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AmarilloRed
12-30-2007, 01:29 PM
December 26, 2007
Rumor Mill: Winter of our dis-Clement

Apparently the Cardinals are close to making former Padres, Marlins, Cubs and Red Sox hurler Matt Clement the new Kip Wells.

A lifetime 87-86 pitcher with a 4.47 ERA, Clement didn't give up a single hit or run in 2007. That's entirely because he was out the entire season following shoulder surgery.

The Cardinals think they can rebuild Clement and revitalize his career. You know the words to that tune, so everybody sing along!

Supposing Chris Carpenter, Mark Mulder and Matt Clement all return to their pre-injury form and make up the top of the Cardinals rotation in 2009. How many people will pass out at Busch Stadium every time one of them throws a pitch, holding their breath in fear that the pitcher du jour's surgically repaired arm will fall off?

In all seriousness, Clement was 10-2 with a 3.85 ERA in the first half of the season in 2005 before things started to go south. He finished the year by going 3-4 in the second half with a 5.72 ERA.

It will be interesting to see what dave Duncan can do with Matt Clement.

Bip Roberts
12-30-2007, 01:35 PM
I think hes damage goods in more than 1 way. I think that ball off his melon ruined him more than the injuries.

AmarilloRed
12-30-2007, 03:53 PM
Pirates Notes: Thrilled with Garcia
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By John Perrotto, Times Sports Staff
Published: Sunday, December 30, 2007 1:27 AM EST

RUMORS AND RUMBLINGS

l It appears most likely free-agent pitcher Matt Clement, who missed last season with Boston after undergoing shoulder surgery, will sign with either the Pirates or Cleveland. He wants to stay close to the new home he built in Butler this year.

Clement is hopeful of landing a major-league contract, something Pittsburgh doesn’t seem willing to offer.

l Could it be Kris Benson redux with the Pirates? They were one of nearly a dozen teams that scouted his workout before Christmas. Like Clement, Benson is a free agent after missing last season while recovering from shoulder surgery.

Another couple of possibilities is Pittsburgh and Cleveland. It might be Cleveland because they would give him a better contract, and he would be close to his new home in Butler.

Newman4
12-30-2007, 04:14 PM
Supposing Chris Carpenter, Mark Mulder and Matt Clement all return to their pre-injury form and make up the top of the Cardinals rotation in 2009.

I think you'd have better chance at this week's Mega Millions. Clement is the highest risk of all the FA pitchers IMO since he hasn't pitched in 1.5 years and is 33. Not a whole lot of promise there.

AmarilloRed
12-30-2007, 04:20 PM
I think you'd have better chance at this week's Mega Millions. Clement is the highest risk of all the FA pitchers IMO since he hasn't pitched in 1.5 years and is 33. Not a whole lot of promise there.

Dave Duncan has had a good history of helping out pitchers with bad arms or coming back from injury, but I agree he has his work cut out with Matt Clement.

Shaknb8k
12-30-2007, 04:51 PM
Pirates Notes: Thrilled with Garcia
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By John Perrotto, Times Sports Staff
Published: Sunday, December 30, 2007 1:27 AM EST

RUMORS AND RUMBLINGS

l It appears most likely free-agent pitcher Matt Clement, who missed last season with Boston after undergoing shoulder surgery, will sign with either the Pirates or Cleveland. He wants to stay close to the new home he built in Butler this year.

Clement is hopeful of landing a major-league contract, something Pittsburgh doesn’t seem willing to offer.

l Could it be Kris Benson redux with the Pirates? They were one of nearly a dozen teams that scouted his workout before Christmas. Like Clement, Benson is a free agent after missing last season while recovering from shoulder surgery.

Another couple of possibilities is Pittsburgh and Cleveland. It might be Cleveland because they would give him a better contract, and he would be close to his new home in Butler.


I believe it is Butler, PA where his house is built not Butler, OH. Hes from PA and also I have a friend who lives in Butler and all she knows is that a major league player comes into her store a lot and his name is Matt and hes a pitcher who was hurt most of last year. Ill have her check into it just to clarify the reports a little.

stevekun
12-30-2007, 05:39 PM
Seems about right for the cardinals...they always seem to get Cubs leftovers

AmarilloRed
12-30-2007, 06:21 PM
I believe it is Butler, PA where his house is built not Butler, OH. Hes from PA and also I have a friend who lives in Butler and all she knows is that a major league player comes into her store a lot and his name is Matt and hes a pitcher who was hurt most of last year. Ill have her check into it just to clarify the reports a little.

