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AdamDunn
12-03-2007, 07:57 PM
7:12 p.m., from Jerry Crasnick
The Reds need pitching, but they don't have a lot of money left after signing closer Francisco Cordero to a five-year deal. So Cincinnati is talking trade with a bunch of teams here in Nashville and using some of its young position players as bait for a starter. Jay Bruce is out of the question, and Joey Votto would be tough to get, but the Reds are listening on third baseman Edwin Encarnacion and center fielder Josh Hamilton. The Cubs are a natural fit for Hamilton, but Sean Marshall isn't likely to get it done. One possible fit for Encarnacion: the Giants, who may need a third baseman if incumbent Pedro Feliz declines the team's salary arbitration offer.

Edwin and Hamilton traded away, I can live with that if we get good return!

Bip Roberts
12-03-2007, 08:01 PM
Trading Hamilton to the cubs would be the worst idea ever.

GoReds33
12-03-2007, 08:09 PM
Hamilton is a future stud. Don't trade him. He is one of the five best prospects in this organization. Yes, I still consider him a prospect, because last year was his first year back in a long time.

UPRedsFan
12-03-2007, 08:20 PM
Hamilton and EE can be easily replaced short term and long term. Bruce/Hopper can play center and Cantu/Keppinger can handle third.

Trade both if it nets a #2 starter!

AmarilloRed
12-03-2007, 08:28 PM
I would trade Hamilton to the Cubs if they gave up Rich Hill.

mlbfan30
12-03-2007, 08:45 PM
Yeah. Rich Hill for Hamilton is very good. Hill does give up some HR's but he should be entering his prime and can have a 4.00 ERA and 1.20 WHIP and almost a K per inning pitched

HokieRed
12-03-2007, 09:05 PM
No way I trade Hamilton in the division.

Natty Redlocks
12-03-2007, 09:16 PM
No way I trade Hamilton in the division.

That's gutless. As a gm, it's your job to make your team better, not wring your hands over how you may be helping some other team in the process. A pitcher like Hill would be far more valuable to the Reds than Hamilton is.

NorrisHopper30
12-03-2007, 10:27 PM
No way I trade Hamilton in the division.

I thought about this at first, but if we get Hill for Hamilton, the division should be won outright by the Reds. That would leave the Cubs with a terrible rotation behind Zambrano.

My head tells me to do Hamilton for Hill

My heart tells me otherwise, because i've got this feeling that Hamilton is gonna be a big time player.

*BaseClogger*
12-03-2007, 10:29 PM
...Would any of you have the same problem of trading Hamilton in the division if it was to say the Pirates? Like I don't know.... Hamilton for Ian Snell?

muethibp
12-03-2007, 10:43 PM
...Would any of you have the same problem of trading Hamilton in the division if it was to say the Pirates? Like I don't know.... Hamilton for Ian Snell?

Do you say anything that doesn't involve Ian Snell?

*BaseClogger*
12-03-2007, 10:44 PM
Do you say anything that doesn't involve Ian Snell?

I have a man crush

NorrisHopper30
12-03-2007, 10:44 PM
I'd love to have Snell, but I don't know if i'd give Hamilton for him.

He's mid 20s, gets 200+ innings and a sub 4 era.

*BaseClogger*
12-03-2007, 10:45 PM
I'd love to have Snell, but I don't know if i'd give Hamilton for him.

He's mid 20s, gets 200+ innings and a sub 4 era.

But you'd do Hill? Snell and Hill are extremely similar statistically...

NorrisHopper30
12-03-2007, 10:48 PM
But you'd do Hill? Snell and Hill are extremely similar statistically...
This may sound picky, but mainly because Hill is a lefty.

ChatterRed
12-03-2007, 11:06 PM
Ian Snell! Ian Snell!!!!!

(yawn)

AmarilloRed
12-03-2007, 11:47 PM
I think the Reds are determined to leave Nashville with a good starter, even if the cost is Edwin and Hamilton to another team.

jmac
12-04-2007, 12:00 AM
I think the Reds are determined to leave Nashville with a good starter, even if the cost is Edwin and Hamilton to another team.
I tend to agree with you. While some,myself included arent elated about Tomko , somehow I think WK has sights set higher.Not that he wont sign a lesser type pitcher also but I too expect a good one thru a trade.

durl
12-04-2007, 08:55 AM
Hamilton and EE can be easily replaced short term and long term. Bruce/Hopper can play center and Cantu/Keppinger can handle third.

