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TeamCasey
02-03-2008, 06:09 PM
Go Pats! That is all. Talk amongst yourselves. ;)

redsfan1966
02-03-2008, 06:13 PM
Pats 34, Gints 21....Pats go down as greatest NFL team of all time...

WVRed
02-03-2008, 06:17 PM
Pats 27, Giants 24.

WMR
02-03-2008, 06:22 PM
Giants 35
Pats 34

A Super Bowl Red Carpet is perhaps the lamest thing I have ever seen.

And the lovely metrosexual Ryan Seacrest to boot.

Hap
02-03-2008, 06:38 PM
Patriots 27 Giants 23

pedro
02-03-2008, 06:41 PM
Pats 47
Giants 31

MrCinatit
02-03-2008, 06:54 PM
So...anyone else catch the F bomb Bradshaw just dropped while Long was putting on the Boston hat?

Falls City Beer
02-03-2008, 07:07 PM
Talking wax museum John Hancock! Football = freedom.

deltachi8
02-03-2008, 07:14 PM
NE 56
NYG 17

WMR
02-03-2008, 07:53 PM
That new Audi looks badass.

reds44
02-03-2008, 09:00 PM
Best commercial so far was hands down the Justin Timberlake Pepsi one.

"Hey to you"

Giants playing awesome D.

Puffy
02-03-2008, 09:07 PM
Best commercial so far was hands down the Justin Timberlake Pepsi one.

"Hey to you"

Giants playing awesome D.

No way - the Barkley-DWade one was the best. Too funny.

Go Giants!

Degenerate39
02-03-2008, 09:08 PM
Best commercial so far was hands down the Justin Timberlake Pepsi one.

"Hey to you"

Giants playing awesome D.

I thought the best commercial so far was the one with the Horses.

reds44
02-03-2008, 09:09 PM
No way - the Barkley-DWade one was the best. Too funny.

Go Giants!
Ah yes that was another good one, as was the Audi commercial.

I'll still take the Timberlake one though.

GAC
02-03-2008, 09:50 PM
I think the commercials this year far exceed the duds they put up last year. I liked the Bud Light commercial with the cavemen..... Wheel sucks! Bottle Opener sucks! :lol:

Loved the Fed Ex one too with the pidgeons.

I wonder how many hits Go Daddy is gonna take because people think Danica is actually going to show some skin? :lol:


The Game?

Even though they are down by 4, the game has gone the Giants way. They have to be happy. Their front 4 are putting pressure On Brady, which allows them to keep more back for coverage.

I still say the Pats pull this one out, but it has been a solid game. I didn't think the Pats would walk away with this one.

GAC
02-03-2008, 10:09 PM
Ok.The Coca-Cola commercial with the Thanksgiving Day floats (Stewie and Underdog) fighting over the bottle of Coke was an excellent one! :lol:


Giants on the Pat's 12. ;)

savafan
02-03-2008, 10:21 PM
What a game! I'm loving this!

Go Giants!

GAC
02-03-2008, 10:29 PM
MVP of the game? The Giants pass rush.

George Foster
02-03-2008, 10:31 PM
MVP of the game? The Giants pass rush.

so far and I mean so far, Brady has looked very average. Just shows you how good or bad an offensive line can make a QB look.

George Foster
02-03-2008, 10:32 PM
Can anybody stop that short white boy???

vaticanplum
02-03-2008, 10:33 PM
I am not much of a football fan, I admit, but I do love my Shockey and his team, and I am thoroughly enjoying this game.

George Foster
02-03-2008, 10:34 PM
you just got a feeling that the Pat's are about to explode....

George Foster
02-03-2008, 10:37 PM
Pat's have totally given up on running the ball.

savafan
02-03-2008, 10:39 PM
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooo

George Foster
02-03-2008, 10:39 PM
you just got a feeling that the Pat's are about to explode....

BOOB!:confused:

Dom Heffner
02-03-2008, 10:39 PM
We'll see how much Eli has in him right here....

savafan
02-03-2008, 10:40 PM
Can anybody stop that short white boy???

