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dougdirt
12-05-2007, 02:18 PM
Vote for the player who you think is the Reds #13 prospect (the best prospect who is not yet on the list). We will go with this as far as you guys want to take it.

I will post a new list every 2 days with 10-15 options to vote on.

If you feel like making an argument on why a guy should be voted here, feel free to vote and state why you voted for that player.

If there is someone that is not currently listed as an option to vote on, vote for 'other' then just state who you want to vote for in the thread.

If there is anyone you would like to see as an option on the next poll, just say so and if they garner enough support, they will be placed on the next poll. Guys with the lowest amount of votes will usually be removed for the next few guys who were talked about in the previous thread.


Prospect 1 - Jay Bruce
Prospect 2 - Homer Bailey
Prospect 3 - Johnny Cueto
Prospect 4 - Joey Votto
Prospect 5 - Todd Frazier
Prospect 6 - Drew Stubbs
Prospect 7 - Matt Maloney
Prospect 8 - Josh Roenicke
Prospect 9 - Travis Wood
Prospect 10 - Devin Mesoraco
Prospect 11 - Kyle Lotzkar
Prospect 12 - Danny Dorn

camisadelgolf
12-05-2007, 02:37 PM
I'm going with Sean Watson again. If he makes it, can Alex Smit go on the next ballot?

kheidg-
12-05-2007, 03:28 PM
Gotta go with Marcus McBeth

REDblooded
12-05-2007, 03:28 PM
Juan Francisco again........ such upside!

camisadelgolf
12-05-2007, 03:31 PM
Gotta go with Marcus McBeth

Despite the small sample size, I think his ERA is going to scare away some people. Still, I think he's very underrated.

Joseph
12-05-2007, 03:45 PM
Sean Watson again.

Triples
12-05-2007, 03:47 PM
Despite the small sample size, I think his ERA is going to scare away some people. Still, I think he's very underrated.

I've waited long enough and can't any longer. My write in candidate is Drew Anderson. 2b in AA last year. He had a great year in Sarasota in 06 and did very well in AA in the second half that year. Last year he started out very strong and went into a protracted slump created partly by a dislocated rib that wasn't diagnosed for a month. His extra base hit numbers are as good or better than a number of the guys on this list, he has speed, switch hits, can play 6 positions and committed 14 errors in 128 games. All he has to do is reduce his strike outs and put the ball in play and he'll be talked about as a prospect.

RedsManRick
12-05-2007, 04:06 PM
I went with Pedro Viola. At this point, all the guys remaining have warts of some kind. Be it Fransisco's horrible plate discipline, Waston's step back in the FSL of all places, or McBeth's age.

Viola is a bit old, yes. But in his first crack at the US professional leagues, he put up this line:

82.1 IP, 1.43 ERA, 55 H, 30 BB, 94 SO, 5 HR -- finishing the season in AA.

Oh yeah, he's a lefty. I know virtually nothing about him, but if he starts off hot this year, he's going to find himself on a lot of radars very quickly. That said if the reports on Pelland are true, he might be 2nd in line.

Highlifeman21
12-05-2007, 04:12 PM
I've been voting Chris Dickerson each time since the poll for #9.

Eventually the group will agree with me.

camisadelgolf
12-05-2007, 04:32 PM
I've waited long enough and can't any longer. My write in candidate is Drew Anderson. 2b in AA last year. He had a great year in Sarasota in 06 and did very well in AA in the second half that year. Last year he started out very strong and went into a protracted slump created partly by a dislocated rib that wasn't diagnosed for a month. His extra base hit numbers are as good or better than a number of the guys on this list, he has speed, switch hits, can play 6 positions and committed 14 errors in 128 games. All he has to do is reduce his strike outs and put the ball in play and he'll be talked about as a prospect.

I like Justin Turner over Drew Anderson. Actually, I might even like Michael Griffin over Drew Anderson.

BuckeyeRedleg
12-05-2007, 05:31 PM
At some point Tatum has to make the ballot, right?

11larkin11
12-05-2007, 05:35 PM
Hey Doug, what about Scott Carroll for the next ballot?

Kc61
12-05-2007, 05:37 PM
I agree, Tatum should be on the ballot. He had a good season.