John Perrotto believes Clement is leaning towards the Pirates or Indians, partly because of a new home he built in Butler, PA (same place he was born).


That would seem to indicate you are right.

NorrisHopper30
12-30-2007, 09:13 PM
FROM 12-30-07 at 12:26pm: John Perrotto believes Clement is leaning towards the Pirates or Indians, partly because of a new home he built in Butler, PA (same place he was born).

Why aren't we in on this?

jmac
12-30-2007, 09:33 PM
Why aren't we in on this?
With the questions surrounding him, we are better off focusing elsewhere.
I will say it like this. I feel the reds right now are ahead of the Cards.
If cards sign Clement, I would still feel that way.

NorrisHopper30
12-30-2007, 10:26 PM
With the questions surrounding him, we are better off focusing elsewhere.
I will say it like this. I feel the reds right now are ahead of the Cards.
If cards sign Clement, I would still feel that way.

I'd still like to see us go after Clement IF it isn't too much.

smoke6
12-30-2007, 10:54 PM
I'd still like to see us go after Clement IF it isn't too much.

I don't think we should go after Clement. I think Clement, Prior, & Wood's best days are behind them. Is it a little funny that these guys are wasted and Dusty was their skipper or is it me?

jmac
12-31-2007, 05:06 AM
I think Clement, Prior, & Wood's best days are behind them. Is it a little funny that these guys are wasted and Dusty was their skipper or is it me?

It's you......................(hopefully) :D

AmarilloRed
12-31-2007, 01:39 PM
December 31, 2007
Swashbuckled?

Reportedly interested in signing with the Cardinals a few days ago, Matt Clement has apparently balked at the prospect of taking a minor league deal with an invite to spring training. He is said to have decided that, if he can't get a guaranteed deal elsewhere, he'd just as soon pitch for a team close to his western Pennsylvania home: The Pirates or the Indians...

It's one thing when the Cardinals can't convince players to come to St. Louis over offers from the Yankees or the Red Sox. But when players decide that, all other things being equal, they would rather play for the Pirates... Well, you've got problems, mister.

It's hard to believe that, as things appear right now, the Cardinals will start 2008 with a worse starting rotation than the one that completed the 2007 season.

Wainwright and Pineiro will be holdovers. Looper, according to the Cardinals at the end of last season, was a candidate to be sent back to the bullpen. Now the team can't afford to lose him from the starting five. Mulder is probably going to miss a month at the very least. And Kip Wells' spot still is vacant. So it looks like Anthony Reyes will spend another season butting heads with Dave Duncan and Tony La Russa while Brad Thompson and Todd Wellemeyer will fight it out for the fifth slot until Mulder returns... If he returns. Chris Carpenter is so far off in the distance that it's best not to even dream about his return before it's all over but the crying.

We've all heard the excuses: There's no one the team likes available on the free agent market. We don't have anything in the farm system anyone wants in return for pitching. But, after promises that the franchise would be aggressive, it's an insult to the fans that this club's leadership has done nothing to address glaring needs. Whose fault is it that the team was allowed to degenerate into this predicament? And since when does showering the paying customers with praise as baseball's best fans absolve the team of making any effort to be competitive?

Back in the Walt Jocketty glory days, you could always hope that there was one big trick up the old master's sleeve. But it appears that not only does this edition of the Cardinals have nothing cooking, it has nothing in the pantry and no intention of heading off to the grocery store anytime soon.


It is pretty bad when the Cardinals can't get a pitcher like Clement to sign a minor league deal.

Edd Roush
12-31-2007, 05:10 PM
December 31, 2007
Swashbuckled?

Reportedly interested in signing with the Cardinals a few days ago, Matt Clement has apparently balked at the prospect of taking a minor league deal with an invite to spring training. He is said to have decided that, if he can't get a guaranteed deal elsewhere, he'd just as soon pitch for a team close to his western Pennsylvania home: The Pirates or the Indians...

It's one thing when the Cardinals can't convince players to come to St. Louis over offers from the Yankees or the Red Sox. But when players decide that, all other things being equal, they would rather play for the Pirates... Well, you've got problems, mister.

It's hard to believe that, as things appear right now, the Cardinals will start 2008 with a worse starting rotation than the one that completed the 2007 season.

Wainwright and Pineiro will be holdovers. Looper, according to the Cardinals at the end of last season, was a candidate to be sent back to the bullpen. Now the team can't afford to lose him from the starting five. Mulder is probably going to miss a month at the very least. And Kip Wells' spot still is vacant. So it looks like Anthony Reyes will spend another season butting heads with Dave Duncan and Tony La Russa while Brad Thompson and Todd Wellemeyer will fight it out for the fifth slot until Mulder returns... If he returns. Chris Carpenter is so far off in the distance that it's best not to even dream about his return before it's all over but the crying.

We've all heard the excuses: There's no one the team likes available on the free agent market. We don't have anything in the farm system anyone wants in return for pitching. But, after promises that the franchise would be aggressive, it's an insult to the fans that this club's leadership has done nothing to address glaring needs. Whose fault is it that the team was allowed to degenerate into this predicament? And since when does showering the paying customers with praise as baseball's best fans absolve the team of making any effort to be competitive?

Back in the Walt Jocketty glory days, you could always hope that there was one big trick up the old master's sleeve. But it appears that not only does this edition of the Cardinals have nothing cooking, it has nothing in the pantry and no intention of heading off to the grocery store anytime soon.


It is pretty bad when the Cardinals can't get a pitcher like Clement to sign a minor league deal.


I feel like a bad person for enjoying it so much. :beerme:

BEETTLEBUG
12-31-2007, 08:12 PM
Why don't we offer a ML contract with insentives?

XU Lou
12-31-2007, 09:47 PM
You can keep Clement. Too much risk, like most of the FA SP.

Sean_CaseyRules
01-03-2008, 07:34 PM
Looks like it happened guys.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080103&content_id=2338616&vkey=hotstove2007&fext=.jsp


Cardinals add Clement to rotation mix
Righty missed all of 2007 rehabbing from shoulder surgery
By Alyson Footer / MLB.com

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The Cardinals' starting rotation received a possible boost on Thursday, when the club signed right-hander Matt Clement to a one-year deal with a club option for 2009.
The 33-year-old Clement missed the entire 2007 season while rehabbing from arthroscopic right shoulder surgery performed Sept. 26, 2006, and he has not appeared in a Major League contest since June 14, 2006, when he prematurely left his start at Minnesota with shoulder discomfort.

Despite the injury issues and long layoff, general manager John Mozeliak is confident the veteran starter can help the Cardinals in '08.

"Matt is a very talented pitcher who has been beset by injury the last few years," Mozeliak said. "Based on our findings from his rehabilitation last season and his recent physical, we feel that he can be a solid addition to our starting rotation and should have no limitations upon reporting to Spring Training."

Clement has a career record of 87-86 with a 4.47 ERA over nine-plus big league seasons with the Padres, Marlins, Cubs and Red Sox. He made at least 30 starts in each of his seven full Major League seasons from 1999-2005 before shoulder problems limited him to 12 starts for Boston in '06.

Clement struck out a career-high 215 batters with Chicago in 2002, and set a career high with 14 wins in 2003 with the Cubs, limiting the opposition to a .227 batting average, sixth lowest in the National League. He has made three postseason starts during his career, two with Chicago in 2003 and one with Boston during the 2005 playoffs.

Alyson Footer is a reporter for MLB.com. This story was not subject to the approval of Major League Baseball or its clubs.

jmac
01-03-2008, 09:08 PM
Clement if healthy will do better than Wells but so far, I still like the reds chances better !

Vada Pinson Fan
01-03-2008, 10:44 PM
I always thought Abe Lincoln, errrrr, ummmm, Matt Clement was a decent pitcher but in reality we need pitchers that can give an above .500 effort not one with an 87-86 lifetime record.

The Cardinals are presenting a rather fragile starting pitching staff in '08.
Thank You St. Louis!

Bip Roberts
01-03-2008, 10:52 PM
Pretty decent signing

BEETTLEBUG
01-03-2008, 11:01 PM
would their be any interest in Anthony Reyes of Cards or would they deal him to us in same division