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RBA
01-02-2008, 02:12 PM
January 1, 2008
USC makes its case with rout of Illinois in Rose


Gerry Ahern
Yahoo! Sports
MORE: Box score (http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/boxscore?gid=200801010062) | Rivals.com Bowl Central (http://collegefootball.rivals.com/content.asp?SID=1144&CID=751501) PASADENA, Calif. - For the USC Trojans, this Rose Bowl wasn't just about winning.
It was about attracting attention with prolific offense, dominating defense and ridiculous celebrations actions that would send a message to the college football world.
The best-laid plans of the Bowl Championship Series and decorum be damned, the Trojans screamed. Showtime was back in L.A., and any talk about the national championship shouldn't be centered solely on Ohio State and LSU.
http://vmedia.rivals.com/IMAGES/Player/video/JDBROSE250.JPGhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/spacer1.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/spacer1.gifQuarterback John David Booty helped USC roll up huge offensive numbers against Illinois. "I would love to play one more," defensive lineman Sedrick Ellis (http://collegefootball.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=7696) said. "I don't think any team in the NCAA could beat us right now."
Four minutes and three seconds into what would become a 49-17 rout of Illinois on Tuesday, notice was served. The swagger that Stanford had stolen from USC was back. Afterward, you had to wonder: could Pete Carroll (http://collegefootball.rivals.com/viewcoach.asp?Coach=703)'s brash team bust up the BCS and earn an Associated Press national title?
Chauncey Washington (http://collegefootball.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=7767) offered an answer when he hauled in an 8-yard touchdown pass from John David Booty (http://collegefootball.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=7679) on USC's opening possession. The nine-play, 72-yard drive turned the SC sideline into a chorus line.
Two minutes later, Desmond Reed (http://collegefootball.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=7741) shouted a response. He somersaulted into the end zone, spiked the ball and incited the crowd after hauling in a 34-yard option pass for USC's second touchdown.
Freshman Joe McKnight (http://collegefootball.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=83623) weighed in with 125 yards rushing on 10 carries, 45 yards receiving and a touchdown.
Linebacker Rey Maualuga (http://collegefootball.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=52514) had something to say with three sacks and an interception.
USC racked up 633 yards of total offense, scored seven touchdowns and had one fired-up coach.
In his postgame news conference, Carroll indicated he wouldn't campaign for a split championship or beat the drum for a playoff system as an alternative to the BCS.
But he couldn't hide his true feelings.
"Would we love to still be playing right now? Sure would," Carroll said. "We'd go out there any time, any place, any venue and throw our football out there and see what we could do.

USC 49, Illinois 17

"Let the argument go on out there for the people who are battling the BCS process to try and figure it out. I don't know, and I have no answers for them. I just wish we could keep playing. And I know these guys do, too."
After letting the Illini climb within 11 points in the third quarter, USC stepped on the accelerator. Powering to their fifth consecutive win, the Trojans seem to be playing as well as any team in the land.
Will the skidmarks they left on the Illini serve as a springboard to a split championship?
The BCS did its best to seal the Trojans' fate by pitting them against Illinois instead of Georgia in the Rose Bowl. The rigged system hoped to quell any chance for controversy over the validity of the Jan. 7 championship game. Instead it served to deny the nation a more interesting Rose matchup that would have better quantified how good USC and Georgia are.
So the Trojans proceeded to pile up a 32-point win over the Illini, 9-4 and the second-best team from a sketchy Big Ten. Meanwhile, the Bulldogs whipped overmatched Hawaii in the Sugar Bowl - just as everyone expected they would.
Not exactly food for thought.
One could argue that USC (11-2) looks better at this stage than Ohio State (11-1). The Buckeyes were beaten by this same Illini team just seven weeks ago in Columbus. It could be debated that the Trojans are superior to LSU (11-2), which bowed to a mediocre Arkansas team on Nov. 23.
With the BCS instead of a playoff, we'll never know.
A USC leap is highly unlikely. In addition to jumping Ohio State and LSU, the Trojans would have to hurdle Georgia and Oklahoma. The Sooners also seem to be peaking, and they are favored to defeat West Virginia in the Fiesta Bowl.
USC can only hope that Ohio State and LSU get bogged down and slog along on Bourbon Street, and the Buckeyes escape with an ugly, narrow victory.
That still won't be enough.
Why? USC would have two losses to Ohio State's one. Say what you will about the Buckeyes' creampuff scheduling (Youngstown State, Akron and Kent State) and the crummy Big Ten.
It doesn't offset the Trojans' Cardinal sin. National champions do not lose to 41-point underdogs. At home. Against a backup quarterback making his first start.
Even the raucous events at the Rose Bowl can't change that.

