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Sea Ray
01-09-2008, 05:45 PM
The Michigan football program is taking it on the chin. Ryan Mallett and both star WRs are going:


U-M football team has comings, and goings
Arrington, Mallett and Manningham won't return

Wednesday, January 09, 2008

BY JOHN HEUSER AND NATHAN FENNO

The Ann Arbor News

University of Michigan football players Adrian Arrington, Mario Manningham and Ryan Mallett won't suit up for the Wolverines next season, according to coach Rich Rodriguez, who spoke to reporters briefly at halftime of the Michigan-Indiana men's basketball game Tuesday.

Cementing comments he made in the afternoon on Jim Rome's syndicated radio show, Rodriguez said starting wideouts Arrington and Manningham - who combined for 139 receptions, 2,056 yards and 20 touchdowns last season - will go pro rather than return as seniors.

"With Mario and Adrian, they made decisions they thought would help them professionally and decided to come out early, Rodriguez said at Crisler Arena. "I certainly wish them well. That's about all I have to say about that.''



Rich Rodriguez has his work cut out for him.

traderumor
01-09-2008, 05:58 PM
That's about all I have to say about that.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5e/ForrestGump2.jpg/250px-ForrestGump2.jpg

pedro
01-09-2008, 06:05 PM
Michigan keeps spare receivers in the basement.

westofyou
01-09-2008, 06:17 PM
Poor Michigan... and their fans.

I'm certain we'll survive.

WVRed
01-09-2008, 06:22 PM
Makes the Terrelle Pryor sweepstakes more entertaining.

I'd say Mallett will transfer to Arkansas.

dabvu2498
01-09-2008, 06:27 PM
Makes the Terrelle Pryor sweepstakes more entertaining.

I'd say Mallett will transfer to Arkansas.

One of the choices mentioned.


The former Texas Class 4A offensive player of the year may end up at Tennessee, which is considering hiring former Michigan offensive coordinator Mike DeBord and quarterbacks coach Scott Loeffler.

"If they're hired, that would be a real good possibility," Jim Mallett said. "Ryan really clicked with both coach DeBord and coach Loeffler during the last couple months of the season and during bowl practices, I've never seen Ryan throw the ball or read defenses as well as he did."

Mallett said his son also will consider transferring to Texas A&M, Arkansas and UCLA among other schools. After sitting out next season, he will have three years of eligibility.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gYjAyG3hq_dIVp3whcBkyKXTWNRgD8U2HJJ80

WVRed
01-09-2008, 06:43 PM
One of the choices mentioned.



http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gYjAyG3hq_dIVp3whcBkyKXTWNRgD8U2HJJ80

Didn't realize that about Tennessee. I'd say the Vols make more sense.

Isnt Jon Crompton going to be the starter in Tennessee next year? Could be interesting.

dabvu2498
01-09-2008, 06:47 PM
Didn't realize that about Tennessee. I'd say the Vols make more sense.

Isnt Jon Crompton going to be the starter in Tennessee next year? Could be interesting.

Yeah, Crompton will be a Jr. next year. Mallett will have to sit out a year.

Spring~Fields
01-10-2008, 02:06 AM
Michigan keeps spare receivers in the basement.

Yupp

Michigan will be just fine.

They have a long history of success.

will5979
01-10-2008, 09:08 AM
As a die hard WVU man I can't help but to love the bad news and anticipate more coming out of Ann Arbor...after Rich leaves or hopefully is fired, I'll wish Michigan well.

15fan
01-10-2008, 09:29 AM
I haven't had the heart yet to ask my neighbor whether it's worse to lose at home to App State in football, or to Coach HighTop Fade and Haaaahhvaaahhd in hoops.

Either way, I think it's all karma's way of repaying everyone for the travesty that was Steve Fisher and the Fab 5.

NJReds
01-10-2008, 10:23 AM
Players shouldn't have to sit out a year if they transfer after their coach leaves.

westofyou
01-10-2008, 10:41 AM
As a die hard WVU man I can't help but to love the bad news and anticipate more coming out of Ann Arbor...after Rich leaves or hopefully is fired, I'll wish Michigan well.

