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Dom Heffner
01-10-2008, 09:22 PM
#1- Automatic Windows Updates:

So I'm in the middle of a huge printing job today at work (bulk mail), and I get the message that my computer needs to be restarted to install new updates. I'm given the choice of doing this now or later.

Since I'm in the middle of a big task, I choose later.

Don't know about you guys, but when I think of later, I think a few hours.

Not Windows. The message came up again 10 minutes later, I couldn't get to it in time to hit the later button, and it just shut my computer down and rebooted, leaving me in a heck of a mess trying to figure out just where the print job ended. Awful.

#2- Those new JG Wentworth commericals where the people scream, "it's my money and I want it now" out their window.

They make me want to open my window, too, except instead of screaming the same thing, I want to take a flying leap out of it.

GAC
01-10-2008, 09:40 PM
#1- Automatic Windows Updates:

So I'm in the middle of a huge printing job today at work (bulk mail), and I get the message that my computer needs to be restarted to install new updates. I'm given the choice of doing this now or later.

Since I'm in the middle of a big task, I choose later.

Don't know about you guys, but when I think of later, I think a few hours.

Had the very same thing happen to me this morning. Later is 5 minutes to Bill Gates. :lol:

MWM
01-10-2008, 09:50 PM
Quicktime is the devil. That is all.

GoReds33
01-10-2008, 09:52 PM
I have to say I agree on both. They are so annoying.

TC81190
01-10-2008, 10:28 PM
I know a lot of people love Firefox but..


I want to pull my hair out, every time I get the "Firefox needs a new plug-in to view this page" message, especially for something like Flash, which is included in IE.

KronoRed
01-10-2008, 10:40 PM
Firefox is a colossal memory hog, two thumbs down.

As for updates, I always turn auto updates off, annoying stuff.

LoganBuck
01-10-2008, 10:54 PM
I think that people are getting much worse about returning phone calls in general. I am sick of having to pester people to allow me to spend money with them. I am trying to buy a new piece of farm machinery, and you would think the salesman would be all excited to sell a brand new skid steer, but he hasn't called me back this week, and I am sick of calling. As someone that does alot of business over the phone it is really starting to hack me off in general.

Also the new thing in customer service when you call somewhere like DirectTV, where they ask you a question, put you on hold type something, take a leak, come back on the line ask you another question, put you back on hold, get a cup of coffee, etc...

HeatherC1212
01-11-2008, 12:36 AM
1. People coming up behind me while I'm working at the computer. My back faces the opening of my cubicle (aka, my cell, LOL) and people are forever either coming up behind me suddenly and scaring the crap out of me or standing right outside my cube and holding a long conversation with someone else. Hello? You all have offices! GO THERE and leave me and my cell alone. :eek:

2. Those annoying Charles Schwab commercials with the cartoon people talking about their money issues. I don't know why exactly but those bug the heck out of me, LOL :laugh:

Caveat Emperor
01-11-2008, 12:37 AM
People that answer a text message in the middle of a conversation. If you wouldn't stop to take a call, then don't sit there and fiddle with a keypad while I'm trying to discuss something with you. It's rude.

"Self Slide" credit card payment machines. Type your pin for debit, hit credit for cancel. If you don't want cash back, hit no. Enter the square root of 1337, then multiply that by the year the Gettysburg Address was delivered. You know, what on second thought, give me the nametag and the shirt, I'll just ring myself up.

SteelSD
01-11-2008, 12:54 AM
People who pay with checks but who only start to write the check after getting their total.

People who pay with cash, but who have the need to spend 3 minutes searching through their change to get the exact cents.

Customer service numbers that never actually allow you to talk to a customer service rep.

Customer service reps who can't possibly figure out how to fix my issue after I've spent nearly infinite time in their IVR just trying to get to a customer service rep.

Nebraska drivers. All of them.

Unanticipated full-page "advertisements" I run into while simply trying to get from one site's page to another.

People who can't figure out that Strikeouts don't really matter.

Employees who keep talking about their question after I've already answered their question.

People who complain about having a good job when their alternatives are bascially McDonald's, unemployment, or welfare.

Drivers who are determined to go 55 MPH in a 65 MPH zone in the left lane.

The fact that upper management will likely always be more interested in doing what's expedient rather than what is right.

People who can't figure out that leash laws are actually there for the protection of their pets as well as the general populace.

Any talk about "How it's always been."

People who text message while driving.

Conversation hijackers.

Oh, so many more...

WMR
01-11-2008, 12:57 AM
In other words, very little drives you crazy, Steel?

Caveat Emperor
01-11-2008, 01:45 AM
Expanding flash ads on websites -- especially ones that take over the screen and force to find the little "X" to collapse the ad and see the page's content.

KronoRed
01-11-2008, 03:20 AM
/\ Amen to that, the worst are ones that refuse to go away and block out half of the article you are trying to read :rant:

GAC
01-11-2008, 05:47 AM
I know a lot of people love Firefox but..


I want to pull my hair out, every time I get the "Firefox needs a new plug-in to view this page" message, especially for something like Flash, which is included in IE.

I've been using Netscape for abut the last month. I really like it. One feature I really am impressed with is if you lose power, once it's restored and you re-open Netscape it asks you if you want to restore the previous session. It then completely restores it without any loss.

Why did I try Netscape? Because I kept getting these stupid page errors with IE which shut it down.

GAC
01-11-2008, 05:55 AM
Customer service numbers that never actually allow you to talk to a customer service rep.

"Before we connect you to a live representative we first want to shuffle you through our automated system of hell, answering endless questions that have no bearing on your issue..... Is this John Doe? If so, press 1 or say yes. Is ********* your correct phone number? If so, press 1 or say yes."


Customer service reps who can't possibly figure out how to fix my issue after I've spent nearly infinite time in their IVR just trying to get to a customer service rep.

Who then can't speak English. Nothing like speaking to a guy from India named Joe.

GAC
01-11-2008, 05:57 AM
Viva Viagra commercials. I guess the name of their band is Limp Biscuits? :lol:

Ltlabner
01-11-2008, 08:35 AM
Going to send a package via UPS at an Office Depot and ending up entering all the data for the shipping process into the computer yourself. All the clerk does is press a button to print the shipping label and present you a bill. I'm paying them their small fee to ship the package why exactly?

I rarely go to Office Despot to ship things but occasonally I'll be in a small town, have to ship something back to HQ and don't have time to search out the local shipping place.

Ocasionally I'll ask the clerk why I'm paying them to ship my UPS package when I am doing all the work. Blank, empty stare is the usual reply.

sonny
01-11-2008, 08:51 AM
Waiting a whole year to see my beloved Buckeyes get thumped in the NC game.



Oh, and the smell of dog shampoo.

Roy Tucker
01-11-2008, 09:28 AM
Calling one of those automated calling centers for help and the first thing they ask is to punch in via the phone pad the ID #, credit card #, telephone #, ss#, etc etc. And then when you get to the human being, they ask for all that stuff again.

People who pull up behind you at stop lights and offset themselves the left with wheel on white line and blast their headlight into your sideview mirror causing momentary blindness. Particularly SUVs who seem to want to establish dominance over you.

durl
01-11-2008, 10:07 AM
People that carry on casual cell phone conversations in public, but relatively quiet, settings. I don't go shopping that often, but Christmas is always an exception. While doing the shopping last month, I couldn't believe how many times I'd be browsing and there would be another shopper browsing within 5-6 feet of me, just blabbing away about nothing.

Dom Heffner
01-11-2008, 10:47 AM
Going to send a package via UPS at an Office Depot and ending up entering all the data for the shipping process into the computer yourself. All the clerk does is press a button to print the shipping label and present you a bill. I'm paying them their small fee to ship the package why exactly?


Behind a closed door somewhere, somebody pitched this idea and their closing argument went something like, "And the best part is....they do all the work! And we get paid!"

A few more:

Tip jars at carryout places. No refilla my drink, no tippa for you.

Solicitors who ignore the no soliciting sign. "But we aren't soliciting." Good then, there's nothing to buy from you.

College professors who don't lecture to their tests. I had one guy spend an entire class on the suicide of Vince Foster and then asked- you guessed it- zero questions about it but conveniently had 1/4 of the exam based on what he was supposed to be talking about that day. If it's "college" and the days of spoon feeding are over, then I'll just sit home and read all my textbooks for 13 hours a day all semester. I don't need to fight traffic and all the crap that goes with getting to class on time to hear your personal feelings aboput something we aren't tested over.

Dom Heffner
01-11-2008, 11:06 AM
In a similar vein: I was once late for an exam due to a major traffic accident on I-75. Traffic was backed up for miles.

I showed up to class with 15 minutes remaining, explained the situation and asked the professor if I could have just an extra 15 minutes to finish the exam, which would have given me 30 minutes total.

He tells me that it was my fault- that I should have gotten up extra early to avoid such a thing. "I was up at 5:30 this morning," he tells me, "and the only way you are getting any chance to make this exam up is if you have a medical excuse."

Then I posed this question to him: "So you're saying that if I was the one who caused the accident that made hundreds of people late this morning, you'd let me make it up?"

He was speechless, I walked out, and I dropped the class in the computer lab next door.

If I had followed his advice and left my house 45 minutes early for every single class throughout my college career, I would have wasted days of my life sitting on campus "just in case" there was an accident.

In addition- in all my years of college, that was the only day that a traffic accident made me late to class, so my way was pretty successful. I'd rather have 1 "W" than just be sitting there twiddling my thumbs for 45 minutes everyday I was on campus over a 4 year period.

HotCorner
01-11-2008, 11:13 AM
Expanding flash ads on websites -- especially ones that take over the screen and force to find the little "X" to collapse the ad and see the page's content.

Amen.

Also drivers not using their turn signal. I guess ESP is a requirement for driving a vehicle too!

bucksfan2
01-11-2008, 11:50 AM
Celebrities - Don't tell me how to vote. Don't endanger the very people sworn to protect you because you want to make money. Don't call everyone to go green when your private flights polute the earth more than any single person does. Act/direct/sing/etc. and then shut up.

Cell Phones - Yes I have one but I still hate them. I hate when people are constantly talking on them. Put them away when you are at they gym, at a restaurant, etc.

Bluetooth - Are your really that important?

Bad English

People who blame everyone else for their problems but fail to look at themselves as the cause of their problems.

WMR
01-11-2008, 12:13 PM
You mean Ashton Kutcher didn't convince you who to vote for in the previous election? :confused:

WebScorpion
01-11-2008, 12:23 PM
Amen.

Also drivers not using their turn signal. I guess ESP is a requirement for driving a vehicle too!

That's because they're using their turn signal hand to hold a cell phone up to their ear. :rolleyes:


Bad English


Come on! Everybody likes, "When I See You Smile" ... that's John Waite in his prime. ;)

It really annoys me when the boss wants you to rush to get something done, but can't be bothered to process the paperwork approving your doing it. :explode:

Did someone complain about Nebraska drivers?!?! Washington, D.C. drivers use highway entrance ramps as passing lanes...and occasionally they'll use the shoulder if their dander is up. If you use a turn signal they speed up to close the gap you are signalling to enter. They always attempt to go about .001 mph faster than the person in the next lane, (on either side,) if the next car accelerates or decelerates they do the same. In a traffic jam, they'll always use intersections to change lanes by using the gap normal people leave to not block the intersection, and block the intersection in the process. If a gunfight breaks out, it's justifiable homicide as far as I'm concerned. Washington, D.C. drivers. :thumbdown

SteelSD
01-11-2008, 01:28 PM
In other words, very little drives you crazy, Steel?

Believe it or not, I'm actually a lot more patient than your average person. My wife marvels at my ability to stand in a long checkout line, strike up a conversation with another customer while waiting, and then not get grumpy when the inept clerk can't seem to find a bar code on anything I want to purchase.

My impatient side is generally only seen when I come face to face with something irrational or illogical. Seems by brain lacks anything resembling tolerance for that.

For example, you have no idea how hard I have to fight to suppress frustration when dealing with your average employee who works on the Compliance side of any business. It's like picking nits with zombies.

Me: "So, let's do this..."

Them: "Uhhhhhhhh..."

Me: "Ok, how about this..."

Them: "Uhhhhhhhh..."

Me: "Is THIS allowable, then?"

Them: "Uhhhhhhhh..."


"Before we connect you to a live representative we first want to shuffle you through our automated system of hell, answering endless questions that have no bearing on your issue..... Is this John Doe? If so, press 1 or say yes. Is ********* your correct phone number? If so, press 1 or say yes."

That's "IVR Hell". And it's no accident. The systems are designed in such a way to prevent folks from being able to easily reach a live customer service rep.


Who then can't speak English. Nothing like speaking to a guy from India named Joe.

As long as the accent isn't too thick to understand, I've actually had much better experiences with foreign reps than their domestic counterparts. Many of the latter behave as if your call just interrupted their wedding ceremony. That's why every time I speak with a good one, I ask to speak with their supervisor to pass along my appreciation.

NJReds
01-11-2008, 02:00 PM
Calling one of those automated calling centers for help and the first thing they ask is to punch in via the phone pad the ID #, credit card #, telephone #, ss#, etc etc. And then when you get to the human being, they ask for all that stuff again.


Agreed...that drives me nuts.

RichRed
01-11-2008, 02:37 PM
People who can't figure out that Strikeouts don't really matter.


Has this been discussed before? Please elaborate.

:evil:

Highlifeman21
01-11-2008, 03:20 PM
Duke Basketball fans

UK Basketball fans

Yankees fans

Steelers fans

Ravens fans

Ohio State Football fans

Notre Dame fans

Phillies Phans

Eagles fans

Tour de France fans

Phil Mickelson fans

Patriots fans

Female Asian drivers

Seinfeld

Everybody Loves Raymond

French Men

Smokers

Alton Brown

Rachel Ray

The DH rule

My family

Sonic commercials in areas that don't have a Sonic within 90 miles of them

The BCS

Politics and Politicians

CNN

FoxNews

The Mac

Prospects that turn out to be busts

Really really bad golfers who think they're really really good golfers

Cats

The LPGA Tour

Terrace Park Police

Golfers playing from a tee box beyond their abilities

My girlfriend's step-dad

The fact I suck at bowling

Norris Hopper

Rojo
01-11-2008, 03:21 PM
1) Those horrible Carl's Jr commercials

2) People with umbrellas who hog the space under eaves when its raining.

3) Group projects -- can I just do my work without involving two stoned 19-year-olds.

4) Peyton Manning -- not your fault Peyton, but go away all ready.

5) Speaking of the NFL: Why do color commentators feel the need mythologize the team that's up in the second half during the playoffs.? "When you think about where this Bucanneer team has been, blah, blah, blah." I've seen this happen only to have the other team take the lead. Then we get "dramatic struggle 2.0".

6) TV promos. I understand commercials that pay the bills for what I'm watching but why do I have to watch endless promos for "The Sarah Conner Chronicles" or "One Tree Hill"?

7) Chow Fun: Stop making me order you. I love you to death and then you make me sick. Why can't I quit you, chow fun?

8) The N-freakin-Judah, my daily train that never runs on time, smells bad and breaks down nearly every day.

MWM
01-11-2008, 03:21 PM
Female Asian drivers


Wow!

