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AmarilloRed
12-17-2007, 02:02 AM
Still wanted: Pitching

My plan for today was to write something profound off the Mitchell Report and performance-enhancing drugs in baseball.

But really, what's left to say? Baseball had a huge drug problem. Big Bud Selig's going to mete out some punishment. It will cost some guys games and money. The guess here is Selig won't take the 2000 World Series trophy away from the Yankees even though they allegedly were using steroids like they were competing for Mr. Universe.

But I'm sick of the Mitchell Report talk, and I'm sure you are too.

So rather than pontificate on the ramifications, I'm going to write about what I think the Reds are going to do for the rest of the offseason.

They're going to continue to try to land a starting pitcher. That's Wayne Krivsky's mandate from ownership.

The only limitation is he has to do it without giving up Jay Bruce. So far, that's what has kept the Reds from completing a deal with Baltimore for left-hander Erik Bedard.

They continue to try to swing the deal without Bruce included. The hope is the Orioles will ease off their demand for Bruce and accept a package built around Homer Bailey.

Bedard was one of two pitchers not named Johan Santana who really could help the Reds this season.

The other was Dan Haren, who got traded from the Oakland A's to the Arizona Diamondbacks on Friday.

The Reds had expressed interest in Haren but thought the price was too steep. The A's apparently wanted a package that included Johnny Cueto.

The Haren trade makes the competition for Bedard stiffer, particularly since it upped the ante for the National League West. The Los Angeles Dodgers reportedly are leading the race to land Bedard.

If the Dodgers land Bedard or the O's don't back off wanting Bruce in the deal, the Reds will have to turn elsewhere.

The Haren trade also might mean the A's are in full rebuilding mode. Oakland right-hander Joe Blanton would fit nicely into the Reds' rotation. He was 14-10 with a 3.95 ERA. He threw 230 innings and gave up only 16 home runs. He's from Kentucky, so he could be willing to sign long-term.

The drop-off after Bedard and Blanton is significant.

Cleveland's Cliff Lee is said to be available. He's coming off an injury-plagued season - 5-8, 6.29 ERA - but he's been good in the past. He was 46-24 the previous three seasons.

Jon Lieber is still available. He was 3-6 with a 4.93 ERA and missed significant time with a foot injury. Like Lee, he's been good in the past. Lieber was 17-13 in 2005. But at 38, you wonder if he can get back to being that guy.

None of the alternatives beyond Bedard and Blanton is very comforting. Bedard is ideal because he gives the Reds a left-hander.

My sense is the Reds will get something done. Going into the season with Matt Belisle as the No. 3 starter isn't a good plan. Belisle might develop into a consistent winner. But "might" is the operative word. The same can be said of Bailey.

The stakes in the NL Central got a little higher last week when the Houston Astros added Miguel Tejada (speaking of the Mitchell Report) and Jose Valverde, the major-league saves leader.

Reds ownership doesn't want three question marks in the rotation. Krivsky, in the final year of his contract, knows winning is essential to his job security.

That sounds like a recipe to get a deal done.

E-mail jfay@enquirer.com

I am not sure how up to date John Fay is. The fact that the Dodgers signed Kuroda makes it unlikely that they would be leading in the race to land Bedard. I believe the Mariners and Reds are the main contenders now to land Bedard. It may very well be that the Reds would be best suited to trade for Blanton, especially if the Orioles continue to remain obstinate about us trading Bruce.

Bip Roberts
12-17-2007, 02:03 AM
Fay just making stuff up as he goes I think.

gobucks106
12-17-2007, 11:54 AM
Keep in mind that the Dodgers signed that Janapnese starter Hiroki Kuroda over the weekend, that leaves it between the Reds and the Mariners to trade for Bedard. Let's hope Wayne can get it done with a package of players that does not include Jay Bruce.

TN Red Fan
12-17-2007, 12:50 PM
IMO, Bailey, Votto and Stubbs tops the Mariners offer. But MacPhail wants Bruce and he's going to make the WK sweat it out, hoping he'll cave out of fear of losing Bedard to Seattle.

WK needs to hold his ground. Even without Bruce we have the better hand.

Jim
12-17-2007, 01:06 PM
Is it a dumb idea to just stick with Bailey and Cueto, working them into the rotation and getting them regular work there, rather than trading them away? I want to win now, but I also want to be a major contender for the foreseeable future. If all these other teams are coveting our youth, maybe we should stick it out. The Reds are not like the Yanks, who can shell out crazy money for the best available. Bailey and Cueto are cheap with huge upsides. With Bedard, you pretty much know what you're getting (which is a very good pitcher), but you're spending a lot to get it. I'm a little afraid of his frailty.

Jr's Boy
12-17-2007, 01:23 PM
My sense is the Reds will get something done. Going into the season with Matt Belisle as the No. 3 starter isn't a good plan. Belisle might develop into a consistent winner. But "might" is the operative word. The same can be said of Bailey.


Fay is grasping for straw's to say the least when it comes to Homer Bailey.

Stephenk29
12-17-2007, 01:55 PM
Reds wouldn't part with Cueto for Haren? That sounds made up. No way we're more likely to just throw Bailey in there and not Cueto. I can't see a deal getting done at this point if this is true.

Hondo
12-17-2007, 01:56 PM
There is no reason to Trade Bruce with Ken Griffey Jr. being at the stage of his career that he is...

Joba Chamberlain is untouchable so why can't Bruce be here?

Thanks

Blue
12-17-2007, 02:33 PM
There is no reason to Trade Bruce with Ken Griffey Jr. being at the stage of his career that he is...

Joba Chamberlain is untouchable so why can't Bruce be here?

Thanks

Same goes for Josh Hamilton.

bigredbunter
12-17-2007, 02:45 PM
My sense is the Reds will get something done. Going into the season with Matt Belisle as the No. 3 starter isn't a good plan. Belisle might develop into a consistent winner. But "might" is the operative word. The same can be said of Bailey.


Fay is grasping for straw's to say the least when it comes to Homer Bailey.

I guess you would say "definitely will develop" ?

BEETTLEBUG
01-07-2008, 12:15 PM
Would a Edwin Jackson for Hatteburg be an option?

AmarilloRed
01-07-2008, 03:59 PM
Would a Edwin Jackson for Hatteburg be an option?

There was some talk the Rays might take a veteran first baseman or a young catcher for Edwin Jackson, but it later turned out they wanted more. Hatteberg might be a good starting point, however.

BEETTLEBUG
01-07-2008, 06:39 PM
Well what catcher can we send with Hatteberg?

AdamDunn
01-07-2008, 07:07 PM
Fay needs to be reporting... not writing ill-informed opinions.