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TC81190
01-02-2008, 07:28 PM
Would anybody be interested in a Redszone spinoff for football discussion? Namely the Bengals and Browns. I know there is here and the Peanut Gallery, but I think I'd like to have the football discussions filtered out, if I could. Plus, then the discussion could be more in depth, instead of general threads covering wide topics.

If there is interest, I could always make a free board for us to use.

MrCinatit
01-02-2008, 08:49 PM
There is a Bengals spin-off board (http://www.bengaldom.com/index.php), though it has not been active for a while.

Mario-Rijo
01-02-2008, 08:49 PM
Would anybody be interested in a Redszone spinoff for football discussion? Namely the Bengals and Browns. I know there is here and the Peanut Gallery, but I think I'd like to have the football discussions filtered out, if I could. Plus, then the discussion could be more in depth, instead of general threads covering wide topics.

If there is interest, I could always make a free board for us to use.

I certainly would the only 2 I frequent just don't cut it IMO.


However there might have to be a different name as Bengalszone has already been taken.

http://forums.bengalszone.com/index.php?showforum=2

TC81190
01-02-2008, 08:53 PM
I certainly would the only 2 I frequent just don't cut it IMO.


However there might have to be a different name as Bengalszone has already been taken.

http://forums.bengalszone.com/index.php?showforum=2

Yeah, I checked out Bengalzone. I'm not fond of it myself, either.

Mario-Rijo
01-02-2008, 08:55 PM
There is a Bengals spin-off board (http://www.bengaldom.com/index.php), though it has not been active for a while.

That's very cool, perhaps we should get it fired up again this offseason. Of course I am not going to let it interrupt my Reds thirst but I would like to use it.

paintmered
01-02-2008, 08:56 PM
A fellow Redszoner, Aceking started a board a few years ago. http://www.ohiosportsfans.com

It's not all that big, but the conversation is pretty good over there.

macro
01-03-2008, 11:34 AM
There is a Bengals spin-off board (http://www.bengaldom.com/index.php), though it has not been active for a while.

Bengaldom was created during the final weeks of the playoff run in 2005, and got off to a pretty good start. But it lay pretty-much dormant throughout the offseason, and as the 2006 season approached, most people returned to putting their Bengals threads in this forum.

I'd love to see that site revived using this site as a model, which is what I think ochre had in mind when he and others created it.

Here (http://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=40316) is the RedsZone thread that led to the creation of Bengaldom, and here (http://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=49160) is a thread we had in the fall of 2006 about Bengals boards. The first thread is dated at this point, because the Huddles site that is referenced in it no longer exists.

Blitz Dorsey
01-16-2008, 05:09 PM
Is there anything out there comparable to this site centered on the Bengals? (I know, I know, I have a need for pain.)

But seriously, would like to find a board similar to this one to talk some Bengals football from time to time. I use one called "BengalsJungle" and there is some good discussion on there, but it's not nearly as active as this site. I also know there is a message board on the official Bengals.com site, but I like independent boards/ones that are not owned by the team.

Any suggestions would be much appreciated. Thanks!

membengal
01-16-2008, 05:13 PM
I shot you a PM, blitz.

RedEye
01-16-2008, 05:14 PM
I've been looking for a Bengals equivalent as well... but I don't think it exists yet. CincyBengals.com sometimes has good stuff, but it seems to have a much smaller population of regular posters. I recently discovered MikeBrownSucks.com, too...

I certainly don't think there is a site out there with similar posting standards to the ORG (I know, I know, some people might think that's a good thing, but I tend to be a fan of the revisions recently implemented in the admittance system). Perhaps in consultation with GAC and Boss a few of us could put together something like RedsZone for long-suffering Bengals backers?

bucksfan2
01-16-2008, 05:16 PM
I have found that bengals talk is almost unbearable. RedsZone does a very good job of being a good sight to post on as well as a site that polices itself for the crude and just stupid posts. I have found that on most bengals sites the posters get passionate and begin to talk like hormone raging teenage boys.

membengal
01-16-2008, 05:20 PM
I am loathe to stick where I post on here as I don't want to appear to be spamming, but I do have a place. It is indeed full of the above mentioned problems that bucksfan has identified, but there are a core of decent thinkers on there that make it worth sorting through the chaff. I have posted there since December '04 and will be glad to send anyone a PM with the site.

