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dougdirt
12-26-2007, 12:49 PM
Vote for the player who you think is the Reds #21 prospect (the best prospect who is not yet on the list). We will go with this as far as you guys want to take it.

I will post a new list every 2 days with 10-15 options to vote on.

If you feel like making an argument on why a guy should be voted here, feel free to vote and state why you voted for that player.

If there is someone that is not currently listed as an option to vote on, vote for 'other' then just state who you want to vote for in the thread.

If there is anyone you would like to see as an option on the next poll, just say so and if they garner enough support, they will be placed on the next poll. Guys with the lowest amount of votes will usually be removed for the next few guys who were talked about in the previous thread.

Player(s) who recieved 0 votes last round and will go back into rotation - Zach Cozart, Rafael Gonzalez, Jordan Smith, and Phil Valiquette.


Prospect 1 - Jay Bruce
Prospect 2 - Homer Bailey
Prospect 3 - Johnny Cueto
Prospect 4 - Joey Votto
Prospect 5 - Todd Frazier
Prospect 6 - Drew Stubbs
Prospect 7 - Matt Maloney
Prospect 8 - Josh Roenicke
Prospect 9 - Travis Wood
Prospect 10 - Devin Mesoraco
Prospect 11 - Kyle Lotzkar
Prospect 12 - Danny Dorn
Prospect 13 - Sean Watson
Prospect 14 - Carlos Fisher
Prospect 15 - Juan Francisco
Prospect 16 - Neftali Soto
Prospect 17 - Brandon Waring
Prospect 18 - Adam Rosales
Prospect 19 - Tyler Pelland
Prospect 20 - Daryl Thompson

Degenerate39
12-26-2007, 01:50 PM
No clue who to vote for so I pick Viola

Kc61
12-26-2007, 02:06 PM
Lecure. At 23, in an injury plagued season at AA, had about a strikeout an inning for 110 innings. Bodes well for the future. Viola is 24 with only 19 innings at AA, although he did very well. And Doug says starters are more valuable.

As we go down the list, I think Rafael Gonzalez, Jordan Smith, and Phil Valiquette should soon get back on. Smith doesn't get the ink, but he had a very fine season at Dayton with a 1.29 WHIP, excellent for a starter. Throws ground balls. I think he should crack the top 30.

lollipopcurve
12-26-2007, 03:20 PM
Valaika.

I think he's underrated here. He'll play most of 08 as a 22-year-old.

TOBTTReds
12-26-2007, 03:41 PM
Viola...Reds44 will be happy with my next vote after viola wins.

HokieRed
12-26-2007, 05:11 PM
It's amazing how conservative redszone voters are. Upside is hardly being valued at all. We've got 33 votes this round for Dickerson, Lecur, Lutz, McBeth, Viola, andValaika, and 1 total for Scott Carroll and Evan Hildenbrandt.

Danny Serafini
12-26-2007, 05:25 PM
Personally, I can't justify voting for a 6th round HS pitcher with no professional track record over players who have been productive in the minors. A guy like Hildenbrandt isn't anywhere on my radar right now.

Betterread
12-26-2007, 06:21 PM
It's amazing how conservative redszone voters are. Upside is hardly being valued at all. We've got 33 votes this round for Dickerson, Lecur, Lutz, McBeth, Viola, andValaika, and 1 total for Scott Carroll and Evan Hildenbrandt.

Its hard to vote for Carroll and Hildenbrandt with no idea of their skills.
Can you tell me what their scouting reports are?

dougdirt
12-26-2007, 06:41 PM
Its hard to vote for Carroll and Hildenbrandt with no idea of their skills.
Can you tell me what their scouting reports are?

This is what I was able to find on Carroll around draft time


He throws 91-93 consistantly and has touched 94-95 in the past at times. He put on 15 pounds of muscle between this year and last year, mostly in his lower body, which has allowed him to last longer into games this year. He throws two different versions of a splitter, one which dives in against left handed batters and then one that is more straight and kind of works as a change up type pitch against right handers. He has a slider that is in the low 80s. He also throws a curveball, but it is not one of his better pitches.

This is what I found on Hildenbrandt around draft time


He pitches 88-91 and has touched 93 MPH. He throws a curveball that is in the high 70s that can be very good at times.

Wasn't as much out there on Hildenbrandt.

Mario-Rijo
12-26-2007, 08:03 PM
Well I hope this is the last time I gotta vote for Pedro. It's been a long time coming and I am ready to move on to someone new.

AmarilloRed
12-26-2007, 11:50 PM
Well I hope this is the last time I gotta vote for Pedro. It's been a long time coming and I am ready to move on to someone new.

We have been supporting the same reliever since at least Vote#14. I really hope you are right and he gets in this time. Will you change your avatar if he finally wins?:)

Mario-Rijo
12-27-2007, 12:01 AM
We have been supporting the same reliever since at least Vote#14. I really hope you are right and he gets in this time. Will you change your avatar if he finally wins?:)

Yeah I know and I started voting for him before he was even on the board at #7. In retrospect that was too high knowing what I know now. However I do really like him, I hope I am right as well.

Yeah I gotta change it, it makes no sense after he get's in.

Mario-Rijo
12-27-2007, 12:06 AM
Jeez, 2 Sean Henry's on the board and neither of them can muster any votes, what gives? :p:

gedred69
12-27-2007, 12:13 AM
This is really getting into the area of, "I dunno". It will be really interesting if any of these guys amount to something, then we will all look like a bunch of statistics devouring idiots, who never spent any time actually watching these players perform. I hope they all prove us to be just that.