Rojo
01-11-2008, 03:24 PM
Wow!

Ah, the broad brush -- makes painting a snap.

pedro
01-11-2008, 03:24 PM
Culturally insensitive golf pros.

WMR
01-11-2008, 03:32 PM
Culturally insensitive golf pros.

LMAO

jimbo
01-11-2008, 03:36 PM
Duke Basketball fans

UK Basketball fans

Yankees fans

Steelers fans

Ravens fans

Ohio State Football fans

Notre Dame fans

Phillies Phans

Eagles fans

Tour de France fans

Phil Mickelson fans

Patriots fans

Female Asian drivers

Seinfeld

Everybody Loves Raymond

French Men

Smokers

Alton Brown

Rachel Ray

The DH rule

My family

Sonic commercials in areas that don't have a Sonic within 90 miles of them

The BCS

Politics and Politicians

CNN

FoxNews

The Mac

Prospects that turn out to be busts

Really really bad golfers who think they're really really good golfers

Cats

The LPGA Tour

Terrace Park Police

Golfers playing from a tee box beyond their abilities

My girlfriend's step-dad

The fact I suck at bowling

Norris Hopper


Not a very tolerant person, are you? ;)

Highlifeman21
01-11-2008, 03:38 PM
Not a very tolerant person, are you? ;)

I forgot Hippies, as well.

jimbo
01-11-2008, 03:40 PM
Drivers who use the passing lane of an interstate as their own personal 65 mph cruising lane.

Truck drivers who move into the passing lane to pass the truck in front of them, but then proceed to only go .5 mph faster than the truck they are passing and ultimately take 5-10 miles to pass the truck. (Sorry if I have offended any truck drivers on RedsZone as I do respect what you do.)

jimbo
01-11-2008, 03:40 PM
I forgot Hippies, as well.

LOL

traderumor
01-11-2008, 03:45 PM
Watching a movie or TV show that someone else has already seen and they say "watch this."

Showing coach's and fans expressions after a key play right after the play happens.

NFL games go to commercial after a score and after the kickoff.

Fans that really do hate other teams' fans and hate players because they play for a rival (I've been guilty and hopefully have repented of such nonsense)

Parents who put their kids in two or more team sports at the same time that cause both teams to be short players at times (basketball and hockey, baseball and soccer)

Mondays

Presidential elections

Stereotyping

Racism

Chip R
01-11-2008, 03:54 PM
I forgot Hippies, as well.


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Yachtzee
01-11-2008, 04:26 PM
She drives me crazy



Like no one else.



She drives me crazy. . . and I can't help myself.

Ltlabner
01-11-2008, 08:30 PM
When the waiter at a resturant walks up, exchanges plesantries and asks if you'd like a "insert goofy named drink special of the night here". You respond with "I'd like a diet pepsi" and your wife responds with "water with lime please".

The server then proceeds to be crestfallen, give you a facial expression that says "oh crap" and then slinks away.

Often times we get desert, and occasionally an appatizer which more than makes up for the lack of booze drinks and bumps up the ticket total. If he/she had only stuck in there they might have found that out. Sorry that you think your tip will suck due to a low ticket there Skippy, but when you are visably irritated by the lack of alchohol drinks I decide to skip desert and appatizer and you aren't going to get more than 10% unless you really knock my socks off. Sortof a self-fullfilling prophacy aint it?

Redhook
01-11-2008, 08:47 PM
1) Poorly-timed traffic lights drives me nuts.
2) Not being able to turn left when the through traffic light is green (it should be flashing red sometimes).
3) Not being able to turn on red sometimes.

I hate traffic lights.:)

WMR
01-11-2008, 09:00 PM
Needless 4 way stops. They just added one to my neighborhood and it drives me bonkers. The neighborhood somehow survived without this four way stop for 60 some years but now all of a sudden it is needed.

HeatherC1212
01-12-2008, 12:00 AM
Drivers who use the passing lane of an interstate as their own personal 65 mph cruising lane.

Truck drivers who move into the passing lane to pass the truck in front of them, but then proceed to only go .5 mph faster than the truck they are passing and ultimately take 5-10 miles to pass the truck. (Sorry if I have offended any truck drivers on RedsZone as I do respect what you do.)

Both of those drive me crazy too. I also hate when people behind me start swerving in and out of the lanes at top speed to go around me. I get a certain amount of glee when they get stuck behind some person going even slower than I was when they started the swerving all over the place, LOL :lol:

Right now, the biggest thing driving me crazy is work. THANK GOD its finally the weekend. :runawaycr

GAC
01-12-2008, 09:37 AM
I stopped at the local McDonalds yesterday, and I was really hungry because I usually don't eat there. Plus the kids wanted me to bring them home food. I don't know their menu, but I knew I didn't want any of their burgers. So I glanced at their menu and ordered a grilled, crispy chicken club sandwich. This young girl was a giggling teeny bopper and started laughing. I asked her what was so funny. She said it's either a grilled OR crispy chicken club sandwich. So I laughed. And she said "See why it was so funny?" And I responded "I'm not laughing at that. I'm laughing that even with my slip, you're still the one working at McDonalds."

I hope they didn't spit on my sandwich. :lol:

Dom Heffner
01-12-2008, 10:29 AM
And I responded "I'm not laughing at that. I'm laughing that even with my slip, you're still the one working at McDonalds."


That made me laugh out loud. That's great.

Kind of reminds me of the bumper sticker, "I may be slow but I'm still ahead of you."

Dom Heffner
01-12-2008, 12:33 PM
How could I forget this one: rebates.

I tell you what, Mr. Circuit City clerk- if it's so easy to get the money back, you go ahead and front me the $50, and you wait to get the money back.

I don't buy anything that has a rebate, and I make sure to tell the sales person that.

If the rebate was really such an easy thing to get, these stores would just give you the lower price and then the manufacturer could send them a check based on what was sold at the end of the month.

GAC
01-12-2008, 12:58 PM
How could I forget this one: rebates.

I tell you what, Mr. Circuit City clerk- if it's so easy to get the money back, you go ahead and front me the $50, and you wait to get the money back.

I don't buy anything that has a rebate, and I make sure to tell the sales person that.

If the rebate was really such an easy thing to get, these stores would just give you the lower price and then the manufacturer could send them a check based on what was sold at the end of the month.

I think the reason they do that is because how many actually submit the rebate? Or maybe forget to? ;)

Dom Heffner
01-12-2008, 01:18 PM
I think the reason they do that is because how many actually submit the rebate? Or maybe forget to?

I agree. But also for the people who do submit the rebate paperwork, they have numerous reasons to disqualify the attempt at the money.

It's awful.

Dom Heffner
01-12-2008, 02:05 PM
Another thing: When they put too many pretzels in trail mix or chex combos.

One time I ate around the pretzels just to see how many they put in there- it almost half the bag.

I don't eat the Sweet and Salty Trail Mix to get more pretzels in my life.

And I don't buy Starburst to eat the lemon ones. They should stop making those.

OldRightHander
01-12-2008, 05:25 PM
Truck drivers who move into the passing lane to pass the truck in front of them, but then proceed to only go .5 mph faster than the truck they are passing and ultimately take 5-10 miles to pass the truck. (Sorry if I have offended any truck drivers on RedsZone as I do respect what you do.)

That problem is normally the trucks that are governed at a certain speed. The passing truck sometimes can't go any faster and when the one being passed won't back off and let the other guy around faster, you have that problem. Not really the fault of the driver if he drives for a stupid company that limits the speed of their trucks.

Someone mentioned bluetooth devices. It drives me nuts to see someone not using any form of hands free device and then struggling to perform some task that requires the hands while still using the phone.

Caveat Emperor
01-12-2008, 07:35 PM
And I don't buy Starburst to eat the lemon ones. They should stop making those.

Is it just me, or do the lemon starbursts always seem to be harder than the other ones in the package?

GAC
01-13-2008, 10:33 AM
I agree. But also for the people who do submit the rebate paperwork, they have numerous reasons to disqualify the attempt at the money.

It's awful.

Yep. I've had a couple rebates denied because somehow I didn't cross my T's or dot my Is like I was suppose to. Got a nice form letter. That's when I call and get my pound of flesh. And that's when they say I can file a grievance with their customer service department if I am unsatisfied. I simply, and sarcastically, inform them that ain't going to do no good and they know it. I just won't buy any of their products again and hang up.

Lowes is real good at this.

MWM
01-13-2008, 01:01 PM
Another thing: When they put too many pretzels in trail mix or chex combos.


Most people compain there aren't enough pretzels.

919191
01-13-2008, 05:49 PM
Trail mix of any kind.:)

oneupper
01-13-2008, 06:29 PM
Yep. I've had a couple rebates denied because somehow I didn't cross my T's or dot my Is like I was suppose to. Got a nice form letter. That's when I call and get my pound of flesh. And that's when they say I can file a grievance with their customer service department if I am unsatisfied. I simply, and sarcastically, inform them that ain't going to do no good and they know it. I just won't buy any of their products again and hang up.

Lowes is real good at this.

I usually file a complaint at the BBB if a rebate doesn't come when it's due, (after calling to ask why) but some of these vendors don't care. Most of the time they pay up, though.

The ultimate rebate scam is the "missing original UPC bar code".
There is no way to fight it. I've offered to send them a copy (which I scan in religiously), to replace the one they "misplaced"...but the answer is always "it's got to be the original". And since they lost the original...well.
One of these days, I'll take them to small claims court or something.

I read somewhere in BusinessWeek a while ago that rebate processors have gone as far as guaranteeing a certain percentage of denials and also that the average of valid rebates is usually around 60%...which is why vendors do them, I suppose.

That said, I have the process down pretty good, keep excellent records and get my rebates over 90% of the time.

*BaseClogger*
01-14-2008, 12:50 AM
ESPN

Michigan

People who spell Erik Bedard Eric Bedard

traderumor
01-14-2008, 01:12 PM
Sun-tanned Floridians who visit us pasty skinned Northeners in the winter and want it to snow, like its some novelty act.

oneupper
01-14-2008, 01:22 PM
Sun-tanned Floridians who visit us pasty skinned Northeners in the winter and want it to snow, like its some novelty act.

Guilty as charged. :D

I'm also guilty as the guy who makes exact change when paying.

I have to go to Europe to get a wallet with a coin pouch...sheesh.

Probably also guilty on some other counts in this thread.

Sorry...

Roy Tucker
01-14-2008, 01:55 PM
When sensible and reasonable discussion goes awry.

Hoosier Red
01-14-2008, 02:20 PM
When the waiter at a resturant walks up, exchanges plesantries and asks if you'd like a "insert goofy named drink special of the night here". You respond with "I'd like a diet pepsi" and your wife responds with "water with lime please".

The server then proceeds to be crestfallen, give you a facial expression that says "oh crap" and then slinks away.

Often times we get desert, and occasionally an appatizer which more than makes up for the lack of booze drinks and bumps up the ticket total. If he/she had only stuck in there they might have found that out. Sorry that you think your tip will suck due to a low ticket there Skippy, but when you are visably irritated by the lack of alchohol drinks I decide to skip desert and appatizer and you aren't going to get more than 10% unless you really knock my socks off. Sortof a self-fullfilling prophacy aint it?

I tend to add an extra dollar or two to the tip for servers who are still good despite my lack of alcohol for that reason.
I figure they work just as hard to get my Mt.Dew and Water.

Rojo
01-14-2008, 02:21 PM
4) Peyton Manning -- not your fault Peyton, but go away all ready.

Done and done.

NJReds
01-14-2008, 02:22 PM
All of the NY Giants fans that were calling for Eli and Coughlin's heads (many of them) earlier this season who are now sitting in the front seat of the Giants bandwagon.

guttle11
01-14-2008, 06:13 PM
Fast food drive-thru's, and the people who use them.

I went to Taco Bell for lunch and the guy literally asked me "Do you want hard beef or soft beef?" when I ordered three tacos. (Come to think of it, this could go in the "things that make you smile" thread, too.)

And how difficult is the new McDonald's method to grasp? They alternate taking orders, therefore the two lines do the same when merging. EVERY TIME I've been there since the switch, I've nearly been hit by someone who doesn't understand the concept of alternating by chronological orders.

TeamCasey
01-14-2008, 07:05 PM
When sensible and reasonable discussion goes awry.

*snicker*

OldRightHander
01-14-2008, 07:18 PM
Suggestive selling. If I want fries, I'll ask for them, likewise dessert. If I'm paying for fuel at the Flying J, and I didn't bring anything else to the counter, it's because I don't need anything else besides fuel.

The most annoying one was a couple weeks ago down in Alabama. I have been trying to cut down on the soft drinks somewhat and I've been pretty good about it, but I still like one every now and then. My idea of cutting down is exactly that, but my wife's idea is that you cut something out entirely. One evening I stopped for fuel and it was around 11:00 pm and I still had 300 miles left to do. Caffeine was sounding like a pretty good idea. I was on the phone with my wife as well because when I'm on the road we always talk right before she goes to bed. I came up to the fuel desk with a Coke in hand to pay for along with the fuel I had pumped and the clerk, who probably didn't notice the bluetooth on my ear, spoke to me like she didn't know I was on the phone. What she said was heard clearly by my wife on the other end of the phone. "Would you like some chips to go with that soda pop?"

Rojo
01-14-2008, 07:35 PM
I have nothing for respect for the people who work at fast food. We harp on people to "get a job" and then belittle them for it. Sheesh!

Its the nincompoop customers who get me. For instance, last fall I stop by the McDonalds on Haight Street, which is always on the verge of utter chaos. I just want to get some food in my gullet before I catch up with some friends at a bar. I'm in kind of a hurray (thus McDonald's) and stuck behind this young, ultra-hipster couple pouring over the menu like its the dead sea scrolls. After 5 minutes, I've had it. "Would you please order already", I say. Hipster responds, "just relax...we're ordering for a lot of people".

First, if your feeding a bunch of people, order pizza.

Second, its McDonalds, they have burgers and fries. Do a head count, order a bunch and be done with it. Its all crap anyhow.

Last, I hate being told "to relax". Its such a bs way of making the problem about my messed up chi instead of your complete obliviousness to other people. Ok, Ram Dass, I'll go meditate in the corner while you dither over the value menu. Grrrrrrrr!

SunDeck
01-14-2008, 07:48 PM
Golfers playing from a tee box beyond their abilities

Guilty as charged, but they'd have to put the tee box next to the green for me to be playing from a length that matches my abilities.

Here's what drives me crazy:

Golf technology. Like I said above- I pretty much hug it at golf, but at least I realize it's operator error.

Bicyclists who ride like they're delivering a package in downtown NYC. Except it's Bloomington.

People who can't go without snack food for ten minutes.

Ltlabner
01-14-2008, 08:28 PM
Last, I hate being told "to relax". Its such a bs way of making the problem about my messed up chi instead of your complete obliviousness to other people. Ok, Ram Dass, I'll go meditate in the corner while you dither over the value menu. Grrrrrrrr!

:laugh:

Caveat Emperor
01-14-2008, 09:15 PM
Bicyclists who ride like they're delivering a package in downtown NYC. Except it's Bloomington.

I'd switch that to bicyclists in the suburbs who dress like they're riding in Stage 4 of the Tour de France.