Francisco's age/performance combo at low-A makes him a solid candidate here, even though he needs to improve plate discipline. Great power numbers for 20 year old in A ball.

He hit 25 homers, 90 ribbies, and .268. And that's with all the strikeouts and few walks. Very good production, could be awesome.

dougdirt
12-05-2007, 05:37 PM
At some point Tatum has to make the ballot, right?


Hey Doug, what about Scott Carroll for the next ballot?

Both will be on.

gedred69
12-05-2007, 08:44 PM
Since Dorn FINALLY made the list, and I can vote for somebody else, (I'm plagarizing another poster) I voted for Waring. Might want to add Bartles to your poll though, he was a bit of a surprise gem.

Redman15
12-05-2007, 09:01 PM
I'm going again with a player that has produced on the field. I voted Turner based on his numbers for all middle infield prospects.


PO AG NAME AB HR AVG OBP SLG SB
2B 27 Luis Bolivar 2208 37 269 321 398 109
SS 25 Paul Janish 1384 25 263 355 381 32
2B 24 Drew Anderson 1634 25 259 327 400 49
?? 24 Michael Griffin 1140 18 285 327 412 28
SS 21 Jose Castro 810 2 262 320 309 14
2B 24 Michael Dejesus 965 8 251 368 315 25
2B 23 Justin Turner 717 16 317 383 460 24
2B 22 Chris Valaika 792 20 298 353 458 3
SS 22 Zach Cozart 184 2 239 288 332 3
SS 18 Neftali Soto 152 2 303 355 454 2

gedred69
12-05-2007, 09:23 PM
I'm going again with a player that has produced on the field. I voted Turner based on his numbers for all middle infield prospects.


PO AG NAME AB HR AVG OBP SLG SB
2B 27 Luis Bolivar 2208 37 269 321 398 109
SS 25 Paul Janish 1384 25 263 355 381 32
2B 24 Drew Anderson 1634 25 259 327 400 49
?? 24 Michael Griffin 1140 18 285 327 412 28
SS 21 Jose Castro 810 2 262 320 309 14
2B 24 Michael Dejesus 965 8 251 368 315 25
2B 23 Justin Turner 717 16 317 383 460 24
2B 22 Chris Valaika 792 20 298 353 458 3
SS 22 Zach Cozart 184 2 239 288 332 3
SS 18 Neftali Soto 152 2 303 355 454 2

Solid point. Last year though at ST, every game I was at, Janish either started or played, this during the mid period when the #1's play a lot more, focusing on getting serious ready. I got the impression the Reds saw something in him.

*BaseClogger*
12-05-2007, 09:26 PM
I voted Carlos Fisher and would much rather see Sean Watson than Francisco...

GoReds33
12-05-2007, 10:01 PM
Yet again I voted for Waring. Again I use the excuse that he has tremendous potential. Here's hoping he wins sometime soon.

Danny Serafini
12-05-2007, 10:31 PM
I really want to vote for Waring, I just haven't been able to pull the trigger yet. Maybe in a round or two.

AmarilloRed
12-05-2007, 10:53 PM
I went with Carlos Fisher this time.

Kc61
12-06-2007, 01:31 PM
Based on his AA numbers it's hard for me to understand people choosing Fisher at this stage. Maybe some folks could explain their thinking.

camisadelgolf
12-06-2007, 01:59 PM
Based on his AA numbers it's hard for me to understand people choosing Fisher at this stage. Maybe some folks could explain their thinking.

Some people think his struggles in AA can be attributed to fatigue. He was simply dominant when he started the year, but he battled inconsistency thereafter.

Kc61
12-06-2007, 02:43 PM
Some people think his struggles in AA can be attributed to fatigue. He was simply dominant when he started the year, but he battled inconsistency thereafter.

I think he'll be 25 before next season starts so he needs to do well at AA and advance soon. Personally, I think he is in a lower range on the prospects list.

dougdirt
12-06-2007, 02:50 PM
I think he'll be 25 before next season starts so he needs to do well at AA and advance soon. Personally, I think he is in a lower range on the prospects list.

