State, Louisville, FAU, and Arkansas. I'd say they were a little overrated.

Maybe Oregon was as well with opponents that aren't even going to bowl games like Washington, Washington St, Stanford and it looks like Cal.

OnBaseMachine
12-01-2007, 11:21 PM
Maybe Oregon was as well with opponents that aren't even going to bowl games like Washington, Washington St, Stanford and it looks like Cal.

Oregon put a beat down on Big-Ten runner up Michigan. They also pounded a solid Houston and Fresno State teams and beat top ten USC and #13 ASU.

KronoRed
12-01-2007, 11:24 PM
So Houston and FSUw are solid but FAU sucks?

Ok I got it ;) carry on.

guttle11
12-01-2007, 11:25 PM
WVU just fumbled inside their own 20.

George Foster
12-01-2007, 11:25 PM
Since when did Oregon become unranked?

There is no way LSU reaches the NC, not even in the SEC fantasy world.

Even though I'm an SEC man, I have to agree. If MIZZU and West Virgina lose, it will be Ohio St. and......Virgina Tech in the NC. Look at the poles.

Kansas and Georgia cannot go to the NC because they did not win their conference championships.

At 10:25pm...West Virgina is all but beat. Christmas comes early to Columbus!!!!!!

RedFanAlways1966
12-01-2007, 11:25 PM
Wow... WV fumbles and PITT recovers with 9:30 left. 1st-and-10 for PITT at WV's 18.

OnBaseMachine
12-01-2007, 11:26 PM
FAU plays in the worst conference in cfb. They don't suck but I think Houston and FS beats them.

There are some good games on that I wanna watch. I'm done with thread. I think we can all agree LSU doesn't deserve a NC.

KronoRed
12-01-2007, 11:26 PM
Kansas and Georgia cannot go to the NC because they did not win their conference championships.


There isn't any rule stating that, although I think it should be one.

When you get to 2 loss teams there are quite a few with a good argument that they should be included

MaineRed
12-01-2007, 11:26 PM
Oklahoma 62
Tulsa 21

Tulsa 56
Houston 7

Solid as they come.

guttle11
12-01-2007, 11:28 PM
What's funny is that you guys are arguing about something that's completely irrelevant at the moment. There's no reason for it right now. Some of us want to discuss the games that really matter right now.

KronoRed
12-01-2007, 11:28 PM
I think we can all agree LSU doesn't deserve a NC.

Sure, neither do most of the teams near them in the polls.

KronoRed
12-01-2007, 11:29 PM
Missouri isn't dead yet.

MaineRed
12-01-2007, 11:29 PM
BTW, I was the one being sarcastic when I said LSU and Georgia in the title game. LSU is 7th in the BCS and only two teams in front are going to lose this weekend. They did win but not impressively enough to jump all the way up 5 spots.

It could get interesting with Georgia though. Or Kansas. I don't think Va Tech at 6 or LSU at 7 have any shot. It won't matter to OSU if both Mizzou and WVU lose. At least I don't think it will. Voters are going to have to think long and hard about who to move up.

But better than FAU? Gimme a break.

George Foster
12-01-2007, 11:31 PM
There isn't any rule stating that, although I think it should be one.

When you get to 2 loss teams there are quite a few with a good argument that they should be included

If I'm not mistaken, part of the BCS ranking has a coaches poll that is incorporated into it. I don't think Kansas or Georgia make it.

If Kansas makes it to the NC...it will be a joke and force a playoff next year in my opinion. Oklahoma wins the Big 12 and Kansas plays for the NC....

KronoRed
12-01-2007, 11:32 PM
If I'm not mistaken, part of the BCS ranking has a coaches poll that is incorporated into it. I don't think Kansas or Georgia make it.

If Kansas makes it to the NC...it will be a joke and force a playoff next year in my opinion. Oklahoma wins the Big 12 and Kansas plays for the NC....

Who doesn't like some college football anarchy? :cool:

KronoRed
12-01-2007, 11:33 PM
Yikes, 1st and goal at the 6 and Pitt settles for a FG.

MaineRed
12-01-2007, 11:34 PM
Both teams have blown numerous chances

guttle11
12-01-2007, 11:35 PM
Pitt really should have gone for that. You need to have some cajones in a game like this.

And it will bite them in the butt as Devine gets a big return.

MaineRed
12-01-2007, 11:36 PM
If I'm not mistaken, part of the BCS ranking has a coaches poll that is incorporated into it. I don't think Kansas or Georgia make it.

If Kansas makes it to the NC...it will be a joke and force a playoff next year in my opinion. Oklahoma wins the Big 12 and Kansas plays for the NC....

If both WVU and Mizzou lose, Kansas or Georgia is probably going to the title game. The coaches might knock them down but the computers won't and the coaches don't have enough pull to trump the computers in this regard, IMO.

MaineRed
12-01-2007, 11:37 PM
Pitt really should have gone for that. You need to have some cajones in a game like this.


You know who coaches Pitt, right? The reason he now coaches Pitt is because he has none.

KronoRed
12-01-2007, 11:38 PM
WVU fails on 4th down, have they heard of the passing game?

joshnky
12-01-2007, 11:40 PM
WVU fails on 4th down, have they heard of the passing game?

Its tough when your starting QB gets knocked out early.

KronoRed
12-01-2007, 11:41 PM
Its tough when your starting QB gets knocked out early.

With that many in the box I'm throwing the ball, left handed if needed ;)

GAC
12-01-2007, 11:42 PM
I simply cannot believe that Pitt is doing this to WVU at WV, Geez.

OU scores the TD to go ahead

George Foster
12-01-2007, 11:42 PM
If both WVU and Mizzou lose, Kansas or Georgia is probably going to the title game. The coaches might knock them down but the computers won't and the coaches don't have enough pull to trump the computers in this regard, IMO.

that would be awlful. It will cause teams like MIZZU to want to skip their conference championship games.

What would stop them? a big fine from their conference?
If MIZZU loses, they could of skipped this game and played in "the big one."

The big 10 might be pretty smart not having a championship game.
Oklahoma just scored 21-14

RedFanAlways1966
12-01-2007, 11:42 PM
Oklahoma with a TD. 21-14 OU with 4:00 left in the 3rd.

KronoRed
12-01-2007, 11:44 PM
What would stop them? a big fine from their conference?
If MIZZU loses, they could of skipped this game and played in "the big one."


A forfeit looks pretty bad on your schedule

George Foster
12-01-2007, 11:45 PM
A forfeit looks pretty bad on your schedule

Is it really a "scheduled" game???

RedFanAlways1966
12-01-2007, 11:45 PM
PITT getting homered!!! Two very questionable holding calls and a non-call on WVU. Makes ya wonder... doesn't their conference stand to make a lot more $$$$ with one of their own in the title game?

KronoRed
12-01-2007, 11:45 PM
Is it really a "scheduled" game???

Yep, if the opponent shows up and the other team isn't there it's a forfeit

George Foster
12-01-2007, 11:46 PM
Santa Claus has just been spotted east of Columbus...going west!