Nice...


http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/2008-01-08-rodriguez-family_N.htm

Rich Rodriguez's mother says family suffering threats, insults



GRANT TOWN, W.Va. (AP) — Relatives of Rich Rodriguez have been harassed and threatened in the three weeks since his resignation as West Virginia University football coach, his mother says.

Arleen Rodriguez says her teenage grandson received a death threat and found other harassing notes taped to his locker at East Fairmont High School, while her 12-year-old granddaughter had to be escorted to classes.

Mountaineer fans furious over Rodriguez's Dec. 16 decision to accept the head coaching job at Michigan also vandalized his home near Morgantown, hanging signs on a fence and tossing a mailbox in the yard.

"He put seven years into WVU and now everybody thinks he's garbage," his mother said. "Think like a parent. That's all I can say. Think about it. Think about what you're doing."

The backlash has been even more venomous on the Facebook social networking site, where dozens of groups with profanity-laced names have formed, devoted to wishing ill for Rodriguez and his family.


"What it feels like to me, it's like your kid getting beat up at school all the time and you can't stop it," his mother said Monday.

A similar but short-lived fury boiled up last month against Mountaineer kicker Pat McAfee, who received angry text messages and had his car vandalized after missing two field goals in West Virginia's 13-9 loss to Pitt. The loss knocked WVU out of national championship contention, but the team went on without Rodriguez to claim victory over Oklahoma at the Fiesta Bowl.

Feeding the fury against Rodriguez is that after seven seasons in Morgantown, he is raiding the Mountaineers' program, taking assistant coaches and perhaps recruits with him. On Sunday, he announced he'd hired the six-member strength and conditioning staff to work at Michigan.

But Arleen Rodriguez said her son had not been planning to leave Morgantown, was renovating his home and struggled with the decision.

Several wealthy football boosters claim there was behind-the-scenes tension between Rodriguez and the WVU administration, but the coach has yet to publicly discuss the matter.

"I don't think he felt wanted at WVU anymore," his mother said.

"I found out that things are a whole lot different than what people think," she said. "It wasn't easy for them to leave."

NJReds
01-10-2008, 10:43 AM
Classy bunch, those WVU fans.

Chip R
01-10-2008, 10:51 AM
She better watch her couch.

traderumor
01-10-2008, 11:02 AM
Nice...


http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/2008-01-08-rodriguez-family_N.htm

Rich Rodriguez's mother says family suffering threats, insultsBig Time college athletics and professional sports are now subject to the psychological and sociological dynamics of religious fervor, with each franchise's fanatical side of the fanbase turning into hundreds of little religious cults. They are certainly showing all the sociological signs of cult-like behavior. I qualify that to say that there are many who do not let sports dominate their lives like this, but it doesn't take a degree in this area of specialty to see a larger and larger group of fanatical fans forming for each and every team who act very much like cults when members leave the group. Go no further than the "questioning my fanhood" spoof commercial, which is really not much of a spoof but is exagerrating a truism of current cultural norms among fans of sports teams.

WVRed
01-10-2008, 11:11 AM
It's kinda telling when you drive through South Parkersburg and there is a cardboard cutout of Rich Rodriguez holding a Coke bottle saying "Take your best shot" with a bullseye on his torso.

As I said in another thread, the fact that WVU was seriously considering Terry Bowden(son of Bobby who was WVU's head coach before bolting to Florida St) should tell you that Rich Rodriguez will be welcome back in the state within the next ten years. Possibly earlier if he wins a national title.

westofyou
01-10-2008, 11:17 AM
Big Time college athletics and professional sports are now subject to the psychological and sociological dynamics of religious fervor, with each franchise's fanatical side of the fanbase turning into hundreds of little religious cults. They are certainly showing all the sociological signs of cult-like behavior. I qualify that to say that there are many who do not let sports dominate their lives like this, but it doesn't take a degree in this area of specialty to see a larger and larger group of fanatical fans forming for each and every team who act very much like cults when members leave the group. Go no further than the "questioning my fanhood" spoof commercial, which is really not much of a spoof but is exagerrating a truism of current cultural norms among fans of sports teams.