That's what I kept saying!

MrCinatit
02-03-2008, 10:40 PM
Wow, what a game this has been so far.
Still 3 minutes left. A lot can happen in 3 minutes.

EDIT - ok, less than three minutes, but still a lot of time.

Strikes Out Looking
02-03-2008, 10:41 PM
2:42 to baseball season!

George Foster
02-03-2008, 10:44 PM
a field goal won't help...got to have a TD.

George Foster
02-03-2008, 10:46 PM
come on Eli!!!

Chip R
02-03-2008, 10:51 PM
What a throw and catch!

George Foster
02-03-2008, 10:52 PM
Holy Moses....

MrCinatit
02-03-2008, 10:52 PM
That was a remarkable play, for want of better words. Freaking incredible.

savafan
02-03-2008, 10:56 PM
Yessssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss ssssssssssssss

savafan
02-03-2008, 10:56 PM
What a game!!!!!!!!!!

MrCinatit
02-03-2008, 10:56 PM
Holy smokes, this is a game for the ages.

savafan
02-03-2008, 10:57 PM
Now the Pats will know what it's like to lose by 3 in the Super Bowl.

George Foster
02-03-2008, 10:58 PM
Eli is 35 seconds from having no one say anything else about him ever...

Chip R
02-03-2008, 10:58 PM
It ain't over yet.

savafan
02-03-2008, 10:59 PM
Wanna bet they're going nuts in Vegas right now?

George Foster
02-03-2008, 11:00 PM
the corks are about ready to pop open in Miami

Chip R
02-03-2008, 11:00 PM
That was some hit.

savafan
02-03-2008, 11:00 PM
This is some game. Nice to see Tom Brady's human.

George Foster
02-03-2008, 11:02 PM
that pass was on the money

Chip R
02-03-2008, 11:03 PM
the corks are about ready to pop open in Miami

:D

George Foster
02-03-2008, 11:04 PM
the perfect regular season means nothing....no more questions about Eli anymore. Another SEC QB!!!!

savafan
02-03-2008, 11:05 PM
It's not perfect unless you finish perfect.

Falls City Beer
02-03-2008, 11:05 PM
The St. Louis Patriots have just lost by 3. The only thing more odious than NY fans is Boston fans.

Suck it, Boston.

pedro
02-03-2008, 11:05 PM
impressive performance by the giants.

good for them

George Foster
02-03-2008, 11:05 PM
someone was out coached tonight!!!!

Spring~Fields
02-03-2008, 11:06 PM
Great game, nicer outcome.

George Foster
02-03-2008, 11:06 PM
The St. Louis Patriots have just lost by 3. The only thing more odious than NY fans is Boston fans.

Suck it, Boston.

true my friend....suck it Boston!!!!

Falls City Beer
02-03-2008, 11:07 PM
Plax's prediction: money.

Dom Heffner
02-03-2008, 11:08 PM
And Belichek can't even stand on the field. What an &%@!!!

I guess the greatest team of all-time just lost the Super Bowl to a Wild Card team.

Falls City Beer
02-03-2008, 11:09 PM
And Belichek can't even stand on the field. What an &%@!!!

I guess the greatest team of all-time just lost the Super Bowl to a Wild Card team.

Lose, and look bad doing it.

George Foster
02-03-2008, 11:10 PM
And Belichek can't even stand on the field. What an &%@!!!

I guess the greatest team of all-time just lost the Super Bowl to a Wild Card team.


The perfect season will just be a "blimp"....winning the Super Bowl is all that matters!!!!

Dom Heffner
02-03-2008, 11:10 PM
Eli is 35 seconds from having no one say anything else about him ever...

You know, in spite of this, I still think he's a lousy quarterback. But I am ever so happy for him and the Giants.

Luck had to catch up to the Patriots eventually. They had won so many close games, it had to happen sometime.

