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dougdirt
12-07-2007, 01:16 PM
There is a three way race for the #13 prospect between Carlos Fisher, Juan Francisco and Sean Watson after 85 votes.

Vote for the one you think is the best option. The two that don't win will be put back on the ballot for #14.

*BaseClogger*
12-07-2007, 01:31 PM
nice fisher is out to the early lead!

Highlifeman21
12-07-2007, 01:32 PM
I have a feeling #14 & #15 will fall to the guys that don't win this runoff.

lollipopcurve
12-07-2007, 01:34 PM
I'm a Watson guy here. He should be able to parlay that nasty knuckle-curve into some kind of career at the major league level.

TOBTTReds
12-07-2007, 01:35 PM
I have a feeling #14 & #15 will fall to the guys that don't win this runoff.

Hey alright, 13 votes later, you are starting to realize how this works! :D Sorry I couldn't resist.

Highlifeman21
12-07-2007, 01:52 PM
Hey alright, 13 votes later, you are starting to realize how this works! :D Sorry I couldn't resist.

Which means for #14, I will vote for Chris Dickerson yet again. And when he doesn't win as #14, I'll vote for him for #15.

RedsManRick
12-07-2007, 02:17 PM
I voted for Fisher. I'm just a tad scared of a guy who gets hit around that hard in the FSL. 8 HR in 54 IP is an accomplishment in Sarasota. I'm pretty much splitting hairs. This should really be a scouting decision, so I'm voting along with some other voters whom I trust.

Kc61
12-07-2007, 02:30 PM
I voted for Fisher. I'm just a tad scared of a guy who gets hit around that hard in the FSL. 8 HR in 54 IP is an accomplishment in Sarasota. I'm pretty much splitting hairs. This should really be a scouting decision, so I'm voting along with some other voters whom I trust.


I think Francisco's upside and performance as a 19-20 year old exceeds the prospects of the other two, with the possible exception that I could see Watson emerging as a reliever. So I'm for Francisco, would put Watson second, Fisher third.

Mario-Rijo
12-07-2007, 02:30 PM
I'm a Watson guy here. He should be able to parlay that nasty knuckle-curve into some kind of career at the major league level.

Yeah between these 3 I think Watson and Fisher make it to the show and Watson has the bigger upside. I am hoping for Fisher to prove me wrong as he will likely be a starter but I don't see it. I like Francisco but feel he has too many hurdles, the plate discipline the lack of a defensive position (LF or 1B at best). But again I would love to see him prove me wrong.

dougdirt
12-07-2007, 02:45 PM
RMR, if its a scouting discussion then its probably Watson/Francisco - gap - Fisher. Their upsides are much better than Fishers. Watson has a mid 90s fastball and a devastating plus curveball to go along with two other pitches that he throws. Francisco has good bat speed, a rocket for an arm, tons of current power with even more projection and real bad plate discipline, but thats the only thing going against him. Fisher has a big body and a good fastball and sinker, but stuff wise he is not in the same class as Watson and his size isn't an advantage of him either.

That said, I voted Francisco based on his tools.

Cyclone792
12-07-2007, 03:13 PM
I'll keep voting for Fisher until he finally wins one.

Francisco doesn't know what the strike zone is. He'll never get on base at any type of remotely decent clip until he figures out that a strike zone actually exists in baseball.

REDblooded
12-07-2007, 03:23 PM
Yep.....Francisco for me. Upside galore, and massive power potential.

RedsManRick
12-07-2007, 03:44 PM
I think Francisco's upside and performance as a 19-20 year old exceeds the prospects of the other two, with the possible exception that I could see Watson emerging as a reliever. So I'm for Francisco, would put Watson second, Fisher third.

I love his power potential but I don't trust minor league power that is paired with horrific discipline. I'm sure he's getting 2 or 3 hittable pitches per at bat and doing a lot of damage to them when he makes contact. But he's only going to see fewer and I have more faith in a guy developing power as he matures than I do a historic free swinger learning to reign things in. Put in him the FSL and I think you see a .220/.260/.375 kind of ugly, ugly line.

I know he's got tools but tools without skills makes for a really good A ball player. He's young and has a long time to mature. But prospect rating wise, I need to see another tool translated in to a skill before I invest. The power can come through maturation. The plate discipline and contact are harder to develop.

camisadelgolf
12-07-2007, 03:45 PM
Sean Watson for #13 '08
Carlos Fisher will be two years older than Sean Watson and will have played only one level higher. Sean Watson has been more highly regarded by scouts than Carlos Fisher.


Name H/9 BB/9 K/9 WHIP
Sean Watson 8.17 2.40 9.25 1.17
Carlos Fisher 8.80 2.66 7.59 1.27

Name AB BB K OBP
Juan Francisco 752 29 204 .303

Kc61
12-07-2007, 03:59 PM
I love his power potential but I don't trust minor league power that is paired with horrific discipline. I'm sure he's getting 2 or 3 hittable pitches per at bat and doing a lot of damage to them when he makes contact. But he's only going to see fewer and I have more faith in a guy developing power as he matures than I do a historic free swinger learning to reign things in. Put in him the FSL and I think you see a .220/.260/.375 kind of ugly, ugly line.

