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David Cubbedge
01-22-2008, 02:22 PM
If history has anything to do with itself, we have to stop being so optimistic and think about what could possibly happen. I know there is a new manager in town and we all should give him a chance before throwing him to the lions. What better time than now than to set myself up for a nice plate of crow?

I mean, after all the constant neglect to utilize talent where it would most benefit the team, we should have learned a lesson by now. There is no way you can tell me that Boone, Miley, and Narron all had some flaw in their brain that made them inept to put a constructive lineup together. They all seemed to have an agreeable madness, and at what cost? Well, it cost them their job for starters. But even more than that, it costs Cincinnati fans their chance at seeing "championship baseball" (-Bob Castellini).


It starts right now folks. We have to start putting our guard up now and prepare ourselves for another journey through trialed times. If we don't prepare ourselves, we will find ourselves disappointed.

Here are a few things to expect:

* Opening Day lineup will whittle its way through the internet while many fans find themselves outraged at the ludicrous idea of starting Hatteberg over Votto.

* At some point during spring training, Dusty Baker will have the notion to try Griffey out in CF.

* Affeldt will be in the starting rotation. So will Volquez, Harang, Arroyo, and Belisle.

* Bailey will get his long after the All-Star break. He will put up similar numbers to Belisle's last year.

* Cueto won't even get a September callup.

* Votto will be traded due to lack of finding a spot for him to play. I see him going to the Braves.

* Hamilton will start in CF for the AL All-Star team, while Volquez will be a decent number 4.

* Sergio Valenzuela...who?

* Jared Burton will have all our hopes up, only to pull a Ryan Wagner on us.

* Coffey will come back very strong. Majewski and Bray will show us they are worthy as well.

* Injuries; Griffey, Arroyo, Freel, Gonzo, Votto, Belisle, Ross.

* Our lone All-Star will be Aaron Harang

* Jay Bruce will win the ROY.

* By season's end, we will really hate Dusty Baker and once again be calling for a new manager.

* Krivsky will be fired and Jocketty will slide right in.

* Jocketty will make a deadline deal and it will involve Dunn's departure for pitching.

* They will draft a SP in the first round.

* Dollar hot dogs? Oh yes, they are coming again.

Thatís about all I can stand for now. But with all that, we have to look at the bright side. Every single team in baseball will have its hard times as well. I am simply predicting them before they happen.

Anyhow, if all this were to happen, could we still contend?

Bip Roberts
01-22-2008, 02:26 PM
Braves have a 1st baseman

David Cubbedge
01-22-2008, 02:27 PM
Yes, they sure do. And a darn good one at that.

*BaseClogger*
01-22-2008, 02:29 PM
Braves have a 1st baseman

and he's got one year left on his contract and is unlikely to resign with them...

Anyways, for a pessimist some of those predicitions were optimistic!

David Cubbedge
01-22-2008, 02:30 PM
A few were optimistic for sure. But as a whole, it does sound rather negative, doesn't it?

Bip Roberts
01-22-2008, 02:35 PM
and he's got one year left on his contract and is unlikely to resign with them...

Anyways, for a pessimist some of those predicitions were optimistic!

Braves have been saying the whole time they plan on resigning him.

Stephenk29
01-22-2008, 03:05 PM
The Braves are also not afraid to let people walk. With Jones gone and Chipper possibly counting down the years though I wonder if their looking for a new face of the franchise for the long term. They also gave up their top prospects for Tex, their gonna have to make ever attempt to resign him or it would be a total waste.

roby
01-22-2008, 03:10 PM
If history has anything to do with itself, we have to stop being so optimistic and think about what could possibly happen. I know there is a new manager in town and we all should give him a chance before throwing him to the lions. What better time than now than to set myself up for a nice plate of crow?

I mean, after all the constant neglect to utilize talent where it would most benefit the team, we should have learned a lesson by now. There is no way you can tell me that Boone, Miley, and Narron all had some flaw in their brain that made them inept to put a constructive lineup together. They all seemed to have an agreeable madness, and at what cost? Well, it cost them their job for starters. But even more than that, it costs Cincinnati fans their chance at seeing "championship baseball" (-Bob Castellini).


It starts right now folks. We have to start putting our guard up now and prepare ourselves for another journey through trialed times. If we don't prepare ourselves, we will find ourselves disappointed.

Here are a few things to expect:

* Opening Day lineup will whittle its way through the internet while many fans find themselves outraged at the ludicrous idea of starting Hatteberg over Votto.

* At some point during spring training, Dusty Baker will have the notion to try Griffey out in CF.

* Affeldt will be in the starting rotation. So will Volquez, Harang, Arroyo, and Belisle.

* Bailey will get his long after the All-Star break. He will put up similar numbers to Belisle's last year.

* Cueto won't even get a September callup.

* Votto will be traded due to lack of finding a spot for him to play. I see him going to the Braves.

* Hamilton will start in CF for the AL All-Star team, while Volquez will be a decent number 4.

* Sergio Valenzuela...who?

* Jared Burton will have all our hopes up, only to pull a Ryan Wagner on us.

* Coffey will come back very strong. Majewski and Bray will show us they are worthy as well.

* Injuries; Griffey, Arroyo, Freel, Gonzo, Votto, Belisle, Ross.

* Our lone All-Star will be Aaron Harang

* Jay Bruce will win the ROY.

* By season's end, we will really hate Dusty Baker and once again be calling for a new manager.

* Krivsky will be fired and Jocketty will slide right in.

* Jocketty will make a deadline deal and it will involve Dunn's departure for pitching.

* They will draft a SP in the first round.

* Dollar hot dogs? Oh yes, they are coming again.

Thatís about all I can stand for now. But with all that, we have to look at the bright side. Every single team in baseball will have its hard times as well. I am simply predicting them before they happen.

Anyhow, if all this were to happen, could we still contend?

Thanks for the uplift, chicken little! ;)

David Cubbedge
01-22-2008, 03:13 PM
Chicken little? I haven't claimed our need to taste the clouds quite yet, but at the same time I see these scenarios as very realistic possibilities.

AmarilloRed
01-22-2008, 03:34 PM
Chicken little? I haven't claimed our need to taste the clouds quite yet, but at the same time I see these scenarios as very realistic possibilities.

I can fully understand your pessimism after 7 losing seasons, but this is a new year and hopefully things will be different. Nevertheless, it is always best to be prepared for the worst, as it always seems to happen to the Reds. I fully expect the best the Reds will do this year is to reach .500, but I could be pleasantly surprised.

*BaseClogger*
01-22-2008, 03:36 PM
* By season's end, we will really hate Dusty Baker and once again be calling for a new manager.


I already really hate Dusty Baker! :censored:


* Dollar hot dogs? Oh yes, they are coming again.


I'm not complaining about that! :)

AmarilloRed
01-22-2008, 03:42 PM
I already really hate Dusty Baker! :censored:



Let Dusty Baker manage one spring training game for the Reds before you decide to hate him.

*BaseClogger*
01-22-2008, 03:47 PM
Let Dusty Baker manage one spring training game for the Reds before you decide to hate him.

he dug his grave when he started talking about doing something to bases... what was it he said... I can't seem to remember what it was that he talked about... bunts? hit and runs? gee I just can't seem to put my finger on it! :p:

Stephenk29
01-22-2008, 04:29 PM
he dug his grave when he started talking about doing something to bases... what was it he said... I can't seem to remember what it was that he talked about... bunts? hit and runs? gee I just can't seem to put my finger on it! :p:

You must be used to watching the Tigers drop bombs up there:D

*BaseClogger*
01-22-2008, 07:01 PM
You must be used to watching the Tigers drop bombs up there:D

They have a potent offense, but it is certainly not driven by the home run, especially in Comerica. It helps when you have Polanco and Mags each hitting like .350 and Granderson's 20/20/20/20. Can we please have a winning season this year so these bandwagon fans will shut up!?

TN Red Fan
01-22-2008, 07:35 PM
Add this....

Brandon Phillips will only hit 15-20 home runs and Gonzalez will put up #s more like his career average.

Votto won't start because he'll be hitting around .250 (why did his average drop 20 points last year?)

Griffey will get hurt and won't be very effective anyway as age finally catches up to him.

Ross proves that his .200 average wasn't a fluke.

I(heart)Freel
01-22-2008, 08:34 PM
I think I'll prefer to ignore this thread and go read the one that says a national columnist calls the Reds the surprise team of 2008, thankyouverymuch.

What the h*ll is pre-season for if not optimism?