George Foster
02-03-2008, 11:11 PM
And Belichek can't even stand on the field. What an &%@!!!

I guess the greatest team of all-time just lost the Super Bowl to a Wild Card team.

It will be curious to here the post game interviews. ESPN news should have the whole thing.

WMR
02-03-2008, 11:12 PM
LMAO!!!!

Couldn't happen to a more pompous coach.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha...

Dom Heffner
02-03-2008, 11:12 PM
I can't wait for Belicheck's press conference. "Next. Next. Next. Next."

Oh, I hate that man.

Guess Brady will have a great offseason posing for Stetson adds.

SteelSD
02-03-2008, 11:12 PM
That was incredible. Absolutely incredible. One of the best (if not THE best) NFL games I've ever seen.

I heart Plaxico Burress. And it was awesome to see Eli Manning's coming-of-age. It was similarly awesome to see Tom Brady on his butt for the majority of the game.

And Belichick was in the tunnel when it officially ended. See ya' in 2010, Bill. You're no Chuck Noll.

Falls City Beer
02-03-2008, 11:13 PM
You know, in spite of this, I still think he's a lousy quarterback. But I am ever so happy for him and the Giants.

Luck had to catch up to the Patriots eventually. They had won so many close games, it had to happen sometime.

He is a lousy quarterback.

With that in mind, that makes the Patriots losing it all the more pathetic. They had no business losing that game, but they coughed it up. That's awesome.

deltachi8
02-03-2008, 11:13 PM
NE 56
NYG 17

oops

Puffy
02-03-2008, 11:13 PM
Go Giants!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

George Foster
02-03-2008, 11:14 PM
You know, in spite of this, I still think he's a lousy quarterback. But I am ever so happy for him and the Giants.

Luck had to catch up to the Patriots eventually. They had won so many close games, it had to happen sometime.

Come on Dom....he lead his team down the field with 2 minutes in the 4th quarter, down 4...in the SUPER BOWL.....He's no Joe Montana, but give the boy some credit. How many would have that kind of composure??

MrCinatit
02-03-2008, 11:16 PM
He is a lousy quarterback.

With that in mind, that makes the Patriots losing it all the more pathetic. They had no business losing that game, but they coughed it up. That's awesome.

It looks to me like the Giants wanted the game more than the Patriots. It almost looked as though the Patriots went into the game thinking all they needed to do was show up, and the "perfect season" was all theirs.
So much for all that.

kaldaniels
02-03-2008, 11:16 PM
He is a lousy quarterback.

With that in mind, that makes the Patriots losing it all the more pathetic. They had no business losing that game, but they coughed it up. That's awesome.

That was some lousy play he made avoiding that sack and hitting a 30+ yard gain, I suppose. Look, I'm all for giving QBs time before they can be truly judged, but c'mon...to call Eli lousy...a bit far.

Dom Heffner
02-03-2008, 11:16 PM
He is a lousy quarterback.

There was a game last year where he threw for something like 76 yards in a game, 50 of them coming on the first play of the game and then had 30 yards the rest of the way. He's terrible, but I tell ya, I'll love him forever for this game.

I'm surprised FOX isn't making a bigger deal out of this. This is huge. Huge.

WMR
02-03-2008, 11:16 PM
Come on Dom....he lead his team down the field with 2 minutes in the 4th quarter, down 4...in the SUPER BOWL.....He's no Joe Montana, but give the boy some credit. How many would have that kind of composure??

Jared Lorenzen.... Super Bowl Champion? :eek:

George Foster
02-03-2008, 11:16 PM
Doug Williams looks like OJ during his pre-trail hearings...no tie, come on man...2 billion people are watching.:eek:

George Foster
02-03-2008, 11:17 PM
Jared Lorenzen.... Super Bowl Champion? :eek:

2 more SEC QB's got a super bowl ring!!!!

HeatherC1212
02-03-2008, 11:19 PM
Congratulations to the Giants!! What an amazing game. The Giants came out and played like they wanted to win. The Pats came out and played like they had all ready won without ever taking the field. You can never underestimate the team that's playing a game with nothing to lose....unfortunately, Ohio State fans know those types of teams very well, LMAO :lol:

WMR
02-03-2008, 11:20 PM
Who had a bigger turnaround to their legacy than Tom Coughlin????

Absolutely amazing.

kaldaniels
02-03-2008, 11:20 PM
There was a game last year where he threw for something like 76 yards in a game, 50 of them coming on the first play of the game and then had 30 yards the rest of the way. He's terrible, but I tell ya, I'll love him forever for this game.

I'm surprised FOX isn't making a bigger deal out of this. This is huge. Huge.

Tom Brady threw for 76 yards in a game in 2004. Funny that.

I can't believe the knocks Eli is getting in here tonight.

Dom Heffner
02-03-2008, 11:21 PM
A few good games does not a good quarterback make. Billy Joe Tolliver says hi. Trent Dilfer says hi.

Up until the last few weeks of this season and the playoffs Eli was a punchline. They won that game with their defense, and some smart plays from Manning. I'm not taking away from Eli, I'm just saying he won't be among the top 10 fantasy quarterbacks drafted next year.

Up until they went on this roll, I'd say Eli Manning was one of the worst starting QB's I've ever seen who was in no danger of losing his job.

WMR
02-03-2008, 11:21 PM
I'm so glad we don't have to see stupid Belicheat and Brady's smug mug up on that stand accepting the Super Bowl trophy.

deltachi8
02-03-2008, 11:22 PM
Tom Coughlin and his staff were wonderful tonight. It reminded me of Super Bowl 25 in the sense that a near perfect game plan was needed going in to beat the offensive juggernaut.

Of course you need execution on game day and you have to give it up to Eli and the defense for terrific games.

Also love to see Plex get that catch - 3 years ago he came close to a game changing catch in the AFC Title game, tonight he got it.

How about David Tyree??

George Foster
02-03-2008, 11:22 PM
Who had a bigger turnaround to their legacy than Tom Coughlin????

Absolutely amazing.

He had to beg for his job in the off-season. Good call by the Giants owners

flyer85
02-03-2008, 11:23 PM
Who had a bigger turnaround to their legacy than Tom Coughlin????

Absolutely amazing.he looked like a certain fire after the end of the season last year.

Dom Heffner
02-03-2008, 11:23 PM
Tom Brady threw for 76 yards in a game in 2004. Funny that.

Um, yeah, but he's been you know, a pretty good QB over a pretty large sample size.

Eli Manning was terrible until late this season. If you think Eli Manning is a good QB, I want you in my fantasy league next year and you can have him on your team.

kaldaniels
02-03-2008, 11:24 PM
A few good games does not a good quarterback make. Billy Joe Tolliver says hi. Trent Dilfer says hi.

Up until the last few weeks of this season and the playoffs Eli was a punchline. They won that game with their defense, and some smart plays from Manning. I'm not taking away from Eli, I'm just saying he won't be among the top 10 fantasy quarterbacks drafted next year.

Up until they went on this roll, I'd say Eli Manning was one of the worst starting QB's I've ever seen who was in no danger of losing his job.

I'm not saying he is great. However...he has not been a QB in the sense that say Trent Dilfer was, where the D won the games for him. Eli has led the Giants thru the playoffs. Of course the Giants D has stepped up and played lights out.

But...

1) He deserves better than lousy

2) Eli vs. Dilfer and Toliver are comparing apples and oranges.

Redlegs23
02-03-2008, 11:24 PM
The Patriots put a patent on the phrase 19-0. Hilarious!

George Foster
02-03-2008, 11:25 PM
A few good games does not a good quarterback make. Billy Joe Tolliver says hi. Trent Dilfer says hi.

Up until the last few weeks of this season and the playoffs Eli was a punchline. They won that game with their defense, and some smart plays from Manning. I'm not taking away from Eli, I'm just saying he won't be among the top 10 fantasy quarterbacks drafted next year.