He didn't pitch until he was 21 and a senior in college when he began pitching full time. He looks old, but has a young arm.

chicoruiz
12-06-2007, 03:31 PM
I'm giving myself carpal tunnel syndrome voting for Rosales every round....

dougdirt
12-06-2007, 03:37 PM
I'm giving myself carpal tunnel syndrome voting for Rosales every round....

stuffing the ballot box huh?:p:

stormyfan25
12-06-2007, 05:17 PM
If you put alex smitt on this list i will never respect the information on this site ever again. That kid is terrible. I doubt if the reds will even keep him around.

stormyfan25
12-06-2007, 05:18 PM
Can you please put the rest of the top 40 prospects from Doug's list onto the poll? Thank you

camisadelgolf
12-06-2007, 05:20 PM
If you put alex smitt on this list i will never respect the information on this site ever again. That kid is terrible. I doubt if the reds will even keep him around.

Wow, that's some great input.

Homer Bailey

Year Age Tm Lg Lvl Aff W L W-L% G GS CG SHO GF SV IP H R ER HR BB SO HBP WP BFP IBB BK ERA WHIP
+----+----+---+---+---+---+---+---+-----+----+---+---+---+---+---+------+----+----+----+---+----+----+---+---+-----+---+---+------+-----+
2004 18 RDS GCL Rk CIN 0 1 .000 6 3 0 0 12 14 7 6 3 9 4.50 1.42
2005 19 DTN MWL A CIN 8 4 .667 28 21 0 0 1 0 103.2 89 64 51 5 62 125 3 11 458 0 5 4.43 1.46
2006 20 TOT 26 26 0 0 0 0 139 99 48 38 7 50 156 7 7 567 0 2.46 1.07
SAR FSL A+ CIN 13 13 0 0 0 0 71 49 35 26 6 22 79 5 2 290 0 3.30 1.00
CNG SOU AA CIN 13 13 0 0 0 0 68 50 13 12 1 28 77 2 5 277 0 1.59 1.15
2007 21 TOT 6 4 .600 14 14 0 0 0 0 75.1 64 38 32 6 37 66 0 4 322 0 1 3.82 1.34
SAR FSL A+ CIN 0 1 .000 2 2 0 0 0 0 8 15 9 9 2 5 7 0 0 44 0 0 10.13 2.50
LOU INT AAA CIN 6 3 .667 12 12 0 0 0 0 67.1 49 29 23 4 32 59 0 4 278 0 1 3.07 1.20
+----+----+---+---+---+---+---+---+-----+----+---+---+---+---+---+------+----+----+----+---+----+----+---+---+-----+---+---+------+-----+
1 Season Rk 0 1 .000 6 3 0 0 12 14 7 6 3 9 4.50 1.42
1 Season A 8 4 .667 28 21 0 0 1 0 103.2 89 64 51 5 62 125 3 11 458 0 5 4.43 1.46
2 Seasons A+ 0 1 .000 15 15 0 0 0 0 79 64 44 35 8 27 86 5 2 334 0 0 3.99 1.15
1 Season AA 13 13 0 0 0 0 68 50 13 12 1 28 77 2 5 277 0 1.59 1.15
1 Season AAA 6 3 .667 12 12 0 0 0 0 67.1 49 29 23 4 32 59 0 4 278 0 1 3.07 1.20
+-----------------+---+-------+---+-----+----+---+---+---+---+---+------+----+----+----+---+----+----+---+---+-----+---+---+------+-----+
4 Seasons 14 9 .609 74 64 0 0 1 0 330 266 157 127 18 152 356 10 22 1347 0 6 3.46 1.27

