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BearcatShane
12-01-2007, 02:58 PM
Off the top of my head I would say Oakland, Florida, Atlanta, Seattle, San Francisco, San Diego, and Baltimore would be some of the teams with the most interest in Josh Hamilton.


I wonder if Oakland would go for a Blanton, Duchscherer, and solid prospect for Hamilton and a solid prospect?


I wonder what Florida would think of a D-Train for Hamilton deal straight up? Would you do that? I'd have to give it some serious though?


How about Hamilton for Tim Hudson straight up? Would they go for that?

Hamilton for Noah Lowry and Corriea?


Hamilton, Freel, and Belisle for Eric Bedard?



Thoughts?

Bip Roberts
12-01-2007, 03:15 PM
Id hate to give up Hamilton for Lowry so i probably wouldnt do that

BearcatShane
12-01-2007, 03:19 PM
Id hate to give up Hamilton for Lowry so i probably wouldnt do that




I honestly think I could live with a Hamlton for Lowry trade if it included a solid prospect or a solid reliever like Corriea. What kind of trade would you have in mind? In my opinion the Reds are a pitcher who can go 14-10 with a 3.95 ERA away from October baseball.

Bip Roberts
12-01-2007, 03:22 PM
His away ERA and whip scares me. not to mention his low k/bb ratio

scuba17
12-01-2007, 04:22 PM
Maybe its just me but I think you are severly overrating Hamilton in some of those trade offers.

TN Red Fan
12-01-2007, 04:29 PM
I honestly think I could live with a Hamlton for Lowry trade if it included a solid prospect or a solid reliever like Corriea. What kind of trade would you have in mind? In my opinion the Reds are a pitcher who can go 14-10 with a 3.95 ERA away from October baseball.

How about Hamilton and Ross for Lowry, Molina, and Correia?

BearcatShane
12-01-2007, 05:10 PM
Maybe its just me but I think you are severly overrating Hamilton in some of those trade offers.


Maybe a little bit in the Bedard and Hudson offers but if Josh Hamilton can stay healthy and play 150 games a season he has MVP potential. Look at his numbers in limited time as a rookie when he hadn't even played in over 2 years. The sky is the limit for this kid. The only turn off from other teams is his health.

hippie07
12-01-2007, 05:47 PM
Look what teams are willing to give up for miguel cabrera ... I think a healthy Hamilton could means as much or more to a team, IMO ... I hate to give him up unless the return really benefits us ... I don't know why people constantly undervalue him in trades .... I think Bearcat's proposals are fair

scuba17
12-01-2007, 06:15 PM
Look what teams are willing to give up for miguel cabrera ... I think a healthy Hamilton could means as much or more to a team, IMO ... I hate to give him up unless the return really benefits us ... I don't know why people constantly undervalue him in trades .... I think Bearcat's proposals are fair

Hamilton would mean as much or more to a team as Miguel Cabrera?

AmarilloRed
12-01-2007, 06:16 PM
Texas really needs a centerfielder.

gedred69
12-01-2007, 07:26 PM
Texas really needs a centerfielder.

I'll suppose it again, think they'd give up Wilson? I'd even give 'em a throw-in like Freel maybe. (that way one of 'em could play CF, while the other was on the DL)! :beerme:

Redsnake
12-01-2007, 08:47 PM
I've posted before that I would like too see the Reds go after Lowry. Oh course I didn't want too give up Hamilton or any other prospect with the name Hamilton, Bruce, Cuerto, Bailey, EE and Votto. However, I would use a Stubbs, Bray, Freel or Wood.

757690
12-01-2007, 08:48 PM
Hamilton would mean as much or more to a team as Miguel Cabrera?

If he stays healthy, easily Hamilton is the Reds best player. He also plays better defense than Cabrera. So I would say the short answer to you question is, yes.
Hamilton has the ability to be the best player in the league. Not saying he will be, no one has more raw talent in the NL than Hamilton.

Edit: But in no way is Hamilton worth as much as Cabrera in a trade. Cabrera has already proven it, Hamilton has not.

TN Red Fan
12-01-2007, 09:34 PM
His away ERA and whip scares me. not to mention his low k/bb ratio

His road ERA was 3.97 and while his K's were down last year, he did strike out 172 in '05.