You're not Lance Armstrong, and you're certainly not making my drive any easier by riding in areas with no sidewalks or bike paths.

Ltlabner
01-14-2008, 09:22 PM
I'd switch that to bicyclists in the suburbs who dress like they're riding in Stage 4 of the Tour de France.

You're not Lance Armstrong, and you're certainly not making my drive any easier by riding in areas with no sidewalks or bike paths.

No kidding. When did donning the lycra/spandex body suits and pretending to be Lance become so popular? I must have not gotten the memo.

And around here they ride on some pretty major roads and there could be 4, 6 sometimes 10 of them all peddling away like mad in front of a line of 4 or 5 cars who are sorely tempted to blast them off the road. It's like yuppy bike gangs or something. I'm waiting for them to have the gadget on the handle bars that sounds like a dirt bike when you twist it.

We don't live very far from some very rural areas where bike fans could ride to their hearts content and likely not bother too many people (be a lot safer riding too, I would think). Of course, then no one would see their nice shiney helmets and unitards. What fun would that be?

SunDeck
01-14-2008, 09:28 PM
Didn't mean to start a flameout on bikers. I'm one, but I understand why people don't like bikes; we get in your way and make it hard to pass us. The problem is that in this country bikes are not seen as a mode of transportation. If they were, there would be bike lanes everywhere. Instead bikers are treated no differently than motorists. It's idiotic.

WVRed
01-14-2008, 09:34 PM
Being that I work at Kroger, I have one to add to this one, even though I think Steel hinted at it earlier in the thread.

People who check out 200 dollars(and I don't mean gift cards, I mean a whole buggy full of groceries) at the express lane and then look at you like you are crazy when you tell them it is express.

Yachtzee
01-14-2008, 09:55 PM
Motorcyclists who feel that, since they drive a vehicle that can fit in smaller spaces, they're not to be govern by the basic rules of the road, like traveling in marked lanes. Nothing drives me battier than a biker using the shoulder or the space between lanes to cut through traffic. I find that to be very dangerous to both the biker and to other motorists.

Caveat Emperor
01-14-2008, 09:56 PM
Commercials for Pickup Trucks

Toyota, Ford: I'm looking directly at you. I've been driving for over 10 years -- admittedly making me a novice compared to RFS, who I hear had the first Model-T off the line.

During that time, I can safely say I've never found myself in the desert attempting to dodge two swinging steel girders falling from the sky on a crane over 100 feet tall. I've also never had to come to a dead stop in front of a canyon, beat two closing doors like some scene out of a sci-fi movie, pull a tractor trailer from over the edge of a cliff, drive across a ravine while 15 industrial-strength fans attempt to blow me off the road, or subject the frame of my car to a pull-test from a locomotive. My car has never been eaten by the loch ness monster, it will never survive an alien attack, and at no point will I ever play a video game where I use it to defeat a dragon and save a princess. If I'm ever on a plane when the breaks go out, I'm not going to look to the pilot and say "drop my pontiac out the back, i'll take care of this."

Given that, why in the HELL am I subjected to advertisements that laud the ability of automobiles in such a way? It's beyond stupid -- I drive my car to and from work. The majority of people who own pickup trucks work 9-5 jobs in offices. Most people who own an SUV will never take it off-road because they still owe too much money on it to risk totaling it. Stick to the facts people care about in commercials -- or at least make me laugh, but don't sell me on abilities of a product I'll never need.

Would Ron Popeil ever sell a ginsu knife set by claiming "Plus, its titanium alloy construction can even be used, in emergency, to patch the hull of the space shuttle?"

*BaseClogger*
01-15-2008, 06:42 AM
Commercials for Pickup Trucks

Toyota, Ford: I'm looking directly at you. I've been driving for over 10 years -- admittedly making me a novice compared to RFS, who I hear had the first Model-T off the line.

During that time, I can safely say I've never found myself in the desert attempting to dodge two swinging steel girders falling from the sky on a crane over 100 feet tall. I've also never had to come to a dead stop in front of a canyon, beat two closing doors like some scene out of a sci-fi movie, pull a tractor trailer from over the edge of a cliff, drive across a ravine while 15 industrial-strength fans attempt to blow me off the road, or subject the frame of my car to a pull-test from a locomotive. My car has never been eaten by the loch ness monster, it will never survive an alien attack, and at no point will I ever play a video game where I use it to defeat a dragon and save a princess. If I'm ever on a plane when the breaks go out, I'm not going to look to the pilot and say "drop my pontiac out the back, i'll take care of this."

Given that, why in the HELL am I subjected to advertisements that laud the ability of automobiles in such a way? It's beyond stupid -- I drive my car to and from work. The majority of people who own pickup trucks work 9-5 jobs in offices. Most people who own an SUV will never take it off-road because they still owe too much money on it to risk totaling it. Stick to the facts people care about in commercials -- or at least make me laugh, but don't sell me on abilities of a product I'll never need.

Would Ron Popeil ever sell a ginsu knife set by claiming "Plus, its titanium alloy construction can even be used, in emergency, to patch the hull of the space shuttle?"

which begs the question, why do people drive SUVs or Trucks?

nate
01-15-2008, 09:15 AM
which begs the question, why do people drive SUVs or Trucks?

Because we have things we need for work that don't fit in a car.

Ltlabner
01-15-2008, 09:28 AM
which begs the question, why do people drive SUVs or Trucks?

I am in sales and carry a lot of sample cases, catalogs, product fliers, and other items. Additionally, when traveling overnight (most every week) I have my overnight bag and the luggage of any coworker who happens to be in town. Throw in an emergancy roadside kit and in the winter an extra jug of windsheild washer fluid, ice melter, heavy jacket, boots, ice scrapers, hats, gloves and backpack with some essential items and things get cramped.

I could jam all of that in a trunk of a car, I suppose, but 4 to 6 times I day I would have to pull things out of the trunk, dig around, find what I need, and re-assemble the trunk. That gets old...especially in the rain or snow. The extra room in the back of the Rav4 (which really isn't all that big of a vechile) is perfect for all of this.

Additionally, I cover three states and spend a lot of time on rural highways and small roads. In the winter, the 4x4 feature is handy. No, I don't go baja'ing but I do deal with situations where having the 4x4 is a nice assistance.

So no...not all SUV owners are 39 year old soccer mom's hauling a pack of kids to gymnastics, soccer and karate class.

SunDeck
01-15-2008, 09:29 AM
Because we have things we need for work that don't fit in a car.

Granted, there are people who NEED trucks like you Nate, but my guess is that the majority of truck owners don't use the beds very much at all. I had a truck for a long time and it was handy for hauling mulch, soil, drywall, lumber, dogs, etc. But I traded it in for a car now that I need to cart kids more than building materials.

What drives me crazy is the fact that the American auto consumer has bought the notion hook, line and sinker that a truck is necessary and that it is also necessary to have a vehicle capable of managing the wilds of the bush.

nate
01-15-2008, 09:45 AM
Here's what's driving me crazy right now. A decision I made 5 years ago. That was decision was buying a car for the first time in about 15 years. In retrospect, I should've known that everything one hears about this particular manufacturer and their product's reliability was true. But I was tempted by "shiny shiny" and I had the cash to pay for it outright.

It is a 2001, pre-owned with approximately half of its warranty left. This proved to be valuable because:

-within the first week of owning it, it was back in the shop because it leaked oil
-after 6 months, because of the oil leaks, they replaced the engine
-even though they replaced the engine, it still leaked oil
-numerous other nagging problems, latches not closing, O2 sensors going out, etc.

And now, the doozy. I don't really drive that much because I work at home. However, I had been noticing the temperature gauge trending up when I was idling or going slow. I checked the coolant and it was low so I topped it off and that seemed to resolve the problem...for awhile. In early December, the missus and I went out to get our Christmas tree and after we parked, this tremendous vapor cloud emerges from under the hood.

We manage to get the tree and get home, I schedule a service appointment.

Take it in to service and they call back later in the day. I swear the guy said "OK, are you ready for this" with a little laugh. Basically, any place the engine can leak liquid from is. All of the gaskets were hosed. The repair would cost $4500.

This is a (now) 7 year-old car with 64,0000 miles on it. Only 30,000 of those miles were on the "new engine". He further goes on to state that because these vehicles have an aluminum engine block, they run hotter. This coupled with rubber gaskets can cause premature failure. However, he found it be unusual that they failed so spectacularly after only 30,0000 miles (on the new engine). He went on to say if they used something like neoprene in the gaskets, they would be more reliable. So I asked if there was any maintenance I could've done to prevent this and he says no, the engine looks well-maintained. He gives me the number to their corporate affairs office and I start in earnest.

The first person I talked to didn't really seem to have a full grasp on what I was telling her, didn't get back to me in a timely manner and told me after a week that they weren't going to help me. I called back after the holidays, got someone else who was slightly more helpful but couldn't help me until I called back and made the point that how could these seals fail like this after 30k miles your "one year warranty on the parts and unlimited miles be damned." This seemed to strike a chord with her and she bumped me up to the supervisor dude. Supervisor dude goes through the whole "well, your warranty is up, the warranty on the repair is up, you didn't buy the extended warranty, we don't have records of your maintenance, but we'll look into it again." I say that at this point, although in my heart of hearts I _KNOW_ that you guys should pay for the whole thing, I would "settle" for us splitting the bill. His response is that the only thing they can offer is (and this is his word) "goodwill". Great! Goodwill that you can make a product that lasts more than 30,000 miles!

I mean, this isn't a vehicle with 100,000 miles on it. It's not like I've never changed the oil on it, it has 64k miles on it and 30k on the "new" (which I've since found out is simply "rebuilt" rather than replaced altogether) engine.

I'm looking at paying $4500 to get my car back on the road. I estimate that if the thing runs, it's worth about $8000. In it's current condition, maybe $2000. Ugh.

If you want to hazard a guess on the make, I'd give out fake rep but I think I'm going to have to sell a lot of my fake rep to pay for the freaking repair. You'll have to settle for double-fake rep.

Ltlabner
01-15-2008, 09:53 AM
I'm looking at paying $4500 to get my car back on the road. I estimate that if the thing runs, it's worth about $8000. In it's current condition, maybe $2000. Ugh.

If you have the $4500 for the repairs, I'd tell the dealership to keep the hunk of crap and use that money for a downpayment on a real car. If the dealership that squawks about disposing of the old car, just tell them that it's "goodwill" on your part.

That, or find a dealer in town having a "push, pull or drag it in" sale that will give you some amount of trade in no matter what the condition. Use that and your cash and get something else.

nate
01-15-2008, 10:07 AM
If you have the $4500 for the repairs, I'd tell the dealership to keep the hunk of crap and use that money for a downpayment on a real car. If the dealership that squawks about disposing of the old car, just tell them that it's "goodwill" on your part.

That, or find a dealer in town having a "push, pull or drag it in" sale that will give you some amount of trade in no matter what the condition. Use that and your cash and get something else.

rgr, I've discussed that approach. Here's another awesome aspect to the story...

THEY DON'T WANT IT!

Basically, they don't make their money selling you the car, they make money off of you owning the car and having to maintain it. Because this manufacturer is somewhat of a "high-end" (high-$$$ if you own it), they REALLY stick it to you in the service department. I talked to the appraiser there and he said that they only get a 10% break on parts and service from the service guys if they take in a car that needs some work. So they can't really wheel and deal thusly.

I've thought about getting it nice and hot, painting "OFFICIAL SERVICE VEHICLE" on the side and driving it around the dealership whilst it spews vapor like Vesuvius. I'm hoping if all is right in the universe, it will melt into a puddle of slag right in front of their driveway.

If anyone has a time machine so I can go back to 2003 Nate and kick him in the Jimmy before buying this...[redacted] vehicle, that would be cool.

Ltlabner
01-15-2008, 10:12 AM
Basically, they don't make their money selling you the car, they make money off of you owning the car and having to maintain it.

That's about the biggest load of hogwash since BA w/RISP.

Dealerships aren't in business because they love to sell cars. They make money when they sell the car, take a car in trade AND when they service it.

Yachtzee
01-15-2008, 10:16 AM
I feel for you, Nate. I bought a car that was known for its reliability and had to have the engine replaced at 60,000+ miles (outside of warranty). I would have taken it to the dealer who sold me the car, but they had already done a number of things that made me doubt their trustworthiness. So first I took it to another dealer, who said I had to have the engine replaced, which would cost $5000. I thought that was ridiculous for a car with a "name" for reliability. In fact, I felt the issue was likely one that should have been a warranty issue (arose from a defect, not normal wear and tear), but no dice. So I took it to another dealer for a second opinion. They also said the engine needed to be replaced, but also felt that it was ridiculous that it needed a new engine so soon. So they asked me to bring in records of all my oil changes. They then called the manufacturer themselves and got the manufacturer to pay for the new engine. They wouldn't cover the labor costs, but that's still way better than having to buy the new engine.

What did I learn? It's important to find a good dealer who is looking to build a relationship with its customers. They can do a lot to help you out when you have issues with the manufacturer.

nate
01-15-2008, 10:47 AM
I feel for you, Nate. I bought a car that was known for its reliability and had to have the engine replaced at 60,000+ miles (outside of warranty). I would have taken it to the dealer who sold me the car, but they had already done a number of things that made me doubt their trustworthiness. So first I took it to another dealer, who said I had to have the engine replaced, which would cost $5000. I thought that was ridiculous for a car with a "name" for reliability. In fact, I felt the issue was likely one that should have been a warranty issue (arose from a defect, not normal wear and tear), but no dice. So I took it to another dealer for a second opinion. They also said the engine needed to be replaced, but also felt that it was ridiculous that it needed a new engine so soon. So they asked me to bring in records of all my oil changes. They then called the manufacturer themselves and got the manufacturer to pay for the new engine. They wouldn't cover the labor costs, but that's still way better than having to buy the new engine.

What did I learn? It's important to find a good dealer who is looking to build a relationship with its customers. They can do a lot to help you out when you have issues with the manufacturer.

I would settle for a half and half deal. I'll never buy another one but would alleviate some of the "flaming poo bag" desires I have right now.

Unfortunately, I bought into a "name" manufacturer with a history of unreliability.

Cyclone792
01-15-2008, 10:53 AM
If you want to hazard a guess on the make, I'd give out fake rep but I think I'm going to have to sell a lot of my fake rep to pay for the freaking repair. You'll have to settle for double-fake rep.

Many (all?) Saturns have aluminum engine blocks and run hotter (they burn oil something fierce) ... so my guess is you're driving a Saturn.

Roy Tucker
01-15-2008, 11:01 AM
I would settle for a half and half deal. I'll never buy another one but would alleviate some of the "flaming poo bag" desires I have right now.

Unfortunately, I bought into a "name" manufacturer with a history of unreliability.

So what the heck kind of car is this?

Sounds like you're doing what I'd do, i.e. work their system as well as you can in a reasonable manner.

As a last resort when all else fails, I resort to flaming bodily orifice mode where I become completely unreasonable, make a scene, and generally go berserk. I refuse to deal with any underlings and go as high up in the food chain as I possible can. I don't curse or swear, but I become very demanding, ask extremely pointed questions, try to make them uncomfortable, and don't take no for an answer. Making phone calls/writing letters to CEOs is often fun. Sometimes it works. Even if it doesn't, I feel a little better.