I know he's got tools but tools without skills makes for a really good A ball player. He's young and has a long time to mature. But prospect rating wise, I need to see another tool translated in to a skill before I invest. The power can come through maturation. The plate discipline and contact are harder to develop.

Well, Fisher will be 25 before next season. He hasn't yet mastered AA. He's never been touted as a high prospect. His main attribute seems to be his abilty to keep the ball down, important at GABP for sure.

Watson is a polished college pitcher who blew away low A ball, as did a number of others (Thompson, Gonzalez) but then had a tougher time at High-A.

Francisco is now 20 and had .268, 25, 90 at low-A. I've been told repeatedly on this site to ignore strikeouts and focus on production. Here's a guy with huge production. With even slight improvement in plate discipline, his numbers would be off the chart. At the number 13 pick, considering that he is a young prospect, I'm taking that chance.

This is not a doubles hitter, say a Chris Valaika, who needs to develop superior plate discipline to be effective. Francisco has huge power production, so even if he is never a high OBP guy he can produce.

While I'm hopeful all three will pan out, and I consider them all good prospects, the choice here seems apparent to me.

AdamDunn
12-07-2007, 04:00 PM
I just hate Francisco's BB/K ratio. God awful. He doesn't play defense well, right?

Benihana
12-07-2007, 04:06 PM
wow this is tight!

Highlifeman21
12-07-2007, 04:07 PM
38 votes in, and we're looking at another dead heat.

Awesome.

Javy Pornstache
12-07-2007, 05:05 PM
I've been voting Fisher, I like his fastball and sinker a lot, I like how he's progressed the last couple years, and I think he should be a real workhorse-type with his frame and style. Not to say I don't like the other two as prospects, but Watson's FSL performance concerned me for a guy I hoped would be more polished, especially in a pitcher's league. Now he didn't exactly dazzle in the MWL first go-around either, but hopefully he can continue to take a step forward without two steps back. Francisco certainly has age on his side, but as some others have intimated, I am concerned by what appears to be a complete and unequivocal lack of plate discipline. Defense doesn't concern me as much as some others, I think he'll wind up in LF anyway. Possibly 1B.

RedsManRick
12-07-2007, 06:53 PM
Time to name 13a, 13b, and 13c and move on to the vote for #16.

FWIW Sickles has Watson at #20 and the other two not rated.

TOBTTReds
12-07-2007, 09:59 PM
Time to name 13a, 13b, and 13c and move on to the vote for #16.

FWIW Sickles has Watson at #20 and the other two not rated.

That'd be awesome if they were honestly the 20 somethings of our prospects...deeeeep system if that is really the case.

Joseph
12-07-2007, 10:08 PM
Watson!

klw
12-07-2007, 10:12 PM
Well it looks like the runoff is clearing things up. :D

GoReds33
12-07-2007, 11:06 PM
Man, I can't vote for Waring again.

Kc61
12-07-2007, 11:34 PM
Unless someone pulls away, is it a tie for 13-15th place?

camisadelgolf
12-08-2007, 02:46 AM
It's not like the hitters in the FSL are significantly better than in the MWL. If you're worried about Watson's Sarasota performance, keep in mind that A.) he did much worse in Dayton last year and rebounded to be Dayton's best pitcher the next year, and B.) his peripherals were still solid in Sarasota--it was probably just a case of small sample size.

dougdirt
12-08-2007, 10:03 AM
I just hate Francisco's BB/K ratio. God awful. He doesn't play defense well, right?

Kind of. He is very error prone at this point, but he has a cannon of an arm and is quite athletic and can make some great plays on the corner, he is just quite inconsistant over there right now. Still, how many 20 year olds are not struggling at third base defensively?

dougdirt
12-08-2007, 10:03 AM
That'd be awesome if they were honestly the 20 somethings of our prospects...deeeeep system if that is really the case.

That really is the case.

Prf15
12-08-2007, 10:39 AM
Kind of. He is very error prone at this point, but he has a cannon of an arm and is quite athletic and can make some great plays on the corner, he is just quite inconsistant over there right now. Still, how many 20 year olds are not struggling at third base defensively?

Does he remind you of Edwin at 3rd? That sort of explains Edwin, makes errors but makes some very very nice plays. Most of his errors were also throwing, what about Francisco?

*BaseClogger*
12-08-2007, 03:51 PM
I was wondering why so many are voting for Francisco over Waring?
Thanks

gedred69
12-08-2007, 07:19 PM
Does anybody else fear that Francisco is another Wily Mo?

BoydsOfSummer
12-08-2007, 07:33 PM
If he's a Wily Mo type, having that type talent this far down your top prospect list is exciting not scary.:thumbup:

dougdirt
12-09-2007, 12:19 PM
This one is over. Sean Watson wins with 29 votes.