MORE: Rivals.com Bowl Central (http://collegefootball.rivals.com/content.asp?SID=1144&CID=751501)

cumberlandreds
01-02-2008, 02:17 PM
They lost to a very very bad Stanford team. End of national championship hopes,period.

WMR
01-02-2008, 02:24 PM
Yep, don't lose at home to Stanford.

BRM
01-02-2008, 02:25 PM
USC would probably be favored if they were to play LSU or OSU.

WMR
01-02-2008, 02:26 PM
USC would probably be favored if they were to play LSU or OSU.

Hey how did your Hoosiers do in their bowl game?

BRM
01-02-2008, 02:26 PM
Hey how did your Hoosiers do in their bowl game?

Extremely lousy.

WMR
01-02-2008, 02:27 PM
Extremely lousy.

I thought that was going to be a tough match-up for them.

BRM
01-02-2008, 02:29 PM
I honestly thought they would keep it close but I was obviously wrong.

Back on topic - who wins if USC plays either of the two in the NC game in your opinion?

traderumor
01-02-2008, 02:53 PM
The BCS did its best to seal the Trojans' fate by pitting them against Illinois instead of Georgia in the Rose Bowl. The rigged system hoped to quell any chance for controversy over the validity of the Jan. 7 championship game. Now there's some objective writing. Try, "While there was no shame in losing to a full-strength Oregon team, which was once a NC contender themselves, losing to lowly Stanford is not the type of thing a championship caliber team should ever let happen. So the Trojans have no one to blame but themselves for the matchup produced by the BCS system."

bucksfan2
01-02-2008, 03:11 PM
I may be the only one but I thought the Rose Bowl was closer than the score indicated. Illinois had a reciever fumble the ball into the endzone with the score at 21-10. If Illinois doesn't fumble and takes the ball in the endzone it is 21-17 with Illinois having a ton of momentum. I think shortly there after USC got extremely lucky with a backwards pass that bounced up perfectly to their RB. Those two plays go a different way that game may have been a whole lot more intersting.

Chip R
01-02-2008, 03:20 PM
Now there's some objective writing. Try, "While there was no shame in losing to a full-strength Oregon team, which was once a NC contender themselves, losing to lowly Stanford is not the type of thing a championship caliber team should ever let happen. So the Trojans have no one to blame but themselves for the matchup produced by the BCS system."


Very true. I'm sure the same writer had no problems defending USC's shared national championship a few years back.

Not to get into the playoff vs. bowls debate again but it'd be interesting to see how a team like USC would fare in a playoff.

WMR
01-02-2008, 03:20 PM
I honestly thought they would keep it close but I was obviously wrong.

Back on topic - who wins if USC plays either of the two in the NC game in your opinion?

I think USC would beat them both.

That team I saw on the field yesterday was seriously GOOD.

However, taking them out of the Rose Bowl and putting them in LSU's backyard would probably give LSU a somewhat better chance of beating them.

I agree, however, that USC would likely be favored against LSU and OSU.

BuckeyeRed27
01-02-2008, 03:24 PM
I went to the Rose Bowl yesterday and agree with bucksfan. The score board obviously doesn't indicate it, but USC didn't win by that much. They certainly dominated the first half. Illinois has a very bad game plan and were playing into USCs strength. They made some nice adjustments, but really shot themselves in the foot. USC got a couple of nice bounces (the lateral to McKnight, the ball the bounced right to the USC reciever on the first drive) and had that horrendous PI call before the TD pass to Fred Davis.
Now USC is a better team than Illinois and certainly deserved to win, but it wasn't as much of a blow out as that score indicates.

As far as USC saying they should be in the NC talk, as some other posters have said, you have to beat Stanford.

Highlifeman21
01-02-2008, 03:25 PM
USC ran over a pathetic Illinois team, and Georgia ran over a Hawaii team that isn't ready to leave the kiddie table.

We debated in the Highlifeman21 household yesterday who had the worst day, Juice Williams or Colt Brennan?

My vote was Juice, b/c he just showed no talent at all, whereas Hawaii's O-line played a combination of matador and revolving door style of football, resulting in Colt Brennan picking himself up off the turf all game. Give Colt time to throw, and he would have produced. Juice is a 1 trick pony (fast QB that can't throw the ball) who's trick was quickly spoiled by USC.

