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dougdirt
12-03-2007, 12:31 PM
Vote for the player who you think is the Reds #12 prospect (the best prospect who is not yet on the list). We will go with this as far as you guys want to take it.

I will post a new list every 2 days with 10-15 options to vote on.

If you feel like making an argument on why a guy should be voted here, feel free to vote and state why you voted for that player.

If there is someone that is not currently listed as an option to vote on, vote for 'other' then just state who you want to vote for in the thread.

If there is anyone you would like to see as an option on the next poll, just say so and if they garner enough support, they will be placed on the next poll. Guys with the lowest amount of votes will usually be removed for the next few guys who were talked about in the previous thread.


Prospect 1 - Jay Bruce
Prospect 2 - Homer Bailey
Prospect 3 - Johnny Cueto
Prospect 4 - Joey Votto
Prospect 5 - Todd Frazier
Prospect 6 - Drew Stubbs
Prospect 7 - Matt Maloney
Prospect 8 - Josh Roenicke
Prospect 9 - Travis Wood
Prospect 10 - Devin Mesoraco
Prospect 11 - Kyle Lotzkar

WMR
12-03-2007, 12:44 PM
Carlos Fisher in the HOUSE

camisadelgolf
12-03-2007, 12:45 PM
LVL PO AG NAME AB HR AVG OBP SLG SB
AAA OF 25 Chris Dickerson 1853 47 255 355 403 109
AA OF 23 Danny Dorn 634 28 309 401 524 7
A 3B 20 Juan Francisco 752 28 274 303 463 16
AA OF 22 Sean Henry 1079 28 278 349 441 74
AA 3B 24 Adam Rosales 1121 40 285 368 492 26
GCL 3B 18 Neftali Soto 152 2 303 355 454 2
A+ 2B 23 Justin Turner 717 16 317 383 460 24
A+ 2B 22 Chris Valaika 792 20 298 353 458 3
A 3B 21 Brandon Waring 268 20 313 372 616 1

LVL POS AG NAME IP BB K ERA WHIP
AA RHSP 24 Carlos Fisher 358.0 106 302 3.39 1.27
AA RHRP 25 Carlos Guevara 297.1 105 384 2.91 1.20
AA RHSP 23 Sam LeCure 298.1 107 271 3.65 1.34
AAA LHRP 24 Tyler Pelland 494.0 268 462 4.08 1.53
A+ RHSP 22 Daryl Thompson 356.2 107 290 3.66 1.28
AA LHRP 24 Pedro Viola 82.1 30 94 1.42 1.03
A+ RHSP 22 Sean Watson 165.1 44 170 3.59 1.17

I'm going with Sean Watson, and it was an easy choice for me.

*BaseClogger*
12-03-2007, 12:56 PM
Carlos Fisher because of his mound presence:D

REDblooded
12-03-2007, 02:20 PM
Juan Francisco.....based on upside.

dougdirt
12-03-2007, 02:30 PM
Currently a 4 way tie between Watson, Francisco, Dorn and Fisher.

RedsManRick
12-03-2007, 02:34 PM
.300/.400/.500 in his minor league career at age appropriate levels.

Kc61
12-03-2007, 02:41 PM
Fisher throws ground balls, which is great, and in time he could turn out as a back-of-rotation guy in the major leagues, but in terms of starting pitchers I think Watson and Thompson would be higher on my list. I also think Pelland and Viola are worthy of consideration for the top 20.

My own opinion is that Fisher belongs in the 20-25 range. He'll turn 25 before next season. He had a 1.49 WHIP at AA. He easily mastered both low and high A levels, but he had a lot of AA innings and was quite hittable.

Doug, you might consider Jordan Smith, Marcus Macbeth and Rafael Gonzalez for the next round.

dougdirt
12-03-2007, 02:43 PM
I don't see Fisher in the top twenty, perhaps in the 20-25 range. He'll be 25 before next season starts and he had a 1.49 WHIP at AA. He easily mastered both low and high A levels, but he had a lot of AA innings and was quite hittable.

He throws ground balls, which is great, and in time he could turn out as a back-of-rotation guy in the major leagues, but in terms of starting pitchers I think Watson and Thompson would be higher on my list.

In his defense, he had made comments about having a tired arm after 5 or 6 starts in AA and he just kept on pitching. I don't have him this high right now, but he has pretty solid stuff.

Kc61
12-03-2007, 02:47 PM
In his defense, he had made comments about having a tired arm after 5 or 6 starts in AA and he just kept on pitching. I don't have him this high right now, but he has pretty solid stuff.


I will say, to his credit, that early last season the guy seemed like a possible top ten prospect. He was lights out early. But when a starter has this much trouble with AA, he has a lot to prove.

Hope Fisher does have a great '08 because he is the kind of pitcher who could succeed in GABP and other cozy environs.

Also, Lecure's numbers at AA were quite good. He also falls in this group and may compare favorably to some of the others. I think he is top twenty in the system.

GoReds33
12-03-2007, 04:50 PM
Once again I went with Waring. I just personally don't see the potential of some of these guys. I hope I'm wrong.

dougdirt
12-03-2007, 05:03 PM
Doug, you might consider Jordan Smith, Marcus Macbeth and Rafael Gonzalez for the next round.

Quoting this just so I don't miss it while making the next poll. :thumbup:

dougdirt
12-03-2007, 05:04 PM
Once again I went with Waring. I just personally don't see the potential of some of these guys. I hope I'm wrong.

Like who? I am sure some of us have plenty of information on these guys to maybe give some insight to these players potential.

