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dougdirt
01-15-2008, 01:54 PM
Vote for the player who you think is the Reds #28 prospect (the best prospect who is not yet on the list). We will go with this as far as you guys want to take it.

I will post a new list every 2 days with 10-15 options to vote on.

If you feel like making an argument on why a guy should be voted here, feel free to vote and state why you voted for that player.

If there is someone that is not currently listed as an option to vote on, vote for 'other' then just state who you want to vote for in the thread.

If there is anyone you would like to see as an option on the next poll, just say so and if they garner enough support, they will be placed on the next poll. Guys with the lowest amount of votes will usually be removed for the next few guys who were talked about in the previous thread.


Prospect 1 - Jay Bruce
Prospect 2 - Homer Bailey
Prospect 3 - Johnny Cueto
Prospect 4 - Joey Votto
Prospect 5 - Todd Frazier
Prospect 6 - Drew Stubbs
Prospect 7 - Matt Maloney
Prospect 8 - Josh Roenicke
Prospect 9 - Travis Wood
Prospect 10 - Devin Mesoraco
Prospect 11 - Kyle Lotzkar
Prospect 12 - Danny Dorn
Prospect 13 - Sean Watson
Prospect 14 - Carlos Fisher
Prospect 15 - Juan Francisco
Prospect 16 - Neftali Soto
Prospect 17 - Brandon Waring
Prospect 18 - Adam Rosales
Prospect 19 - Tyler Pelland
Prospect 20 - Daryl Thompson
Prospect 21 - Pedro Viola
Prospect 22 - Chris Valaika
Prospect 23 - Sam Lecure
Prospect 24 - Marcus McBeth
Prospect 25 - Justin Turner
Prospect 26 - Chris Dickerson
Prospect 27 - Scott Carroll

AmarilloRed
01-15-2008, 02:17 PM
I will put a vote in for Other and vote for Logan Parker. I expect good things from him in the future. Please put Parker in the next poll.

Blue
01-15-2008, 02:43 PM
Richie Gardner should go here. He was doing well last season on the comeback trail until he hit a snag and stopped pitching well. If it was a nagging injury and not something serious, he could be a real surprise this season.

*BaseClogger*
01-15-2008, 02:46 PM
never mind

camisadelgolf
01-15-2008, 02:47 PM
I'm going with Alex Smit. Some people considered him to be one of the best prospects in baseball until he struggled for the first half of 2007. Some people said he was rattled, and some people say it was merely injuries that were holding him back, but regardless, he came to the Reds and really started to turn things around. 11K/9IP is impressive, and I think his clean slate with the Reds will take him a long way.

dougdirt
01-15-2008, 03:16 PM
I'm going with Alex Smit. Some people considered him to be one of the best prospects in baseball until he struggled for the first half of 2007. Some people said he was rattled, and some people say it was merely injuries that were holding him back, but regardless, he came to the Reds and really started to turn things around. 11K/9IP is impressive, and I think his clean slate with the Reds will take him a long way.

Who are these people? I have never seen Smit as being anywhere near 'one of the best prospects in baseball'. He has never been a BA top 100 prospect, so I am not sure where you heard he was one of the best prospects in baseball, but I think you were misinformed.

RedlegJake
01-15-2008, 03:43 PM
Who are these people? Pretty d--- snippy aren't we?

Sorry to tell you Doug but Smit was one of Baseball America's 20 best prospects in 2003, he was highly regarded in Minny until he had ankle problems. His fastball sits at 93, he has a sharp slider, a good changeup and a decent curve to go with his FB. He never would have been available but he turned his ankle, pitched differently and developed soreness in his arm -but nothing torn. Yes -Smit was considered one of baseball's brightest prospects at one time. He threw 7 innings of no hit ball in Sarasota and most importantly looked fully recovered healthwise. He's won't be 23 until October and I think it likely he'll end up being a steal for the Reds.

dougdirt
01-15-2008, 03:48 PM
Who are these people? Pretty d--- snippy aren't we?