Screwball
12-01-2007, 11:47 PM
I can't believe these calls in the Pitt-WVU game. The refs should be ashamed of themselves.

GAC
12-01-2007, 11:47 PM
OU INT and runs it back to the 7.

Roy Tucker
12-01-2007, 11:48 PM
Yeah, I'm not a Pitt fan, but they have gotten absolutely hosed on 3 calls now. Two phantom holding calls on very critical plays and then a no-call on a very obvious hold call.

Man.

George Foster
12-01-2007, 11:48 PM
I've seen more lost helmets in the last 3 weeks than in 15 years.

GAC
12-01-2007, 11:49 PM
OU TD

28-14 Sooners

RedFanAlways1966
12-01-2007, 11:50 PM
4th and loooong for WVU. Look for a flag on PITT! ;)

CrackerJack
12-01-2007, 11:50 PM
Looks like Pitt will spoil both the Bearcats' and WVU's seasons...

MaineRed
12-01-2007, 11:51 PM
that would be awlful. It will cause teams like MIZZU to want to skip their conference championship games.

What would stop them? a big fine from their conference?
If MIZZU loses, they could of skipped this game and played in "the big one."

The big 10 might be pretty smart not having a championship game.
Oklahoma just scored 21-14

Mizzou would have been dropped big time by voters for being a bunch of babies and refusing to play a team that beat them earlier. That wouldn't fly.

There is nothing wrong with these title games where conferences have two divisions.

If you don't want KU or Georgia then it is ACC champ VaTech who was pounded by SEC champ LSU 44-7. And we are down to the current #7 team. I don't think Mizzou should drop below LSU if they lose tonight.

If I remember correctly you are one of those who doesn't want a play-off. A play-off that would solve this continual mess we have every year.

KronoRed
12-01-2007, 11:52 PM
That's it for the guys in all yellow, UT lost today in all orange, it's the curse of the solid uniforms ;)

RedFanAlways1966
12-01-2007, 11:52 PM
Ohio State smiling as WVU turns it over on downs. Refs throw another flag on PITT for celebrating.

KronoRed
12-01-2007, 11:53 PM
Wow stop with these shots of the crying fans, that's just not cool, show the players.

George Foster
12-01-2007, 11:54 PM
The perfect storm just happened concerning the BCS computer rankings.

MaineRed
12-01-2007, 11:57 PM
I think it is a darn shame that the only conference winner who will probably play for the title is the winner of the worst league out of the Big 6 conferences.

To me a play-off that includes LSU, VaTech, Oklahoma, USC and WVU makes a lot more sense than what we are going to have which is a JOKE.

MaineRed
12-01-2007, 11:57 PM
Pitt celebrating on WVU's mid field logo.

Guess they didn't get the memo.

KronoRed
12-01-2007, 11:58 PM
That's it for the guys in all yellow, UT lost today in all orange, it's the curse of the solid uniforms ;)

And Missouri is in all black :lol:

MaineRed
12-01-2007, 11:59 PM
Was BC in all scarlet today?

Edit, nope, they had light pants on.

KronoRed
12-01-2007, 11:59 PM
The perfect disaster for the BCS would be whatever 2 loss team gets to the title game beating osu, then you end up with about 5 2 loss teams all claiming they deserve the title.

That would be great :)

guttle11
12-02-2007, 12:00 AM
WVU is one-dimensional. When you control the line of scrimmage against them, they are pretty ordinary. They can't pass.

GO Bucks!

MaineRed
12-02-2007, 12:00 AM
The perfect disaster for the BCS would be whatever 2 loss team gets to the title game beating osu, then you end up with about 5 2 loss teams all claiming they deserve the title.

That would be great :)

Agreed!

GAC
12-02-2007, 12:02 AM
I think it is a darn shame that the only conference winner who will probably play for the title is the winner of the worst league out of the Big 6 conferences.

To me a play-off that includes LSU, VaTech, Oklahoma, USC and WVU makes a lot more sense than what we are going to have which is a JOKE.

What justification do you put forward that leaves OSU out of that scenario? They have 1 loss vs a good Illinois team currently ranked #15 in the nation.


WEST VIRGINIA LOSES

OnBaseMachine
12-02-2007, 12:02 AM
We need a playoff.

George Foster
12-02-2007, 12:02 AM
Mizzou would have been dropped big time by voters for being a bunch of babies and refusing to play a team that beat them earlier. That wouldn't fly.

There is nothing wrong with these title games where conferences have two divisions.

If you don't want KU or Georgia then it is ACC champ VaTech who was pounded by SEC champ LSU 44-7. And we are down to the current #7 team. I don't think Mizzou should drop below LSU if they lose tonight.

If I remember correctly you are one of those who doesn't want a play-off. A play-off that would solve this continual mess we have every year.

A play-off would not be that bad if someone can figure out how to incorporate, 12 regular season games, conference championship games, a dead month of december, and bowl games.
You can't take out the 8 best teams out of the Bowls, and you can't play the bowls in December. It's to much of a tradition to play the New Year day game bowls.

I'm all for shortening the season or not starting the season until late september so there is not a dead month.

The powers that be could just do away with The BCS system and go back to a coaches/AP poll.

MaineRed
12-02-2007, 12:03 AM
What justification do you put forward that leaves OSU out of that scenario? They have 1 loss vs a good Illinois team currently ranked #15 in the nation.


WEST VIRGINIA LOSES

Take it easy. I wasn't leaving them out. I was saying a play-off that includes those teams I listed in addition to the teams in the title game, one of whom figures to be OSU.

MaineRed
12-02-2007, 12:05 AM
A playoff is coming to college football, not eventually but probably sooner than the moneyed-establishment wants to admit.

Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany, the Vladimir Putin of college sports and the key figure preventing a playoff, can stem the tide for only so long.

Unfortunately, we're stuck with the current Bowl Championship Series for the time being. But that doesn't mean we can't dream about what a real playoff would entail and the magic it would produce each December and January.

If you think you like Saturdays now, understand that this is just college football lite; one day to be looked back on as a quaint and confusing era.

Here's how the playoff will eventually work – and this isn't just my idea, it's essentially the exact scenario the NCAA (which will eventually run it) uses to run the football playoffs at the former Division I-AA, II and III.

We even made up a mock bracket for you to salivate over.

(Please note, whereas some conference title games still need to be played, for the sake of argument we assigned victory to the higher rated team in the current BCS standings to place and seed the field).

A 16-TEAM FIELD

Just like in what used to be Division I-AA, the tournament would feature four rounds with teams seeded one through 16. Just like the wildly popular and profitable NCAA men's basketball tournament, champions of all the conferences (all 11 of them) earn an automatic bid to the field.

Yes, all 11. Even the lousy conferences. While no one would argue that the winner of the Mid-American Conference is one of the top 16 teams in the country, there are multiple benefits of including champions of low-level leagues.