Yachtzee
01-15-2008, 11:10 AM
So what the heck kind of car is this?

Sounds like you're doing what I'd do, i.e. work their system as well as you can in a reasonable manner.

As a last resort when all else fails, I resort to flaming bodily orifice mode where I become completely unreasonable, make a scene, and generally go berserk. I refuse to deal with any underlings and go as high up in the food chain as I possible can. I don't curse or swear, but I become very demanding, ask extremely pointed questions, try to make them uncomfortable, and don't take no for an answer. Making phone calls/writing letters to CEOs is often fun. Sometimes it works. Even if it doesn't, I feel a little better.

My dad went so far as to get the contact addresses for people in Germany when my mom's Audi had nasty electrical problems that the dealer failed to resolve.

nate
01-15-2008, 11:37 AM
Many (all?) Saturns have aluminum engine blocks and run hotter (they burn oil something fierce) ... so my guess is you're driving a Saturn.

That's a great guess and makes sense since I'm in TN and Saturn used to be here too but, no.

Think more snooty and not American.

nate
01-15-2008, 11:40 AM
So what the heck kind of car is this?

Well, it looks really good parked in my garage.


Sounds like you're doing what I'd do, i.e. work their system as well as you can in a reasonable manner.

As a last resort when all else fails, I resort to flaming bodily orifice mode where I become completely unreasonable, make a scene, and generally go berserk. I refuse to deal with any underlings and go as high up in the food chain as I possible can. I don't curse or swear, but I become very demanding, ask extremely pointed questions, try to make them uncomfortable, and don't take no for an answer. Making phone calls/writing letters to CEOs is often fun. Sometimes it works. Even if it doesn't, I feel a little better.

This is pretty much what I'm doing. I've ordered a few "poo trebuchet" plans online. We'll see if the dude from their corporate office calls back today. I've also got an ally at the dealer and am trying to get him to help.

I'll reveal the dastardly manufacturer a little later.

Roy Tucker
01-15-2008, 11:50 AM
That's a great guess and makes sense since I'm in TN and Saturn used to be here too but, no.

Think more snooty and not American.

If its English and feline, then you were a little crazy.

nate
01-15-2008, 11:55 AM
If its English and feline, then you were a little crazy.

Close!

But I'm not that crazy.

Rojo
01-15-2008, 07:43 PM
Close!

But I'm not that crazy.


Initials R.R.?

nate
01-15-2008, 09:09 PM
Initials R.R.?

You are in the correct species!

Ltlabner
01-15-2008, 09:19 PM
You are in the correct species!

Land Rover?

BUTLER REDSFAN
01-15-2008, 09:35 PM
OK, where do I start...
1. Being the 15th car back at long green light but ALWAYS being the one who doesn't get thru.
2. Being late to work due to weather related traffic issues only to find out of approximately 200 people you are the only one who's late.
3. Getting to work to find out your shirt or pants has a stain or hole in it that you never saw at home.

nate
01-15-2008, 09:38 PM
Land Rover?

We have a winner! Although, Rojo was close. Maybe you can split the fake secret rep!

GAC
01-15-2008, 09:40 PM
Many (all?) Saturns have aluminum engine blocks and run hotter (they burn oil something fierce) ... so my guess is you're driving a Saturn.


A majority of, if not all, cars manufactured today have aluminum engine blocks.

nate - Have you think about looking into whether your situation falls in the realm of the lemon car law?

http://www.yourlemonlawrights.com/index.html?kw=car%20lemon%20law&gclid=CLnPobrR-ZACFQNisgodY2l52A

Cyclone792
01-15-2008, 10:20 PM
A majority of, if not all, cars manufactured today have aluminum engine blocks.

I wonder what percentage of newer cars with aluminum engine blocks have the same problems that Saturns typically have. Saturns have been notorious for burning extreme amounts of oil because the engines run hot, and they'll also go through spark plugs very frequently. The running joke with Saturns is that you should check your oil everytime you fill up your gas tank.

nate
01-15-2008, 10:35 PM
A majority of, if not all, cars manufactured today have aluminum engine blocks.

nate - Have you think about looking into whether your situation falls in the realm of the lemon car law?

http://www.yourlemonlawrights.com/index.html?kw=car%20lemon%20law&gclid=CLnPobrR-ZACFQNisgodY2l52A

I've looked at it a little bit. I'm not sure if this fits into my cursory understanding but I'll look a little deeper.

Highlifeman21
01-15-2008, 11:08 PM
We have a winner! Although, Rojo was close. Maybe you can split the fake secret rep!

So what's the model of the Land Rover?

I've recently been looking at Land Rovers, and any info (positive or negative) is always appreciated.

nate
01-16-2008, 12:01 AM
So what's the model of the Land Rover?

I've recently been looking at Land Rovers, and any info (positive or negative) is always appreciated.

It's a 2001 Discovery II LE. I bought it in 2003 with 25k miles on it. It had a 5 year / 50k warranty. Plusses:

*I like the way it drives and handles. I've always been a truck guy so I like sitting up high.
*The LE is a bit rare and has a cool interior (leather accents!)
*It will go anywhere, through everything (if it's running)
*The dealers are very courteous and nice

Bads

*It's underpowered. It has a 4 liter V8 but the thing is HEAVY (for some reason, 3 tons sticks in my head). I had an opportunity to drive a 2003 Disco II (one of the many times the thing was in for service) which has a 4.6 liter. It's better but still sluggish.
*You have to feed it premium gas. You _WILL_ notice a difference if you don't. I put regular in it which caused engine pinging and bad uphill acceleration.
*The service. As long as it's under warranty and you don't mind the ocassional inconvenience, go for it. I met a guy at the Land Rover dealer who would simply trade-in his Range Rovers just before the warranty ran out.
*Not just big things, but little things go wrong. My gas door latch wouldn't keep closed and I took it back several times to fix that. One day, the rear view mirror fell off. The glove box opens randomly. The little sun screens in the sunroof wouldn't roll up properly. It's not a Swiss watch.
*The cargo capacity sucks. It seems like there's a lot of space, but there really isn't. That's kind of the problem with a lot of modern SUVs because they take the "sport" aspect to seriously. It basically has a big trunk.
*Accessories are expensive. I wanted to get a bike carrier. Found out mine didn't have a hitch installed. To get one, it would cost $700 (from the dealer, of course). There were some aftermarket models one could get for around $300 but you had to install it yourself.
*You'll get to know your service people on a first-name basis.

So there you go. Dunno what model you're looking but I'd stay away from the Discovery II...well, I'd stay away from all of them at this point.

Unless you want to buy a 2001 LE that needs some engine work!

Highlifeman21
01-16-2008, 01:31 AM
I was looking at a 2004 Discovery.

Maybe I'm not looking at it anymore.

Cedric
01-16-2008, 01:32 AM
Mick Cronin and Mike Thomas right now are bothering me the most. Luckily I am almost finished with grad school and can get away from them. I seem to walk past them both talking once a week and that's unbearable for me. :) I know that will be hated by some but it's the truth for me. I couldn't have less respect for two men than I do those two guys.

WMR
01-16-2008, 01:53 AM
Granted, there are people who NEED trucks like you Nate, but my guess is that the majority of truck owners don't use the beds very much at all. I had a truck for a long time and it was handy for hauling mulch, soil, drywall, lumber, dogs, etc. But I traded it in for a car now that I need to cart kids more than building materials.

What drives me crazy is the fact that the American auto consumer has bought the notion hook, line and sinker that a truck is necessary and that it is also necessary to have a vehicle capable of managing the wilds of the bush.

I think having a pick-up is one of the handiest things one can own.

SunDeck
01-16-2008, 09:33 AM
I think having a pick-up is one of the handiest things one can own.

If you're handy, yes. There should be a law- you should have to bring your tools to the dealership. If all you have is this, then you can't buy the truck.

http://dyn-images.hsn.com/is/image/HomeShoppingNetwork/192591?$pd400$

TeamCasey
01-16-2008, 10:46 AM
I think having a pick-up is one of the handiest things one can own.

:) Not if you live in upstate NY and ice fish.

I buried my truck in more snow banks than you can count.

I had tons of weight in the back too.

One reason why I'd hesitate to buy a truck again: people either want to borrow it or want you to move something. It can be a weekend killer.

Rojo
01-16-2008, 02:17 PM
I think having a pick-up is one of the handiest things one can own.

I have a friend from Cincy who's lived in the UK for the past 15 years and visited recently. He commented on the amount of pick-ups, which are rare in Europe. He's a contractor and drives a van as most do over there. I never thought about it but it does make much more sense. You have the same cargo capacity and your stuff is always protected from the elements and thieves. The only disadvantage is you can't top load (and that rarely happens) and you can't haul really vertical stuff (again rare).

*BaseClogger*
01-16-2008, 02:20 PM
Granted, there are people who NEED trucks like you Nate, but my guess is that the majority of truck owners don't use the beds very much at all. I had a truck for a long time and it was handy for hauling mulch, soil, drywall, lumber, dogs, etc. But I traded it in for a car now that I need to cart kids more than building materials.

What drives me crazy is the fact that the American auto consumer has bought the notion hook, line and sinker that a truck is necessary and that it is also necessary to have a vehicle capable of managing the wilds of the bush.

thank you

RichRed
01-16-2008, 02:41 PM
Parking garages. For some reason, I get all kinds of confused in them, which makes me feel like a complete moron. Got turned around in one last night.

durl
01-16-2008, 03:21 PM
Given that, why in the HELL am I subjected to advertisements that laud the ability of automobiles in such a way? It's beyond stupid -- I drive my car to and from work. The majority of people who own pickup trucks work 9-5 jobs in offices. Most people who own an SUV will never take it off-road because they still owe too much money on it to risk totaling it. Stick to the facts people care about in commercials -- or at least make me laugh, but don't sell me on abilities of a product I'll never need.

I'll offer a couple of reasons:

- There are a lot of people that do need a truck that can haul large payloads so a commercial touting a truck's toughness is what they need to see. Let a manufacturer put together a commercial showing their non-4x4, 120hp, flimsy, just-enough-for-your-commute, truck. That vehicle won't last long because it doesn't live up to what a truck represents to the core truck buyer: strength to do the big job. If no core customer exists, the product will fail.

- People like having a vehicle capable of doing tough things although they may never test it's limits. Most cars in America will go 120mph but I'd say that a very small minority will ever touch that limit. A Porsche may hit .99 on the skidpad but most owners will never come close to needing that level of grip.

- People like the way they look.

BRM
01-16-2008, 03:26 PM
One reason why I'd hesitate to buy a truck again: people either want to borrow it or want you to move something. It can be a weekend killer.

Not if you just say "no". ;)

Lots of truck haters in this thread.

WMR
01-16-2008, 03:33 PM
I have a friend from Cincy who's lived in the UK for the past 15 years and visited recently. He commented on the amount of pick-ups, which are rare in Europe. He's a contractor and drives a van as most do over there. I never thought about it but it does make much more sense. You have the same cargo capacity and your stuff is always protected from the elements and thieves. The only disadvantage is you can't top load (and that rarely happens) and you can't haul really vertical stuff (again rare).

I take it your friend hasn't seen the Seinfeld episode where Jerry is given a van.

"Ugh... Now I'm a van guy?"

:laugh: :lol:

BRM
01-16-2008, 03:37 PM
I take it your friend hasn't seen the Seinfeld episode where Jerry is given a van.

"Ugh... Now I'm a van guy?"

:laugh: :lol:

That was a good one.

One other difference is a van can't pull a gooseneck trailer. Another rare occurrence I know but a difference nonetheless. I'd take a gooseneck over a bumper pull anyday.

TeamCasey
01-16-2008, 03:47 PM
Not if you just say "no". ;)

Lots of truck haters in this thread.

:p: Not a truck hater .... I just probably needed more of an SUV back then.

Chevy S-10 in ice and snow on remote roads was not good.

TeamCasey
01-16-2008, 03:48 PM
I hate when people throw cigarette butts out a car window. Infuriating .... and I'm a smoker.

I have this visual of one hitting me in the eye or blowing up my car.

BRM
01-16-2008, 03:53 PM
Chevy S-10 in ice and snow on remote roads was not good.

I had a 2 wheel drive S-10 when I lived in North Dakota for a year and a half. I slid off the road a time or two. ;)

Ltlabner
01-16-2008, 04:12 PM
Not if you just say "no". ;)

Lots of truck haters in this thread.

No kidding.

Wonder what kind of furror it would create if we suggested they pass a law to ban all tin-can, roller-skate car simply because we "didn't see the need" for them?

That said, we have a mini van and when you take the seats out you can pack an amazing amount of stuff in it. Can't haul a load of mulch, sand or gravel in it but it can hold most of the stuff we need for our household projects.

Cyclone792
01-16-2008, 04:16 PM
I take it your friend hasn't seen the Seinfeld episode where Jerry is given a van.

"Ugh... Now I'm a van guy?"

:laugh: :lol:

Kramer: Jerry, it says here "Interesting trades considered."
Jerry: You put that there.

LoganBuck
01-16-2008, 04:19 PM
If the van is rocking, don't come knocking.

If my parents catch me having sex with my cousin.....

RichRed
01-16-2008, 04:23 PM
Sounds like nate might consider trading in his car for Anthony Quinn's t-shirt.

LoganBuck
01-16-2008, 04:32 PM
I drive a Chevy 2500HD 4x4 Ext Cab Short Bed. I am a farmer, I wanted the extended cab, because I do haul the kids, and they needed somewhere safe to ride. The shortbed was so I could pull it in the garage if I needed to get something in my garage and out of the rain. A longbed extended cab would not have fit. I pull things all the time, and always have something in the bed that I would not want in the cab.

That being said, I do look down my nose at people that have no business owning a big truck, especially when I see them in shopping malls, and other places where a massive truck does not belong. I especially like to laugh at my father in law, with his Ford F150 off road 4x4, who has a lawn mower trailer that he might pull once a year. He is always washing his truck and built a garage with a grate in the floor so he can wash is truck inside year round. I have a gravel driveway, and sometime when he comes out to our house he complains about how he has to go home and wash his truck. I am all for having pride in your vehicle but come on.

BRM
01-16-2008, 04:37 PM
That being said, I do look down my nose at people that have no business owning a big truck, especially when I see them in shopping malls, and other places where a massive truck does not belong.

I guess I'm confused with the idea that just because someone drove their big truck to the shopping mall, that somehow means they don't need to own that truck. All we own is a crew cab, long bed F350 and a little Toyota pickup that I drive to work most of the time. If my F350 doesn't belong at the mall or a restaurant, how else do I get there? I surely can't take the kids and the wife into town in my little Toyota.

WMR
01-16-2008, 04:38 PM
I guess I'm confused with the idea that just because someone drove their big truck to the shopping mall, that somehow means they don't need to own that truck. All we own is a crew cab, long bed F350 and a little Toyota pickup that I drive to work most of the time. If my F350 doesn't belong at the mall or a restaurant, how else do I get there? I surely can't take the kids and the wife into town in my little Toyota.

You need to get one of those 4-seater bicycles.