Caveman Techie
01-22-2008, 08:52 PM
What the h*ll is pre-season for if not optimism?

:beerme:

Vada Pinson Fan
01-22-2008, 09:04 PM
David, I think you need to change the manufacturer of your crystal ball. Try to get your money back if you can. :)

Seriously though, let's watch several games at least before all the gloom and doom. The Reds will be better, fundamentally if nothing else but I hope for more than that and for the first time in a long time, I'm super excited about watching the mega-talented kids coming up and seeing the players busting their tail for Dusty Baker!

IowaRed
01-22-2008, 09:24 PM
Let Dusty Baker manage one spring training game for the Reds before you decide to hate him.

I think some of us have seen Dusty Baker manage plenty, my opinion comes from that (I get the feeling the David Cubbedge, Baseclogger, and myself have anyway) I have no reason to believe this leopard will change it's spots. Plus, I've always been one to avoid the rush, I started not liking him a long time ago

shredda2000
01-22-2008, 09:29 PM
I think some of us have seen Dusty Baker manage plenty, my opinion comes from that (I get the feeling the David Cubbedge, Baseclogger, and myself have anyway) I have no reason to believe this leopard will change it's spots. Plus, I've always been one to avoid the rush, I started not liking him a long time ago

He's a DANG DODGER!!! But I will give him some time...

David Cubbedge
01-22-2008, 09:49 PM
I still like this team a lot. But we have to try and face possibilities here. Surely I am not in left field on these predictions. I should have made them in a checklist format so I can check them off as they happen.

So many of my comments were negative toward the team. But as I stated earlier, every team in baseball will have its shortcomings. But can they still contend with all this around them?

*BaseClogger*
01-22-2008, 10:48 PM
Hey, it may be pessimistic, but it would nice to be losing with young, talented, players with high ceilings, rather than other teams retread veterans!

Bip Roberts
01-22-2008, 10:59 PM
Better be bad and have an excuse right?

redsupport
01-22-2008, 11:40 PM
coffey and majewski willcome back, better chance that Ted Davidson and Bill Kelso come back

Bigredfan#1
01-22-2008, 11:47 PM
My turn....

Bruce wins the ROY!
Votto hit 300 with 25 HRs and finishes 3rd in Voting for ROY
Bailey wins 16 games and finishes 2nd in ROY voting
Harang win 20
Cordero saves 44
Philips repeat 30 30
Affeldt is in the PEN
Volquez is our 5 but pitches far better than a 5
EE has breakout year
Griff is healthy and hit 300 with 40 HR
Dunn hit 50 dingers
Gonzo has career year
Cueto minor league pitcher of the year
Dunn signs long term
Griff signs a 2 yr contract and is rejuvenated and healthy
breaks the 700 hr plateau
REDS WIN THE NLC and WS to boot

I win my fantasy baseball league for the 3rd year in a row

What the hey, thought I might as well

XU Lou
01-23-2008, 10:34 AM
[QUOTE=David Cubbedge;1539194]I still like this team a lot. But we have to try and face possibilities here. Surely I am not in left field on these predictions. I should have made them in a checklist format so I can check them off as they happen.

If you are in left field make sure Dunn is wearing his glove on the correct hand.

XU Lou
01-23-2008, 10:38 AM
My turn....

Bruce wins the ROY!
Votto hit 300 with 25 HRs and finishes 3rd in Voting for ROY
Bailey wins 16 games and finishes 2nd in ROY voting
Harang win 20
Cordero saves 44
Philips repeat 30 30
Affeldt is in the PEN
Volquez is our 5 but pitches far better than a 5
EE has breakout year
Griff is healthy and hit 300 with 40 HR
Dunn hit 50 dingers
Gonzo has career year
Cueto minor league pitcher of the year
Dunn signs long term
Griff signs a 2 yr contract and is rejuvenated and healthy
breaks the 700 hr plateau
REDS WIN THE NLC and WS to boot

I win my fantasy baseball league for the 3rd year in a row

What the hey, thought I might as well

Don't forget...

Dunn wins Gold Glove

Bip Roberts
01-23-2008, 01:33 PM
Don't forget...

Dunn wins Gold Glove

He at least listed thinks that have a chance of happening.

XU Lou
01-23-2008, 04:23 PM
He at least listed thinks that have a chance of happening.

Yeah, kind of pushing the envelope with that one, sorry.:D