As for Pete Carroll's comments, he's right. If his team were in a playoff, they would be right there at the end. Unfortunately Pete, your boys lost 2 games they had no business losing, so you're stuck playing an Illinois team who had no business in the Rose Bowl.

jmcclain19
01-02-2008, 03:26 PM
I think Georgia & USC would win out in a playoff system were it played this post season. Both teams look like unstoppable juggernauts of late.

Handofdeath
01-02-2008, 03:33 PM
Extremely lousy.

As bad as they can play at times, you absolutely, positively do not want to play Oklahoma State on one of their good days. They are going to be a force to be seriously reckoned with very soon and oilman alumnus T. Boone Pickens is pouring(and I do mean pouring) enough money into the university to make everything state of the art. I know the University of Oklahoma is watching very closely.

Chip R
01-02-2008, 03:39 PM
USC ran over a pathetic Illinois team, and Georgia ran over a Hawaii team that isn't ready to leave the kiddie table.

We debated in the Highlifeman21 household yesterday who had the worst day, Juice Williams or Colt Brennan?

My vote was Juice, b/c he just showed no talent at all, whereas Hawaii's O-line played a combination of matador and revolving door style of football, resulting in Colt Brennan picking himself up off the turf all game. Give Colt time to throw, and he would have produced. Juice is a 1 trick pony (fast QB that can't throw the ball) who's trick was quickly spoiled by USC.



I can only speak for the Sugar Bowl game as I only saw about a minute of the Rose Bowl but Hawaii was definitely outclassed by Georgia. Brennan may have not had a lot of time to throw but it's different playing against one of the top teams in arguably the toughest conferences in college football than it is playing the Little Sisters of the Poor. I think Brennan's stock dropped a whole bunch last night. I think he's gone from cinch 1st rounder to a maybe 2nd rounder. The kid has a good arm and can scramble a bit but he's going to have to step it up if he wants to play on Sundays. If you're a GM could you actually justify paying 1st round money to someone who played a game like that against superior competition?



I think Georgia & USC would win out in a playoff system were it played this post season. Both teams look like unstoppable juggernauts of late.


Georgia lost to what a lot of people feel is an overrated LSU team in Atlanta. They also played a team last night that shouldn't have been on the same field with them. I could name 5 1-AA schools that would have given Georgia a better game than Hawaii did. It was like watching St. X against a Jr. High team. I admit they looked strong and I like that RB Merino but that wasn't a true test last night.

GAC
01-02-2008, 04:44 PM
Wow! Routing an Illinois team, when every Mother's son predicted that was going to be the outcome, somehow raises USC's NC considerations? I'm scratching my head on that one.

Look what Georgia, who I think got screwed by the BCS, did to undefeated Hawaii and "superman" Colt Brennan? ;)

Puffy
01-02-2008, 04:50 PM
Knowshon Moreno is one heck of a back. Remember the name next year cause he could very well be the second ever sophomore to win the Heisman.

Hollcat
01-03-2008, 01:48 PM
If USC has a case to be national champs then doesn't W Virginia now have just as good a case.

If the Pac10 and B10 weren't so set on playing each other in the Rose Bowl (when it's not the championship game) then maybe USC could have gotten a better opponent to help make a win look a little more impressive.

RedFanAlways1966
01-03-2008, 08:57 PM
They lost to a very very bad Stanford team. End of national championship hopes,period.

Bye, bye... Title.

http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2007/1007/ncf_a_bradford_195.jpg

15fan
01-04-2008, 02:37 PM
I may be the only one but I thought the Rose Bowl was closer than the score indicated. Illinois had a reciever fumble the ball into the endzone with the score at 21-10. If Illinois doesn't fumble and takes the ball in the endzone it is 21-17 with Illinois having a ton of momentum. I think shortly there after USC got extremely lucky with a backwards pass that bounced up perfectly to their RB. Those two plays go a different way that game may have been a whole lot more intersting.

You're not the only one.

21-17 with Illinois scoring 2 TDs on their first 2 possessions of the 2nd half and I think you have a slugfest the rest of the way.

But the Illini fumbled, then crumbled.

Here's the thing I don't get about Georgia: They didn't even win their division in the SEC. Yet they deserved national title consideration?

Georgia lost at home to a South Carolina team that didn't go to a bowl. They also got manhandled when they went to Knoxville.