First is to maintain the integrity and relevancy of the regular season. While the idea that the season is a four-month playoff is both inaccurate and absurd, there should be a significant reward for an exceptional season.

The chance for an easier first-round opponent – in this case No. 1 Missouri would play No. 16 Central Michigan or Miami (Ohio) – is a big reward for a great regular season. Earning a top-three seeding would present a school a near breeze into the second round. Drop to a sixth-seed in this year's scenario and you are dealing with Florida.

On the flip side, it brings true Cinderella into the college football mix for the first time. Is it likely that Central Florida could beat Ohio State? Of course not, but as the men's basketball tournament has proven the mere possibility (or even a close game) draws in casual fans by the millions.

Last season the most memorable college football game was Boise State-Oklahoma, in part because Boise was the unbeaten underdog that wasn't supposed to win. When it did, in dramatic fashion, it became arguably the most popular team in America.

But it had no shot at a national title because the system says Boise can't be any good in 2007 because it wasn't any good in 1967. As illogical as this is, that's the system.

For even lower-rated conferences – the Sun Belts, the MACs – allowing annual access to the tournament would not only set off celebrations on small campuses but it would encourage investment in the sport at all levels. Suddenly, there would be a reason for teams in those leagues to really care. This would improve quality throughout the country.

With the bigger conferences, a championship would take on greater value. Does anyone without direct rooting interest really care if USC wins the Pac-10 Saturday? How about the Virginia Tech-Boston College ACC title game? You would now.


AT-LARGE BIDS

In addition to the 11 automatic bids, there would be five at-large selections made by a basketball-like selection committee. Most years, those would come from the power conferences (ACC, Big East, Big Ten, Big 12, Pac-10 and SEC).

While the selection process would still draw complaints from the teams left out, those schools often would have two or three losses or significant flaws. Gone forever would be the days of an unbeaten Auburn in the 2004 season not getting a chance at the title or the bizarre 2003 season where nearly everyone thought USC was the best team but got left out anyway.

HOME GAMES FOR HIGHER SEEDS IN FIRST THREE ROUNDS

The strangest part of the BCS is that outside businesses – the people who own the bowl games – get a cut of the revenue. It would be unfathomable for a league such as the NFL or NBA to allow independent promoters to stage its playoffs.

College football is leaving millions on the table by staging top games in far-off locales. Ohio State, for instance, earns an estimated $5 million-plus for each home game. And that is just direct revenue. Forbes estimates Buckeye football games generated $42 million for the Columbus area in 2005.

The 14 hugely profitable home games from the first three rounds would create a huge revenue stream.

There is simply no need to include the current bowl structure. Obviously no fan base can afford to travel week after week to neutral-site games. But they wouldn't have to. In what used to be Division I-AA, the playoffs are home field until the title game. That's the way it should be.

The competitive value of home-field advantage would also help maintain the importance of the regular season because the higher the seed, the more home games.

This would also be a boon to teams in the Midwest, which build their teams to deal with the predictably harsh weather only to play postseason games in generally warm, calm environs.

So how would say, USC fare if it didn't get a Big Ten opponent in Pasadena each January, but rather had to slip and slide around Ann Arbor or Columbus for a change? And who wouldn't want to see the Trojans invade one of those historic old stadiums, snow falling, and proving they have grit not just skill?

COMPETITION

That's the best part, of course, the games. As heart-thumping and pulse-stopping as college football is and always has been, we aren't even scratching the surface in our plan. We currently have nothing even close to this. Week after week of building excitement, tension and stakes.

A byproduct of the BCS has been a devaluing of competitiveness in college football. There is no longer an incentive to play games against other big-time opponents. It's not just intra-regional games that are all but gone but most non-conference games of any significance. Teams just load up on patsies to grab the home gate and maybe play one local rival.

Amazingly, the BCS rewards them for this.

Because of human voters' tendency to favor record over all else – unless the school is from outside the BCS – the goal of the season is simply not to lose. The easiest way to do that is to play as few teams as possible that are capable of beating you.

The BCS favors teams that load up on cupcakes early and play in a weaker BCS conference that ideally doesn't have to deal with a 13th game (for the league title).

Consider Kansas, which is rated No. 5 in the BCS (and was No. 2 last week) despite owning wins over opponents with a combined record of 45-63 record (.417 winning percentage). Maybe the Jayhawks are a great team that was capable of beating other great teams. But no one really knows. And the BCS didn't care.

The playoffs return the big-time games between teams from different conferences. Even better, it puts them on campus – not some far-flung NFL stadiums – in historic venues with all the pageantry.

Oklahoma-USC in the Coliseum in the first round? Florida-Ohio State in the Horseshoe in the second? How about the Buckeyes at West Virginia in a national semifinal? Every week of every year would be incredible.

BOWL GAMES COULD STILL EXIST

Understanding that there really isn't anything wrong with most bowl games – it's not like innocent people are dying because the Meineke Car Care Bowl exists – we'll allow them to stick around.

One bowl could serve as the championship game, giving college football its neutral, Super Bowl-style site to conclude the tournament.

As for all the other bowls, they can go on as they wish. The NIT still operates, doesn't it? It's not like most bowl games have any direct bearing on the championship now.

There is value to the smaller bowls in smaller communities. If the Sun Bowl in El Paso, Texas, still wishes to stage a game, it by all means should. It just won't have access to the 16 playoff teams. But it doesn't have access to teams of that quality now. It still can host a meaningless game between two moderately successful schools. For most bowls, nothing changes.

The lack of 16 "bowl-qualified" teams would filter down, of course, and run a couple of minor bowls out of business since there won't be enough bowl-eligible clubs. But if the reason college football is not staging a playoff is the need to save the International Bowl in Toronto, then the current system is more corrupt than we think.

THE SCHEDULE

While the former Division I-AA plays all four rounds in four weeks and stages the title game before Christmas, football’s top division might be better served playing the first one or two rounds in December, breaking for final exams and staging the semifinals just after Christmas and the title game in early January.

The schedule is a minimal concern. Something can be worked out. Whatever it is, it would allow teams and stars to become familiar to the American public, for momentum to build and excitement to grow.

The college football playoffs would have a chance to rival the NFL playoffs (Super Bowl included) as the biggest sporting event in the country. Fans would love it, players live for it and a game deserving of a real playoff finally enjoying it. It would capture the imagination of the nation.

Right now it's only a dream, but the day is coming. There is only so long the dictators can stop it.

Dan Wetzel is Yahoo! Sports' national columnist. Send Dan a question or comment for potential use in a future column or webcast.

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/news;_ylt=Alrt9NMXwCFOMcCpGiaS4K3txLsF?slug=dw-playoff112707&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

George Foster
12-02-2007, 12:06 AM
What justification do you put forward that leaves OSU out of that scenario? They have 1 loss vs a good Illinois team currently ranked #15 in the nation.


WEST VIRGINIA LOSES

With the current system, OSU DESERVES to be in the national championship game.

The current system however punishes the conferences that have conference championship games. The more games you play, the more chances you have to lose.

