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*BaseClogger*
01-31-2008, 11:27 PM
It's likely that a thread similar to this has been started at some point here on RedsZone based on many of the comments I have read, but I'll start it anyway:

What about ESPN annoys you?

This could probably become a pretty long and comprehensive list. I'll start things off with the thing that bugs me the most: ESPN's baseball coverage. It begins with Joe Morgan calling Sunday Night Baseball. Even if you love Joe Morgan (:bang:), it has to bother you that either the Yankees or Red Sox are involed in 3/5 of the matchups they telecast. On top of that, every Baseball Tonight episode begins with 20 minutes to update us on "da yanks" and "da sox". And don't get me started with John Kruk and Steve Phillips...

WVRed
01-31-2008, 11:31 PM
I think I made a thread called "Why I hate ESPN: The Boycott Thread"

Mine is simple.

http://blog.nbx.com/images/duke_vitale.jpg

Screwball
01-31-2008, 11:32 PM
The fact I still have to put up with Berman to hear Tom Jackson.

Speaking of Berman, get a load of this...

(NOTE: not for anybody offended by foul language, nor anybody who's not currently a sailor)

Chris Berman Goes Crazy (http://youtube.com/watch?v=tnC8BtNBNLo)

*BaseClogger*
01-31-2008, 11:33 PM
I honestly wish a boycott would work, but we are a bunch of addicts aren't we? :(

*BaseClogger*
01-31-2008, 11:35 PM
Ah yes:

http://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=59684&highlight=boycott+espn

Too soon? Or have other things pissed y'all off since that thread in June?

Bip Roberts
02-01-2008, 12:08 AM
John Kruk is my hero and idol.

westofyou
02-01-2008, 12:25 AM
I love ESPN.

I don't watch it anymore.

But I love that it exists.

Because simply put, the past was WAY worse.

*BaseClogger*
02-01-2008, 12:32 AM
I love ESPN.

I don't watch it anymore.

But I love that it exists.

Because simply put, the past was WAY worse.

do I come off like a spoiled teenager that should be thankfull for what I have?

westofyou
02-01-2008, 12:42 AM
do I come off like a spoiled teenager that should be thankfull for what I have?

Nah, because they're are an annoying bunch of non focused catch phrase morons running around the studios.

But for sure it beats calling the sports department to get the scores... those phones would ring a long time... a long time.

Roy Tucker
02-01-2008, 09:21 AM
I try to just watch games (football, hoops, baseball) on ESPN and skip all the pre-game and sport-specific shows. ESPN is bit like being in a room with a bunch of ADD teens drinking Moutain Dew and eating candy bars. I can tune out announcers that annoy me (lot of practice with my wife) and just watch the game action.

Catching scores of games, particularly west coast Reds games, used to be an art form. Like woy, I'm glad ESPN is there, but just in limited doses.

Degenerate39
02-01-2008, 09:27 AM
I don't have a problem with ESPN when it's not Baseball or Football season. But I hate it when they always discount the Reds from doing anything in the Central division.

bucksfan2
02-01-2008, 09:35 AM
These guys I find very difficult to listen to Steve Phillips, Mike Patrick, and Keyshawn Johnson.

cumberlandreds
02-01-2008, 09:37 AM
I love ESPN.

I don't watch it anymore.

But I love that it exists.

Because simply put, the past was WAY worse.

Well said,WOY. Used to the only way to get scores was to watch the 11 o'clock news and sometimes then you wouldn't see the one wanted. I now only watch ESPN for the games they have and occasionily PTI. I watch ESPNEWS for the scores and highlights. No fluff,stupid phrases and other junk that is on sportscenter.

Unassisted
02-01-2008, 10:40 AM
All that I really need ESPN for is to catch Big Ten football games. The thing that annoys me most about it is knowing that the fee my cable operator pays for it makes my cable bill higher during the months I don't watch it, December through August.

TeamSelig
02-01-2008, 11:09 AM
I get tired of the following:

Bowling
Tennis
WNBA
Poker
Hockey
Crappy, no-name college football

Seems like they play a combo of this list on ESPN/ESPN2 at all times.

westofyou
02-01-2008, 11:13 AM
I get tired of the following:

Bowling
Tennis
WNBA
Poker
Hockey
Crappy, no-name college football

Seems like they play a combo of this list on ESPN/ESPN2 at all times.

Hockey hasn't been on ESPN in 3 years.

TeamSelig
02-01-2008, 11:21 AM
My bad. I see it on TV alot, and just assumed ESPN.

Replace Hockey w/ Soccer.

westofyou
02-01-2008, 11:26 AM
My bad. I see it on TV alot, and just assumed ESPN.

Replace Hockey w/ Soccer.