They bring a lot of talent back next year, and their early schedule is certainly favorable (vs. Georgia Southern, vs. Central Michigan, @ South Carolina, @ Arizona State, vs. Alabama, vs. Tennessee, vs. Vanderbilt). Don't think it's a stretch that they will likely be 7-0 before they head into this stretch of games:

10/25 @ LSU
11/1 vs. Florida (in Jax)
11/8 @ Kentucky
11/15 @ Auburn
11/22 vs. Georgia Tech

4 straight conference games away from home before closing w/ GT.

Schedule-makers didn't do them any favors the way their schedule is backloaded next year.

Chip R
01-04-2008, 02:52 PM
Here's the thing I don't get about Georgia: They didn't even win their division in the SEC. Yet they deserved national title consideration?



There's something to be said for getting better as the season progresses and for getting hot at the right time. Playoff advocates point that out as an example of how a team that didn't fare so well during the regular season could be the best team by the time the playoffs started. If you had a playoff system that included at-large teams, you could make a case for picking Georgia over Tennessee even though they lost in Knoxville. Kind of like how Kansas made it to the Orange Bowl over Mizzou even though Mizzou beat them.

I don't think even the most ardent Georgia supporters believe they should win the BCS Championship this year. It's all spin for next season. When people vote in the polls before the season starts, they are going to remember Georgia manhandling Hawaii. It leaves an impression. It's not necessarily logical but that's what happens.

5DOLLAR-BLEACHERBUM
01-04-2008, 04:52 PM
If USC has a case to be national champs then doesn't W Virginia now have just as good a case.

If the Pac10 and B10 weren't so set on playing each other in the Rose Bowl (when it's not the championship game) then maybe USC could have gotten a better opponent to help make a win look a little more impressive.If USC deserves a shot at the title so does Hawaii, they only lost to Georgia who is much better than Stanford.:D

OnBaseMachine
01-04-2008, 06:47 PM
The game wasn't that close. Illinois had a nice little 5-6 minutes in the third quarter but USC dominated the rest of the way.

BTW, we lost to Stanford=therefore we don't deserve to win a NC. I have no problem admitting that. It's the truth.

cincrazy
01-04-2008, 07:06 PM
Oregon wasn't even close to full strength at the time of their win over USC. They were ravaged with injuries even before Dennis Dixon went down. They were missing at least two of their top wideouts, and their backup RB who was very talented.

I'm sick of people drooling over USC. They played a schedule every bit as weak as OSU's, and their signature win on the year was over Arizona State, the same Arizona State team that got smoked by Texas.

If OSU loses to Northwestern at home, everyone would have been quick to shovel the dirt on the program.

It's amazing that USC can lose to Stanford, and that the national media even mentions them in the same breath as the national title.


January 1, 2008
USC makes its case with rout of Illinois in Rose


Gerry Ahern
Yahoo! Sports
MORE: Box score (http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/boxscore?gid=200801010062) | Rivals.com Bowl Central (http://collegefootball.rivals.com/content.asp?SID=1144&CID=751501) PASADENA, Calif. - For the USC Trojans, this Rose Bowl wasn't just about winning.
It was about attracting attention with prolific offense, dominating defense and ridiculous celebrations actions that would send a message to the college football world.
The best-laid plans of the Bowl Championship Series and decorum be damned, the Trojans screamed. Showtime was back in L.A., and any talk about the national championship shouldn't be centered solely on Ohio State and LSU.
http://vmedia.rivals.com/IMAGES/Player/video/JDBROSE250.JPGhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/spacer1.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/spacer1.gifQuarterback John David Booty helped USC roll up huge offensive numbers against Illinois. "I would love to play one more," defensive lineman Sedrick Ellis (http://collegefootball.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=7696) said. "I don't think any team in the NCAA could beat us right now."
Four minutes and three seconds into what would become a 49-17 rout of Illinois on Tuesday, notice was served. The swagger that Stanford had stolen from USC was back. Afterward, you had to wonder: could Pete Carroll (http://collegefootball.rivals.com/viewcoach.asp?Coach=703)'s brash team bust up the BCS and earn an Associated Press national title?
Chauncey Washington (http://collegefootball.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=7767) offered an answer when he hauled in an 8-yard touchdown pass from John David Booty (http://collegefootball.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=7679) on USC's opening possession. The nine-play, 72-yard drive turned the SC sideline into a chorus line.
Two minutes later, Desmond Reed (http://collegefootball.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=7741) shouted a response. He somersaulted into the end zone, spiked the ball and incited the crowd after hauling in a 34-yard option pass for USC's second touchdown.
Freshman Joe McKnight (http://collegefootball.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=83623) weighed in with 125 yards rushing on 10 carries, 45 yards receiving and a touchdown.
Linebacker Rey Maualuga (http://collegefootball.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=52514) had something to say with three sacks and an interception.
USC racked up 633 yards of total offense, scored seven touchdowns and had one fired-up coach.
In his postgame news conference, Carroll indicated he wouldn't campaign for a split championship or beat the drum for a playoff system as an alternative to the BCS.
But he couldn't hide his true feelings.
"Would we love to still be playing right now? Sure would," Carroll said. "We'd go out there any time, any place, any venue and throw our football out there and see what we could do.