KronoRed
12-02-2007, 12:07 AM
Well Brent and Herbie both say there will never be a playoff, gives me hope that we'll get one eventually.

paintmered
12-02-2007, 12:09 AM
With the current system, OSU DESERVES to be in the national championship game.

The current system however punishes the conferences that have conference championship games. The more games you play, the more chances you have to lose.

OSU is the only deserving team to make the national championship game assuming OU holds on against Mizzou.

Crazy year.

guttle11
12-02-2007, 12:10 AM
With the current system, OSU DESERVES to be in the national championship game.

The current system however punishes the conferences that have conference championship games. The more games you play, the more chances you have to lose.

It's not the system's fault. The season is 12 games. If a conference (and it's Presidents and ADs) decide to play one more game for money, that's their problem. No one forces these championship games to be played.

MaineRed
12-02-2007, 12:11 AM
If there was a 8 or 12 team play-off, this OU, Mizzou game would be reversed. OU would be playing for a shot to contiue their season while Mizzou would be looking at perhaps holding onto home field and/or knocking OU out fo the play-offs. The WVU, Pitt game would have meant just as much.

Love what the yahoo guys lays out. Making the smaller conferences relevant was my favorite part.

GAC
12-02-2007, 12:12 AM
Not that I am against a playoff system, but even that would have it's faults wouldn't it? Lets say one of the "bottom tier" teams in that 16 team field (maybe with 2-3 losses) somehow manages to win the NC by beating a team that went undefeated. Much like when a wild card team gets hot and wins the Super Bowl or World Series.


OU is putting the nail in the coffin.

MaineRed
12-02-2007, 12:12 AM
OSU is the only deserving team to make the national championship game assuming OU holds on against Mizzou.

Crazy year.

I don't know how you can claim they are any more deserving than Kansas. They both have one loss and Kansas plays in the tougher league. Neither team played anyone OOC. Kansas has the better loss.

RedFanAlways1966
12-02-2007, 12:13 AM
OSU is the only deserving team to make the national championship game assuming OU holds on against Mizzou.

Crazy year.

And I have enjoyed the craziness. I am an OSU fan and will enjoy a team that was picked to finish 3rd in their own conference being in the title game. But that aside... the craziness has been great. Parity is fun!

George Foster
12-02-2007, 12:13 AM
Lou Holtz making a case for LSU. both losses in 3 OT's

Georgia did not even when the SEC east.

MaineRed
12-02-2007, 12:14 AM
Not that I am against a playoff system, but even that would have it's faults wouldn't it? Lets say one of the "bottom tier" teams in that 16 team field (maybe with 2-3 losses) somehow manages to win the NC by beating a team that went undefeated. Much like when a wild card team gets hot and wins the Super Bowl or World Series.


OU is putting the nail in the coffin.

What is wrong with a wild card winning the Super Bowl or the World Series?

I have no problem with that whatsoever.

MaineRed
12-02-2007, 12:15 AM
Lou Holtz making a case for LSU. both losses in 3 OT's

Georgia did not even when the SEC east.

Have you said who you think OSU should play if not Kansas or Georgia?

OnBaseMachine
12-02-2007, 12:15 AM
Lou Holtz making a case for LSU. both losses in 3 OT's

Georgia did not even when the SEC east.

Lou Holtz showing why everyone makes fun of him. Even his two partners laugh at him on air.

paintmered
12-02-2007, 12:15 AM
What is wrong with a wild card winning the Super Bowl or the World Series?

I have no problem with that whatsoever.

Weren't you arguing earlier about making sure the "best team" wins the championship?

I hate to break it to ya, but the wild card team is rarely the "best team".

GAC
12-02-2007, 12:15 AM
So..... if this game's score holds up, who plays OSU in the NC game?

It has to be BCS #4 Georgia doesn't it?

guttle11
12-02-2007, 12:15 AM
I don't know how you can claim they are any more deserving than Kansas. They both have one loss and Kansas plays in the tougher league. Neither team played anyone OOC. Kansas has the better loss.

It's simple, they didn't win their conference (or division). The tougher league shoul only applies when two teams with the same number of losses each win their conference.

When you have fewer teams playing for the title than there are conferences involved, you should have to win your league to be called national champions.

But look at who OSU and Kansas beat. The Big Ten is tougher than the Big 12 north, so your logic still doesn't apply.

MaineRed
12-02-2007, 12:18 AM
I don't think arguing for LSU is laughable. The teams in front of them are:

Kansas who beat nobody this season.

VirginiaTech who they beat 44-7

Georgia who plays in a league THEY won.

The LSU/SEC negative bias is getting old. LSU is as good of a football team as there is in America. I said it will be tough for them to get there but I think a darn good case can be made, even by Lou Holtz. Shows it doesn't take an idiot to see that LSU had a pretty good season. Best record of anyone against top 30 teams and two losses in 3 OT. Under the old CFB rules they would be undefeated (assuming those two games that went to OT were ties) and would be playing for the title.

MaineRed
12-02-2007, 12:20 AM
Weren't you arguing earlier about making sure the "best team" wins the championship?

I hate to break it to ya, but the wild card team is rarely the "best team".

I would guess I was arguing about making the sure the best team has a SHOT to win the title. There is no way to make sure the best team wins. And who the best team is, is totally subjective. I like it settled on the field. Even if a wild card ends up winning.

GAC
12-02-2007, 12:22 AM
What is wrong with a wild card winning the Super Bowl or the World Series?

I have no problem with that whatsoever.

I'm not saying I have a problem with it. Just that it's not going to be the perfect system some may envision.

But it was just like when the Cards won the WS a couple years ago. It's obvious that they were not even close to being the best team in MLB that year.

If an 8-3 team somehow makes it to, and then wins the NC, then how is that any different (or better) then what may occur this year where it will possibly be two one loss teams, or one with two losses?

Lets say that this year's NC game ends up being OSU vs Kansas - how is that a farce or some injustice?

OnBaseMachine
12-02-2007, 12:22 AM
Rose Bowl:

USC vs ??? (some said Illinois but do they really deserve a BCS bid?)

Fiesta:

Oklahoma vs Arizona State

Orange:

Va Tech vs WVA

NC:

OSU vs Georgia???

Sugar Bowl:

LSU vs Hawaii (assuming they beat Washington)

MaineRed
12-02-2007, 12:23 AM
Herbstreit just said it should be LSU playing Ohio State.

KronoRed
12-02-2007, 12:24 AM
Missouri punting, they have given up.

George Foster
12-02-2007, 12:25 AM
What is wrong with a wild card winning the Super Bowl or the World Series?

I have no problem with that whatsoever.

apples and oranges. NFL teams and MLB teams have no control over their schedules. College football teams pick 4 teams at their discression.

MLB teams play 81-81 home and away. NFL teams play 8-8 home and away. A team like Kentucky had 8 home games out of 12.

Don't get me wrong, I want the best team win the National Championship. However with corporate sponsors, and all the TV money, the best teams have to play in the big bowl games. This is why "all the talking heads" say that a play-off system is not going to happen anytime in the near future.