Sorry to tell you Doug but Smit was one of Baseball America's 20 best prospects in 2003, he was highly regarded in Minny until he had ankle problems. His fastball sits at 93, he has a sharp slider, a good changeup and a decent curve to go with his FB. He never would have been available but he turned his ankle, pitched differently and developed soreness in his arm -but nothing torn. Yes -Smit was considered one of baseball's brightest prospects
at one time. He threw 7 innings of no hit ball in Sarasota and most importantly looked fully recovered healthwise. He's won't be 23 until October and I think it likely he'll end up being a steal for the Reds.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/features/26983.html

The history of baseball America's top 100 list. Smit is nowhere to be found on the list. He may have been a Minnesota Top 20 prospect, but thats about it. Don't get me wrong, he was a solid prospect around the time you are referring to, but he wasn't a top 100 in baseball guy, much less a top 20 guy.

RedlegJake
01-15-2008, 03:57 PM
Top 20 in GCL actually, also on list as honorable mention as one of top 15 LH pitching prospects in minor league baseball. All baseball. Also more info on Smit -if he put up the stats he did in Miny after signing with the Reds you'd be screaming his name as the next coming...think I'm kidding? Look at his numbers overall. Outside of Bailey and Cueto, no one in the Reds system has come close to his numbers.

Smit walks a few more than you’d like, but the 6’4” 210 pound lefty sure knows how to strike guys out. After early-season tough luck at Beloit last year, the Twins demoted Smit to E-Town, where he proceeded to strike out 86 batters in 45 2/3 innings working only out of the bullpen. Smit pitched as a reliever to start the 2006 season but has still gotten eleven starts. He saved his best stuff for starting, going 5-0 with a 2.28 ERA with 88 strikeouts and 30 walks in 67 innings pitched. His walk rate dramatically improved as a starter, a sign that he may be breaking out in a big way. Smit has certainly always had the talent to dominate. But this year, he has taken a big step forward with his velocity, sitting 92 and hitting 95 – really exciting numbers for a known as extremely projectable to be throwing at this young an age because it means he could gain even more velocity as he continues to develop. Scouts rave about his ability to hide the ball from hitters. This works well with Smit’s above-average slider and amazing curveball – a 12-6 hammer with very tight rotation that comes in 17-20 MPH slower than his fastball. Smit also occasionally throws a sinking changeup, but it’s an inconsistent pitch at best. Smit recently garnered an honorable mention on Kevin Goldstein’s list of the top 15 lefthanded prospects in the majors. He’s got great stuff, a projectable build, no injury history, and great numbers. And he’s improving his control. If he continues to break out, especially in the control department, expect Alexander Smit’s name to move up the list of top lefty prospects in the game. (from 2006)

dougdirt
01-15-2008, 04:13 PM
Top 20 in the GCL means pretty much nothing. That means he was one of the 20 best prospects in the lowest level of the minor leagues. Jay Bruce was the #2 prospect in the GCL and the #1 prospect in the Pioneer League in 2005, and was the #76 prospect in baseball the same season.... and that was coming out of one of the strongest draft classes in a long time.

Being a fan of the Twins, I have known about Smit for years. He was a very good prospect at one time, but his stock has taken a tumble from roughly being in the 150 (early in his career) range to well below that right now. He isn't throwing as hard as he was when that report came out. His offspeed stuff might be similar, but he isn't throwing 92-95 now unless something changed from when he was in Dayton. Lets also realize that you are quoting stuff from 2006 as if it still applies today. It doesn't. If he were still a top 15 LHP prospect in baseball, the Twins wouldn't have let him go for free.

Don't take it as I don't like him, or that he has no hope.... its far from that. But he certainly isn't the guy you are trying to make him out to be.

camisadelgolf
01-15-2008, 04:15 PM
To be honest, I'm short on time and too lazy to dig up exact quotes right now. That's also not to mention that RedlegJake pulled out a couple good things. I will say, however, that Alex Smit was onced ranked by some at Baseball America as a better prospect than Glen Perkins, who was the Twins' first-round draft pick a few years ago--and this was coming from a group that is always heavily-criticized for ranking recently-drafted prospects too highly. Too-many-to-count people over the years have said that Smit has "ace" stuff. Sure, you could probably say that about at least 30 prospects in baseball at any time, but how many of them put up numbers anywhere near what Smit did as a teenager?

camisadelgolf
01-15-2008, 04:17 PM
I also want to iterate that we're talking about the #28 prospect in the Reds organization. To put it into perspective, I believe RedsZone picked Josh Hamilton as the #15 prospect in the organization last year.