USC 49, Illinois 17

"Let the argument go on out there for the people who are battling the BCS process to try and figure it out. I don't know, and I have no answers for them. I just wish we could keep playing. And I know these guys do, too."
After letting the Illini climb within 11 points in the third quarter, USC stepped on the accelerator. Powering to their fifth consecutive win, the Trojans seem to be playing as well as any team in the land.
Will the skidmarks they left on the Illini serve as a springboard to a split championship?
The BCS did its best to seal the Trojans' fate by pitting them against Illinois instead of Georgia in the Rose Bowl. The rigged system hoped to quell any chance for controversy over the validity of the Jan. 7 championship game. Instead it served to deny the nation a more interesting Rose matchup that would have better quantified how good USC and Georgia are.
So the Trojans proceeded to pile up a 32-point win over the Illini, 9-4 and the second-best team from a sketchy Big Ten. Meanwhile, the Bulldogs whipped overmatched Hawaii in the Sugar Bowl - just as everyone expected they would.
Not exactly food for thought.
One could argue that USC (11-2) looks better at this stage than Ohio State (11-1). The Buckeyes were beaten by this same Illini team just seven weeks ago in Columbus. It could be debated that the Trojans are superior to LSU (11-2), which bowed to a mediocre Arkansas team on Nov. 23.
With the BCS instead of a playoff, we'll never know.
A USC leap is highly unlikely. In addition to jumping Ohio State and LSU, the Trojans would have to hurdle Georgia and Oklahoma. The Sooners also seem to be peaking, and they are favored to defeat West Virginia in the Fiesta Bowl.
USC can only hope that Ohio State and LSU get bogged down and slog along on Bourbon Street, and the Buckeyes escape with an ugly, narrow victory.
That still won't be enough.
Why? USC would have two losses to Ohio State's one. Say what you will about the Buckeyes' creampuff scheduling (Youngstown State, Akron and Kent State) and the crummy Big Ten.
It doesn't offset the Trojans' Cardinal sin. National champions do not lose to 41-point underdogs. At home. Against a backup quarterback making his first start.
Even the raucous events at the Rose Bowl can't change that.

MORE: Rivals.com Bowl Central (http://collegefootball.rivals.com/content.asp?SID=1144&CID=751501)

OnBaseMachine
01-04-2008, 07:28 PM
I'm sick of people drooling over USC. They played a schedule every bit as weak as OSU's, and their signature win on the year was over Arizona State, the same Arizona State team that got smoked by Texas.


According to Sagarin's SOS rankings, USC played the 32nd toughest schedule and OSU's was 62nd.

GAC
01-04-2008, 08:00 PM
If USC has a case to be national champs then doesn't W Virginia now have just as good a case.

After what Oklahoma did to Missouri in the title, I never thought WV would have a chance vs the Sooners after choking big time at home vs Pitt and then losing their head coach. I figured they'd be somewhat in disarray.

But those boys came out to play.

BuckeyeRed27
01-04-2008, 08:03 PM
According to Sagarin's SOS rankings, USC played the 32nd toughest schedule and OSU's was 62nd.

I think the point that could be made here is that with these bowl games it starts to look more and more like USC's schedule may have been weaker than it appeared at the end of the season and OSU's was a little tougher.

cincrazy
01-04-2008, 08:26 PM
But looking back, was USC's schedule really that much tougher, or even tougher at all? They lost to an Oregon team that was severely undermanned, and suffered one of the most embarrassing losses ever with the loss to Stanford.

After that they beat an Arizona State team that was extremely overrated, a UCLA team that lost to Notre Dame (I need say no more about that team), and nearly lost to a Washington team that OSU blew away in the second half.