Imagine what would have happened to Bedford Falls HAD George Bailey got away, they would have trashed Ma Baileys Boarding House, punched out Bert the Cop and burned down the Savings and Loan.

Leave us will you!!!

Try something different will you!!

Why I oughta.....

will5979
01-10-2008, 11:28 AM
Classy bunch, those WVU fans.

did you see the emotion of Owen Schmitt after the Fiesta Bowl? Don't be so quick to judge, West Virginians are a special "loyal" core of Americans, unlike the unloyal Rich Rod. Now I don't endorse death threats to the family but I can tell you that the vandalizing of his home should have been expected. And if I ever see the man in public I'm going to give him the five of clubs for what he did to WVU.

westofyou
01-10-2008, 11:30 AM
I can tell you that the vandalizing of his home should have been expected.

On what planet?

RichRed
01-10-2008, 11:35 AM
did you see the emotion of Owen Schmitt after the Fiesta Bowl? Don't be so quick to judge, West Virginians are a special "loyal" core of Americans, unlike the unloyal Rich Rod. Now I don't endorse death threats to the family but I can tell you that the vandalizing of his home should have been expected. And if I ever see the man in public I'm going to give him the five of clubs for what he did to WVU.

Yep, classy.

will5979
01-10-2008, 11:37 AM
On what planet?

This state, this state as a whole, we all wish him poorly because of what he took away from us, he lied to us, he betrayed us, and most of all that jerk cost us the national championship.

westofyou
01-10-2008, 11:38 AM
This state, this state as a whole, we all wish him poorly because of what he took away from us, he lied to us, he betrayed us, and most of all that jerk cost us the national championship.

You'd think with all those nice mountains there some of you might want to take the high road now and then.

BRM
01-10-2008, 11:38 AM
Good grief. I can't imagine this stuff is helping in their search for a new coach. Death threats? Just wow.

pedro
01-10-2008, 12:59 PM
did you see the emotion of Owen Schmitt after the Fiesta Bowl? Don't be so quick to judge, West Virginians are a special "loyal" core of Americans, unlike the unloyal Rich Rod. Now I don't endorse death threats to the family but I can tell you that the vandalizing of his home should have been expected. And if I ever see the man in public I'm going to give him the five of clubs for what he did to WVU.

absolutely pathetic.

pedro
01-10-2008, 01:03 PM
This state, this state as a whole, we all wish him poorly because of what he took away from us, he lied to us, he betrayed us, and most of all that jerk cost us the national championship.

And WVU probably wouldn't even have been in the race if it wasn't for him.

I think it's incredibly telling that you are so upset that he left and yet you claim that he also "cost us the national championship". That just screams irrationality.

WVRed
01-10-2008, 01:32 PM
This state, this state as a whole, we all wish him poorly because of what he took away from us, he lied to us, he betrayed us, and most of all that jerk cost us the national championship.

The fact that the WVU players had their heads swelled so much they couldn't fit them into their helmets had nothing to do with it?

What is your take on Bobby Bowden?

Spring~Fields
01-10-2008, 01:55 PM
This state, this state as a whole, we all wish him poorly because of what he took away from us, he lied to us, he betrayed us, and most of all that jerk cost us the national championship.

Does he get any credit for what he did right and well for the school and community? Or was he suppose to just keep giving as if he had sold his soul?

will5979
01-10-2008, 02:24 PM
The fact that the WVU players had their heads swelled so much they couldn't fit them into their helmets had nothing to do with it?

What is your take on Bobby Bowden?

I have mixed feelings about the hiring of Bill Stewart...I'm going to give him the benefit of a doubt and see what happens this year, should be interesting if Doc Holliday is brought in.

Bowden is the man I was hoping the team would get. Had Rich left under different circumstances I wouldn't be so harsh on him but Keilan Dykes said it best to him in the locker room when he said that only real men are allowed in here and to get out!

I think that even though Bowden has been out of the game for 10 years he still could have brought something interesting to Morgantown.