Why would you give up the "big Rose Bowl money" to maybe lose in the 1st round of a playoff system? The TV money in the 1st round of a playoff system cannot touch "Rose Bowl money."

guttle11
12-02-2007, 12:25 AM
Illinois doesn't necessarily deserve a BCS bid, but they're likely to get one. Florida can't go, neither can both Kansas and Missouri. The Big East and ACC will only send their champions.

Assuming Hawaii wins tonight, they and Georgia will get two of the four at-large spots. The last two will come down to Missouri/Kansas (most likely Missouri), Arizona State, and Illinois. Going on the rotation of who gets first pick, the Rose Bowl will get an at-large pick before the Fiesta, likely sending Illinois to the Rose Bowl.

If Hawaii loses, all three teams will get spots.

GAC
12-02-2007, 12:26 AM
I would guess I was arguing about making the sure the best team has a SHOT to win the title.

That team, whoever it may be, had that SHOT this year. The only reason they were denied that shot, and then dropped down in the BCS rankings, was because they lost (choked) when they needed to win.

MaineRed
12-02-2007, 12:29 AM
Lets say that this year's NC game ends up being OSU vs Kansas - how is that a farce or some injustice?

Because those are not the best two teams in the country nor the most deserving. IMO and that is all it is, Kansas would have gone 7-5 against LSU's schedule.

A Kansas, OSU title game is going to prove one thing, the weaker the non confernce schedule and the weaker the league, assuming it is one of relevance, the better. Kansas is not as good as OU or Mizzou. And I seriously question if OSU is as good as LSU, USC, VaTech or WVU.

Doesn't it stand to reason that the weaker the schedule, the better the record? We have a system that rewards it. Shouldn't be that way.

George Foster
12-02-2007, 12:30 AM
Have you said who you think OSU should play if not Kansas or Georgia?

I think it has to be a conference champion. With the current system, it has to be either LSU or Virginia Tech.

Georgia did not even when the East, and Kansas did not win their division either.

A good argument can be made for Oklahoma as well. Someone is going to be left out in the cold and it ain't going to be OSU.

Screwball
12-02-2007, 12:30 AM
That was a great article you posted, MR. I'm admittedly only a casual fan of college football, and even I think a college football playoff sounds awesome. I'd become MUCH more interested in college football, and I think a helluva lot of other fans like me would too. It'd rival - and maybe even exceed - March Madness in popularity.

OnBaseMachine
12-02-2007, 12:32 AM
ASU will get screwed out of the Fiesta Bowl because a out of town team will bring in more money to hotels and such.

MaineRed
12-02-2007, 12:33 AM
That team, whoever it may be, had that SHOT this year. The only reason they were denied that shot, and then dropped down in the BCS rankings, was because they lost (choked) when they needed to win.

Bunch of bull GAC. People want to pretend that what we have is some sort of de facto play-off. Well if that was the case OSU would have been out with that loss to Illinois. And I can say with 100% honesty that I was the ONLY person on this board who believed OSU still had a shot to get to the title game after that loss. EVERY single one of the OSU fans was talking about how great it was to make the Rose Bowl with such a young team, etc, etc.

You guys love the system when you can take advantage of it.

GAC
12-02-2007, 12:35 AM
I don't understand how LSU, which is 7th in the BCS, can somehow vault over the teams ahead of them into the BCS game? They are ranked in their respective positions after all the variables, including strength of schedule, are factored in. In other words, there are valid reasons why they are ranked 1,2,3,4.......

IMHO, there is no way the BCS will do that IMO.

George Foster
12-02-2007, 12:35 AM
ASU will get screwed out of the Fiesta Bowl because a out of town team will bring in more money to hotels and such.

Do bowl committee's care about hotels, or just selling tickets. I think ASU would sell a lot of tickets. I know the mayor might want a "out-of-town team" but my job as a committee member is to sell the place out.

paintmered
12-02-2007, 12:40 AM
Do bowl committee's care about hotels, or just selling tickets. I think ASU would sell a lot of tickets. I know the mayor might want a "out-of-town team" but my job as a committee member is to sell the place out.

I don't think there would be any trouble selling out a BCS Bowl no matter who gets the big.

GAC
12-02-2007, 12:40 AM
Because those are not the best two teams in the country nor the most deserving. IMO and that is all it is, Kansas would have gone 7-5 against LSU's schedule.

All your subjective opinion.

And if LSU does somehow get into the NC game,and OSU beats them - and anything is possi ble in this topsy turvy year - you'd say OSU is still not deserving and somehow got lucky. ;)

MaineRed
12-02-2007, 12:40 AM
I don't understand how LSU, which is 7th in the BCS, can somehow vault over the teams ahead of them into the BCS game? They are ranked in their respective positions after all the variables, including strength of schedule, are factored in. In other words, there are valid reasons why they are ranked 1,2,3,4.......

IMHO, there is no way the BCS will do that IMO.

Tell me I am wrong, call me a troll, whatever but you sound like someone who is scared to death of playing LSU and will go to bed praying that it is Kansas who the Buckeyes play.

That said I don't think they will jump over those teams and maybe they are what many like to call them, overrated but to me it is a joke to include Kansas in the title game and LSU won the league that Georgia was in (those teams did not play this year). Then you've got VaTech who LSU pounded.

The question is, how do you NOT put LSU over all those teams? But at the same time how do you move Mizzou below LSU while also making sure Oklahoma is ahead of Mizzou (which they have to be). And then where to do have Kansas if Mizzou is dropping below OU? Shouldn't OU be ahead of Kansas?

The more I think about it, it is a farce if LSU isn't in the title game IMO.

George Foster
12-02-2007, 12:42 AM
With Booty healthy...can we not make a argument for USC as well? They won the pack 10.

I don't care who plays OSU, except I want that team to be a conference champion, not Georgia or Kansas. LSU, VirTech, Oklahoma, or even USC.

MaineRed
12-02-2007, 12:42 AM
All your subjective opinion.

And if LSU does somehow get into the NC game,and OSU beats them - and anything is possi ble in this topsy turvy year - you'd say OSU is still not deserving and somehow got lucky. ;)

Most of what is being said is opinion, never claimed it wasn't.

Kansas lost to Mizzou who lost to OU twice. Kansas is not even the second best team in their own league. Call it subjective if you like.

I'm not an OSU hater. I had them closer to the top in my personal rankings all season than most did based on what they looked like, not what their resume looked like. But this time of year to me the resume matters.

BTW, I never said Ohio State didn't belong there. I'm saying Kansas doesn't.

paintmered
12-02-2007, 12:43 AM
I don't know who should be #2 when everything settles out. For the BCS's sake, I hope it's a conference champion. We've been down the non-conference-champion road before and it's not a good direction.

OnBaseMachine
12-02-2007, 12:44 AM
With Booty healthy...can we not make a argument for USC as well? They won the pack 10.