BRM
01-16-2008, 04:39 PM
You need to get one of those 4-seater bicycles.

:laugh:

That would be one LONG ride. We live about 35 miles from the city.

WMR
01-16-2008, 04:40 PM
BRM and Family head to the mall...

http://files.blog-city.com/files/aa/32997/p/f/bike_2004_0441.gif

WMR
01-16-2008, 04:41 PM
I guess I'm confused with the idea that just because someone drove their big truck to the shopping mall, that somehow means they don't need to own that truck. All we own is a crew cab, long bed F350 and a little Toyota pickup that I drive to work most of the time. If my F350 doesn't belong at the mall or a restaurant, how else do I get there? I surely can't take the kids and the wife into town in my little Toyota.

DUH, people who drive big trucks only shop at Tractor Supply Company and flea markets.

BRM
01-16-2008, 04:41 PM
Wrong family. We don't wear flip-flops out here. Too many rattlesnakes.

BRM
01-16-2008, 04:42 PM
DUH, people who drive big trucks only shop at Tractor Supply Company and flea markets.

I wish we had a Tractor Supply out here. We have Big R, which is similar but not quite as good. And great deals can be had at the flea market. :p:

SunDeck
01-16-2008, 05:02 PM
This is what the DOE reported on light truck sales back in the late 90's:


Sales of light trucks have escalated rapidly from 9.4 percent of all vehicles sales in 1979 to 29.6 percent in 1990 and 43.2 percent in 1997
Source: Annual Energy Outlook, 1999

It's not that I'm a truck hater, or that I don't believe the pristine F250 parked next to mine at the mall is not used in some capacity as a work vehicle, but the reality is this- with the low price of gasoline in the 90's, people bought bigger vehicles- mostly trucks and SUVs. It's hard for me to believe that the number of contractors, farmers, steel workers, and others who have a professional need for trucks increased at the same rate as truck sales.

That's all I'm saying.

BRM
01-16-2008, 05:06 PM
It's not that I'm a truck hater, or that I don't believe the pristine F250 parked next to mine at the mall is not used in some capacity as a work vehicle, but the reality is this- with the low price of gasoline in the 90's, people bought bigger vehicles- mostly trucks and SUVs. It's hard for me to believe that the number of contractors, farmers, steel workers, and others who have a professional need for trucks increased at the same rate as truck sales.


That's a fair point. I certainly would never argue that everyone who owns a larger truck needs it. My personal feeling is I simply don't care. If someone wants to drive a 10 mpg SUV or pickup, so be it. It's their checkbook.

Caveat Emperor
01-16-2008, 05:15 PM
That's a fair point. I certainly would never argue that everyone who owns a larger truck needs it. My personal feeling is I simply don't care. If someone wants to drive a 10 mpg SUV or pickup, so be it. It's their checkbook.

In the micro, yes. It is their money, and they're free to waste how they see fit.

In the macro, no. Lots of inefficent vehicle ownership leads to increase demand for fuel, which raises price.

BRM
01-16-2008, 05:19 PM
In the micro, yes. It is their money, and they're free to waste how they see fit.

In the macro, no. Lots of inefficent vehicle ownership leads to increase demand for fuel, which raises price.

Also a fair point. I wonder how much of an impact it really is. If everyone who didn't have a clear need to own an SUV/Truck traded them in for smaller fuel-efficient cars, what would the impact truly be at the pumps? I'm sure it would have an impact of some sort but how much? I know there really is no way to know for sure but it is an interesting thought.

Dom Heffner
01-16-2008, 05:22 PM
If everyone who didn't have a clear need to own an SUV/Truck traded them in for smaller fuel-efficient cars, what would the impact truly be at the pumps?

Supply would be affected greatly, because I'd argue there is nobody that couldn't live without one. Convenient, yes, necessary, no.

I drive one, and as much as I take advantage of it, I could certainly do without it.

Ltlabner
01-16-2008, 05:24 PM
In the macro, no. Lots of inefficent vehicle ownership leads to increase demand for fuel, which raises price.

If you start saying people can't have trucks because they are inefficent, then you must also eliminate RV's, limos, large sedans (Crown Vics), and sports cars.

Then to really make sure we are using energy correctly, we'll need to come over to your house and make sure all your lights are turned off, you only have one TV and your heat isn't set above 65F in the winter. Of corse, we'll have to confiscate the computer you are using to make all of these "energy inefficent" posts on RZ.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for reducing energy consumption and increasing the effeciencies of vechiles. It's when people start saying "you know what YOU should do to save the world" that things get squirly. (I'm saying "you" as in the general you, not CE specifcially)

BRM
01-16-2008, 05:27 PM
Supply would be affected greatly, because I'd argue there is nobody that couldn't live without one. Convenient, yes, necessary, no.

I drive one, and as much as I take advantage of it, I could certainly do without it.

I could live without my truck only if I sold all of my livestock and horses. Unless you were referring only to SUV's, I'd argue that lots of people could not live without their pickups.

BRM
01-16-2008, 05:28 PM
If you start saying people can't have trucks because they are inefficent, then you must also eliminate RV's, limos, large sedans (Crown Vics), and sports cars.


This is usually where the discussion goes and typically where I steer it. ;)

Trucks and SUV's are by no means the only "wasteful" vehicles on the road, that's for sure. Just eliminate the RV business altogether if we are going down that path.

Caveat Emperor
01-16-2008, 05:32 PM
If you start saying people can't have trucks because they are inefficent, then you must also eliminate RV's, limos, large sedans (Crown Vics), and sports cars.

Then to really make sure we are using energy correctly, we'll need to come over to your house and make sure all your lights are turned off, you only have one TV and your heat isn't set above 65F in the winter. Of corse, we'll have to confiscate the computer you are using to make all of these "energy inefficent" posts on RZ.

When do we get to come over and make sure you aren't wasting any energy?

You'll note, I did say "inefficient vehicles" -- I'm not limiting myself to just trucks here. Heavy-Duty Trucks & SUVs are, by far, the worst offenders in the group, though. There's an entirely different debate that can be raised regarding cars which contain entirely too much horsepower for everyday driving (which is also inefficent), but that really isn't at issue here.

I don't want to turn this into a political debate, so I'll just refrain from any further comment.

BRM
01-16-2008, 05:36 PM
You'll note, I did say "inefficient vehicles" -- I'm not limiting myself to just trucks here. Heavy-Duty Trucks & SUVs are, by far, the worst offenders in the group, though. There's an entirely different debate that can be raised regarding cars which contain entirely too much horsepower for everyday driving (which is also inefficent), but that really isn't at issue here.

I don't want to turn this into a political debate, so I'll just refrain from any further comment.

I'm not sure how it would get "political" but I have to point out that sports cars and large sedans don't do much better than trucks and SUV's when it comes to fuel mileage, if they do better at all. RV's do much worse, although they typically don't get driven around all that much.

WMR
01-16-2008, 05:40 PM
Supply would be affected greatly, because I'd argue there is nobody that couldn't live without one. Convenient, yes, necessary, no.

I drive one, and as much as I take advantage of it, I could certainly do without it.

Don't have many farmers down there in Tampa????

SunDeck
01-16-2008, 05:41 PM
That's a fair point. I certainly would never argue that everyone who owns a larger truck needs it. My personal feeling is I simply don't care. If someone wants to drive a 10 mpg SUV or pickup, so be it. It's their checkbook.

Well, this is a thread about things that drive people crazy and I don't feel compelled to defend the rationality of my own pet peeves. :)

WMR
01-16-2008, 05:41 PM
I could live without my truck only if I sold all of my livestock and horses. Unless you were referring only to SUV's, I'd argue that lots of people could not live without their pickups.

No kidding!!

The comment that "MOST LARGE TRUCK OWNERS COULD ELIMINATE THEIR LARGE TRUCK OWNERSHIP B/C IT IS A LUXURY" is quite ridiculous.

BRM
01-16-2008, 05:42 PM
Well, this is a thread about things that drive people crazy and I don't feel compelled to defend the rationality of my own pet peeves. :)

Fair enough. We have sort of side-tracked this thread, haven't we. I'll bow out myself.

Ltlabner
01-16-2008, 05:45 PM
Back to pet peeves....

You ask a coworker, who's job it is to support your activities, to perform a task. You explain the outcome you would like them to acheive and leave it up to them to get the job done. They say, "yep, got it" and you leave it to them to acomplish the task.

And they proceed to do everything but what you asked them to do.

BRM
01-16-2008, 05:47 PM
I hate when people throw cigarette butts out a car window. Infuriating .... and I'm a smoker.

I have this visual of one hitting me in the eye or blowing up my car.

This one drives me crazy as well.

SunDeck
01-16-2008, 05:48 PM
If you start saying people can't have trucks because they are inefficent, then you must also eliminate RV's, limos, large sedans (Crown Vics), and sports cars.

Then to really make sure we are using energy correctly, we'll need to come over to your house and make sure all your lights are turned off, you only have one TV and your heat isn't set above 65F in the winter. Of corse, we'll have to confiscate the computer you are using to make all of these "energy inefficent" posts on RZ.


Or we could use these:
http://bp2.blogger.com/_DfnfWl8on4I/RlddpT-wXrI/AAAAAAAAANM/82w-yi60x9M/s320/ration.jpg

BRM
01-16-2008, 05:51 PM
I've got one for WilyMoRocks. I know this drives him crazy.

Indiana 14-1

RichRed
01-16-2008, 05:51 PM
Here's an office classic:

Employee A temporarily sits at Employee B’s desk. Employee C walks by and says, “Employee B, how you’ve changed!” because that’s always hilarious.

Or does that only happen where I work?

Cyclone792
01-16-2008, 05:52 PM
Not if you just say "no". ;)

Lots of truck haters in this thread.

My beef with pick-up trucks and SUVs is twofold, 1) that it's very difficult to see around them, and 2) I find a larger ratio of jerks driving them than I see regular cars (note: jerks drive everything, but I do tend to see more jerks in trucks/SUVs). I also see more pick-ups and SUVs putting their brights on people in front of them than I see with cars.

One thing that's really irritating in heavy traffic on the expressway is being behind a truck/SUV who is tailing the person in front of them. All I happen to see is a big truck/SUV constantly slamming on their brakes for no reason at all. If it was a car in front of me being an idiot and tailing the person in front of them, I'd at least be able to see that car being tailed and could easily base my speed off their speed. But that's not the case with a truck/SUV.

Yachtzee
01-16-2008, 05:54 PM
Here's an office classic:

Employee A temporarily sits at Employee B’s desk. Employee C walks by and says, “Employee B, how you’ve changed!” because that’s always hilarious.

Or does that only happen where I work?

Sounds like someone has a bad case of the "Mondays." ;)

Ltlabner
01-16-2008, 05:57 PM
Ok...this just happened.

Called the front desk and asked if they happened to have the phone number for the closest Papa Johns pizza (if not, I'd look it up).

The lady responded with, "we have an awesome Hometown, their number is blah blah blah".

I understand the lady was trying to be helpfull and nice, but she completely ignored what I asked for, didn't say whether she had the PJ number or not, and then proceeded to tell me what she thought was best.

Not enough to qualify as a "thing that drives me crazy". Maybe it's more of a "slightly irritating like a skin rash" level.

WMR
01-16-2008, 05:57 PM
I'll tell you what ticks me off: When you get in front of someone when it is dark... I mean, not being a jerk about it or anything... there is ample space, you use your turning signal, check your blind spot, the whole nine yards, and for some reason it just pisses them off to no end and they turn their brights on you. I never hit the brakes, but I sure feel like it.

BRM
01-16-2008, 05:59 PM
My beef with pick-up trucks and SUVs is twofold, 1) that it's very difficult to see around them, and 2) I find a larger ratio of jerks driving them than I see regular cars (note: jerks drive everything, but I do tend to see more jerks in trucks/SUVs). I also see more pick-ups and SUVs putting their brights on people in front of them than I see with cars.

One thing that's really irritating in heavy traffic on the expressway is being behind a truck/SUV who is tailing the person in front of them. All I happen to see is a big truck/SUV constantly slamming on their brakes for no reason at all. If it was a car in front of me being an idiot and tailing the person in front of them, I'd at least be able to see that car being tailed and could easily base my speed off their speed. But that's not the case with a truck/SUV.

Personally, I see more irritating and irresponsible drivers in minivans than I do trucks. Maybe it's just me. :dunno:

BRM
01-16-2008, 06:01 PM
I'll tell you what ticks me off: When you get in front of someone when it is dark... I mean, not being a jerk about it or anything... there is ample space, you use your turning signal, check your blind spot, the whole nine yards, and for some reason it just pisses them off to no end and they turn their brights on you. I never hit the brakes, but I sure feel like it.

What's better is when they see you want to switch lanes so they speed up and close the gap, not allowing you to switch. This happens a lot on merge lanes. People simply refuse to slow up a little and let you in. Drives me crazy.

WMR
01-16-2008, 06:04 PM
What's better is when they see you want to switch lanes so they speed up and close the gap, not allowing you to switch. This happens a lot on merge lanes. People simply refuse to slow up a little and let you in. Drives me crazy.

I'll tell you an exception to that rule: When you see a road construction sign for example that clearly shows a lane is ending in 2 miles... EVERYONE else gets over except for the one jerk who guns it to the very end of the line, and either stops and hits his turning single or just forces his way in. You see this a lot during ballgame traffic. I refuse to let those a-holes in. :laugh:

Cyclone792
01-16-2008, 06:06 PM
Personally, I see more irritating and irresponsible drivers in minivans than I do trucks. Maybe it's just me. :dunno:

My observation of minivans is that more of them tend to be slow, lazy, and just generally oblivious of their surroundings ... and I'd consider being oblivious of your surroundings as being irresponsible on the road. They're the type you're most likely to see going five mph under the speed limit in the fast lane.

BRM
01-16-2008, 06:07 PM
My observation of minivans is that more of them tend to be slow, lazy, and just generally oblivious of their surroundings ... and I'd consider being oblivious of your surroundings as being irresponsible on the road. They're the type you're most likely to see going five mph under the speed limit in the fast lane.

Generally oblivious...I agree with that. It's frustrating to say the least.

BRM
01-16-2008, 06:07 PM
I'll tell you an exception to that rule: When you see a road construction sign for example that clearly shows a lane is ending in 2 miles... EVERYONE else gets over except for the one jerk who guns it to the very end of the line, and either stops and hits his turning single or just forces his way in. You see this a lot during ballgame traffic. I refuse to let those a-holes in. :laugh:

Same here. I don't care how mad they get at me, I don't let them in.

SunDeck
01-16-2008, 06:08 PM
It's pretty simple:

Step one: Decide to switch lanes.
Step two: Check mirrors, verify that you have a place to go.
Step three: Activate turn signal, wait two clicks.
Step four: Change lanes.
Step five: Deactivate turn signal.

Doesn't everyone do this?

Ltlabner
01-16-2008, 06:11 PM
People who can't figure out that when you back out of a parking spot and someone is waiting on said spot, that you have to either

(1) back up a little further than normal if you choose to face the person so you have enough room to pull forward and bring the car around to go down the lane should they be too close to you for your car to make the turn - I've seen people back out 1" past the end of the space and then sit and stare at you because they don't have enough room to get by you.

