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Ahhhorsepoo
12-06-2007, 11:28 AM
WHO IN THE CRAP CARES ABOUT THIS GUY?

http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/V/Sergio-Valenzuela.shtml

you are telling me cantu couldnt have fetched a player better than a 7 era guy in A ball?!

This is rediculous.. unless he throws 104 mph I want NOTHING to do with this rule 5..

Jefferson24
12-06-2007, 11:39 AM
Why even waste your time with him.

Ahhhorsepoo
12-06-2007, 11:40 AM
at least he is only 23....

rotnoid
12-06-2007, 11:41 AM
Here's his winter ball numbers. Nothing great there either.


http://mlb.mlb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?n=Sergio%20Valenzuela&pos=P&sid=l132&t=p_pbp&pid=452168 (http://mlb.mlb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?n=Sergio%20Valenzuela&pos=P&sid=l132&t=p_pbp&pid=452168)

Notice the last line on the page (Highlights??):


Went 3-4 with a 6.04 ERA in 50 2/3 innings for Danville Rookie League...allowed the third-most runs in the league.

If those are the highlights, I'm more than scared.

Ahhhorsepoo
12-06-2007, 11:43 AM
his hit to innings number almost got to a 1:1 ratio.. but his k/9 is still less than 6..

HokieRed
12-06-2007, 11:47 AM
Only explanation I can see is that they think this guy has some potential and are pretty sure the Braves will be willing to make some deal. He's obviously not going to be pitching in Cinti. this year.

kyjobu
12-06-2007, 12:01 PM
That's got to be it Hokie. I didn't think about them swinging a deal with the Braves. But there is no way this guy ends up on the 40-man all year.

OldRed1966
12-06-2007, 12:16 PM
This makes no sense at all. The only thing I can think of is that this was the AA or AAA phase of the Rule 5 draft.

AmarilloRed
12-06-2007, 02:16 PM
"Winter ball pretty much finalized it for me," said J. Harrison, the Reds' director of pro scouting. "One of our good scouts out west got a chance to see him. I saw him in a trip over to Mexico as well. It was a bullpen-type deal and he caught my attention on some of the things he did with his delivery and his strength. He looked like a guy that was underdeveloped that had some room for growth."

Harrison later dispatched scout Rex De La Nuez to track Valenzuela as a starter in Mexican Winter League games. The Reds liked the pitcher's mid-90s fastball and above average changeup and think he has an average slider.

A mid 90s fastball and above average changeup. Two plus pitches plus a average slider might have convinced the Reds to take a chance on him.

BEETTLEBUG
12-06-2007, 02:30 PM
I am not from Kansas but this pickup is bad so I hope FRONT OFFICE AND SCOUTS show me on this pitcher.

757690
12-06-2007, 02:35 PM
His stats as a starter are respectable, not great, but decent.
If he can throw 95 with a solid change up, he's worth a shot, considering how shallow the Reds are in terms of starters.
Minor League stats can be deceiving. Look at Johan Santana's stats when he was taken in the Rule 5. Not nearly as bad as Valenzuela's, but not impressive either.

jimbo
12-06-2007, 02:39 PM
A mid 90s fastball and above average changeup. Two plus pitches plus a average slider might have convinced the Reds to take a chance on him.

That's exactly what it was about. With Rule 5 picks it's usually more about potential than it is about numbers. The guy throws 95-95 and has a good changeup, and is young. The Reds feel like with some development, he has a certain amount of upside.

I like giving a kid like this a chance over keeping an undisciplined hitter who is poor in the field wherever he plays.

*BaseClogger*
12-06-2007, 02:56 PM
That's exactly what it was about. With Rule 5 picks it's usually more about potential than it is about numbers. The guy throws 95-95 and has a good changeup, and is young. The Reds feel like with some development, he has a certain amount of upside.

I like giving a kid like this a chance over keeping an undisciplined hitter who is poor in the field wherever he plays.

To me its more about what we gave the Rays for Cantu...

durl
12-06-2007, 03:10 PM
That's exactly what it was about. With Rule 5 picks it's usually more about potential than it is about numbers. The guy throws 95-95 and has a good changeup, and is young. The Reds feel like with some development, he has a certain amount of upside.

Bingo. Perhaps they see something they can tweak or he's got a foundation they believe they can build upon.

Dunner44
12-06-2007, 03:28 PM
To me its more about what we gave the Rays for Cantu...

Who knows what the reds can get from the marlins for Cantu, however. I heard they are interested after trading cabrera.

*BaseClogger*
12-06-2007, 03:32 PM
Who knows what the reds can get from the marlins for Cantu, however. I heard they are interested after trading cabrera.

:confused:

rotnoid
12-06-2007, 03:49 PM
Who knows what the reds can get from the marlins for Cantu, however. I heard they are interested after trading cabrera.

I'm guessing a hearty thanks is just about it.

Bip Roberts
12-06-2007, 07:23 PM
he must throw 9000 mph or something

Degenerate39
12-06-2007, 07:24 PM
I'm disappointed with this Rule 5

*BaseClogger*
12-06-2007, 08:29 PM
would have liked to have landed bierd...

Orenda
12-07-2007, 03:10 PM
I'd rather see a trick pitch guy with proven results at a higher level, than a tall guy with no idea how to use his 95mph fastball and changeup.

kaldaniels
12-07-2007, 06:51 PM
The quote by one of the Reds scouts ina post above sums it up. They know his numbers are terrible...but they think they can correct it. Good for them. If it works, awesome...if not, I'm not losing any sleep over it. This pick was all about potential.

Orenda
12-07-2007, 07:26 PM
The argument here is why not just put Carlos Guevara on the 40 man roster? Apparently the padres are expecting good things out of him. Here's what Padres GM Kevin Towers had to say "He's got a great screwball, a great strikeout-to-walk ratio and is a guy who has nailed it at about every level," "He was our No. 1 guy," "We were trying to get the No. 1 pick to get him."