I just don't see any marquee wins for USC to stand on. They're a good team, no question about it. But overall, their body of work is extremely underwhelming, and they're getting the benefit of the doubt thanks to the Palmer-Leinart-Bush days.


According to Sagarin's SOS rankings, USC played the 32nd toughest schedule and OSU's was 62nd.

5DOLLAR-BLEACHERBUM
01-04-2008, 08:40 PM
But looking back, was USC's schedule really that much tougher, or even tougher at all? They lost to an Oregon team that was severely undermanned, and suffered one of the most embarrassing losses ever with the loss to Stanford.

After that they beat an Arizona State team that was extremely overrated, a UCLA team that lost to Notre Dame (I need say no more about that team), and nearly lost to a Washington team that OSU blew away in the second half.

I just don't see any marquee wins for USC to stand on. They're a good team, no question about it. But overall, their body of work is extremely underwhelming, and they're getting the benefit of the doubt thanks to the Palmer-Leinart-Bush days.Very well put, I am getting sick of all this crap. I mean if you look at the big picture, how many of these warm weather school could go into Wisconsin and win a bowl game on Jan 1, or into the horseshoe in December, or how about the Fiesta Bowl at Happy Valley. It's a joke, sure the SEC will have good bowl records against the big 10, THEY ARE PLAYING HOME GAMES! and if there not home games they are pretty close. It's pretty bad that it's a national championship game and a lower ranked team is favored to win soley due to the fact that it's basically a home game. I vote for one year where the Rose Bowl is held in the shoe, then we'll see how slow Ohio State is.

WMR
01-04-2008, 09:01 PM
Very well put, I am getting sick of all this crap. I mean if you look at the big picture, how many of these warm weather school could go into Wisconsin and win a bowl game on Jan 1, or into the horseshoe in December, or how about the Fiesta Bowl at Happy Valley. It's a joke, sure the SEC will have good bowl records against the big 10, THEY ARE PLAYING HOME GAMES! and if there not home games they are pretty close. It's pretty bad that it's a national championship game and a lower ranked team is favored to win soley due to the fact that it's basically a home game. I vote for one year where the Rose Bowl is held in the shoe, then we'll see how slow Ohio State is.

Getting your excuses all lined up?

WMR
01-04-2008, 09:02 PM
So that's the reason Ohio State is 0-8 all-time versus the SEC in bowl games. They didn't have enough CROWD SUPPORT. Gotcha.

cincrazy
01-04-2008, 09:27 PM
0-8 Smo-and eight. The previous eight matchups has nothing to do with January 7th, 2008. We're going to thump an SEC team on SEC turf in front of SEC fans, then maybe once and for all all of this ridiculous "the Big 10 is slow" crap will end.

How many pros have the Buckeyes produced in the last decade? Is Antoine Winfield slow? AJ Hawk? Nate Clements? Will Allen? Ashton Youbuty? Donte Whitner? Maurice Clarett? (Just kidding, although I'm sure he's a valuable member of the all-prison team wherever he is).

One bad game does not make a program. I seem to recall Florida getting hammered by Nebraska 62-24 in the mid-90's. Hmm, SEC speed, versus a team that ran the OPTION!

Where was that SEC speed then?


So that's the reason Ohio State is 0-8 all-time versus the SEC in bowl games. They didn't have enough CROWD SUPPORT. Gotcha.

5DOLLAR-BLEACHERBUM
01-04-2008, 11:12 PM
So that's the reason Ohio State is 0-8 all-time versus the SEC in bowl games. They didn't have enough CROWD SUPPORT. Gotcha.You honestly think that playing in your home state for a bowl game isn't an advantage. If you want to go back as far as a 1977 loss to a damn good Alabama team then how bout this. Since the 1895 season Ohio State is 4-0 against teams currently in the SEC.
1895 OSU defeats Kentucky 8-6
1908 OSU defeats Vandy 17-6
1909 OSU defeats Vandy 5-0
1919 OSU defeats Kentucky 49-0
Wow Ohio State only gave up 12 points to current SEC teams in a 24 year span, where was the speed. Things change and an 0-8 record means very little to me at this point given that 75% of those games were under a different head coach and only last years game against Florida had any of the same players who will be stepping on the field on monday. My point of my earlier post was that Big Ten teams and SEC teams play a different kind of football, and when you can't play in your teams environment in a bowl game thats the advantage a team has. Why do you think it's so hard to beat the Packers at Lambo.