Good thing about Lowry is the HRs allowed, only 12 in 156 innings. That's good news for GABP.

Bip Roberts
12-01-2007, 10:09 PM
His road ERA was 3.97 and while his K's were down last year, he did strike out 172 in '05.

Good thing about Lowry is the HRs allowed, only 12 in 156 innings. That's good news for GABP.

Look at his road ERA the years before.

Plus he pitches in a huge pitchers park and homers dont happen.

TN Red Fan
12-02-2007, 08:25 AM
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TN Red Fan
12-02-2007, 08:40 AM
Look at his road ERA the years before.

Plus he pitches in a huge pitchers park and homers dont happen.

Point noted.

But something has to be said for the improvement last year.

Here's my guess: Last year his ERA on the road was no different than at home, but his BBs were up and his Ks and HRs allowed were down (12 in 156 is a great # regardless of the park). That makes me think he spent most of last year nibbling around the corners, rather than coming right at hitters. Maybe earlier in his career, he was getting too many hittable balls out over the plate.

Point is, if the numbers do indeed point to a change in approach or style, then it's not something to worry about. If it's just a statistical anomoly then I think you have valid concerns. There's really no way to know if my speculation is right without having been there.

ED44
12-02-2007, 04:05 PM
I see that Boston is now willing to give up Ellsbury in a deal for Santana...however, they refuse to package Buchholz or Lester with him.

Would they be satisfied with Crisp in CF or would they go after a Hamilton? He is cheap and would be an offensive upgrade. If they would be interested...could we get a Lester/Buchholz in return?

I would like to get a more established starter, but just a thought since we were talking about teams that may be interested.

Bip Roberts
12-02-2007, 04:08 PM
Yankees offer is loads better than what ever Boston is throwing out there now.

757690
12-02-2007, 05:09 PM
I see that Boston is now willing to give up Ellsbury in a deal for Santana...however, they refuse to package Buchholz or Lester with him.

Would they be satisfied with Crisp in CF or would they go after a Hamilton? He is cheap and would be an offensive upgrade. If they would be interested...could we get a Lester/Buchholz in return?

I would like to get a more established starter, but just a thought since we were talking about teams that may be interested.

Nice thinking, but I am pretty sure the Red Sox would be happy with Crisp, if for just his defense and speed.

zjr1717
12-02-2007, 07:11 PM
It would probably be a better idea to look at teams who need a corner outfielder. Hamilton profiles better in right because of his great arm and his lack of great range/speed in center.

bianchiveloce
12-03-2007, 12:26 AM
Baltimore could use a centerfielder and Baltimore's GM Andy MacPhail seems ready to blow up the the team he took over last June.

I would offer Hamilton in a package with others to get Erik Bedard. Bedard had a good groundball percentage of 47.9% in 2007 to go along with an awesome Strikout rate of 11.7/G. Bedard will also be entering his age 29 season so he still has some very productive years remaining that would fit nicely with Harang, Arroyo, Bailey, and Cueto. I'd include with Hamilton just about anybody else that could get this deal done for the Reds.

TN Red Fan
12-03-2007, 09:30 AM
One of the reasons the Orioles are looking to move Bedard is because they don't think they can get together on a contract extension with him. He has 2 years left, I think.

Anyway, Bedard will probably make $15-$18 mil/year, which isn't as much as Santana's looking for, but it ain't chump change, either.

Just something to keep in mind.

TN Red Fan
12-03-2007, 10:23 AM
Here's something more on the Erik Bedard front:


Erik Bedard, LHSP--Baltimore Orioles: The Orioles want to sign him to a 3-year or 4-year, $50M-60Mish contract extension, which would buyout at least one year of free agency. However, he has no interest in staying long-term in Baltimore. As a result, the Orioles are listening to trade offers. The Yankees, Mets, Mariners Angels and Dodgers are interested. However, the Orioles are said to be seeking for more talent in exchange for him than the Twins are seeking in exchange for Johan Santana.

This isn't good news for the idea of the Reds getting him. Based on the Santana rumors, I'd say it's going to cost us Hamilton + Bailey/Cueto to land Bedard.

That's just too much in my book. I'd turn your attention to Dan Haren.