(2) back up wide if you choose to face away from the person if the other driver has left enough room for you, and then be on your way when you pull forward - I've seen people back out and turn the wheel as hard as possible and then sit and stare at you because they can't get all of the way out of the space.

There seems to be a correlation between the amount of blue hair in the car and the inability to acomplish this task.

WMR
01-16-2008, 06:14 PM
Pretty much all the boaters on Lake Cumberland, especially the Buckeye Army on whichever lake in Kentucky they invade. (sorry Buckeyes).

People who drive their boat too close to your boat as they drive past when you're fishing along a bank.

Rojo
01-16-2008, 07:17 PM
BRM and Family head to the mall...

http://files.blog-city.com/files/aa/32997/p/f/bike_2004_0441.gif

I guess this is meant to mock. Funny thing is that family is probably happier than 90% of the families in this country.

Dom Heffner
01-16-2008, 07:27 PM
I guess this is meant to mock. Funny thing is that family is probably happier than 90% of the families in this country.


How does one define happiness?

I doubt this family is any happier than any family here because neither knows any better.

Rojo
01-16-2008, 08:32 PM
How does one define happiness?

I doubt this family is any happier than any family here because neither knows any better.

Most Americans, for the first time, expect their kids to have it worse off than they do. I'd say they have known better.

GAC
01-16-2008, 09:38 PM
I wonder what percentage of newer cars with aluminum engine blocks have the same problems that Saturns typically have.

I first have to correct myself. I talked with some engineers at work, because I stated earlier that I thought most, if not all, cars today have aluminum engine blocks. They told me that is not true. While a majority do. There are still models made with cast iron blocks.

But to answer your above question..... ALL Hondas have aluminum engine blocks, and we have never had any market claims as to what you and others are revealing about Saturns.

I will reveal this - the Saturn Vue has a Honda engine. The contract just expired in '07; but for the last few years, GM has had a contract with Honda where we made the engine for that particular Saturn model only. And I just found out that there is a new contract with GM to be finalized sometime in '08. Don't know as of yet which model though.



Saturns have been notorious for burning extreme amounts of oil because the engines run hot, and they'll also go through spark plugs very frequently. The running joke with Saturns is that you should check your oil everytime you fill up your gas tank.

Are the problems you're describing only peculiar to certain Saturn models?

LoganBuck
01-16-2008, 10:10 PM
People who drive their boat too close to your boat as they drive past when you're fishing along a bank.

Instant Rage! Nothing honks me off more than that, or even worse, the other fisherman in the boat, who sees you obviously fishing from the shore, exchanges pleasantries, and then proceeds to troll all around your area, instead of cutting you a wide berth. I have purposely thrown rocks into the water after they pass to get the message across.

WMR
01-16-2008, 10:16 PM
Instant Rage! Nothing honks me off more than that, or even worse, the other fisherman in the boat, who sees you obviously fishing from the shore, exchanges pleasantries, and then proceeds to troll all around your area, instead of cutting you a wide berth. I have purposely thrown rocks into the water after they pass to get the message across.

I have to give major props to my dad. He really hammered everything about "boat etiquette" into my head, as well as the proper way to drive on a busy lake, proper way to drive on a river with shallow parts, proper way to drive around a corner, safety, etc. etc.... Mainly because, as I'm sure you know, boating/fishing can be so incredibly dangerous, especially with the large percentage of idiots (often drunk idiots) that one encounters.

Chip R
01-16-2008, 10:17 PM
I first have to correct myself. I talked with some engineers at work, because I stated earlier that I thought most, if not all, cars today have aluminum engine blocks. They told me that is not true. While a majority do. There are still models made with cast iron blocks.

But to answer your above question..... ALL Hondas have aluminum engine blocks, and we have never had any market claims as to what you and others are revealing about Saturns.

I will reveal this - the Saturn Vue has a Honda engine. The contract just expired in '07; but for the last few years, GM has had a contract with Honda where we made the engine for that particular Saturn model only. And I just found out that there is a new contract with GM to be finalized sometime in '08. Don't know as of yet which model though.



This commercial brought to you by Honda. ;)

Cyclone792
01-16-2008, 10:55 PM
I first have to correct myself. I talked with some engineers at work, because I stated earlier that I thought most, if not all, cars today have aluminum engine blocks. They told me that is not true. While a majority do. There are still models made with cast iron blocks.

But to answer your above question..... ALL Hondas have aluminum engine blocks, and we have never had any market claims as to what you and others are revealing about Saturns.

I will reveal this - the Saturn Vue has a Honda engine. The contract just expired in '07; but for the last few years, GM has had a contract with Honda where we made the engine for that particular Saturn model only. And I just found out that there is a new contract with GM to be finalized sometime in '08. Don't know as of yet which model though.

Are the problems you're describing only peculiar to certain Saturn models?

Very prevalent with their S-Series models, which they discontinued around 2002 or so. I just did a quick search, and almost all of the burning oil issues I've found are related to the S-Series so hopefully that isn't an issue with Saturns any longer.

My second car/winter beater is a 1996 Saturn SL1, which I've had since 2000. That car has burned oil ever since I've had it, even back when I bought it and it was only four years old. The car was burning about a quart of oil every 500 miles or so when I first bought it in 2000, and now it's burning a quart of oil every 100-150 miles (granted, it now has 209k miles on it). I've heard plenty of people with those S-Series models complain that the cars burned a quart of oil 500-1,000 miles even when they were only two or three years old.

BTW, those models also had some serious transmission issues, both in regular upshifting and a "reverse slam" when attempting to put them in reverse.

deltachi8
01-16-2008, 11:00 PM
I had a 1998 Saturn SL1 and after it hit 100K, it did start to burn oil. A mechanic told me it was common in saturns with high miles and really the only thing to do (given the worth of the car at that point) is check it every time you fill up and carry oil with you to add when needed.

I now have a 2005 Vue and really like it. I do believe the engine was made by Honda and it runs quite well and efficiently.

BRM
01-17-2008, 10:22 AM
People who drive their boat too close to your boat as they drive past when you're fishing along a bank.

Oh man, am I ever with you on that one.

WMR
01-17-2008, 03:12 PM
I've got one for WilyMoRocks. I know this drives him crazy.

Indiana 14-1

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BRM
01-17-2008, 03:15 PM
I get the red X. Are you posting dirty pictures again?

WMR
01-17-2008, 03:19 PM
You must not have flash enabled on your browser.

hehe, no a funny gif.

Dom Heffner
01-19-2008, 02:23 PM
A few more:

I hate the "Program Not Responding" error in Windows. It only gives you the choice to either end the program or to cancel the window.

I guess my question is, who doesn't want the program to end? Why would you leave a program open that is not responding? For me, Windows should be able to get the program responding again and it should be seamless. I shouldn't have to fill out a questionnaire to end a program and then open it right back up. Mindless.

Also- I can't stand it on message boards when people post things like, "We really shouldn't be talking about this," or "I think someone should close this thread."

Message boards have moderators and that's their job. If you want to go out for it, go out for it, but don't be the uncredited assistant.

I also can't stand people who are insecure about themselves so they have to criticize what I'm attracted to.

"You only like her becuase she's nice looking."

Yeah, and since I'm the one who gets to decide what I'm attracted to, shut your mouth.

GAC
01-19-2008, 02:31 PM
Don't know if it has been mentioned or not, but anymore I simply hate the word "awesome". My older sister uses it constantly...... "Oh Greg, you really need to see or hear this. It was so awesome!!!"... "This speaker was awesome!"..... that program was sooooo awesome!

Drives me nuts!!!!

macro
01-23-2008, 07:00 PM
I experienced two today:

It annoys me when I'm in a long line at the supermarket and have been waiting for a while, then a worker opens up another register. The people who have been waiting only a short time and are at the back of the line then peel off and get first dibs at the newly-opened register, while you continue to wait in the original line.

Also, static electricity in the winter. Every time I get out of my vehicle and touch the door...POP! It doesn't feel very good.

Rojo
01-23-2008, 08:13 PM
I experienced two today:

It annoys me when I'm in a long line at the supermarket and have been waiting for a while, then a worker opens up another register. The people who have been waiting only a short time and are at the back of the line then peel off and get first dibs at the newly-opened register, while you continue to wait in the original line.

When I worked retail, I made sure to quietly approach the next person in line and bring them to the new register. Who followed that person I couldn't control.

Another thing I don't like is the demise of the pocket-sized paperback. Publishers starting releasing everything in "trade paperback" about 15 years ago so they could rationalize charging more. I like a book that fits in my back pocket.

MWM
01-23-2008, 08:19 PM
People that use the elevator to go up or down 1 flight of stairs.

I got caught in some traffice this morning and was scrambling to get to a meeting on time. I pile onto the elevator and wouldn't you know it, someone else on there was going up 1 floor. Take the freaking stairs.

RFS62
01-23-2008, 09:09 PM
People that use the elevator to go up or down 1 flight of stairs.

I got caught in some traffice this morning and was scrambling to get to a meeting on time. I pile onto the elevator and wouldn't you know it, someone else on there was going up 1 floor. Take the freaking stairs.


You should have beaten him to within an inch of his life.

Just sayin'.

MWM
01-23-2008, 09:12 PM
You should have beaten him to within an inch of his life.

Just sayin'.


It was a her.

GAC
01-23-2008, 09:23 PM
It was a her.

So? :D

Falls City Beer
01-23-2008, 09:24 PM
Walking into a public restroom and hearing someone barf. What's UP with that?!!!

LoganBuck
01-23-2008, 10:28 PM
Walking into a public restroom and hearing someone barf. What's UP with that?!!!

Would you rather the hallway, or just outside the front door? Perhaps in a nice potted plant.

Caveat Emperor
01-24-2008, 12:27 AM
People that use the elevator to go up or down 1 flight of stairs.

This bothers the hell out of me.

My building is especially bad for it because all the floors are locked on the stairs. If you don't have a key to a particular set of floors, you can't use the stairwell.

Floors 2 & 3 are the PD's offices. People trying to either get a public defender or meet with their PD never seem to go to the right floor. Inevitably, when you're riding the elevator, you'll stop on 2, pick someone up, and stop on 3 to drop them off. If you're going down, it's the exact opposite. Every day it annoys me just a little bit more.

Roy Tucker
01-24-2008, 12:54 AM
When somebody on an airplane wants to trade seats with you to sit by their wife/husband and you have an aisle seat and they have a middle seat between 2 NFL lineman and they make a big show of asking so if you say no, you look like a big schmuck.

LoganBuck
01-24-2008, 02:41 PM
When somebody on an airplane wants to trade seats with you to sit by their wife/husband and you have an aisle seat and they have a middle seat between 2 NFL lineman and they make a big show of asking so if you say no, you look like a big schmuck.

That happened to me once when I was in college before 9/11. I responded if I change seats with you they won't be able to recognize my carcass after we crash. The guy asked the people he was next to change seats instead. So I ended up sitting next to a crazy tattoed guy. We ended up playing poker. It was kind of cool, but I kept my isle seat.

pedro
01-24-2008, 02:44 PM
When somebody on an airplane wants to trade seats with you to sit by their wife/husband and you have an aisle seat and they have a middle seat between 2 NFL lineman and they make a big show of asking so if you say no, you look like a big schmuck.

I'll never move to a middle seat unless it's for a parent and child who have separate seats.

And I never feel bad about it.

Highlifeman21
01-24-2008, 02:46 PM
Car insurance companies annoy the heck of out me, especially when I'm processing claims to get paid on glass jobs or collision jobs.

Travelers is the only company I like when it comes to this. The rest of them can all go play in traffic.

vaticanplum
01-24-2008, 02:47 PM
When somebody on an airplane wants to trade seats with you to sit by their wife/husband and you have an aisle seat and they have a middle seat between 2 NFL lineman and they make a big show of asking so if you say no, you look like a big schmuck.

On the flip side, I go a little bananas when people leave one seat here, one seat there all over a movie theater so crowded that it's clearly going to cause problems. Invariably all of the distraught couples end up filling up the aisles looking for pairs of seats, and invariably a movie theater employee has to come in and tell all of the people to scoot in like they're six years old and can't grasp the situation. If you are afraid of cooties, invest in a DVD player.

Chip R
01-24-2008, 02:49 PM
One thing that drives me crazy is people who refer to the NY Giants as the NY Football Giants. Chris Berman started that and now it seems others have picked this up and I'm going to have to keep hearing about it for another week or so. There hasn't been a NY Baseball Giants team in 50 years. I don't think people are going to get them confused.

Another thing that really bugs me are when football radio announcers say that one team is going right to left or vice versa. It's radio! Why in the world would that matter?

Highlifeman21
01-24-2008, 02:52 PM
One thing that drives me crazy is people who refer to the NY Giants as the NY Football Giants. Chris Berman started that and now it seems others have picked this up and I'm going to have to keep hearing about it for another week or so. There hasn't been a NY Baseball Giants team in 50 years. I don't think people are going to get them confused.

Another thing that really bugs me are when football radio announcers say that one team is going right to left or vice versa. It's radio! Why in the world would that matter?

From left to right across your radio dial.




As if radios still have dials.....

Yachtzee
01-24-2008, 03:20 PM
One thing that drives me crazy is people who refer to the NY Giants as the NY Football Giants. Chris Berman started that and now it seems others have picked this up and I'm going to have to keep hearing about it for another week or so. There hasn't been a NY Baseball Giants team in 50 years. I don't think people are going to get them confused.

Another thing that really bugs me are when football radio announcers say that one team is going right to left or vice versa. It's radio! Why in the world would that matter?

Actually, I believe the NY Giants refer to themselves as the New York Football Giants on their voice answering system, or so I've heard. It may well be the official name of the organization.

pedro
01-24-2008, 03:44 PM
I think they should call themselves "The New York "American" Football Giants of New Jersey"

Chip R
01-24-2008, 06:02 PM
Here's another football thing that bugs me. Advertisers aren't allowed to mention the words "Super Bowl" in their ads.

Ltlabner
01-24-2008, 06:04 PM
You go to a fast food joint. One person is at the register ordering. The next person in line stands 9 feet back from the person ordering. So when you walk up you have no idea if they are just thinking things over, are in line, are waiting for the food, or just testing the comfort of their shoes on a tile floor.

Of corse, the corallary to this, is when you are the one at the register ordering and the next person in line stands .076" behind you. I'm not going to order faster if you stand any closer mac. If a quick dirty look doesn't back them off, I've purposely backed straight-up after ordering and "bumped" into these wackos to get the point across that they are a little too close.

Then there's the person who orders their food, and then proceeds to reassemble their purse with the gigantic wallet, change purse and check-book that had to be extricated from said duffle bag...er...purse to pay for the meal. Sorry ladies, but it's usually your gender that pulls this trick. They don't scoot over to the left and let you walk up to order, they just stand their repacking their 4 suit travel-bag of a purse. I've stood right behind them and loudly ordered over-top of them since they are confused by the complexities of a fast-food ordering process.