Alex Smit

Year Age Tm Lg Lvl Aff W L W-L% G GS CG SHO GF SV IP H R ER HR BB SO HBP WP BFP IBB BK ERA WHIP
+----+----+---+---+---+---+---+---+-----+----+---+---+---+---+---+------+----+----+----+---+----+----+---+---+-----+---+---+------+-----+
2003 17 TWI GCL Rk MIN 3 0 1.000 8 7 0 0 38 19 8 5 20 40 1.18 1.03
2004 18 ELZ APP Rk MIN 1 1 .500 6 5 0 0 28 25 9 8 10 43 2.57 1.25
2005 19 TOT 7 10 .412 35 10 0 0 8 3 95.1 83 53 43 12 40 140 2 12 412 1 1 4.06 1.29
ELZ APP Rk MIN 6 1 .857 21 0 0 0 7 3 45.2 25 12 10 3 12 86 1 7 174 0 1 1.97 0.81
BLT MWL A MIN 1 9 .100 14 10 0 0 1 0 49.2 58 41 33 9 28 54 1 5 238 1 0 5.98 1.73
2006 20 BLT MWL A MIN 34 13 0 0 5 0 108 77 48 36 6 53 141 1 7 449 1 3.00 1.20
2007 21 TOT 3 8 .273 27 16 0 0 5 1 90.1 93 57 43 5 42 76 4 1 403 2 0 4.28 1.49
DTN MWL A CIN 2 2 .500 5 5 0 0 0 0 22.2 19 7 3 1 8 19 1 0 92 1 0 1.19 1.19
FTM FSL A+ MIN 1 4 .200 18 8 0 0 5 1 50.2 62 40 33 4 26 38 2 1 240 1 0 5.86 1.74
SAR FSL A+ CIN 0 2 .000 4 3 0 0 0 0 17 12 10 7 0 8 19 1 0 71 0 0 3.71 1.18
+----+----+---+---+---+---+---+---+-----+----+---+---+---+---+---+------+----+----+----+---+----+----+---+---+-----+---+---+------+-----+
3 Seasons Rk 10 2 .833 35 12 0 0 7 3 111.2 69 29 23 3 42 169 1 7 174 0 1 1.85 0.99
3 Seasons A 3 11 .214 53 28 0 0 6 0 180.1 154 96 72 16 89 214 3 12 779 2 1 3.59 1.35
1 Season A+ 1 6 .143 22 11 0 0 5 1 67.2 74 50 40 4 34 57 3 1 311 1 0 5.32 1.60
+-----------------+---+-------+---+-----+----+---+---+---+---+---+------+----+----+----+---+----+----+---+---+-----+---+---+------+-----+
5 Seasons 14 19 .424 110 51 0 0 18 4 359.2 297 175 135 23 165 440 7 20 1264 3 2 3.38 1.28

stormyfan25
12-06-2007, 05:33 PM
the kid used to be good. he used to throw hard. now he throws anywhere from 80-87 but can touch 91 or 92 like twice a game. he's a waste of money if keep him around on the 40 man, theres a reason he hasnt gone above A+ ball in 5 years.

dougdirt
12-06-2007, 05:44 PM
If you put alex smitt on this list i will never respect the information on this site ever again. That kid is terrible. I doubt if the reds will even keep him around.

I dont know if he is terrible, I question whether he is healthy though or if something changed in his mechanics though because he doesn't throw nearly as hard as he once did.

stormyfan25
12-06-2007, 05:49 PM
i agree. he never looks healthy. so why waste their money and space on him? could you please post the rest of the top 40 into the poll please?

dougdirt
12-06-2007, 06:02 PM
i agree. he never looks healthy. so why waste their money and space on him? could you please post the rest of the top 40 into the poll please?

Right now I am just taking individual requests, but it has gotten to the point that some guys arent getting votes so next time around I plan on having a few guys come off and adding a few new guys. I don't want there to be more than 20 options, and there is always the 'other' vote if someone isn't there that you want to vote for.

mlbfan30
12-06-2007, 06:17 PM
Make sure to take out Carlos Guevara. He hasn't been a Red in a long time.

Cyclone792
12-06-2007, 06:55 PM
I've lost track of how many polls I've now voted for Carlos Fisher.

Anyway, he's one of my picks to have a breakout season in 2008.

Kc61
12-07-2007, 10:54 AM
I think there should be a three-way run-off on this poll among Watson, Francisco, and Fisher.

camisadelgolf
12-07-2007, 12:41 PM
I understand liking Fisher, but I don't understand picking him above Watson.

dougdirt
12-07-2007, 01:27 PM
Is anyone opposed to the 3 way run off of Watson, Francisco and Fisher?

Highlifeman21
12-07-2007, 01:44 PM
Is anyone opposed to the 3 way run off of Watson, Francisco and Fisher?

3 horse race deadlocked, it's the only logical solution.

OnBaseMachine
12-07-2007, 06:33 PM
I've lost track of how many polls I've now voted for Carlos Fisher.

Anyway, he's one of my picks to have a breakout season in 2008.

I agree with this. I like Carlos Fisher a whole lot. I think with his stuff and size he could be a solid #3 starter for years to come.