Soccer is on ESPN in the middle of the week for 4 hours mid day every 6 weeks during soccer season on the deuce... hardly something to sweat... especially since it's 100 times better then any basketball game.

TeamSelig
02-01-2008, 11:41 AM
You have your opinion, I have mine. Can't say either one of us is right. I just personally dislike the sport. Not a fan - thus annoying me when I see it on TV.

MWM
02-01-2008, 11:45 AM
I do love that ESPN exists, but I hate the fact that they're not near as good as they used to be. It used to be much more "news" and much less "tabloid." I loved that ESPN and was a regular consumer of their product. Now I watch probably about 25% of what I used to watch. They've become something that doesn't appeal to me beyond getting scores and watching the games they show. I'm clearly not the target they're going after any more.

OldRightHander
02-01-2008, 11:47 AM
The thing that bugs me most is tuning into a sports channel and seeing things that aren't a sport, mainly people sitting around playing cards. If poker is a sport, why don't they televise people playing Monopoly and Scrabble as well?

westofyou
02-01-2008, 11:49 AM
You have your opinion, I have mine. Can't say either one of us is right. I just personally dislike the sport. Not a fan - thus annoying me when I see it on TV.

True.. but saying that a sport that gets 4 hours a month on a network is on ALL the time is funny, because that's about 0.0055555 percent of the hours in an average month.

RedsManRick
02-01-2008, 12:43 PM
Oh man, this is like shooting fish in a barrel.
- Too much "entertainment", not enough "sports".
- Completely contrived dramatic crap, as if the sports themselves were not compelling.
- Annoucners/Analysts: I simply don't understand the love affair with having ex-jocks tell me about sports. Their expertise is in doing the sports. I want to see people's whose expertise is either journalism or analysis. I simply cannot emphasize this enough. This is the single #1 problem with ESPN, clueless talking heads who delivery crappy content poorly.
- Highlights: I want a 30 second version of the game, highlighting both the dramatic moments and notable "fun" achievements. There is more to a baseball game than strikeouts and homers and there is more to a basketball game than breakaway dunks and half court shots at halftime. Yuck.

Highlifeman21
02-01-2008, 02:45 PM
The thing that bugs me most is tuning into a sports channel and seeing things that aren't a sport, mainly people sitting around playing cards. If poker is a sport, why don't they televise people playing Monopoly and Scrabble as well?

Actually, ESPN does televise Scrabble.

Haven't seen Monopoly yet, though.

KronoRed
02-01-2008, 03:18 PM
If Monopoly is a pro sport then I'm set for life.

Yachtzee
02-01-2008, 03:38 PM
My bad. I see it on TV alot, and just assumed ESPN.

Replace Hockey w/ Soccer.

I would love it if ESPN actually put on more soccer. More actual sports, less pseudo-sports and infotainment crap. You may not like soccer, but you can't deny that it is an actual sport, as opposed to say, poker and billiards. I hate the fact that ESPN has the contract to broadcast Champions League Soccer, yet it has relegated that coverage to ESPN Deportes. I don't get ESPN Deportes because it's part of the Spanish Language package, so therefore I do not get to see Champions League Soccer. The only soccer ESPN shows on the English language channels belongs to the MLS.

Seriously, ESPN has to fill up the schedule for 5 or 6 networks somehow. Would you rather they filled it up with BS like poker and billiards, along with their infotainment junk like Cold Pizza, Around the Horn, and "Who's Now?" Or would you rather they filled it up with actual sports. I miss the days when you could see actual sports on ESPN. Show me some international soccer, some World Cup skiing, tennis, hockey, no-name college football (which is often more fun to watch than some lame big college matchup), swimming, diving, track and field, speed skating, water polo, anything. As much as I don't like figure skating and gymnastics, I'd much rather have that than have a bunch of hack sports writers yell at me through my TV.

I think it's a shame that ESPN and ABC, which both had a reputation for bringing a large variety of sports into our homes, have both become populated with catch-phrase spewing hacks who thrive on the idea that the personalities presenting the sports are more important than the sports themselves. Bring me back the days of Jim McKay on Wide World of Sports sending me to Austria for the Hannenkahm Downhill or to Acapulco for cliff diving.

MWM
02-01-2008, 05:29 PM
This pretty much sums it up for me. It's from a couple years ago:


This is a new age in sports and sports marketing. This is the 21st century in sports business where ESPN branches out from scores and highlights to bigger (though not better) ventures including making movies. One of the consequences, I believe, is a major step backwards in target audience.

This isn't the ESPN of 20 years ago or even 5 years ago. Now we have Sean Salisbury and John Clayton playing "fact or fiction", Rob Dibble saying outrageous things just to be controversial, we have segments called "buying or selling", we even had a segment with Steven A. Smith as the hard core, militant (and black) new guard versus Skip Bayless as the conservative "things were so much better when..." voice. ESPN's segments have been watered down to the point where not much is left beyond product placements and silly self-aggrandizing interviews sponsored by beer companies. At ESPN, shades of grey are for yesterday's sports fan. Following the example of Fox TV in the early 90s, ESPN now plays exclusively to the lowest common denominator -- the cheap seats.

There are plenty of intelligent sports fans out there. Many are well rounded, diverse and come from a cross section of America. But I don't think they're the ones who are glued to ESPN eagerly awaiting "the truth" from Sean Salisbury or John Kruk in between watching two hot chicks peel each others clothes off in a fight over beers. It's easy to sit through ESPN's programs and commercials as they put your brain to sleep, unburdened by anything resembling a thought.

I don't know about you, but that's not me...as much as ESPN may want it to me to be. I'm no longer ESPN's target audience. I used to be 5-10 years ago. In all of their programming ESPN is after a newer and easier target now…. The target audience is "the hard-core sports fan who obesses over ESPN." I'd say there is a significant difference between that species and the sports fan who is savvy enough to embrace subtlety.

I have little use for ESPN anymore. I do appreciate subtlety in my sports and certainly in my movies. And for the life of me, I can't see how anybody would watch a movie made by ESPN unless it was because they've been hammered by commercials convincing them they need to see the slop.

I don’t want it to come across that I think I’m above sports these days, or that ESPN doesn’t offer anything I want to watch. I still watch baseball and football games when they’re on, and once in awhile I’ll catch Baseball Tonight.

I’m from the Westside of Cincinnati. I still play softball two or three nights a week. I’m still known to put down a few tubs of beer and close the park on a regular basis. I’m in three fantasy football leagues and two fantasy baseball leagues. I probably buy 10-12 sports books per year. I guess my point is, I should be a sure thing as a target for ESPN and beer commercials. They should have no problem selling their products to me. The products already sell themselves as far as I’m concerned.

But I realized awhile back that, as much as sports are a part of my life, I’m no longer the target audience for ESPN …. They’re aiming beneath me. Why do all beer commercials make me feel like a blabbering Neanderthal just for being a guy? I realize I probably take the issue a bit more seriously than intended, but I don’t think most guys realize the undercurrent running through sports/beer/advertising that encourages men to act like the Neanderthals they aren’t.

Honestly, I have a blast when I drink, and I do drink a lot (probably too much). In addition, I love playing and watching sports. But that doesn’t mean I have to go to my favorite sports bar to watch the Big Game and even bigger commercials while ogling women who are nothing more than phony definitions of beauty. Surely this is the coveted American woman, right?

When I watch ESPN’s commercials and the programming sandwiched between, I really do feel insulted that this is how they see sports fans. There are times when I sleep walk through the programming, but when I do wake up and realize the idea being hammered into my head, I feel like my IQ drops 50 points just for being a beer guzzling, sportsfan of a guy. And here’s the part that gets me: I know that’s not me, but they insist on making it me. I don’t despise my oddness or my deviation from the ESPN obsessed fan or those things that make me, after all, me. I want to preserve those things.

Right now I’m trying to picture what I don’t like about ESPN, and the picture in my head goes something like this: Stuart Scott is doing his best “Mark Jones in 1997” impression, rapid firing inner city slang even though we all know he’s never been within a mile of a playground in his life. Next to Boo-ya! is some overly ambitious, starved for face time, cliché spouting recent college grad whose job it is to introduce football “expert” Sean Salisbury. Salisbury is already doing a 180 from the truth he laid on us last week. John Clayton, who would make Classy Freddy Blassie proud, is brought in to argue for five minutes with Salisbury. Isn’t it fun to watch the 6’5’’ ex-jock who’s never had an original thought cross his mind in all of his 35+ years argue non-stop with the pencil neck geek? Here’s how it goes:

“I’m right, you’re wrong. No, I’m right and you’re wrong. Well, you’re a geek and what do you know about girls? Well you’re an idiot ex-football player (this one couldn’t be any closer to the truth).”

They’re still bickering about whether Donovan McNabb is a black guy or not as we go to commercial. The commercial is for more ESPN programming later that night or that week. Then a beer commercial with two hot chicks and two guys doing something really stupid to get their attention. Then three straight commercials for Hu$tle. Then a couple more commercials starring the overexposed "high-upside" athlete du jour.