So you get through the complex hell of ordering and walk to the soda station with all the napkins, katsup, salt, etc. There's typically some bozo standing in-front of the soda dispenser carefully examining the choices. Meanwhile they hog the entire machine so you can't get around them. This isn't the choice of a lifetime or "red pill or blue"...it's a fricking soda machine. I'll give you a hint. Its either Pepsi or Coke. A diet selection. 7up or Sprite. Possibly some root beer and maybe some orange drink/lemonade. Every single fast-food resturant has the same choices.....what's there to mull over?

Once they crack the code, and go for a Pepsi (gee..shocker) they spend another 2 minutes standing in front of the soda machine while they hunt down napkins, salt, katchup, fumble over the lid selection (another real toughie). All the while oblivious that there's 6 people waiting in line.

Dang.....I'm one grumpy turd in a fast-food resturant!

BRM
01-24-2008, 06:06 PM
Dang.....I'm one grumpy turd in a fast-food resturant!

:laugh:

No kidding, but that was one funny post.

Caveat Emperor
01-24-2008, 08:14 PM
I'll never move to a middle seat unless it's for a parent and child who have separate seats.

And I never feel bad about it.

On the flip side of that, I'd never ask to switch seats with someone on an airline. I've sat in middle seats before on flights (and I'm 6'10") because I didn't get to the gate in time to get a better seat assignment. If you want to sit by people or have a certain seat, make reservations early or get to the gate early enough to change.

I'm not going to ask someone to make accommodations for me when I screw up.

vaticanplum
01-24-2008, 08:16 PM
I'm not going to ask someone to make accommodations for me when I screw up.

You must not be American.

pedro
01-24-2008, 08:20 PM
On the flip side of that, I'd never ask to switch seats with someone on an airline. I've sat in middle seats before on flights (and I'm 6'10") because I didn't get to the gate in time to get a better seat assignment. If you want to sit by people or have a certain seat, make reservations early or get to the gate early enough to change.

I'm not going to ask someone to make accommodations for me when I screw up.

Man, if I was 6' 10" I'd be all over paying the extra $25 most airlines are charging now for bulk head rows. I'm 5' 10" and I'm almost tempted.

One thing I hate on planes is people who insist on reclining their seat all the way back so that it is 2 inches from my face. That's just rude.

TeamCasey
01-24-2008, 08:25 PM
You go to a fast food joint. One person is at the register ordering. The next person in line stands 9 feet back from the person ordering. So when you walk up you have no idea if they are just thinking things over, are in line, are waiting for the food, or just testing the comfort of their shoes on a tile floor.

Of corse, the corallary to this, is when you are the one at the register ordering and the next person in line stands .076" behind you. I'm not going to order faster if you stand any closer mac. If a quick dirty look doesn't back them off, I've purposely backed straight-up after ordering and "bumped" into these wackos to get the point across that they are a little too close.

Then there's the person who orders their food, and then proceeds to reassemble their purse with the gigantic wallet, change purse and check-book that had to be extricated from said duffle bag...er...purse to pay for the meal. Sorry ladies, but it's usually your gender that pulls this trick. They don't scoot over to the left and let you walk up to order, they just stand their repacking their 4 suit travel-bag of a purse. I've stood right behind them and loudly ordered over-top of them since they are confused by the complexities of a fast-food ordering process.

So you get through the complex hell of ordering and walk to the soda station with all the napkins, katsup, salt, etc. There's typically some bozo standing in-front of the soda dispenser carefully examining the choices. Meanwhile they hog the entire machine so you can't get around them. This isn't the choice of a lifetime or "red pill or blue"...it's a fricking soda machine. I'll give you a hint. Its either Pepsi or Coke. A diet selection. 7up or Sprite. Possibly some root beer and maybe some orange drink/lemonade. Every single fast-food resturant has the same choices.....what's there to mull over?

Once they crack the code, and go for a Pepsi (gee..shocker) they spend another 2 minutes standing in front of the soda machine while they hunt down napkins, salt, katchup, fumble over the lid selection (another real toughie). All the while oblivious that there's 6 people waiting in line.

Dang.....I'm one grumpy turd in a fast-food resturant!

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TeamCasey
01-24-2008, 08:28 PM
I hate when people give you the evil eye when you turn on the air above your seat.

I especially hate it when they reach up and turn it off.

I need my air when I fly.

I don't point it at them. They have there own little controls. Touch mine and lose your fingers.

TeamCasey
01-24-2008, 08:30 PM
I hate when you're on a return flight and your boarding pass doesn't have a seat number.

The check-in people insist you will have a seat. Just get an assignment at the gate.

The gate people don't rectify it until 10 minutes before boarding.

It gives me such anxiety. You know they overbooked the flight.

pedro
01-24-2008, 08:34 PM
I hate when people give you the evil eye when you turn on the air above your seat.

I especially hate it when they reach up and turn it off.

I need my air when I fly.

I don't point it at them. They have there own little controls. Touch mine and lose your fingers.

Someone has actually done that to you? Wow, that takes balls. Literally probably as this is the kind of thing I can only see a man doing to a woman. I've flown hundreds of times and this has never ever happened to me and I ALWAYS turn on the air.

One thing I do do that probably makes some people mad is I don't shut my window for the movie. I want to look out the damn window.

paintmered
01-24-2008, 08:46 PM
which begs the question, why do people drive SUVs or Trucks?

I got one because I drove 45 minutes on back roads in winter to work. Those kinds of roads don't get the royal treatment from the salt trucks that the highways do. There were a few days when I would not have gotten home if I didn't have my SUV. There simply aren't many cars that can plow through a foot of snow and ice. Also, I moved every three months so I was constantly hauling my crap from one location to another. Having room for cargo allowed me to do that without external assistance.

Now, I'm in a more permanent location and drive major roads to work. The SUV no longer fits my needs, and I likely will change vehicles sometime this year.

vaticanplum
01-24-2008, 09:04 PM
I was at a carrall in the library all afternoon, hard at work and on a very tight deadline, when an elderly gentleman answered his cell phone. I was a little surprised that he had forgotten to turn it off in the library. Imagine my surprise when he proceeded to carry on a full conversation about home repairs and other various topics at above-full volume for at least 15 minutes. I might have said something to him had I not been so dumbstruck. There was a library assistant right by us shelving books, but he did not say anything to the man either, probably because he was listening to an ipod.

The kicker? The man carried on this entire conversation, his voice carrying throughout the library, and the second he hung up he got up and left.

This is all in addition to all the kids running around shouting and roughousing. Now, I don't begrudge little kids shouting, but their parents should know better in the library. And this old man certainly should know better.

I'm not in the library for hours on end to check out books. I'm in the library because it's the only place I can get some peace and quiet with minimal distractions. I can't get this at work, obviously, nor at home or at a coffee shop or anywhere else. And I barely ever get it at the library anymore.

AFTER I LEFT, I called my friend the librarian and asked her what happened to the quiet rule in libraries. She told me it went the way of the card catalog.

SunDeck
01-24-2008, 10:36 PM
AFTER I LEFT, I called my friend the librarian and asked her what happened to the quiet rule in libraries. She told me it went the way of the card catalog.
Not everywhere. We have a reading room that is for silent reading and studying. And we enforce it.


What drives me bonkers is when a person answers their cell phone while you are talking to them. Honestly, I have people approach me for help at work, but then their phone rings and they take the call.

MWM
01-24-2008, 11:22 PM
I was at a carrall in the library all afternoon, hard at work and on a very tight deadline, when an elderly gentleman answered his cell phone. I was a little surprised that he had forgotten to turn it off in the library. Imagine my surprise when he proceeded to carry on a full conversation about home repairs and other various topics at above-full volume for at least 15 minutes. I might have said something to him had I not been so dumbstruck. There was a library assistant right by us shelving books, but he did not say anything to the man either, probably because he was listening to an ipod.

The kicker? The man carried on this entire conversation, his voice carrying throughout the library, and the second he hung up he got up and left.

This is all in addition to all the kids running around shouting and roughousing. Now, I don't begrudge little kids shouting, but their parents should know better in the library. And this old man certainly should know better.

I'm not in the library for hours on end to check out books. I'm in the library because it's the only place I can get some peace and quiet with minimal distractions. I can't get this at work, obviously, nor at home or at a coffee shop or anywhere else. And I barely ever get it at the library anymore.

AFTER I LEFT, I called my friend the librarian and asked her what happened to the quiet rule in libraries. She told me it went the way of the card catalog.

Along those same lines, my wife and I go to the bookstore regularly and go through the same thing. I also hate it when it happens in coffee shops when most people are there reading.

I don't think that most people are this way, but in general, anyone who consistently acts like no one else in the world matters bothers me.

Yachtzee
01-24-2008, 11:31 PM
I hate when people give you the evil eye when you turn on the air above your seat.

I especially hate it when they reach up and turn it off.

I need my air when I fly.

I don't point it at them. They have there own little controls. Touch mine and lose your fingers.

I would probably slap someone's hand if they did that to me. I have to have the air on when we're on the ground because sometimes I start to feel ill if the exhaust fumes from the engines get to be too much (usually on American flights when you're stuck in the back on one of their MD-80s).

My pet peeve on planes - people who are able to stay within their personal space and refuse to. I can understand that heavy people have problems because the airlines make the seats too small so that they can jam more seats in there. Where I have an issue is when you get someone who can easily fit within their allotted space, but feels the need to extend themselves into your seat because they need elbow room. They have plenty of room in their own seat if they keep their elbows at their sides, but they feel the need to extend their elbows out over the arm rests and into your seat. One of my worst flights involved sitting in the middle seat where I had young business man on one side and this woman with a heavily starched African-style dress with poofy sleeves on my other side. Business man had his elbow in my ribs on one side and the starchy dress lady had her starchy-poofy-dress arm poking me in my arm. I was wearing short sleeves, so her dress was scratching up my arm the whole flight. I got so frustrated I actually wedged by elbows between myself and their arms, said "excuse me," and moved my arms outward to nudge them back into their seats. They each gave me a look and five minutes later they were at it again.

The most annoying flight I was on, from an annoying person standpoint, involved this jerkstore of a male flight attendant who was hitting on two obnoxiously giggly, loud talking college girls. Every 10 minutes he was over there with a drink or snacks or making idle chit chat. Finally he offered them the use of his Game Boy, which they proceeded to play, volume turned up full blast. So I had to deal with bleep-bleep-bloop-bleep-giggle-giggle for the last two hours of the flight.

WMR
01-24-2008, 11:34 PM
LMAO not to laugh at your misfortune, yach, but that sounds like an awesome premise for a Seinfeld episode involving Costanza.

pedro
01-24-2008, 11:38 PM
AFTER I LEFT, I called my friend the librarian ....


That just has such a ring to it.

Caveat Emperor
01-24-2008, 11:46 PM
You must not be American.

Can you tell the IRS that? April is coming up soon. ;)

Rojo
01-25-2008, 06:12 PM
I'm not in the library for hours on end to check out books. I'm in the library because it's the only place I can get some peace and quiet with minimal distractions. I can't get this at work, obviously, nor at home or at a coffee shop or anywhere else. And I barely ever get it at the library anymore.


Quiet is becoming a rare commodity. I hate diners with TV's blasting. Or coffee shops were idiots blather on about whatever interests idiots. Or oversharing commuters. Or airline passengers who want to make small talk.

Dom Heffner
01-25-2008, 07:26 PM
Blake Lewis. They should put a picture of his next to the word "tool" in the dictionary.

Also hate any music artist who substitutes "B" for "Be," "4" for "for," or "U" for "You" in a song title.

"I B Crazy 4 U."

We get it. You worship Prince. You want us to know that your song is "funky." Just spell out the word, dude. The shortage in patience over this kind of crap is much worse than that of ink in this country.

Dom Heffner
01-25-2008, 07:36 PM
Quiet is becoming a rare commodity.

The number one reason I rarely go to the theater to see movies. People need to stop rustling the popcorn bag as if one kernel is better than another. Stop bringing along a friend to translate the entire movie to you. Stop whispering as if I can't hear every single "s" sound you come across. Stop rattling your bag of Sour Patch kids like there's a prize at the bottom. Stop kicking the back of my chair, and tell your kid to do the same. Stop explaining the plot to your slow friend- not sure if you knew this or not, but there's going to be more time given to you after the movie to talk about it, so no need to act like these are the last precious seconds on earth to discuss your thoughts on what we all paid to watch in peace and quiet.

Speaking of kicking chairs: Can't stand the ushers who are more concerned with my feet being on the back of the empty chair in front of me than with the talkers who think they are whispering.

I'll bring my feet down when you make it quiet, usher man.

P.S. Get off my lawn!!! :)

BUTLER REDSFAN
01-25-2008, 09:00 PM
Being at a stop light--wanting to hang a right on red--but the car in front of you is always going straight and you cant get around him.

Rojo
01-25-2008, 09:26 PM
P.S. Get off my lawn!!! :)

That B hilarious.

GAC
01-26-2008, 09:13 AM
When someone uses the greeting "Have a good one". A good one what?

People who buy scratch off lottery tickets and feel they have to stand at the counter and see if they won. Then if they did, they want to redeem them right then and there..... to buy more tickets.

I seem to have the dumb luck of consistently getting behind people buying lottery tickets. Especially those who aren't sure what tickets to buy and feel they have to ask questions like "which one is the most popular, or has the best chances of winning?"

Like that minimum wage Starvin' Marvin clerk is gonna know that?

Dom Heffner
01-26-2008, 10:37 AM
I also can't stand those Burger King commercials where they pretend they stopped selling the Whopper for a day.

Not sure if those folks are real or not, but let's say they are. How happy are they going to be to know that a) Burger King isn't really stopping the sales of the whopper and b) they just wanted to film people's reaction to their little inside joke.

Dom Heffner
01-26-2008, 10:54 AM
Geesh, I'm on a roll this morning.

Another thing. Men's Health Magazine.

Anyone else ever notice all the lame suggestions they give?

Something like, you should eat 2 teaspoons of honey each morning because two Swedish researchers showed people who did this lived 5 extra years than the average person. They fill their magazine up with these little stupid suggestions that, if you followed all of them, you'd use up the extra time on earth you were supposed to have gained. My question is, if eating honey adds two years and drinking fish oil adds two years, do I add four years or two if I do both?

Or, a subsequent issue will have advice directly contradicting the previous advice. It's maddening.

They also give advice on exercises that most people could never do and they make it sound so simple:

"Hanging upside down, raise your upper torso until your hands touch your feet while ingesting that honey we told you about. Oh yeah, and two University of Michigan professors have said that humming the Star Spangled Banner while doing this exercise will burn three extra calories, which should add 5 years on to your life."

And every issue has the same two headlines: Better abs, better sex.

I think they only publish that thing every other month so it gives you more time to forget about the previous lame issue.

Dom Heffner
01-26-2008, 11:08 AM
When someone uses the greeting "Have a good one".

I don't like the response, "That's too funny."

There's a local chain I go to, and the guy behind the counter and I always talk a bit when I'm there. It doesn't matter what I say, his response is, "That's too funny." I could tell him my dog died, I think, and he'd say that.

I am now banned from this thread for 12 hours.

macro
01-26-2008, 11:57 AM
Geesh, I'm on a roll this morning.

Another thing. Men's Health Magazine.

Anyone else ever notice all the lame suggestions they give?