Blitz Dorsey
01-16-2008, 05:21 PM
I figured you can't beat RedsZone, especially the ORG where you need some street cred in order to get in (which naturally eliminates most of the Richardheads out there). But I need something to fill my Bengals fix. I took mem's advice and registered at Bengalszone.com (who woulda thunkit? I ask for a Bengals version of Redszone and there's one called Bengalszone... it's always the last place you look).

Unassisted
01-16-2008, 05:50 PM
I ask for a Bengals version of Redszone and there's one called Bengalszone... it's always the last place you look).It seems that the management of that place takes a dim view of this place.

http://forums.bengalszone.com/lofiversion/index.php/t16659.html

membengal
01-16-2008, 05:53 PM
In fairness, I wouldn't vote any of those guys into ORG, and I am a member over there. I think Princeton is too...

WMR
01-16-2008, 05:54 PM
Honestly, the best Bengals talk I have found on the internet is right here in the non-baseball section of RZ.

NFL message boards are, generally, the absolute lowest form of discussion anywhere on the internet, which is really saying something! :laugh:

blumj
01-16-2008, 08:33 PM
Honestly, the best Bengals talk I have found on the internet is right here in the non-baseball section of RZ.

NFL message boards are, generally, the absolute lowest form of discussion anywhere on the internet, which is really saying something! :laugh:
Yeah, I think a lot of baseball sites have better NFL sections than most NFL boards. Some of them are more multi-team than others, but I'd rather talk general NFL with fans of other teams than "brave the elements" in that creepy world.

TC81190
01-16-2008, 08:48 PM
I agree with WilyMo, the best online Bengals talk there is, is here. I've been to BengalsZone, and let's just say...it doesn't meet the same standards as RedsZone, that's for sure. RedsZone also looks alot nicer and more organized too, I think.

Screwball
01-16-2008, 09:10 PM
I am loathe to stick where I post on here as I don't want to appear to be spamming, but I do have a place. It is indeed full of the above mentioned problems that bucksfan has identified, but there are a core of decent thinkers on there that make it worth sorting through the chaff. I have posted there since December '04 and will be glad to send anyone a PM with the site.

CarsonCity knows what you're talking about.:cool:

But yeah, I used to post a bunch on Bengals.com boards, but once it got to be popular it became virtually unreadable (think reds.com). I then went to bengalszone.com, and enjoyed it for a little while, but as soon as this past losing season hit, bam, out with any sort of analytical approach to how the players performed, and in with "FIRE MARVIN! MIKE BROWN STEP DOWN!" etc etc. Like mem said, there are a few very good posters on there that provide ORG-level discussion, but it's become unreadable for the most part as well, IMO.

I'm with WilyMo. I've found the non-baseball chatter right here on Redszone to provide the most intelligent group discussion on the Bengals. For very good work from a blogger, try cincyjungle.com. Josh Kirkendall does an excellent job and you're free to leave comments on his topics. Unfortunately hardly anybody ever does. (Sorry for the plugs, just trying to help out.)

TC81190
01-16-2008, 09:14 PM
I'm just going to through this out there, but...