We’re back. And now we have the Budweiser hotseat with Clinton Portis…otherwise known as another commercial. Dan Patrick soft tosses a few questions to Clinton about his “ride” and his “crib” just so we know we’re getting an exclusive. If there’s a difference between the segment I just watched and the “Leon” commercial I saw two minutes ago, it’s beyond my ken. I’m not supposed to notice that Budweiser and ESPN just mocked the type of me-first, smack talking, scandal ridden self-promoter that they always turn to for opinions on the contrived controversy of the week.

Coincidentally, here comes Stuart Scott’s interview with Warren Sapp, Deion Sanders, and Keyshawn Johnson. Afterwards, we’ll turn to Michael Irvin and Mike Ditka for black and white analysis of the smack-talk. Irvin and Ditka take turns spitting at each other for five minutes. Ditka said something about not letting the players get away with it, and I couldn’t understand a word of Irvin’s diatribe.

More commercials…and finally a Top 10 plays segment with a lame headline attached to each one, such as “Bonds Away” or “Freel-ing Good” or “Roger That.”

There's your Sports Center, sportsfans. Boo-ya!

RichRed
02-01-2008, 05:40 PM
Wow, that post by Crash really does just about say it all. Right on the money.

*BaseClogger*
02-01-2008, 06:50 PM
Does anybody else miss Karate and Sumo Wrestling?

Unassisted
02-01-2008, 06:54 PM
Does anybody else miss Karate and Sumo Wrestling?I was just thinking that I miss seeing Australian Rules Football, Minnesota Fats and Willie Moscone billiards duels and "From the 55-Yard Line," the weekly CFL highlight show. All of that would infinitely preferable to the infotainment that ESPN fills its airwaves with now. :thumbup:

*BaseClogger*
02-01-2008, 06:57 PM
I was just thinking that I miss seeing Australian Rules Football, Minnesota Fats and Willie Moscone billiards duels and "From the 55-Yard Line," the weekly CFL highlight show. All of that would infinitely preferable to the infotainment that ESPN fills its airwaves with now. :thumbup:

Yeah, I forgot about rugby too...

westofyou
02-01-2008, 07:03 PM
I miss crazy European road races in those little cars.

But I also miss the days when phones weren't everywhere I look.

*BaseClogger*
02-01-2008, 07:06 PM
I miss crazy European road races in those little cars.

But I also miss the days when phones weren't everywhere I look.

I miss movies costing $7.00

westofyou
02-01-2008, 07:16 PM
I miss movies costing $7.00

Hahaha... I miss them costing $2.50

Unassisted
02-01-2008, 07:25 PM
I miss movies costing $7.00I just paid $4 to see one today. Love that AM matinee special at AMC theatres. :D

OldRightHander
02-02-2008, 01:05 AM
I miss the days when most of the mainstream sports were on the non cable networks and ESPN covered a lot of the off the beaten path sports that you don't see in America that much. ESPN back then was somewhat exotic because they were covering things I wasn't normally exposed to then and I watched a lot of it for those reasons. Now they don't show soccer that much, or hockey at all, and Aussie rules football and rugby don't even exist anymore as far as they're concerned. There has been more of a recent trend to put mainstream sports on cable and then the cable channels don't have any room for the other interesting sports I used to enjoy watching. It's a shame.

Handofdeath
02-02-2008, 01:40 AM
I have Fox Sports Southwest through my cable company. They have a nightly show called "FSN The Final Score". I think the other Fox Sports channels have the same thing. I prefer it much more than Sportscenter now although it is quite a bit like ESPNEWS in it's pacing but the style is much more to my liking.

*BaseClogger*
02-02-2008, 03:21 AM
thanks to what SportsCenter has turned into, I get all my sports information from the internet...

camisadelgolf
02-02-2008, 04:21 AM
Where I am, it costs 12 Euro to see a movie at the movie theater. Thank goodness for BitTorrent.

Gainesville Red
06-16-2008, 11:13 PM
Things that annoy me right now on ESPN:

You expect me to watch a Battle of the Bands on Baseball Tonight? You really thought I would? Really?

Can I see the baseball highlights? Please? Sigh.

RFS62
06-16-2008, 11:23 PM
Classic post by Crash Davis. Says it all.

Thanks for posting that, MWM.

improbus
06-16-2008, 11:25 PM
I'm really tired of the overwhelming amount of NFL coverage. Do I really need a half-hour show every day devoted to a sport that won't start for four months? Also, the idea of watching the NFL Draft is a complete and utter farce, let alone devoting seemingly hundreds of hours to covering it. Somehow, ESPN and the NFL turned a nothing event into "Must-See-TV". Do I really care who the Seahawks take in the third round, or even the first round? Sorry, but it is a complete waste of time.

The other thing to think about is this. Those dumb Studio shows like Cold Pizza and Around the Horn are like any reality show. They are cheap and easy to make. It's almost like printing money. So we will continue to see more shows like that and less competition.