Something like, you should eat 2 teaspoons of honey each morning because two Swedish researchers showed people who did this lived 5 extra years than the average person. They fill their magazine up with these little stupid suggestions that, if you followed all of them, you'd use up the extra time on earth you were supposed to have gained. My question is, if eating honey adds two years and drinking fish oil adds two years, do I add four years or two if I do both?

Or, a subsequent issue will have advice directly contradicting the previous advice. It's maddening.

They also give advice on exercises that most people could never do and they make it sound so simple:

"Hanging upside down, raise your upper torso until your hands touch your feet while ingesting that honey we told you about. Oh yeah, and two University of Michigan professors have said that humming the Star Spangled Banner while doing this exercise will burn three extra calories, which should add 5 years on to your life."

And every issue has the same two headlines: Better abs, better sex.

I think they only publish that thing every other month so it gives you more time to forget about the previous lame issue.

I had two one-year subs to Men's Health and was annoyed at how they recycled the same topics over and over. And you're right, you can count on something about abs and sex on every cover. My two subs were a few years apart, and the articles didn't change much in all that time.

Now I'm experiencing the same thing with Parents magazine. My wife took it after our first child, and every cover includes something about discipline. Needless to say, the articles are pretty-much worthless, and they repeat the same themes over and over. She took it again after our second child, and nothing has changed. Same ol' fluff.

I know every magazine survives off ads, but I think magazines like these are primarily just a vehicle for delivering ads. The articles are an afterthought or a tease just to get the ads into your hands.

BoydsOfSummer
01-26-2008, 05:00 PM
People who buy scratch off lottery tickets and feel they have to stand at the counter and see if they won. Then if they did, they want to redeem them right then and there..... to buy more tickets.

That just totally pisses me off. What if I bought a bottle of apple juice, then stood there drinking it so I could tell if I'm thirsty enough to buy another one? I've told people to get moving more than once in that situation. Impatience is a character flaw of mine.

Reds Freak
01-26-2008, 05:17 PM
Another thing. Men's Health Magazine.

Anyone else ever notice all the lame suggestions they give?



I'm a subscriber to Men's Journal, similar to Men's Health but more on the travel and adventure side. I generally enjoy reading the magazine but I wish they had more realistic and practical suggestions too.

For example, there will be a headline: "10 of the Best Adventure Weekend Getaways to Beat the Winter Blues". I think, cool, I like adventure type vacations, maybe I'll find one I like and try it out. But when you get to the article you see things like "Kayak the wild rivers in the remote jungles of Africa and for only $8,235 a night, stay in the luxurious Riverside Resort." Each issue gets more and more outrageous than the next. Why can't they promote reasonable trips? Maybe I'm subscribed to the wrong magazine, but I doubt too many readers can afford thousands of dollar weekend getaways or have the ability to climb Mt. Everest naked...

KronoRed
01-26-2008, 05:28 PM
I also can't stand those Burger King commercials where they pretend they stopped selling the Whopper for a day.

Not sure if those folks are real or not, but let's say they are. How happy are they going to be to know that a) Burger King isn't really stopping the sales of the whopper and b) they just wanted to film people's reaction to their little inside joke.

Those people aren't real, for one..nobody who is sane cares what type of fast good they are getting, it all tastes the same anyway, and two..a lot of those "real" people show up in other commercials, imagine that? ;)

Dom Heffner
01-26-2008, 06:13 PM
Those people aren't real, for one..nobody who is sane cares what type of fast good they are getting, it all tastes the same anyway, and two..a lot of those "real" people show up in other commercials, imagine that?

Most of those reactions seemed pretty real to me. It's hard to fake something like that, even with actors. You can tell a fake Candid Camera gag from a real one as well as a fake American Idol audition a lot of the time.

Assuming you are right, though, it's still moronic. It's like they expect people to think, oh wow, did you see what Burger King did? They went and got rid of the Whopper! The horror!!!! :)

SunDeck
01-26-2008, 09:08 PM
NFL players who make unspectacular tackles (or even spectacular ones) and then dance, or otherwise act out to draw attention to themselves. I suppose the tackle wasn't enough.

Even more annoying to me are basketball players who act as though they have just achieved some warrior feat after a dunk. First of all, for most college basketball players the dunking a basketball is no more difficult than putting one foot in front of a another. Second of all, scoring a basket is not an act of violence, so what is the guy trying to prove. Intimidation, I suppose, but that's what talent is supposed to do.
If you want to be a tough guy, join the Marines.

RFS62
01-27-2008, 12:24 AM
NFL players who make unspectacular tackles (or even spectacular ones) and then dance, or otherwise act out to draw attention to themselves. I suppose the tackle wasn't enough.

Even more annoying to me are basketball players who act as though they have just achieved some warrior feat after a dunk. First of all, for most college basketball players the dunking a basketball is no more difficult than putting one foot in front of a another. Second of all, scoring a basket is not an act of violence, so what is the guy trying to prove. Intimidation, I suppose, but that's what talent is supposed to do.
If you want to be a tough guy, join the Marines.



Couldn't agree more.


:beerme::clap::clap::clap::beerme:

Roy Tucker
01-27-2008, 01:25 AM
I hate when you've been standing in line for 5-10 minutes at a fast food restaurant. The menu is above the counters and plainly obvious (at least to anyone who can read). Besides talk on you cell, their isn't much else to do besides read the menu.

And then the person in front of you gets to the counter, the cashier asks them what they want, and *then* they squint at the menu and say "hmmmm, let me see", study the menu like it just magically appeared in the last 5 seconds, and take their sweet old time about ordering. And then keep adding on to the order after the cashier says "will that be all?".

GAC
01-27-2008, 05:53 AM
JT Wentworth..... "It's your money! Get it when you need it!"

Viagra and Cialis commercials - "If you have an ******* that lasts more then 4 hrs, contact your physician immediately"

I dn't know abut the rest of you men, but wouldn't you find it kinda hard, and somewhat embarrassing, walking into your Drs office in that "condition" and the female receptionist asks you why you're here.

What do you do? What do you say? :lol:



Hollywood sequels. STOP IT ALREADY!!

Chip R
01-27-2008, 12:30 PM
Most of those reactions seemed pretty real to me. It's hard to fake something like that, even with actors. You can tell a fake Candid Camera gag from a real one as well as a fake American Idol audition a lot of the time.

Assuming you are right, though, it's still moronic. It's like they expect people to think, oh wow, did you see what Burger King did? They went and got rid of the Whopper! The horror!!!! :)


I think the people are real but their reactions are fake. I think they seem a little over the top becuse they didn't get a Whopper.

I think it's a bad ad too because it is purportedly playing a joke on their customers and showing their purported angry reactions. Does this make people want to go to BK or not go to BK? If I'm thinking about going someplace where they might play a joke on me, I'm gonna think twice.

RFS62
01-27-2008, 12:36 PM
I think the people are real but their reactions are fake. I think they seem a little over the top becuse they didn't get a Whopper.

I think it's a bad ad too because it is purportedly playing a joke on their customers and showing their purported angry reactions. Does this make people want to go to BK or not go to BK? If I'm thinking about going someplace where they might play a joke on me, I'm gonna think twice.



What we don't know about those commercials is how many reactions they went through to get the ones you see. Maybe those aired were one in a hundred, and what the director was looking for.

Looked like natural reactions to me. What we probably didn't see were the many reactions that didn't fit the profile.

MWM
01-27-2008, 12:40 PM
They actually did take the Whopper off the menu in a couple of stores in Las Vegas and these are real reactions. The store employees I believe are actors.

SandyD
01-27-2008, 01:53 PM
Not everywhere. We have a reading room that is for silent reading and studying. And we enforce it.


What drives me bonkers is when a person answers their cell phone while you are talking to them. Honestly, I have people approach me for help at work, but then their phone rings and they take the call.

I've forgotten to turn my cell ph off in the library. But I'm usually the only person in the microfilm reading room ... so I might answer it if it rings. I usually also just say ... hold on ... I'm in the library ... let me get to the lobby. Just in case someone snuck in that I didn't see.

I can't read in the quiet reading room. Oddly enough, I find it too distracting. (my mind wanders: what is that person over there reading/studying? what books are on the shelves around here that I might be interested in?) Now, if I'm just browsing, or taking notes/working problems/writing, I can get lost for hours.

At Univ of Ariz one time, I got lost in what I was doing ... and my heart skipped a beat when the lights went out. They came right back on a few seconds later, and I realized it was their signal that the library was closing. It was 2:45 am.

SandyD
01-27-2008, 02:06 PM
Quiet is becoming a rare commodity. I hate diners with TV's blasting. Or coffee shops were idiots blather on about whatever interests idiots. Or oversharing commuters. Or airline passengers who want to make small talk.

I'm guilty of making small talk on an airplane ... but I don't press. It's more a matter of being friendly than anything.

Diners are noisy places with/without TVs or Jukeboxes. Clanging silver, plates, sometimes waiters/waitresses calling out orders. The cook shouting "order up". I don't expect quiet there. But most diners and such have the sound down on their TVs and closed captioning on.

Falls City Beer
01-27-2008, 02:47 PM
People who use decorative medians for their dogpark. At the very least pick up the crap.

pedro
01-27-2008, 02:50 PM
At Univ of Ariz one time, I got lost in what I was doing ... and my heart skipped a beat when the lights went out. They came right back on a few seconds later, and I realized it was their signal that the library was closing. It was 2:45 am.

I got locked in the library once at Ohio University after failing to heed the signal that the library was closing. What can I say? I'd never been in the library at closing time before. I had to call campus security to get me out. They thought it was hysterical.

SandyD
01-27-2008, 03:19 PM
I think that's why they turned out the lights. That's a hard signal to miss. And they did it a couple of times more before I got out of the building. I didn't realize it was the closing signal, and it was so dark I was afraid to move at first.

Bikes on the road scare me, but they have a right to be there. At least here, we don't have enough bike paths. I'm bothered tho when they don't follow the rules of the road. re: stop signs, traffic lights, signalling turns, etc, and ESPECIALLY the direcition of travel.

Bicycle pants have padding, so if you're riding for long periods of time, there is a comfort factor.

Caveat Emperor
01-27-2008, 04:33 PM
Hollywood sequels. STOP IT ALREADY!!

If I had more free time, I'd start picking movies from the mid-80's and just penning sequel scripts to them. The key is to pick a movie that a lot of people remember fondly, but aren't huge hits with -- like NBC is doing with the new "Knight Rider."

It's basically a license to steal money. Hollywood knows America doesn't want new and original, they want "The Final Countdown 2." ;)

TeamCasey
01-27-2008, 07:54 PM
I don't like the response, "That's too funny."

There's a local chain I go to, and the guy behind the counter and I always talk a bit when I'm there. It doesn't matter what I say, his response is, "That's too funny." I could tell him my dog died, I think, and he'd say that.

I am now banned from this thread for 12 hours.

I hate TMI or "Too much information". It's SO rude.

GAC
01-27-2008, 09:38 PM
I'm guilty of making small talk


I've met you. There is no such thing as small talk with you! :D

GAC
01-27-2008, 09:41 PM
If I had more free time, I'd start picking movies from the mid-80's and just penning sequel scripts to them. The key is to pick a movie that a lot of people remember fondly, but aren't huge hits with -- like NBC is doing with the new "Knight Rider."

It's basically a license to steal money. Hollywood knows America doesn't want new and original, they want "The Final Countdown 2." ;)

I'm mainly referring to taking a movie, that was a success, and bleeding it dry with umpteenth sequels. Not really taking an older movie and doing a re-make though.

Is there anything that can kill Freddy and Jason? ;)

919191
01-28-2008, 09:49 AM
Is there anything that can kill Freddy and Jason? ;)


I bet Jigsaw could get one of them to eliminate either himself or the other.

Ltlabner
01-30-2008, 06:21 PM
Ok...transfered all of my money out of a money market fund to place it on depsit at another bank with MUCH higher interest rates. The name of the bank where I yanked my funds rhymes with US Bank.

So I look all over the website but there is no logical place by which I can close the account. They already hit me with a $15.00 maintenance fee (since the account had $0 in it, it took the ballence to -$15) to maintan the empty account. So I send an email to the "customer service via email" link stating I'd like to close that account.

Today (within the stated 24 hours) I get a responce via email that unfortunatley they can't close accounts via email or website. They give me a number to call, credit my account for the $15 and wish me good luck. So far, handled very well and I'm fealing good about life.

So I call the number. I navigate to the "help for savings accounts" menu choice but to no ones suprise, "they are experiencing unusually heavy call volume". :rolleyes: So I wait a bit for a customer service person. He comes on the line, gets the account number and I inform him I'd like to close the account. "Oh, sorry, I can't help you with that. I'll transfer you to the correct person". :angry: Suddenly there is another automated message saying they are experincing "unusually heavy call volume" [yea, I got that the first time. I know that 5:05 EST is a HUGE time for heavy call volume].

Instead of saying I can wait and the wait will be XYZ long, THE DAMN THING JUST HANGS UP ON ME!!!!!!!! :eek: Too bad...so sad.

So now I have to either call back tomorow, go through the CSR dance again, or go out of my way to go by a branch and attempt to shut down the account. :rant2: :explode:

Generally US Bank has taken good care of us, but this went from a good situation to a totally frustrating one in the course of one phone call.

One of these days I'd like to call the CSR number at 3:00am and see if I get the "we are experiencing unusually heavy call volume" message. :help:

nate
01-31-2008, 07:24 PM
A development to my sad story (http://www.redszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1534951&postcount=82) detailed earlier in the thread.

After pounding sand with Land Rover "Customer Service" and their "goodwill" program, I decided to get the problem that was keeping the beast off the road fixed. That is, it overheats and needed (according to Land Rover) a new water pump. For this, they wanted $650. I called another mechanic recommended by my neighbor and he said he could do it for $550 so I had it towed over there yesterday. He calls me back today and he'll have it ready this afternoon and, by the way, that battery looks pretty bad, do you want a new one? I say, sure but what am I gonna be into this for?

Remember, the original cost of getting this 3 ton piece of....vehicle back on the road was $4500.

He says, "well, with the battery, $350."

So instead of ripping apart my engine and replacing all the gaskets, replacing the water pump and otherwise fleecing me, the problem came down to a bad "Throttle Body Gasket." Picked it up, drove home and the temperature gauge stayed normal the entire time. No "Old Faithful" after I parked it or anything. It seems to be fixed.

And what have we learned about Land Rover?

1. They have very poor diagnostic skills
2. They are feckless charlatans, rivaling only politicians in their dishonesty and willingness to fleece you
3. Both

TeamCasey
01-31-2008, 07:33 PM
Selt belts that don't retract when they're unhooked.

Dom Heffner
02-01-2008, 04:09 PM
The coronation of Tom Brady as best QB ever. Drives me nuts. Best of his era? Sure. Best season ever? Okay.

But best ever is tough to gauge between eras, and Brady is playing in a spread offense at a time where receivers can't be touched and there are stricter rules in place for protecting the quarterback.

Caveat Emperor
02-01-2008, 04:48 PM
The stretch of highway on I-275 and I-471 between 5-Mile Rd. and downtown Cincinnati.

There is no convenient place to hop off and get gas if you're running low. You'd think SOMEONE would build a BP or a Speedway right off the interstate.