Would the admins be opposed to a bengals.redszone.com?

kentjett
01-16-2008, 09:23 PM
Bengalszone is comparable to redszone in a lot of aspects. They have really good moderators and you don't have the ignorant people trying to talk crap (every once in awhile you'll have one). Their home page is more creative and their forum is set-up very similiar to this site. It really comes down to prefernce which is whatever anybody is used too. I like both and they both do their job in a professional way. I do think it is pretty stupid to limit members to certain threads due to post amounts. It just seems like a lazy way to run a forum. If you keep up w/ your forum, you can find the idiots and eliminate them as they come w/ out missing a beat. I've been on this forum for awhile and never signed up because I don't post much and I never thought I could ever get up to the amount necessary to post w/ the norms. There is hardly any Bengals talk on this board, so comparing bengals talk hear to their is like comparing reds talk here to bengalszone. Bottom line, come here for the best reds talk and go to Bengalszone for the best Bengals talk.

Yachtzee
01-16-2008, 09:43 PM
I agree in that I enjoy talking football here more than elsewhere. I've frequented www.bengalsjungle.com and www.go-bengals.com and, while I find both good for getting Bengals tidbits, it gets tiring sorting through all the "Mike Brown is the root of all evil" vs. "Mike Brown and Marvin Lewis are trying to turn things around" debates. There seems to be more animosity between posters who like the same team on those boards than you see here with posters from opposing teams and people generally try to back up their arguments with analysis rather than name calling.

Playadlc
01-16-2008, 10:09 PM
What about adding a Bengals section to this forum?

TC81190
01-16-2008, 10:18 PM
What about adding a Bengals section to this forum?

That's something I'd definitely be on board with. But I imagine Boss would like this section to cover that. Maybe, though, I'm wrong.

Redsfaithful
01-16-2008, 11:42 PM
http://forum.go-bengals.com/

Isn't too bad, but realistically it is really hard to find football discussion at the same level as baseball on the internet.

I think there are a lot of reasons for that, but one is probably the fact that football is a really complex sport, and the average fan has a pretty shallow understanding of what's going on. A lot of what happens in football is invisible too (like literally, often you don't see really important parts of the field on television), while in baseball pretty much everything is out there.

Would be interesting to know if hockey and basketball boards out there are more like baseball sites or football sites. If they tend towards the football sites then I'd guess that the speed of the game has something to do with it as well.

Lot easier to form communities around baseball, a slow game with lots of downtime (which means lots of time to get to know each other).

Cedric
01-17-2008, 12:08 AM
http://forum.go-bengals.com/

Isn't too bad, but realistically it is really hard to find football discussion at the same level as baseball on the internet.

I think there are a lot of reasons for that, but one is probably the fact that football is a really complex sport, and the average fan has a pretty shallow understanding of what's going on. A lot of what happens in football is invisible too (like literally, often you don't see really important parts of the field on television), while in baseball pretty much everything is out there.

Would be interesting to know if hockey and basketball boards out there are more like baseball sites or football sites. If they tend towards the football sites then I'd guess that the speed of the game has something to do with it as well.

Lot easier to form communities around baseball, a slow game with lots of downtime (which means lots of time to get to know each other).

Agreed on all points. Baseball is still pitcher vs hitter and it's easy to define a players true worth. In football there are no numbers that can be used to define a players true worth at MANY positions.

It's just a complex sport and unless you've played it at a high level or coached you wouldn't have any idea how shallow most fans are.

blumj
01-17-2008, 12:29 AM
I like what football outsiders does, and they have some good discussion threads, but it's not really the same.

KronoRed
01-17-2008, 02:25 AM
It seems that the management of that place takes a dim view of this place.

http://forums.bengalszone.com/lofiversion/index.php/t16659.htmlGee what a shock.

WMR
01-17-2008, 02:27 AM
Having a Bengals sub-forum on this site would seriously kick ass.

Caveat Emperor
01-17-2008, 03:35 AM
Isn't too bad, but realistically it is really hard to find football discussion at the same level as baseball on the internet.

I think the other part of the reasons that football discussion boards are so awful is because the "reaction" noise is so much worse.