BoydsOfSummer
12-03-2007, 05:21 PM
I can't take the pressure anymore: Dan Dorn.

zjr1717
12-03-2007, 06:37 PM
When you look at this list you have to be impressed with how deep the Reds farm system has become, a few years back some of these guys would have been in the 5-10 spots, now some of those same guys might not crack the top 20.

mth123
12-03-2007, 06:55 PM
At this point I have no real problem with Dorn, Fisher or Watson as the choice, but I continue to go with Rosales who I think has the highest floor of the group. The bar for a supersub is lower than for a starting pitcher or corner OF and I think Rosales is most likely to be a plus in his eventual role.

gedred69
12-03-2007, 07:55 PM
I can't take the pressure anymore: Dan Dorn.

Ahhh, someone agrees with me.

GoReds33
12-03-2007, 08:17 PM
Like who? I am sure some of us have plenty of information on these guys to maybe give some insight to these players potential.Okay. One guy that I have no clue why people like is Carlos Fisher. He had borderline good numbers last year. He only struck out 135 in 154 IP. Strikeouts are a key area when I evaluate a player. He gives up more than a hit per inning. Another part is that the opposition hit .273 off him last year. I just don't see too much potential there, or atleast not as much as I see in Waring.

If you voted for him, please tell me why. Thanks.

dougdirt
12-03-2007, 08:24 PM
Okay. One guy that I have no clue why people like is Carlos Fisher. He had borderline good numbers last year. He only struck out 135 in 154 IP. Strikeouts are a key area when I evaluate a player. He gives up more than a hit per inning. Another part is that the opposition hit .273 off him last year. I just don't see too much potential there, or atleast not as much as I see in Waring.

If you voted for him, please tell me why. Thanks.

I didn't vote for him, but he has a fastball in the 90-94 range and a very good sinkerball that gets a solid number of groundballs. For a sinkerball pitcher, he actually gets a high number of strikeouts. His size is very projectable and while he seems 'old' he didn't start pitching until he was 21 and a senior in college, so his arm is actually young.

His numbers in AA were very good through 7 starts, then he began talking about having a tired arm and then his numbers went into a decline. It will be interesting to see how he rebounds next year.

AmarilloRed
12-03-2007, 08:45 PM
Fisher throws ground balls, which is great, and in time he could turn out as a back-of-rotation guy in the major leagues, but in terms of starting pitchers I think Watson and Thompson would be higher on my list. I also think Pelland and Viola are worthy of consideration for the top 20.

My own opinion is that Fisher belongs in the 20-25 range. He'll turn 25 before next season. He had a 1.49 WHIP at AA. He easily mastered both low and high A levels, but he had a lot of AA innings and was quite hittable.

Doug, you might consider Jordan Smith, Marcus Macbeth and Rafael Gonzalez for the next round.

Is Marcus McBeth still a prospect? He spent some time in Cincinnati last year.

camisadelgolf
12-04-2007, 02:54 AM
Is Marcus McBeth still a prospect? He spent some time in Cincinnati last year.

He still qualifies as a rookie, so yes.

Ron Madden
12-04-2007, 03:24 AM
It may seem silly to some, that I keep voting for Sam LeCure.

Well, it seems no more silly to me than Devin Mesoraco being voted into the top ten.


It's more of what we hope will happen than what will actually happen at this point.

icehole3
12-04-2007, 04:36 AM
Waring 20 homers in under 270 at bats sticks out

Danny Serafini
12-04-2007, 09:06 AM
I'm glad it looks like Dorn will take this one, I can finally start voting for someone else.

dougdirt
12-04-2007, 12:08 PM
I'm glad it looks like Dorn will take this one, I can finally start voting for someone else.

It was close early, but he took off after about 45 votes were in.

kheidg-
12-04-2007, 03:28 PM
I'm glad it looks like Dorn will take this one, I can finally start voting for someone else.

Pelland needs to win once so I can do the same.

Kc61
12-04-2007, 05:13 PM
While I am an avowed Francisco voter here, it is interesting to compare a group of starters -- above low-A -- who seem to be in the same general prospect tier. These are Lecure, Thompson, Watson, and Fisher. I'm leaving out Jordan Smith and Rafael Gonzalez who haven't gone above the Dayton level.

Lecure has the best results at the highest level, AA. Watson has the biggest frame, but may be a reliever eventually and struggled at High-A. Fisher didn't do very well at AA, but he has the ground ball knack. Thompson did well at High-A and is the youngest.

I think they are relatively close. I'd probably go with Watson, Lecure, Thompson, and Fisher as the order, but they are certainly bunched. Watson has the frame, apparently throws the hardest, and is relatively young for the group. Lecure and Thompson have had success, with Lecure's at the higher level. Fisher had problems at AA, so for now I'd put him fourth. But it could flip flop completely next year depending on how they do.

gedred69
12-04-2007, 08:26 PM
I'm glad it looks like Dorn will take this one, I can finally start voting for someone else.

Amen! Amen! Amen!

Screwball
12-05-2007, 12:28 AM
I'm glad it looks like Dorn will take this one, I can finally start voting for someone else.

Ain't that the truth.:beerme:

BuckeyeRedleg
12-05-2007, 10:47 AM
At this point I have no real problem with Dorn, Fisher or Watson as the choice, but I continue to go with Rosales who I think has the highest floor of the group. The bar for a supersub is lower than for a starting pitcher or corner OF and I think Rosales is most likely to be a plus in his eventual role.

I see Rosales being the next Keppinger in a few years.