Trade both if it nets a #2 starter!

Call me naive here, but I don't see Hamilton as someone that can be easily replaced. I say that because he put up very good numbers at the plate for a guy who'd been out of baseball for 4 years. His potential seems incredibly high. Also, he seems like he plays good defense and he has an absolute CANNON for an arm.

He could easily be a 40 HR/100 RBI guy for the Reds. Sure, those can be had in the majors but not at such a low price. Injuries are a mild concern (I'm not concerned about him relapsing back into drugs) but I see tons of potential.

I guess this is the game that GMs have to play. Decide who to keep and who to trade. You've got to give away talent you have in order to get talent you need.

REDblooded
12-04-2007, 10:27 AM
I for one WOULD like to chant "Oooo Oooo That Snell" every time Ian took the mound.

AdamDunn
12-04-2007, 10:28 AM
How about Hamilton and EE for Lincecum if Pedro Feliz doesn't accept arbitration?

Dracodave
12-04-2007, 10:32 AM
How about Hamilton and EE for Lincecum if Pedro Feliz doesn't accept arbitration?

EdE plus Maloney or just Hamilton The Giants have too many holes to fill and can't be too greedy. I'd give them all three plus Janish or any other prospect for Cain and Lincecum

ChatterRed
12-04-2007, 11:33 AM
Lincecum doesn't sound like he's going anywhere. If I were the Giants, I would trade niether Lincecum or Cain.

AdamDunn
12-04-2007, 01:48 PM
Lincecum doesn't sound like he's going anywhere. If I were the Giants, I would trade niether Lincecum or Cain.


"They'll trade him," a Cincinnati Reds official said. "They have to."

From http://www.mercurynews.com/giants/ci_7630242

Just saying.

AmarilloRed
12-04-2007, 10:39 PM
9:52 p.m., from Jerry Crasnick
• The Cubs don't have much hope of prying loose center fielder Josh Hamilton from Cincinnati. The Reds are willing to trade Hamilton, but they would prefer not to deal him to another club in the National League Central.

We can forget about trading Hamilton to the Cubs for one of their starters.

hippie07
12-04-2007, 10:51 PM
9:52 p.m., from Jerry Crasnick
The Cubs don't have much hope of prying loose center fielder Josh Hamilton from Cincinnati. The Reds are willing to trade Hamilton, but they would prefer not to deal him to another club in the National League Central.

We can forget about trading Hamilton to the Cubs for one of their starters.

I don't think that was ever really an option

ChatterRed
12-04-2007, 11:51 PM
From http://www.mercurynews.com/giants/ci_7630242

Just saying.

Why do they have to? That makes no sense at all.

Why? Because they need more offense?

I'd love to hear the explanation of why they have to.

hippie07
12-05-2007, 12:00 AM
Why do they have to? That makes no sense at all.

Why? Because they need more offense?

I'd love to hear the explanation of why they have to.

Maybe they have to because the Reds are giving them an "offer they can't refuse......"

schmidty622
12-05-2007, 12:29 AM
yeah because of offense. I cant name a starter on their offense that i would want right now. Bengie Molina? Rich Aurillia? Pedro Feliz? Nope. They need to make the trade.

Jay Bruce
12-05-2007, 12:42 AM
Why do they have to? That makes no sense at all.

Why? Because they need more offense?

I'd love to hear the explanation of why they have to.

Last year, the Giants scored the second least amount of runs in the National League. In addition, they will be losing Barry Bonds, the only true threat in their lineup, with no players ready to step up from the minor leagues, and no one in free agency who can come close to matching Bond's numbers from last season. As it stands right now, this looks like a team that will have trouble scoring much more 600 runs next year.

Apparently, the Giants have also let it be known that they are in the market for a young, impact bat. The only two players the Giants have that could net them any of the young offensive players they desire would be Cain and Lincecum.

The Giants don't have to trade either of them, but would likely have to if they want to substantially improve the offense.