About WVU having their head swelled, well after everything that went down in Motown in Dec. can you blaim them? I mean they dominated and manhandled arguably the best team in the nation in Tempe.

will5979
01-10-2008, 02:27 PM
And WVU probably wouldn't even have been in the race if it wasn't for him.

I think it's incredibly telling that you are so upset that he left and yet you claim that he also "cost us the national championship". That just screams irrationality.

Tell me this from a scientific point of view, how can a team with as much talent as WVU logically have lost to Pitt that night? I swear on my grandfathers grave I honestly believe Rich Rod threw that game. I will blaim him till the day I die for costing us the national title. WVU could have beaten OSU or LSU, they had the best preformance of any BCS team, hands down.

will5979
01-10-2008, 02:29 PM
Does he get any credit for what he did right and well for the school and community? Or was he suppose to just keep giving as if he had sold his soul?

The man was from West Virginia, he played for WVU, he claimed it was his dream job. We felt betrayed by one of our own. Even Gov. Joe was ticked at Rod. Based on a code of ethics and morals you just don't do that to your home state. This team means so much to the state of WV and Rich Rod should have understood that more than anybody. I'll never figure out the events of Dec. but I wish I had the answer.

The way he left is what leaves a bad taste in our mouths...to call his recruits and tell them he was leaving BEFORE telling WVU, to leave WVU after its biggest defeat EVER, to leave us hanging before a hugh BCS bowl game, all of that screams nothing but coward.

After all of that it is hard to find any good in the guy. I know he took us to an annual top 10 program, but as far as the ultimate goal he let us down, he let us down.

westofyou
01-10-2008, 02:35 PM
all of that screams nothing but coward.

And condoning trashing his house is what?

Heroic?

WMR
01-10-2008, 02:35 PM
Good grief. I can't imagine this stuff is helping in their search for a new coach. Death threats? Just wow.

Learn from the Hoosiers. Learn to love losing. It's better for your nerves.

BRM
01-10-2008, 02:37 PM
Learn from the Hoosiers. Learn to love losing. It's better for your nerves.

Yeah, the Hoosiers worship at the altar of losing. :rolleyes:

will5979
01-10-2008, 02:37 PM
Learn from the Hoosiers. Learn to love losing. It's better for your nerves.

Sorry but losing is only in WVU's vocabulary once or twice a year.

Unfortunately I had to learn to stick with a team of losing with the Bengals in the 90s and most depressingly the Reds in this decade. I would gladly trade the success of any other team that I like for the Reds to once again become a dynasty.

pedro
01-10-2008, 02:40 PM
Tell me this from a scientific point of view, how can a team with as much talent as WVU logically have lost to Pitt that night? I swear on my grandfathers grave I honestly believe Rich Rod threw that game. I will blaim him till the day I die for costing us the national title. WVU could have beaten OSU or LSU, they had the best preformance of any BCS team, hands down.

Then why do you care that he left?

WMR
01-10-2008, 02:41 PM
Yeah, the Hoosiers worship at the altar of losing. :rolleyes:

;)

pedro
01-10-2008, 02:43 PM
I have mixed feelings about the hiring of Bill Stewart...I'm going to give him the benefit of a doubt and see what happens this year, should be interesting if Doc Holliday is brought in.

Bowden is the man I was hoping the team would get. Had Rich left under different circumstances I wouldn't be so harsh on him but Keilan Dykes said it best to him in the locker room when he said that only real men are allowed in here and to get out!

I think that even though Bowden has been out of the game for 10 years he still could have brought something interesting to Morgantown.

About WVU having their head swelled, well after everything that went down in Motown in Dec. can you blaim them? I mean they dominated and manhandled arguably the best team in the nation in Tempe.

BOBBY BOWDEN.

You know, the guy who fled WV for Florida State.

Why is it that you now want his son as the coach? You going to lobby for Rodriguez's son in 30 years?

Seriously, you're coming off as an insane person without much perspective or a sense of history.

will5979
01-10-2008, 02:46 PM
Then why do you care that he left?