In a 16 game season, a 2 game losing streak seems like the end of the world, and most boards find their fans ready to either jump into traffic after losses. Talk turns to firing the head coach or GM at the first sign of trouble and benching players after a bad quarter. Announcers and Analysts feed into this -- a good victory in Week 1 turns the talk towards "They're going to win it all", a bad loss in Week 2 and suddenly the talk shifts to "Will this coaching staff survive the season?"

With baseball, it's much easier to take a macro view. You'll see a player suck for 10 games running and refer to it as a "slump" that will be played through. You can evaluate things month to month instead of game-to-game.

Plus, I think the demographics work against football. Most baseball boards I read seem to have a good mix of people from all age groups -- young, middle-aged, old, and RFS62. That tends to keep discussion on a fairly even keel. That doesn't exist as much on NFL boards I've visited, which it seems skew much younger.

Just my thoughts, at any rate.

BuckeyeRedleg
01-17-2008, 11:01 AM
Any semi-intelligent Bengal site where I don't have to scroll through full pages of soft-porn in order to read posts would be great.

Degenerate39
01-17-2008, 12:17 PM
It would be a pretty cool idea to have a Bengals sub forum on the site for everyone to post on. But I can live with just talking about the Bengals on the Non-Baseball Chatter.

Screwball
01-17-2008, 12:19 PM
Most baseball boards I read seem to have a good mix of people from all age groups -- young, middle-aged, old, and RFS62.

:laugh: Well played.

You and RedsFaithful make some very good points. I can remember several times during a baseball game-thread a poster would say something like, "The pitcher really set up his splitter well with that fastball on an 0-1 count," or "His release point seems to be a little late and that accounts for his wildness. He needs to make an adjustment," or things to that effect. I have never once during a football game-thread seen somebody say, "That swim move the DE made was perfectly timed and allowed him to get to the QB," or "The LBer hit the A-gap like he was shot out of a cannon." I think the depth of knowledge each sport's fans have are miles apart (at least on the internet) which makes it easier for a board like RZ or SOSH to exist, but much harder for their football equivalents to come about.

As for the noise reaction, yeah, that's why I can't even read the game-threads at those other football boards. Post after post on how a player (or coach, or a certain owner) sucks - even if it's true - isn't what helps to make a discussion board great. In fact, it only brings it down. There may not be as much activity on Bengals threads here as there are on the other boards, but I get much more out of reading RZ posts than I do the others', whether I agree with it or not.

Roy Tucker
01-17-2008, 12:40 PM
Brief aside...

This discussion of the heat of football vs. baseball reminds me of the George Carlin baseball/football comparison...



I enjoy comparing baseball and football:

Baseball is a nineteenth-century pastoral game.
Football is a twentieth-century technological struggle.

Baseball is played on a diamond, in a park.The baseball park!
Football is played on a gridiron, in a stadium, sometimes called Soldier Field or War Memorial Stadium.

Baseball begins in the spring, the season of new life.
Football begins in the fall, when everything's dying.

In football you wear a helmet.
In baseball you wear a cap.

Football is concerned with downs - what down is it?
Baseball is concerned with ups - who's up?

In football you receive a penalty.
In baseball you make an error.

In football the specialist comes in to kick.
In baseball the specialist comes in to relieve somebody.

Football has hitting, clipping, spearing, piling on, personal fouls, late hitting and unnecessary roughness.
Baseball has the sacrifice.

Football is played in any kind of weather: rain, snow, sleet, hail, fog...
In baseball, if it rains, we don't go out to play.

Baseball has the seventh inning stretch.
Football has the two minute warning.

Baseball has no time limit: we don't know when it's gonna end - might have extra innings.
Football is rigidly timed, and it will end even if we've got to go to sudden death.

In baseball, during the game, in the stands, there's kind of a picnic feeling; emotions may run high or low, but there's not too much unpleasantness.
In football, during the game in the stands, you can be sure that at least twenty-seven times you're capable of taking the life of a fellow human being.