RedsManRick
01-15-2008, 04:23 PM
Who are these people? Pretty d--- snippy aren't we?

Sorry to tell you Doug but Smit was one of Baseball America's 20 best prospects in 2003, he was highly regarded in Minny until he had ankle problems. His fastball sits at 93, he has a sharp slider, a good changeup and a decent curve to go with his FB. He never would have been available but he turned his ankle, pitched differently and developed soreness in his arm -but nothing torn. Yes -Smit was considered one of baseball's brightest prospects at one time. He threw 7 innings of no hit ball in Sarasota and most importantly looked fully recovered healthwise. He's won't be 23 until October and I think it likely he'll end up being a steal for the Reds.

He' still relatively young, but 2008 will be his 6th professional season. By my understanding, he'll be a free agent after next year. That 2006 year is certainly enticing, but he was nowhere close to that last year and has a long way to go.

camisadelgolf
01-15-2008, 04:26 PM
That 2006 year is certainly enticing, but he was nowhere close to that last year while with the Twins organization and has a long way to go.

RedsManRick
01-15-2008, 04:27 PM
I'm going with Herrera... size, reliever, and trick pitch be damned.

22 in AA
7.39 H/9
0.52 HR/9
3.44 BB/9
11.01 K/9

At this point in the list, nobody projects to be an impact player. But here's a guy who's done it at AA at a good age. Until he proves otherwise, I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt.

RedsManRick
01-15-2008, 04:29 PM
Camisadelgolf, did being traded to the Reds magically transform him back in to being the pitcher he was in 2006 -- with the twins. Yes, I'm aware he put up good numbers with the Reds, but I'd like a little more understanding on why he was so horrible for the Twins in 2007.

Kc61
01-15-2008, 04:48 PM
It appears Justin Reed was left off the voting list.

dougdirt
01-15-2008, 04:49 PM
It appears Justin Reed was left off the voting list.

Doh!

There is an 'other' option for when I make goofs like that one though, so hopefully everyone notes it.

Kc61
01-15-2008, 04:55 PM
Vote "other" for Justin Reed.

camisadelgolf
01-15-2008, 05:03 PM
Camisadelgolf, did being traded to the Reds magically transform him back in to being the pitcher he was in 2006 -- with the twins.

In a word, yes. Clearly, it was magic that caused a transformation. What a lot of people don't know is that after the Reds acquired Smit through waivers, they traded Ryan Freel's Farney for Alex Smit's lucky leprechaun named 'Piggelmee'. For those who don't believe me, just take a look at Ryan Freel's stats after the waiver claim.

Also, if you're wondering, Farney became property of the Reds after an arrangement that was made during Freel's contract extension (hence Freel being over-paid). Anyway, Alex Smit's magic, clog-wearing, cheese-making, windmill-powered leprechaun, Piggelmee, proceeded to grant all of Alex Smit's wishes so long as Smit asked humbly.

However, what Smit is now realizing is that every time a wish is granted by Piggelmee, the water around a dike/levee near his home becomes blacker. If Smit keeps asking for wishes, he will soon find himself back in a Cologne pot.

But seriously, apparently Smit has always battled inconsistency with his velocity. Here is a quote from http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=5414:


Also getting some late-season attention in the Midwest League is Twins lefthander Alexander Smit, who may be in his fourth pro season at only in Low A, but is still just 20 years old and has blossomed in a late-season move to the rotation, going 4-0 with a 2.52 ERA in nine starts while allowing just 30 hits in 50 innings and striking out 66. "He's completely changed my mind about him," said an American League scout, who saw Smit last year as well, when he had a 5.84 ERA. "Last year he was like 83-85 mph and now he's suddenly 89-92 and pitching very well." While Smit fired seven one-hit innings last night with 11 strikeouts, the scout still thinks he'll need to make some adjustments as he moves up. "He really pitches off that fastball and has plenty of deception, but as he advances, he's going to have to tighten up his secondary stuff."

I could be wrong, but I thought I heard that he was throwing better soon after he got to Cincinnati, too. Maybe it was a health issue, maybe it was something mechanical, maybe he hated his teammates, or maybe he was just getting lazy and the Reds gave him a wake-up call. I have no idea. Whatever it was, you can't deny that there was a big improvement when he came to the Reds, though.

NC Reds
01-15-2008, 07:19 PM
Ric Smits was a heck of a good player for the Pacers. Oh wait...nevermind.

I voted for Janish again. He plays MLB-caliber defense now and he did hit the ball well in 2006. I was disappointed with his bat in 2007, but I think repeating AAA will make him better. He could easily replace Castro now (yes, that is a low quality threshold).

Mario-Rijo
01-15-2008, 09:03 PM
I'm going with Herrera... size, reliever, and trick pitch be damned.

22 in AA
7.39 H/9
0.52 HR/9
3.44 BB/9
11.01 K/9

At this point in the list, nobody projects to be an impact player. But here's a guy who's done it at AA at a good age. Until he proves otherwise, I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt.

I am going to respectfully disagree with you on that as I do think Smit can be an impact player. Whether he will or won't isn't that big a deal at this point in the list as you pointed out by picking Herrera. Smit has the tools to be an impact arm and can still make the bigs easy before he turns 26.

All that said he will be my next pick as I think Gardener being as close as he is and could still be a solid addition has a tad more value right now.

M2
01-15-2008, 09:43 PM
Where's Justin Reed?

He finished 3rd among the remaining players on the #27 list and he's got ceiling to burn compared to guys like Gardner and Janish. Janish pretty much has IF utility glove ceiling. Yuck.

Anyway, Reed's got my vote. He's the only guy left who made a BA top 20 after the 2007 season.

dougdirt
01-15-2008, 09:51 PM
Where's Justin Reed?

He finished 3rd among the remaining players on the #27 list and he's got ceiling to burn compared to guys like Gardner and Janish. Janish pretty much has IF utility glove ceiling. Yuck.

Anyway, Reed's got my vote. He's the only guy left who made a BA top 20 after the 2007 season.

Forgot him when I was typing them in. That one is on me.

Highlifeman21
01-15-2008, 10:11 PM
I wonder how the Reds' prospects feel about our community project.

OnBaseMachine
01-15-2008, 10:14 PM
I'll go with Ramon Ramirez slightly over Justin Reed.

dougdirt
01-15-2008, 10:21 PM
I wonder how the Reds' prospects feel about our community project.

"Nerds"

nycredsfan
01-16-2008, 04:17 PM
My "other" vote is for Reed.

Kc61
01-16-2008, 05:05 PM
If a run-off is required, maybe add Justin Reed to the run-off since he isn't on this ballot.

dougdirt
01-16-2008, 05:41 PM
If a run-off is required, maybe add Justin Reed to the run-off since he isn't on this ballot.

He has a little more than half of the vote as the other guys. While I goofed and left him off the list, if he were on there I don't think he would garner much more than he has gotten already.

sh0619
01-16-2008, 05:51 PM
[QUOTE=Highlifeman21;1535454]I wonder how the Reds' prospects feel about our community project.[/QUOTE

They dont care what people on these boards say about them....Trust me....

Mario-Rijo
01-16-2008, 06:33 PM
I wonder how the Reds' prospects feel about our community project.

They dont care what people on these boards say about them....Trust me....

Should we consider that statement "speaking from experience"?

BoydsOfSummer
01-16-2008, 10:00 PM
Ryan is that you?:p:

Blue
01-16-2008, 11:10 PM
They dont care what people on these boards say about them....Trust me....

In that case they probably don't even both reading them.

BuckeyeRedleg
01-17-2008, 10:37 AM
Reed for me.

sh0619
01-17-2008, 09:57 PM
Should we consider that statement "speaking from experience"?

In a way....engaged to one of them...

camisadelgolf
01-18-2008, 09:34 AM
In a way....engaged to one of them...

Which one?

RedsManRick
01-21-2008, 11:39 AM
In a way....engaged to one of them...

I missed this post earlier... Whoever your beau is and whatever may have been said about him on these boards, at least let him know that we're all rooting for him to do well.

sh0619
01-22-2008, 07:51 PM
I missed this post earlier... Whoever your beau is and whatever may have been said about him on these boards, at least let him know that we're all rooting for him to do well.

Thank you very much for that...