I just boils down to hard feelings, screwing our program out of recruits, and messing up most of the coaching staff. I know that traditionally Michigan is richer than WVU but in modern terms Michigan couldn't hold WVU's jock, he had a much greater shot at a Nat. Title in Motown rather than Ann Arbor...oh well hope he enjoys the manhandling of OSU.

traderumor
01-10-2008, 03:12 PM
did you see the emotion of Owen Schmitt after the Fiesta Bowl? Don't be so quick to judge, West Virginians are a special "loyal" core of Americans, unlike the unloyal Rich Rod. Now I don't endorse death threats to the family but I can tell you that the vandalizing of his home should have been expected. And if I ever see the man in public I'm going to give him the five of clubs for what he did to WVU.
Exhibit 1

Reading through the other posts, do not accept any kool-aid from this poster.

IslandRed
01-10-2008, 03:33 PM
Tell me this from a scientific point of view, how can a team with as much talent as WVU logically have lost to Pitt that night?

Because Pat White got hurt and the backup played approximately one-tenth as well as White usually does. And your kicker missed a couple he should have made.

Teams lose all the time to lesser teams when they get bad QB play and leave points on the field. Doesn't take a conspiracy. This wasn't even as inexplicable than USC's loss to UCLA in '06 which knocked it out of the BCS title game.

WVRed
01-10-2008, 03:47 PM
BOBBY BOWDEN.

You know, the guy who fled WV for Florida State.

Why is it that you now want his son as the coach? You going to lobby for Rodriguez's son in 30 years?

Seriously, you're coming off as an insane person without much perspective or a sense of history.

Thank you. That was the point I was trying to make exactly.

WVRed
01-10-2008, 03:57 PM
I have mixed feelings about the hiring of Bill Stewart...I'm going to give him the benefit of a doubt and see what happens this year, should be interesting if Doc Holliday is brought in.

Bowden is the man I was hoping the team would get. Had Rich left under different circumstances I wouldn't be so harsh on him but Keilan Dykes said it best to him in the locker room when he said that only real men are allowed in here and to get out!

I think that even though Bowden has been out of the game for 10 years he still could have brought something interesting to Morgantown.

About WVU having their head swelled, well after everything that went down in Motown in Dec. can you blaim them? I mean they dominated and manhandled arguably the best team in the nation in Tempe.

This has nothing to do with beating Oklahoma.

I'm thinking along the lines of before the Pitt game. I mean, all they had to do was crush Pitt and they were in the national championship against Ohio State. When the entire state more or less is scurrying to book hotel rooms in New Orleans, taking their vacations that week, and pretty much wrapping up a ticket to New Orleans before the season was even over.

Then they show up to play Pitt and were in for a very rude awakening. And now people are trying to claim Rodriguez threw the game, that is what is laughable.

Spring~Fields
01-10-2008, 04:07 PM
We felt betrayed by one of our own.
Based on a code of ethics and morals you just don't do that to your home state.
This team means so much to the state of WV
Rich Rod should have understood that more than anybody.

In that order I can buy into your perceptions and perhaps understand your input.

I think Ohio sports fans have been through the Model taking the Browns team and the revenues from the community and state, and Brown pocketing the revenues and trashing the Bengals team. Years of poor management decisions with the Reds that brought an unattractive entertainment product to the loyal and faithful tax paying citizens of hamilton county and the Reds fans in general reminding each of us that there is little if any loyalty to the fans in the business world.

Perhaps those are bad examples of empathy.

It is just shocking though to read of attacks or potential attacks on his family or extended family members that is not and will not be acceptable to many of us or the population as a whole.

*BaseClogger*
01-10-2008, 04:42 PM
Because Pat White got hurt and the backup played approximately one-tenth as well as White usually does. And your kicker missed a couple he should have made.

Teams lose all the time to lesser teams when they get bad QB play and leave points on the field. Doesn't take a conspiracy. This wasn't even as inexplicable than USC's loss to UCLA in '06 which knocked it out of the BCS title game.

Or their loss this year to Stanford...

westofyou
01-10-2008, 04:42 PM
I know that traditionally Michigan is richer than WVU but in modern terms Michigan couldn't hold WVU's jock.

1997-2006


RANK TEAM RECORD WIN %
1 USC 90-35 .720
2 Ohio State 97-28 .776
3 Texas 98-28 .778
4 Florida 94-32 .746
5 Oklahoma 95-33 .742
6 Michigan 96-28 .774
7 Florida State 96-31 .756
8 Miami 94-29 .764
9 LSU 86-38 .694
10 Tennessee 94-32 .746
11 Georgia 96-30 .762
12 Virginia Tech 95-31 .754
T-13 Nebraska 94-34 .734
T-13 Wisconsin 89-38 .701
15 Auburn 84-40 .677
16 Boise State 97-28 .776
17 Oregon 82-40 .672
18 Louisville 83-40 .675
19 West Virginia 76-45 .628
20 Kansas State 88-38 .698

http://www.refcloset.com/images/supporter.JPG

will5979
01-11-2008, 10:42 AM
Seriously, you're coming off as an insane person without much perspective or a sense of history.

Dude, at that point in history I don't blame Bowden for leaving for FSU...WVU played in the Southern Confernce at the time. But in 2008 you know as well as I do that WVU is a MUCH better football program than Meeshigan.

BTW, I am insane, have been ever since the Pitt loss, and probably will be until we win the nat. title just knowing that it could have been ours this year.

will5979
01-11-2008, 10:50 AM
1997-2006


RANK TEAM RECORD WIN %
1 USC 90-35 .720
2 Ohio State 97-28 .776
3 Texas 98-28 .778
4 Florida 94-32 .746
5 Oklahoma 95-33 .742
6 Michigan 96-28 .774
7 Florida State 96-31 .756
8 Miami 94-29 .764
9 LSU 86-38 .694
10 Tennessee 94-32 .746
11 Georgia 96-30 .762
12 Virginia Tech 95-31 .754
T-13 Nebraska 94-34 .734
T-13 Wisconsin 89-38 .701
15 Auburn 84-40 .677
16 Boise State 97-28 .776
17 Oregon 82-40 .672
18 Louisville 83-40 .675
19 West Virginia 76-45 .628
20 Kansas State 88-38 .698


Lets exclude the past ten years and just look at the last five...WVU has been to 5 straight New Years Day Bowls, there are MANY powerhouse teams that can't say that about their past five years; and can Meeshigan say they have won 2 BCS bowls in the past 3 years?

westofyou
01-11-2008, 10:52 AM
Lets exclude the past ten years and just look at the last five.

Yeah.. because five years is such a great barometer for your already massively broad statement ... so much for "Modern Terms"

Don't you have some trees to TP over at the Rodriguez home?

traderumor
01-11-2008, 11:03 AM
RANK TEAM RECORD WIN %
1 USC 90-35 .720
2 Ohio State 97-28 .776

Poor, declining OSU. Just spinning their wheels. Sorry, had to quote that in conjunction with some of the BCS Championship flaming strawmen being thrown around.

will5979
01-11-2008, 11:17 AM
Don't you have some trees to TP over at the Rodriguez home?

Don't you have someone else to chastise to make you feel better about yourself?

Spring~Fields
01-11-2008, 11:22 AM
College football sure would be more meaningful if 1-12 had to have at least 3 of those from 1-12 on their schedule every year.

We might even find out who really was the best team more often than not if each of them had to really play several quality teams, we at least might see some really good football if they were compelled to play each other more each year.

westofyou
01-11-2008, 11:24 AM
Don't you have someone else to chastise to make you feel better about yourself?

Right... he should EXPECT it.

I forgot we were using logic in this debate, hence your next step is to suggest I don't feel good about myself.

BTW when was the last time UM lost 8 games?

WVU did in 2001... good thing you chose 5 years to determine the superiority of your teams program.

will5979
01-11-2008, 11:29 AM
good thing you chose 5 years to determine the superiority of your teams program.

This has been my point through the whole conversation. Wouldn't you rather coach a team that has been to 5 straight NYD bowls and has been on the verge of winning the national championship and have the machine in tact to accomplish the mission, OR would you rather take over another program where the offense is completely ran different and where you have to start over? The move hasn't made sense...

The past 5 years means a lot to a program that is on the verge of winning. Michigan was great 10 years ago but this is 2008. I hope Rich truely regrets his decision.

dabvu2498
01-11-2008, 11:35 AM
This has been my point through the whole conversation. Wouldn't you rather coach a team that has been to 5 straight NYD bowls and has been on the verge of winning the national championship and have the machine in tact to accomplish the mission, OR would you rather take over another program where the offense is completely ran different and where you have to start over? The move hasn't made sense...


Rich's bank account may disagree.

traderumor
01-11-2008, 11:35 AM
This has been my point through the whole conversation. Wouldn't you rather coach a team that has been to 5 straight NYD bowls and has been on the verge of winning the national championship and have the machine in tact to accomplish the mission, OR would you rather take over another program where the offense is completely ran different and where you have to start over? The move hasn't made sense...

The past 5 years means a lot to a program that is on the verge of winning. Michigan was great 10 years ago but this is 2008. I hope Rich truely regrets his decision.Seriously, UM is a dream job for a coach. Maybe little West Virginians aspire to be the coach one day in Morgantown, but UM is a national program and one of the elite, probably in the top 5 of places coaches have dreamed about coaching. And, WVU simply is not. That's just a reality. I'm a Buckeyes fan and I can admit that.

Chip R
01-11-2008, 11:37 AM
This has been my point through the whole conversation. Wouldn't you rather coach a team that has been to 5 straight NYD bowls and has been on the verge of winning the national championship and have the machine in tact to accomplish the mission, OR would you rather take over another program where the offense is completely ran different and where you have to start over? The move hasn't made sense...

The past 5 years means a lot to a program that is on the verge of winning. Michigan was great 10 years ago but this is 2008. I hope Rich truely regrets his decision.


It made sense to Rodriguez. Isn't that all that matters? Should he have consulted Mountineer Nation before thinking about leaving?

RFS62
01-11-2008, 11:39 AM
Seriously, UM is a dream job for a coach. Maybe little West Virginians aspire to be the coach one day in Morgantown, but UM is a national program and one of the elite, probably in the top 5 of places coaches have dreamed about coaching. I'm a Buckeyes fan and I can admit that.



Yep. It doesn't bother me that Rodriguez would move on to Michigan. He's climbed the ladder to the top of his profession.

It's the way he left that caused so much anger, I guess.

And West Virginians need to rise above the silly hatred and move on. I mean really, who cares?

Such drama.

WVRed
01-11-2008, 11:41 AM
Yeah.. because five years is such a great barometer for your already massively broad statement ... so much for "Modern Terms"

Don't you have some trees to TP over at the Rodriguez home?

Do you have the past five years? I would bet Michigan is still ranked higher.

The Southern Conference is not an excuse and at that time would have been a better conference than the Big East is now. The Southern Conference split to form the SEC and the ACC, so all of your charter schools from those conferences were in the SOCON to begin with.

But the bottom line is you don't blame Bobby Bowden for leaving but you want to "give the five of clubs" to Rich Rodriguez if he ever comes back in state.

WVRed
01-11-2008, 11:50 AM
Yep. It doesn't bother me that Rodriguez would move on to Michigan. He's climbed the ladder to the top of his profession.

It's the way he left that caused so much anger, I guess.

And West Virginians need to rise above the silly hatred and move on. I mean really, who cares?

Such drama.

I really don't know how else he could have done it any different. Yes he did lose to Pitt and some irrational people around the state are claiming he threw the game. He had an offer and they wanted an answer. Once he took that offer, he knew he would have lost the support of the state and the players who played for him.

This isn't just Rich Rodriguez, it's college athletics in general. Everybody more or less knew after the Appalachia State loss that this would be Lloyd Carr's last season and Michigan began their coaching search almost immediately. It could have very easily been Les Miles we were talking about, and if Kirk Herbstreit hadn't jumped the gun we probably would be.

This is why coaches who are coaching in bowl games should not be able to discuss jobs until after the game is played.

Chip R
01-11-2008, 11:55 AM
IThis is why coaches who are coaching in bowl games should not be able to discuss jobs until after the game is played.


I think that's a great idea but probably unenforceable.

WVRed
01-11-2008, 12:01 PM
I think that's a great idea but probably unenforceable.

Works in the NFL.

Chip R
01-11-2008, 12:14 PM
Works in the NFL.


Apples and oranges. There's no recruiting in the NFL and coaches for playoff teams have been known to interview for other jobs on occassion. Besides, they are usually assistant coaches, not head coaches. Also it can easily be gotten around by having their agent negotiate privately.

WMR
01-11-2008, 12:15 PM
It made sense to Rodriguez. Isn't that all that matters? Should he have consulted Mountineer Nation before thinking about leaving?

Ummmmmmmmmmmmm..... DUH!!

traderumor
01-11-2008, 12:18 PM
College Football again kind of forces the hands of programs and coaches to shop in the gap between the last game of the season and the bowl game. As Chip already pointed out, if you don't get a coach in place before the New Year hits, you basically throw away a year of recruiting and will have to settle for those who would come to a school if Charlie Brown was the coach.

will5979
01-11-2008, 12:37 PM
The Southern Conference is not an excuse and at that time would have been a better conference than the Big East is now. The Southern Conference split to form the SEC and the ACC, so all of your charter schools from those conferences were in the SOCON to begin with.

But the bottom line is you don't blame Bobby Bowden for leaving but you want to "give the five of clubs" to Rich Rodriguez if he ever comes back in state.

no disrespect intended to the SOCON...I realize many a great teams were in the SOCON before we saw the likes of Furman, UTC, Marshall, etc.

I have respect for Bobby but to be honest I have only been alive since 79 so I only remember 2 WVU coaches, Nehlen and Rod. After all Terry is not Bobby and I guess what gets me is he WANTS to come here...that makes me feel good and makes me want admin to hire him.

Dude, I guess a person has to been a native WVian and a die hard WVU fan to understand. Maybe I'm putting WVU up on a pedastle, I know I can't spell for $***! But man it felt so good to finally get that close to being to the nat. title (we've been there before but this year we had the talent to win) and then BOOM, all was taken away, oh yeah then we lost our coach! I was really looking forward to torching my couch Monday night too!

pedro
01-11-2008, 01:33 PM
I was really looking forward to torching my couch Monday night too!

Seriously dude, you should do you're brethren in WV a solid and just stop talking.

will5979
01-11-2008, 01:47 PM
Seriously dude, you should do you're brethren in WV a solid and just stop talking.

NO!

pedro
01-11-2008, 01:49 PM
NO!

Then you must not love your state as much as you claim because WV deserves your silence.

Chip R
01-11-2008, 01:50 PM
Let's take it easy, folks.

traderumor
01-11-2008, 01:52 PM
no disrespect intended to the SOCON...I realize many a great teams were in the SOCON before we saw the likes of Furman, UTC, Marshall, etc.

I have respect for Bobby but to be honest I have only been alive since 79 so I only remember 2 WVU coaches, Nehlen and Rod. After all Terry is not Bobby and I guess what gets me is he WANTS to come here...that makes me feel good and makes me want admin to hire him.

Dude, I guess a person has to been a native WVian and a die hard WVU fan to understand. Maybe I'm putting WVU up on a pedastle, I know I can't spell for $***! But man it felt so good to finally get that close to being to the nat. title (we've been there before but this year we had the talent to win) and then BOOM, all was taken away, oh yeah then we lost our coach! I was really looking forward to torching my couch Monday night too!I have lived in one town in Ohio all my life, but for 18 months 45 minutes away in Columbus finishing out school, am an OSU alum and diehard fan since the Archie Griffin days, am about as small town midwest USA as you can get, but can still step into reality enough to avoid sounding like a body painting, front row College Gameday fan. Your excuse has just been debunked and you are lending credence to every West Virginian joke I've ever heard.

westofyou
01-11-2008, 01:56 PM
http://www.k-state.edu/ksupc/darin/041302Party/resized/IMG_3191Resized.jpg

Chip R
01-11-2008, 01:57 PM
OK, that's enough.