I don't care who plays OSU, except I want that team to be a conference champion, not Georgia or Kansas. LSU, VirTech, Oklahoma, or even USC.

We lost to Stanford. We don't deserve a chance at the NC.

GAC
12-02-2007, 12:45 AM
Bunch of bull GAC. People want to pretend that what we have is some sort of de facto play-off. Well if that was the case OSU would have been out with that loss to Illinois.

And so would have LSU with their two losses. ;)


You guys love the system when you can take advantage of it.

Now that is a bunch of bull. OSU is ranked #3 in the BCS. The two teams ahead of them, who were in control of their own destiny, just lost. What does logic then dictate? It has nothing to do with taking advantage of the system.

MaineRed
12-02-2007, 12:45 AM
Do bowl committee's care about hotels, or just selling tickets. I think ASU would sell a lot of tickets. I know the mayor might want a "out-of-town team" but my job as a committee member is to sell the place out.

Your job as committee member is to fill the hotels, restaurants and other establishments that you probably own or have financial interest.

The Fiesta Bowl folks will take Illinois before ASU IMO.

CrackerJack
12-02-2007, 12:45 AM
Doesn't the BCS consider the conference championship games just another season game?

Conference championships shouldn't be a factor, ecspecially when other conf's don't have them. I don't know why that would matter in any NC considerations, ecspecially the SEC where Georgia didn't even play LSU.

KronoRed
12-02-2007, 12:46 AM
If Illinois gets to the BCS I think it will be the Rose Bowl because they want the pac10/big11 match up.

This is a lot like last year, except we have a bunch of 2 loss teams instead of 1.

KronoRed
12-02-2007, 12:47 AM
Doesn't the BCS consider the conference championship games just another season game?

Conference championships shouldn't be a factor, ecspecially when other conf's don't have them. I don't know why that would matter in any NC considerations, ecspecially the SEC where Georgia didn't even play LSU.

Disagree, they should count, and they do count as a regular season game, no Georgia didn't play LSU but if they had not lost twice they would have had the opportunity to.

OnBaseMachine
12-02-2007, 12:48 AM
Jake Locker is going to be a special, special player. With the recruiting class Willingham has coming in, UW is going to be very strong before long.

Redsfaithful
12-02-2007, 12:49 AM
As someone who has thought the SEC was a little overhyped this year, I still think it oughta be Ohio State - LSU. I'd say Virginia Tech if they hadn't lost so badly to LSU, but they did. Georgia and Kansas shouldn't get a shot, winning your conference should be a mandatory pre-requisite.

That being said, I'm not sure how LSU actually jumps five spots this week when only two teams ahead of them lost. The voters will jump them pretty high, but will it be enough if the computers have them at 4 or 5?

CrackerJack
12-02-2007, 12:50 AM
Disagree, they should count, and they do count as a regular season game, no Georgia didn't play LSU but if they had not lost twice they would have had the opportunity to.

Well yeah I think the game itself should count just like any other game - I just don't think a team should extra kudo points because it was a conference championship "game."

GAC
12-02-2007, 12:50 AM
Tell me I am wrong, call me a troll, whatever but you sound like someone who is scared to death of playing LSU and will go to bed praying that it is Kansas who the Buckeyes play.

Now who needs to take a step back, breath deeply, and settle down. I've never called you a troll either. Geez! :rolleyes:

I could care less who we play. With me, it's the opportunity to be in the NC game. Period. And not trying to select the best candidate that I think we could beat.

George Foster
12-02-2007, 12:52 AM
We lost to Stanford. We don't deserve a chance at the NC.


That's a good point but Booty got knocked out of that game...right? All I want is a conference champion playing OSU.

If I was a voter here is how I would vote....

1) OSU

2) LSU

3) Oklahoma

4) Virgina Tech

5) USC

6) MizzU

7) West Vir

8) Georgia

**** LSU and Oklahoma could go either way and I could not complain. Oklahoma beat Mizz twice this year.

MaineRed
12-02-2007, 12:53 AM
And so would have LSU with their two losses

Totally agree. But I'm not the one claiming that we have the de facto play-off. That was you.

You like to use this taking care of business line. What about taking care of business against Illinois?

Nobody took care of business in every game but there seems to be this attitude that since we are OSU our choke job doesn't mean as much as the other teams choke jobs.

I know it won't happen but I'd love to see the reaction here on Sunday if OSU is somehow left out. I'm guessing you'd be joining me about what a joke this system is.

GAC you've turned into the Bengal fan defending Chad Johnson. I know you are happy and I am not trying to rain on the parade. With the system we have there is no argument about OSU. But I still don't like the system and don't really believe you do either.

You're just happy you could take advantage of it.

OnBaseMachine
12-02-2007, 12:54 AM
If LSU reaches the NC then I am done with it. I'll watch USC and not another game until the BCS is dropped.

OnBaseMachine
12-02-2007, 12:55 AM
Washington leads Hawaii 7-0.

MaineRed
12-02-2007, 12:55 AM
I've never called you a troll either. Geez! :rolleyes:

I didn't say you had.

Spring~Fields
12-02-2007, 12:58 AM
I could care less who we play. With me, it's the opportunity to be in the NC game.

Me too. I would just like to think that it will help future recruiting being in the NC game.

George Foster
12-02-2007, 01:00 AM
Me too. I would just like to think that it will help future recruiting being in the NC game.

OSU needs help with recruiting like Bill Gates needs help with his computer.....:D:D

You all are the best.

MaineRed
12-02-2007, 01:02 AM
14-0 Washington

OnBaseMachine
12-02-2007, 01:03 AM
14-0 Washington.

George Foster
12-02-2007, 01:07 AM
EVERYONE on ESPN is saying it is going to be LSU.

OnBaseMachine
12-02-2007, 01:08 AM
Colt Brennan is getting drilled early on. He appears to be injured.

MaineRed
12-02-2007, 01:11 AM
MAYBE the computers with the SOS improvement and all that will also move LSU up along with the voters.

It seems impossible that they would move them up that far but it also seems crazy to have OSU and Kansas playing for the national title. Like I said, Kansas can't be considered any better than third in their league. Same with Georgia. Tenn won their half and beat Georgia. Though Florida destroyed Tennessee so who knows what it all means.

Maybe Lou Holtz wasn't that far off base OBM.

MWM
12-02-2007, 01:15 AM
As an Ohio State fan, I would much rather see LSU than Georgia. Heck, the last team I'd want to see is USC, a conference champ and a two loss team. I think they're just as deserving as any other team.

I've watched LSU about 6 times this year, and not once did I ever think I was watching a great team. Are they deserving? Maybe. But based solely on how they looked this year most of the times I saw them, there are several teams I think are better.

OnBaseMachine
12-02-2007, 01:15 AM
21-0 Washington with 5:23 left in the first quarter.

guttle11
12-02-2007, 01:17 AM
This looks like a varsity/JV game right now.

