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MikeS21
12-05-2007, 04:33 PM
With all the buzz about the current crop of Reds' farmhands, I thought it may be interesting to look at the prospects from 2002. These are from the 2002 BA's Prospect Handbook:

1) Austin Kearns
2) Ty Howington
3) Wily Mo Pena
4) Ricardo Aramboles
5) Dustin Moseley
6) Ben Broussard
7) David Espinosa
8) Gookie Dawkins
9) Dane Sardinha
10) Ranier Olmedo
11) Ryan Snare
12) Justin Gillman
13) Brian Reith
14) Edwin Encarnacion
15) Brandon Larson

Danny Serafini
12-05-2007, 04:41 PM
7) David Espinosa
8) Gookie Dawkins
9) Dane Sardinha

That's a nice run of future Mud Hens there.

kaldaniels
12-05-2007, 04:54 PM
In 2002...I'm sure many of those guys were untradable in many minds as well. Granted the cupboard is alittle more full in 2007...but when you realize at most there are maybe 3 somewhat better than average major leaguers on that list...it makes you wonder how valuable some of these "untradeable" guys are.

RedsManRick
12-05-2007, 04:56 PM
7 out of 15 have gone on to get more than a cup of coffee in the majors. None have really fulfilled their potential.

1) Austin Kearns
3) Wily Mo Pena
5) Dustin Moseley
6) Ben Broussard
10) Ranier Olmedo
13) Brian Reith
14) Edwin Encarnacion

lollipopcurve
12-05-2007, 05:08 PM
EdE was always underrated by BA. Meanwhile, they loved that other 3B, Andy Marte.

M2
12-05-2007, 05:31 PM
EdE was always underrated by BA. Meanwhile, they loved that other 3B, Andy Marte.

I still get a kick out of that too. It's like you almost had to apologize when you pointed out that Encarnacion kept outplaying Marte at every level.

OnBaseMachine
12-05-2007, 09:42 PM
Many times I found myself scratching my head as to why Andy Marte was rated ahead of Edwin Encarnacion. Like M2 pointed out, EdE outplayed Marte at each level and yet was still underrated for some reason. Ahh well.

*BaseClogger*
12-05-2007, 11:06 PM
Many times I found myself scratching my head as to why Andy Marte was rated ahead of Edwin Encarnacion. Like M2 pointed out, EdE outplayed Marte at each level and yet was still underrated for some reason. Ahh well.

"tools"

dougdirt
12-05-2007, 11:08 PM
"tools"

did you just call BA, 'tools'? :cool:

mlbfan30
12-05-2007, 11:42 PM
I think he meant BA looks at the "tools" and might favor them over performance for certain players???

dougdirt
12-05-2007, 11:58 PM
I think he meant BA looks at the "tools" and might favor them over performance for certain players???

He did. I was making a joke. I like the BA guys, I just thought it was funny.

BoxingRed
12-06-2007, 10:08 AM
Many times I found myself scratching my head as to why Andy Marte was rated ahead of Edwin Encarnacion. Like M2 pointed out, EdE outplayed Marte at each level and yet was still underrated for some reason. Ahh well.

BA wasn't the only organization to do this either. BP was absolutely in love with Marte. I still think he has a chance, but most likely he'll never be the "next Scott Rolen."

DntKnw
12-06-2007, 10:00 PM
How's this for a lineup . . .

SP Ty Howington (out of baseball)
SP Dustin Moseley (Angels - Majors - bullpen)
SP Ryan Snare (out of baseball)
SP Justin Gillman (out of baseball)
SP Brian Reith (out of baseball)
CL Ricardo Aramboles (out of baseball)

C Dane Sardinha (Detroit - AAA)
1B Ben Broussard (Mariners - Majors)
2B Ranier Olmedo (Toronto - AAA)
SS Gookie Dawkins (Philadelphia - AAA)
3B Edwin Encarnacion (Reds - Majors - Starter)
LF Austin Kearns (Nationals - Majors - Starter?)
CF Wily Mo Pena (Nationals - Majors - Starter?)
RF David Espinosa (Out of Baseball)
UT Brandon Larson (Nationals - AA)

Wow, that's 6 out of baseball; 3 in AAA; 1 in AA; 5 in the majors with only 2 or 3 of them starting. And only one with the Reds.

That's a sad, sad list - let's hope the '07 one looks 15 times better than '02 when '12 rolls around.

BTW, I was on the Nationals' depth chart on MLB.com and saw that Kearns is listed 2nd to Dukes in RF and Lopez is listed as the backup to Guzman and Belliard at SS and 2B respectively. It's taken them less than a year-and-a-half to play themselves to the bench in Washington of all places. Oh, and Wily Mo is listed as the starter in LF. Go figure.

Betterread
12-06-2007, 10:11 PM
I was so hopeful that Ty Howington would turn into an Andy Petite-type power lefty after his great 2001 season. Unfortunately,that was his best year by far.

dougdirt
12-06-2007, 10:32 PM
Howington might have turned into something had his arm not betrayed him....

TC81190
12-08-2007, 04:55 PM
Doesn't David Espinosa still play in Detroit's system somewhere?

gedred69
12-08-2007, 07:30 PM
Shows a lot of guys vote from their hearts, or stat sheets. I'd love to hear more input from people in Billings, Sarasota, Chattanooga, who have the opportunity to watch these guys in action a lot. Notice I left out Dayton and Louisville, as there are a number of them on this web-site. Although I do really appreciate their input and observations.

Benihana
12-08-2007, 08:53 PM
I don't believe Espy is out of baseball.

M2
12-10-2007, 02:38 PM
Howington might have turned into something had his arm not betrayed him....

Given the way he threw the ball, the arm trouble was seemingly unavoidable.

DntKnw
12-10-2007, 03:28 PM
I don't believe Espy is out of baseball.

I stand corrected - he was with the Mud Hens last year and is now a minor league free agent. With his robust .204 BA last year, he is sure to be a hot commodity. :D

camisadelgolf
12-11-2007, 02:23 AM
This discussion makes me think of the first round bust and ex-Red, Cecil Espy. Isn't he also an ex-Tiger?

ChatterRed
12-11-2007, 10:33 AM
How's this for a lineup . . .

SP Ty Howington (out of baseball)
SP Dustin Moseley (Angels - Majors - bullpen)
SP Ryan Snare (out of baseball)
SP Justin Gillman (out of baseball)
SP Brian Reith (out of baseball)
CL Ricardo Aramboles (out of baseball)

C Dane Sardinha (Detroit - AAA)
1B Ben Broussard (Mariners - Majors)
2B Ranier Olmedo (Toronto - AAA)
SS Gookie Dawkins (Philadelphia - AAA)
3B Edwin Encarnacion (Reds - Majors - Starter)
LF Austin Kearns (Nationals - Majors - Starter?)
CF Wily Mo Pena (Nationals - Majors - Starter?)
RF David Espinosa (Out of Baseball)
UT Brandon Larson (Nationals - AA)

Wow, that's 6 out of baseball; 3 in AAA; 1 in AA; 5 in the majors with only 2 or 3 of them starting. And only one with the Reds.

That's a sad, sad list - let's hope the '07 one looks 15 times better than '02 when '12 rolls around.

BTW, I was on the Nationals' depth chart on MLB.com and saw that Kearns is listed 2nd to Dukes in RF and Lopez is listed as the backup to Guzman and Belliard at SS and 2B respectively. It's taken them less than a year-and-a-half to play themselves to the bench in Washington of all places. Oh, and Wily Mo is listed as the starter in LF. Go figure.


Funny stuff.

I wonder where the 2007 Reds prospects will be in 5 years? :cool: