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dougdirt
01-02-2008, 11:46 AM
Vote for the player who you think is the Reds #22 prospect (the best prospect who is not yet on the list). We will go with this as far as you guys want to take it.

I will post a new list every 2 days with 10-15 options to vote on.

If you feel like making an argument on why a guy should be voted here, feel free to vote and state why you voted for that player.

If there is someone that is not currently listed as an option to vote on, vote for 'other' then just state who you want to vote for in the thread.

If there is anyone you would like to see as an option on the next poll, just say so and if they garner enough support, they will be placed on the next poll. Guys with the lowest amount of votes will usually be removed for the next few guys who were talked about in the previous thread.

Player(s) who recieved 0 votes last round and will go back into rotation - Jose Castro, Zach Cozart, Rafael Gonzalez, Jordan Smith and Phil Valiquette.

Back onto the poll: Scott Carroll, Tzu-Kai Chui, Chris Heisey, Sean Henry, Paul Janish, Juan Rafael and Ramon Ramirez.


Prospect 1 - Jay Bruce
Prospect 2 - Homer Bailey
Prospect 3 - Johnny Cueto
Prospect 4 - Joey Votto
Prospect 5 - Todd Frazier
Prospect 6 - Drew Stubbs
Prospect 7 - Matt Maloney
Prospect 8 - Josh Roenicke
Prospect 9 - Travis Wood
Prospect 10 - Devin Mesoraco
Prospect 11 - Kyle Lotzkar
Prospect 12 - Danny Dorn
Prospect 13 - Sean Watson
Prospect 14 - Carlos Fisher
Prospect 15 - Juan Francisco
Prospect 16 - Neftali Soto
Prospect 17 - Brandon Waring
Prospect 18 - Adam Rosales
Prospect 19 - Tyler Pelland
Prospect 20 - Daryl Thompson
Prospect 21 - Pedro Viola
Prospect 22 - Chris Valaika

Stingray
01-02-2008, 12:00 PM
If the Reds really have 22 better prospects than Dickerson and McBeth, they've truly exploded with the best depth in their long history.

Redman15
01-02-2008, 12:18 PM
I voted Turner again. He has put up good offensive numbers in his 1st two seasons and is a solid defensive player. He can play all infield positions and has even played some OF in Billings.

JaxRed
01-02-2008, 12:25 PM
Gardner. Turner's success has only been at Low A ball, Gardner did great at both High A and AA last year.

princeton
01-02-2008, 12:33 PM
Ramon Ramirez.

If the Reds are protecting a little RHPer, then he surely has game.

AmarilloRed
01-02-2008, 12:50 PM
A 2.38 ERA and 1.20 WHIP at AAA last year should get Marcus McBeth voted in. He still needs to do it at the major league level, however.

Danny Serafini
01-02-2008, 01:17 PM
I think people might have gotten scared by McBeth's struggles in Cincinnati, that's about the only reason for him to have slipped this far. It's easier to be down on someone who has struggled than someone who hasn't yet had the chance. Considering that the odds say the majority of the prospects already picked ahead of him won't make it to the Majors, it seems odd to ignore the guy that actually has.

dougdirt
01-02-2008, 01:58 PM
A 2.38 ERA and 1.20 WHIP at AAA last year should get Marcus McBeth voted in. He still needs to do it at the major league level, however.

While his numbers looked bad in Cincinnati last year, they weren't nearly as bad as they looked at face value.

TOBTTReds
01-02-2008, 02:19 PM
While his numbers looked bad in Cincinnati last year, they weren't nearly as bad as they looked at face value.

Yeah, I think he was pretty unlucky. I hope for better things from him in the future...but I still went with Dickerson.

Kc61
01-02-2008, 02:40 PM
While his numbers looked bad in Cincinnati last year, they weren't nearly as bad as they looked at face value.


I guess he's another bad luck victim. Lots of bad luck floating around last year. Unless you were Harang, Weathers, or Burton, they somehow had good luck.

Expected more from McBeth after the Deno trade. Was happy with McB as the return, he looked great on paper as an A's prospect. Still, he did pretty well at AAA, he may have a future.

Lecure was, I think, number 12 on BA's Reds list last year, he did well as a 23 year old at AA this year injuries and all, just don't see him falling this far. I expect the new BA list and other lists will have him in the top twenty.

camisadelgolf
01-02-2008, 03:17 PM
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I agree that Marcus McBeth has been underrated, though.

dougdirt
01-02-2008, 03:52 PM
I guess he's another bad luck victim. Lots of bad luck floating around last year. Unless you were Harang, Weathers, or Burton, they somehow had good luck.

Expected more from McBeth after the Deno trade. Was happy with McB as the return, he looked great on paper as an A's prospect. Still, he did pretty well at AAA, he may have a future.

Lecure was, I think, number 12 on BA's Reds list last year, he did well as a 23 year old at AA this year injuries and all, just don't see him falling this far. I expect the new BA list and other lists will have him in the top twenty.

Small sample size for McBeth. He had a decent hit rate, solid walk and strikeout rates and kept the ball in the yard. He shows a 5.95 ERA, but his numbers are much better than that would suggest.

*BaseClogger*
01-02-2008, 03:54 PM
Gardner. Turner's success has only been at Low A ball, Gardner did great at both High A and AA last year.

You never voted for Gardner

Mario-Rijo
01-02-2008, 05:44 PM
I'll vote for Dickerson as soon as I see a recent scouting report that says his supposed lack of avg bat speed isn't going to be his death nail. I think if you don't have it as a baseball player you might as well not have arms. It may actually be worse than a pitcher with well below avg velocity. Other than that issue he is far and away better than anyone on the list at this point.

Ramirez interests me but I don't know quite enough to form an opinion.

I am encouraged by what I have heard about Lutz recently on his thread. But not enough to vote him over McBeth who was indeed unlucky, as unlucky as Weathers was lucky.

I still think he needs some polish but I think I would have voted for him sooner if not for Viola taking so long to get in. So McBeth it is for me.

11larkin11
01-02-2008, 05:48 PM
Scott Carroll for me,again

JaxRed
01-02-2008, 06:56 PM
You never voted for Gardner


I have now..... I like to wait till the suburban precincts report.

Kc61
01-02-2008, 08:00 PM
Small sample size for McBeth. He had a decent hit rate, solid walk and strikeout rates and kept the ball in the yard. He shows a 5.95 ERA, but his numbers are much better than that would suggest.

May have avoided homers, but McBeth was an extreme fly ball pitcher in limited major league action, 33 fly outs to only 10 ground outs. Don't know if that pattern was shown in the minor leagues over the years.

PS -- did show fly ball tendencies in minors in 2006 and 2007 based on go/fo ratio.

BoydsOfSummer
01-02-2008, 11:55 PM
All these C-Grade guys are interchangeable mostly at this point. Depends on what you like. I think McBeth has a nice shot at a decent middle relief guy.

Ron Madden
01-03-2008, 01:21 AM
Sam LeCure gets my vote again.

In fact I believe LeCure deserves to be in the top 12.

;)

*BaseClogger*
01-03-2008, 01:31 AM
could somebody explain to me how you can vote for Herrera over McBeth?

dougdirt
01-03-2008, 02:02 AM
could somebody explain to me how you can vote for Herrera over McBeth?

Shiny new toy syndrome?

Highlifeman21
01-03-2008, 07:48 AM
could somebody explain to me how you can vote for Herrera over McBeth?

Click the little circle next to his name, and then scroll down and hit "submit", or whatever it says to lock in your vote.

Kind of an easy procedure, if you ask me.

*BaseClogger*
01-03-2008, 02:06 PM
Click the little circle next to his name, and then scroll down and hit "submit", or whatever it says to lock in your vote.

Kind of an easy procedure, if you ask me.

Oops, I accidently clicked Gardner's "little circle" :)

11larkin11
01-03-2008, 04:26 PM
could somebody explain to me how you can vote for Herrera over McBeth?

Cuz hes a lefty with a screwball. Duh!

Lefty+Screwball+5'6=Coolest Pitcher EVER

gedred69
01-03-2008, 06:24 PM
What!? No Bartles yet?

Superdude
01-03-2008, 06:32 PM
Lecure action. He appears to have decent enough ability to eat some innings on the back end of the rotation. McBeth is the safest bet left, but he looks more like a middle relief type...not the 8th inning guy I was hoping for.

dougdirt
01-03-2008, 06:33 PM
What!? No Bartles yet?

My bad. He is going into the rotation for the next poll.

Mario-Rijo
01-03-2008, 06:53 PM
Lecure action. He appears to have decent enough ability to eat some innings on the back end of the rotation. McBeth is the safest bet left, but he looks more like a middle relief type...not the 8th inning guy I was hoping for.


Here is BA's scouting report at the time of trade. If his slider continues to develop he could easily still be that 8th inning guy.


McBeth, 26, originally signed as an outfielder in 2001, drafted in the fourth round out of South Carolina. A former kick returner for the Gamecocks' football program, McBeth always stood out most for his arm strength. When he hit the wall offensively in high Class A in 2004, the A's moved him to the mound the following season. His primary weapon is a mid-90s fastball, and he also has a mid-80s slider that grades as a plus pitch at times. He's still working on his command and a changeup to keep lefthanders in check, but he's close to big league-ready. McBeth has a 1-0, 1.80 record and five saves in eight appearances at Triple-A Sacramento. In 10 innings, he has a 6-3 K-BB ratio, .200 opponent average and two homers allowed. He ranked fifth in the minors with 32 saves in 2006.

Superdude
01-04-2008, 12:21 AM
His primary weapon is a mid-90s fastball, and he also has a mid-80s slider that grades as a plus pitch at times. He's still working on his command and a changeup to keep lefthanders in check

Did you ever see McBeth in the mid 90's last year? 90-92 with his changeup is enough to succeed, but I don't know what happened to the fastball everyone was talking about.

dougdirt
01-04-2008, 12:34 AM
Did you ever see McBeth in the mid 90's last year? 90-92 with his changeup is enough to succeed, but I don't know what happened to the fastball everyone was talking about.

His player chart shows him with a wide range of speeds for his fastball between about 87-96 MPH
http://baseball.bornbybits.com/plots/Marcus_McBeth.html
http://baseball.bornbybits.com/plots/gifs/Marcus_McBeth2.gif

Joseph
01-04-2008, 10:56 AM
I've been voting for Lutz the last few now.