Danny Serafini
12-02-2007, 01:17 AM
This thread needs more Florida Atlantic.

http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/fau/sports/m-footbl/auto_wide/1586406.jpeg

OnBaseMachine
12-02-2007, 01:18 AM
This thread needs more Florida Atlantic.

http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/fau/sports/m-footbl/auto_wide/1586406.jpeg

Absolutely. FAU for the Sugar Bowl!

Jake Locker is so fun to watch. I predict a Rose Bowl and possible Heisman in his future.

GAC
12-02-2007, 01:18 AM
Totally agree. But I'm not the one claiming that we have the de facto play-off. That was you.

And neither did I. That was your wild implication in trying to somehow "read between the lines" at what I was saying.


You like to use this taking care of business line. What about taking care of business against Illinois?

Nobody took care of business in every game but there seems to be this attitude that since we are OSU our choke job doesn't mean as much as the other teams choke jobs.

There seems to have been alot of teams that didn't "take care of business" this year when they needed to. So why just pick on OSU?

Yeah, you don't have a grudge/beef with OSU. :rolleyes:


GAC you've turned into the Bengal fan defending Chad Johnson. I know you are happy and I am not trying to rain on the parade.

Boy that is one stupid analogy. The blunt of this discussion is about who should be #2 and play OSU. OSU being there his now a given,and I'm happy as a peach. Sorry that now bothers you. You're the one on here saying whatever you can to take sideways swipes at OSU (and their fans) because you're somehow pee'd off at the currrent system and OSU is going to make the NC game.

Admit it! You're really upset over that. Quit trying to hide behind this "I really have no beef with OSU" when it's obvious that you do. :lol:



You're just happy you could take advantage of it.

And so would you if it was your team. Quit trying to act like you're being objective you anti-Buckeye you. ;)

MaineRed
12-02-2007, 01:18 AM
I've watched LSU about 6 times this year, and not once did I ever think I was watching a great team. Are they deserving? Maybe. But based solely on how they looked this year most of the times I saw them, there are several teams I think are better.

Are Kansas, Georgia, VaTech or Ohio State some of those teams?

I don't think there are any great teams this year. The deserving part is all that matters right now.

MaineRed
12-02-2007, 01:23 AM
That team, whoever it may be, had that SHOT this year. The only reason they were denied that shot, and then dropped down in the BCS rankings, was because they lost (choked) when they needed to win.

Right, you didn't imply we have a de facto play-off. You should contact Chip because someone has your accont info and is posting as you.


There seems to have been alot of teams that didn't "take care of business" this year when they needed to. So why just pick on OSU?

I'm not just picking on OSU. If you read my post you can see I am equally as critical of Kansas and moreso of the system. Under these rules OSU is as deserving as anyone.

GAC
12-02-2007, 01:27 AM
As an Ohio State fan, I would much rather see LSU than Georgia. Heck, the last team I'd want to see is USC, a conference champ and a two loss team. I think they're just as deserving as any other team.

I've watched LSU about 6 times this year, and not once did I ever think I was watching a great team. Are they deserving? Maybe. But based solely on how they looked this year most of the times I saw them, there are several teams I think are better.

Good post MIke. There are a few deserving teams that could be in that game vs OSU along with LSU. But bring on LSU. They are a good team, but their defense is very,very suspect IMO.

My whole contention earlier, which MR seems to be overblowing and getting worked up about, was that I don't see how the BCS can vault LSU, which is 7th in the BCS to begin with, all the way to #2. And I wasn't saying that simply because I am afraid of LSU, and don't want the Bucks to have to face them.

To be honest - USC does scare me though. ;)

GAC
12-02-2007, 01:29 AM
Right, you didn't imply we have a de facto play-off. You should contact Chip because someone has your accont info and is posting as you.

OK. Now you are acting likea troll. I'd like to stay up and play with you longer, but I gotta go to bed. :p:

MaineRed
12-02-2007, 01:33 AM
My whole contention earlier, which MR seems to be overblowing and getting worked up about, was that I don't see how the BCS can vault LSU, which is 7th in the BCS to begin with, all the way to #2.

GAC, if I am getting worked up about someting it isn't that. I was here in this thread questioning how LSU could go all the way to number 2 before you even got here. That wasn't what I was talking about.

This is what I meant about the Chad Johnson analogy. As soon as it is about your team your skin gets very thin and you are actually the one who blows things out of porportion.

I think OSU belongs in the title game. I'm not happy about it because I don't like the system and I would be equally as unhappy if OSU was the one being shut out because I don't think we can say Mizzou or WVU was better than OSU. I did however think they had better one loss resumes. I just wish we didn't have to decide who the top 2 are based on resumes.

MaineRed
12-02-2007, 01:34 AM
OK. Now you are acting likea troll. I'd like to stay up and play with you longer, but I gotta go to bed. :p:

Whatever. I was joking GAC. But you certainly seem to be saying that the other teams are out because they lost a late season game they should have won. That sounds like a de facto play-off to me.

Not sure why pointing this out makes me a troll?

MWM
12-02-2007, 01:38 AM
Good post MIke. There are a few deserving teams that could be in that game vs OSU along with LSU. But bring on LSU. They are a good team, but their defense is very,very suspect IMO.

My whole contention earlier, which MR seems to be overblowing and getting worked up about, was that I don't see how the BCS can vault LSU, which is 7th in the BCS to begin with, all the way to #2. And I wasn't saying that simply because I am afraid of LSU, and don't want the Bucks to have to face them.

To be honest - USC does scare me though. ;)

Yeah, USC would scare the hell out of me. I don't think that would be pretty. And honestly, I want no part of Knowshon Mareno. Of all the contending teams, LSU is the most beatable of the bunch (unless you throw Kansas into the mix as a "contending" team, which I think they aren't). It wouldn't bother me one bit to see LSU in the title game.

Point blank, there isn't a single great team in college football this year. Every single team in the top 10 is capable of beating just about any of the others on any given day. And every one of them is capable of losing to any one of them as well.

This is the strangest season I've ever seen.

OnBaseMachine
12-02-2007, 01:44 AM
TD Hawaii. 21-7.

George Foster
12-02-2007, 01:54 AM
If I read this right the USA poll and the Harris poll is 2/3 rds of the overall BSC ranking.

POLL EXPLANATION & ABOUT THE BCS:
To derive a teamís poll percentages in the Harris Interactive and USA Today polls, each teamís point total is divided by a maximum 2850 possible points in the Harris
Interactive Poll and 1500 possible points in the USA Today Poll. Teams are assigned an inverse point total (25 for No. 1, 24 for No. 2, etc.) for each of their respective
computer poll rankings to determine the overall computer component. The highest and lowest ranking for each team is dropped, and the sum total of the remaining four
rankings is divided by 100 (the maximum possible points). This figure produces a Computer Rankings Percentage. The six computer ranking providers are Anderson &
Hester, Richard Billingsley, Colley Matrix, Kenneth Massey, Jeff Sagarin and Peter Wolfe. Each computer ranking accounts for schedule strength within its formula. The
BCS Average is calculated by averaging the percent totals of the Harris Interactive and USA Today Polls, and Computer rankings. The highest BCS Average receives the
No. 1 ranking, the second highest receives No. 2, and so forth.
The BCS is a five-game arrangement for post-season college football that is managed by the 11 Football Bowl Subdivision (formerly Division I-A) conferences and Notre
Dame. Its purpose is to match the two top-ranked teams in the final BCS standings in a national championship game and to create competitive match-ups in the four
other BCS bowl games. For more information, visit http://www.bcsfootball.org. The No. 1 and No. 2 teams in the Dec. 2 BCS standings will play in the Allstate BCS
National Championship Game Jan. 7, 2008 in New Orleans, La. The winner of the game will be presented the American Football Coaches Association National
Championship Trophy.