PS.
Who the hell is Sean Henry that he deserves to be in the poll,,,,twice?!? Is it 2 different guys, and we are left to wonder which we are voting for? I'll throw in Petr Cech. Anybody from Transylvania has to be feared.:D

OnBaseMachine
12-27-2007, 12:24 AM
This is about the 8th straight time I have voted for Pedro Viola and it looks like it's finally paying off! :)

dougdirt
12-27-2007, 04:39 AM
Jeez, 2 Sean Henry's on the board and neither of them can muster any votes, what gives? :p:



PS.
Who the hell is Sean Henry that he deserves to be in the poll,,,,twice?!? Is it 2 different guys, and we are left to wonder which we are voting for? I'll throw in Petr Cech. Anybody from Transylvania has to be feared.:D

The person who made the poll is a moron, which is why he included Sean Henry twice. Whoops.

JaxRed
12-27-2007, 09:17 AM
OK, I'll make the case for Gardner..... Tore up both High A and AA with ERA's below 2.00, then had bad stats at AAA. The question is "Why?" either the level of competition was that much higher, or he was hurt or he was worn down.

To me the "worn down" theory is the one that makes most sense. He only pitched 66 innnings in 2005 (year of surgery) and 31 innings in 2006 coming off surgery. He'd already pitched 80 innings before being promoted to AAA.

This guy was Minor League pitcher of the Year for the Reds, and it wasn't based on fastballs, but sliders, changeups, good groundball ratios.

We'll know pretty early next year what the story is on Gardner, but if he's right, he could be starting games in GAB in 2008 sometime.

mth123
12-27-2007, 09:47 AM
OK, I'll make the case for Gardner..... Tore up both High A and AA with ERA's below 2.00, then had bad stats at AAA. The question is "Why?" either the level of competition was that much higher, or he was hurt or he was worn down.

To me the "worn down" theory is the one that makes most sense. He only pitched 66 innnings in 2005 (year of surgery) and 31 innings in 2006 coming off surgery. He'd already pitched 80 innings before being promoted to AAA.

This guy was Minor League pitcher of the Year for the Reds, and it wasn't based on fastballs, but sliders, changeups, good groundball ratios.

We'll know pretty early next year what the story is on Gardner, but if he's right, he could be starting games in GAB in 2008 sometime.

The fact that the Reds chose to place him on the 40 man roster may be a sign that they think he's bucked the odds and is over his arm problems. The "worn down" theory is a very possible explanation.

IIRC Gardner was never a big time power pitcher. He was getting groundballs in the lower levels in 2007 so he may be back to what he was. The problem is that I was never sure how his stuff would work against big leaguers. Hopefully he'll be this year's Bobby Livingston story without the bad ending.

camisadelgolf
12-27-2007, 11:21 AM
This one was easy: Pedro Viola.

I'm amazed by how few votes Justin Turner has gotten. http://minors.baseball-reference.com/players.cgi?pid=31766

klw
12-27-2007, 01:50 PM
This is about the 8th straight time I have voted for Pedro Viola and it looks like it's finally paying off! :)

And I only voted for Daryl Thompson 14 straight times before I was right. :)

RedsManRick
12-27-2007, 05:14 PM
This one was easy: Pedro Viola.

I'm amazed by how few votes Justin Turner has gotten. http://minors.baseball-reference.com/players.cgi?pid=31766

Unless he's got a gold glove, an .805 OPS from a 22 year old in A Ball doesn't exactly turn my head. He doesn't really seem to have any plus skills per se'. Decent average, decent plate discipline, decent speed, not much pop. Should be polished after 4 years at CS Fullerton. If he can do that in AA, I imagine he'll jump up some lists. For now, I think he's where he should be.

Mario-Rijo
12-27-2007, 06:53 PM
Unless he's got a gold glove, an .805 OPS from a 22 year old in A Ball doesn't exactly turn my head. He doesn't really seem to have any plus skills per se'. Decent average, decent plate discipline, decent speed, not much pop. Should be polished after 4 years at CS Fullerton. If he can do that in AA, I imagine he'll jump up some lists. For now, I think he's where he should be.

According to this which I got from the Lutz thread (Thanks to Icehole) he in fact does play above avg defense albeit at 2nd alone as he has the fringy arm strength.


7 204 CIN Justin Turner 2b Cal State Fullerton CA $50,000
Many college baseball fans remember him from the 2003 College World Series, when as a freshman he was hit in the face while squaring to bunt on a pitch against Stanford. Turner also turned his ankle on the play and missed Team USA's college national trials after doctors determined that he broke a bone in his ankle on the play. He recovered to have a steady, gritty career and saved his best for last, posting career highs in batting (.352), slugging (.500) and stolen bases (18) as a senior--after declining to sign with the Yankees as a 29th-round pick last year. One scout compared Turner favorably with Red Sox prospect Dustin Pedroia, an All-American at Arizona State and a 2004 second-round pick. Like Pedroia, Turner makes all the plays defensively (even at short) thanks to superior footwork and profiles as an above-average defender on the right side of the infield thanks to his fringy arm. He's an average runner with excellent instincts.

OnBaseMachine
12-27-2007, 07:00 PM
I think Turner is a lock to reach the major leagues. He won't be an All-Star or anything, but I expect him to have a career as a utility man. He is exactly the type of player Cincinnati fans love: small and scrappy guy who gives it his all.

camisadelgolf
12-28-2007, 02:32 AM
With most of the prospects, we can say they have one great going for each of them (i.e. lots of power potential, a good 'pitch', etc.). However, in the case of Turner, what hurts him is that nothing really stands out--he's adequate or better at everything. Seeing as how he's a second baseman, I think that's a good skill to have.