And finally, the objectives of the two games are completely different:

In football the object is for the quarterback, also known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his receivers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! - I hope I'll be safe at home!

WVRed
01-17-2008, 12:47 PM
One idea would be to have two separate sports forums in general.

Have a forum to talk primarily Football(College or Pro), same with basketball.

While we all share the same goal in common(Cincinnati Reds), not everybody who posts here is a Bengals fan, just as everybody here doesn't pull for the Bearcats or UK. Just divide the board into two separate sports forums that are non baseball and leave the Non Baseball Chatter to making fun of Britney Spears.

Unassisted
01-17-2008, 05:52 PM
Given what others here have said about the ugly mentality on most NFL boards, why should Boss and GIK make NFL talk more prominent if it stands to attract a crowd of people with that mentality? Maybe what you really want is a Bengals board for ORG members?

I'm not begrudging anyone a little football talk here. I just think the ramifications of making it more prominent need to be considered more carefully before the log starts rolling too fast.

Yachtzee
01-17-2008, 06:01 PM
Given what others here have said about the ugly mentality on most NFL boards, why should Boss and GIK make NFL talk more prominent if it stands to attract a crowd of people with that mentality? Maybe what you really want is a Bengals board for ORG members?

I'm not begrudging anyone a little football talk here. I just think the ramifications of making it more prominent need to be considered more carefully before the log starts rolling too fast.

I think if you keep the football talk within the greater context of Redszone, that should keep a lot of the trolls out. One of the biggest complaints that you find on NFL boards is that many posters object to "overmoderation." The fact that you can't swear, engage in ad hominem attacks on players or owners, or belittle other posters here might be enough of a deterrent. On the other hand, it might still require a bit more moderation.

If they do add a football board here, I'd probably keep it small, as a service to Redszoners who like to talk football, rather than trying to attract Bengals fans to a "Redszone-like" football board.

TC81190
01-17-2008, 06:09 PM
If they do add a football board here, I'd probably keep it small, as a service to Redszoners who like to talk football, rather than trying to attract Bengals fans to a "Redszone-like" football board.

That's what I'd be aiming for, too.

SeeinRed
01-17-2008, 06:18 PM
I think if you keep the football talk within the greater context of Redszone, that should keep a lot of the trolls out. One of the biggest complaints that you find on NFL boards is that many posters object to "overmoderation." The fact that you can't swear, engage in ad hominem attacks on players or owners, or belittle other posters here might be enough of a deterrent. On the other hand, it might still require a bit more moderation.

If they do add a football board here, I'd probably keep it small, as a service to Redszoners who like to talk football, rather than trying to attract Bengals fans to a "Redszone-like" football board.

There are baseball boards that are as bad as some football boards. The difference is that we have some good moderators who step in and stop something before it gets out of hand. I don't think that just because you have a place to talk football you will attract certain types of people. We have had some of the "other" types of people on here before, but they don't stay around. I credit that to the Mods and the Redszone community.

I don't think it has to be anything special. Redszone is a site dedicated to baseball after all, But it would be nice to have the football talk separated from the other threads about celebs and youtube.(not that I don't enjoy those threads) I would even suggest a Basketball discussion board, but then you cross the line into having to include a Hockey board and a Soccer board. There may not be enough intrest to warrant that.

Maybe instead of a Football board, maybe have a Other Pro Sports board for NFL, NBA, MLS, NHL, etc. and a College Sports board. Just and idea, and probably one that has been voiced before. If somebody already said it, then I love your idea.

GoReds33
01-17-2008, 06:24 PM
I don't think I saw this in my skimming, but what would be the qualifications for this board? Would it be where everybody, ORG, and SunDeck could post, or like the game threads? I don't know. I personally don't want the type of people we see in some Bengal forums on here. I think it should be civilized, like our current system. If it brings in the people that we don't want, I don't see how they can't just get rid of it. Until anything like this happens though, I'll continue to post my Bengals thoughts in Non Baseball Chatter.