KronoRed
12-02-2007, 03:18 AM
This thread needs more Florida Atlantic.

http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/fau/sports/m-footbl/auto_wide/1586406.jpeg

WAR OWL!

GAC
12-02-2007, 06:05 AM
EVERYONE on ESPN is saying it is going to be LSU.

They've been saying that since last August. ESPN (as well as Mark May) has a reputation to preserve :p:

GAC
12-02-2007, 07:10 AM
I was here in this thread questioning how LSU could go all the way to number 2 before you even got here.

Yes, you did say this....


LSU is 7th in the BCS and only two teams in front are going to lose this weekend. They did win but not impressively enough to jump all the way up 5 spots.....I don't think Va Tech at 6 or LSU at 7 have any shot.

But your statements, other then the fact you don't like the current system and want a play-off, are filled with such ambiguity, it makes it appear like you're speaking out of both sides of your mouth.

No one can decipher, by the above two statements, whether you think LSU doesn't deserve to get in, or whether you believe the "system" won't put them in?

More examples of your ambiguity?....


I think OSU belongs in the title game.

Yet when another poster states that OSU deserves to be in the NC game, you then say this....


I don't know how you can claim they are any more deserving than Kansas. They both have one loss and Kansas plays in the tougher league. Neither team played anyone OOC. Kansas has the better loss.

And when another poster suggests a possible matchup between OSU-Kansas, you then say this (after already stating the above)....


Because those are not the best two teams in the country nor the most deserving.

Who are the best two teams in the country? I don't know. And I don't think you have a sure-fire and infallible formula that would give us the answer either.

You're just as confusing as the current BCS system in place. :lol:


This is what I meant about the Chad Johnson analogy. As soon as it is about your team your skin gets very thin and you are actually the one who blows things out of porportion.

Where, on this thread, did I blow things out of proportion concerning OSU? The majority of my statements/discussions weren't even about OSU.

You made this statement earlier, which was very unclear on specifics...


To me a play-off that includes LSU, VaTech, Oklahoma, USC and WVU makes a lot more sense than what we are going to have which is a JOKE.

I didn't see OSU in there, so I simply came back and asked to somehow get some clarification....


What justification do you put forward that leaves OSU out of that scenario? They have 1 loss vs a good Illinois team currently ranked #15 in the nation.

It had nothing to do with being "thin-skinned", blind scarlet loyalty, Chad Johnson, or any of the other ways you have tried to stretch it into. Just a simple question.

I think you just like to play both sides of the coin so you can argue. It doesn't mater who they finally decide which two teams make it because you'll then go off on why they don't deserve to be there. :lol:

By the looks of this season - no one probably deserves to be there.

RANDY IN INDY
12-02-2007, 09:13 AM
I hope Mizzou and WVU both win today to keep tOSU on the outside looking in at the NC.

That, and I've never liked Oklahoma. And Pittsburgh has a snowball's chance in hell at knocking off WVU today.

The snowball did not melt.

I am so happy. Now I don't have to listen to half of my family and friends brag about the Mounties.

Roy Tucker
12-02-2007, 11:08 AM
Jeez, I go to bed with UW beating Hawaii 21-0. Look at ESPN this AM and Hawaii won 35-28.

Just an observation... It seems that through the season, pollsters pretty much go on W-L records and the later the loss, the worse the effect. If a team loses, they get bumped down 5-8 slots. However flawed it might be, at least its predictable. I'd expect OSU to go to #1 under this "rule.

But now, with all the games played, it seems that the criteria is who are the best teams to play in the NC game. Georgia should go according to the way thing worked before. But that doesn't seem .... right.

So now, pollsters will vote for whoever they think is the best team, regardless of when they lost the game and to a certain degree, how many games they lost.

MaineRed
12-02-2007, 11:58 AM
No one can decipher, by the above two statements, whether you think LSU doesn't deserve to get in, or whether you believe the "system" won't put them in?

When I wrote that I was talking about the system not putting them in. They are currently 7th and only two team in front lost. But after some of the talk I actually think LSU has a pretty good shot. I also think they have the best resume of all the teams in the discussion. They pounded VaTech by 37. It might have been in September but it was still this season.


Yet when another poster states that OSU deserves to be in the NC game, you then say this....

And when another poster suggests a possible matchup between OSU-Kansas, you then say this (after already stating the above)....

Who are the best two teams in the country? I don't know. And I don't think you have a sure-fire and infallible formula that would give us the answer either.

You're just as confusing as the current BCS system in place.

Based on the system that has Big Ten Champ and one loss Ohio State as the number 3 team, after what happened, Ohio State does belong in the title game. It is how the system works.

Being deserving is something different IMO. I don't think Ohio State is a better football team than USC, Oklahoma or VaTech. I especially don't believe those teams could even stay on the same field with Kansas. I can say Oklahoma deserves a title shot as much as anyone while also saying they don't belong in the title game under the current system we have.


Where, on this thread, did I blow things out of proportion concerning OSU? The majority of my statements/discussions weren't even about OSU.

I didn't say you only talked about OSU. I said you turn into a the Bengal fans you are debating when it comes to the Buckeyes.


I think you just like to play both sides of the coin so you can argue. It doesn't mater who they finally decide which two teams make it because you'll then go off on why they don't deserve to be there.

Right, because I'm the only one in this thread who has critisms. We have a guy who has a clear bias of LSU making baiting comments about how they'll lose 62-3. We have people saying how happy they that WVU fans had already bought tickets to New Orleans. We have a guy who is hammering Georgia and Kansas about not winning the conference title games. But your right GAC, I'm sure it will be ME who is making the big stink no matter who they pick. It sounds like LSU and all I can say is that if you think nobody is going to ***** about that, you are crazy.

BuckWoody
12-02-2007, 12:42 PM
I just happened to stumble upon this animated .gif of GAC and Maine in the same room:

http://www.picpop.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10538/thumb_cbarguing20ju.gif

:D

Spring~Fields
12-03-2007, 08:53 PM
OSU needs help with recruiting like Bill Gates needs help with his computer.....:D:D

You all are the best.

Hey it is tough out there, little ole Ohio State needs all the help it can get. We could always use several more future all pro's. :D After all last year they were gator bait, and this year they probably will end up some cajun dish.