Up until they went on this roll, I'd say Eli Manning was one of the worst starting QB's I've ever seen who was in no danger of losing his job.


You are correct, but this was only his 3rd full year..maybe 4, but man...he was pretty good in the 4 biggest games of his career this season.

kaldaniels
02-03-2008, 11:25 PM
I'd be remiss if I didn't mention...his real name is Elisha????


http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/stats?playerId=5526

savafan
02-03-2008, 11:25 PM
That was some lousy play he made avoiding that sack and hitting a 30+ yard gain, I suppose. Look, I'm all for giving QBs time before they can be truly judged, but c'mon...to call Eli lousy...a bit far.

That may have been the best and most unbelievable play I've ever seen in an NFL game.

savafan
02-03-2008, 11:27 PM
I'll wait until Eli's career is over before I decide to label him.

George Foster
02-03-2008, 11:28 PM
I'd be remiss if I didn't mention...his real name is Elisha????


http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/stats?playerId=5526

If you know your Old Testament history....Elisha did not have alot on Eli tonight.:)

kaldaniels
02-03-2008, 11:29 PM
I'll wait until Eli's career is over before I decide to label him.

Agreed. However, I mean who watches what we just saw and thinks to themselves, "I'm gonna go post that Eli sucks".

Falls City Beer
02-03-2008, 11:30 PM
Agreed. However, I mean who watches what we just saw and thinks to themselves, "I'm gonna go post that Eli sucks".

It's called being objective. Maybe he goes on to have a great career from here on out; to this point he's been a well-below-average QB.

George Foster
02-03-2008, 11:31 PM
Eli named MVP. To bad defensive cc. could not be named MVP. His game plan will go down in NFL history. A lot of teams will be reviewing this film before they play the Pat's next season.

Dom Heffner
02-03-2008, 11:32 PM
I think Belichek is going to cry.

I would love to be Chris Myers right now.

"How do you explain letting a guy like Eli manning beat you?"

"How come the cheating didn't work tonight?"

Falls City Beer
02-03-2008, 11:33 PM
Now Boston can go back to being whiny losers instead of egregious winners.

TeamCasey
02-03-2008, 11:35 PM
Commercial: the one with the baby talking stocks.

Game: Giants defense was unbelievable and quite frustrating when you were rooting for the Pats. ;)

BoydsOfSummer
02-03-2008, 11:35 PM
Okay, Super Bowl is over. It's Baseball Season!

Boston Red
02-03-2008, 11:35 PM
Now Boston can go back to being whiny losers instead of egregious winners.

Well, Boston DOES still have the reigning WS champs (and overwhelming favorites to repeat) and an NBA team with the best record in the league. I don't think Boston sports are quite in the toilet yet.

kaldaniels
02-03-2008, 11:35 PM
It's called being objective. Maybe he goes on to have a great career from here on out; to this point he's been a well-below-average QB.

Look...no one can argue with the stats up to this point, I know. However...the closest anyone came to saying Eli was good on this thread was a quote by Steel saying this was Eli's "coming of age". Why go out of your way to knock a guy who has just stepped up bigger than life in the playoffs and led a GW drive with 3 minutes left...doesn't he deserve a break tonight. It's not like he was being crowned as the 2nd coming of Johnny Unitas or anything. Give the man his due please.

George Foster
02-03-2008, 11:36 PM
Okay, Super Bowl is over. It's Baseball Season!

Right On!!!:thumbup:

HeatherC1212
02-03-2008, 11:36 PM
My favorite commercial was the one where the Charlie Brown float ended up with the Coke after the Stewie and Underdog floats let it get away, LOL :laugh:

AccordinglyReds
02-03-2008, 11:36 PM
Yay! I'm so glad the Giants won. :)

For some reason, the postgame and whatnot celebrations didn't seem like past years. It kind of seem meaningless, aside for the expressions from the Giants players.

Patrick Bateman
02-03-2008, 11:37 PM
Congrats Puffy. Very proud moment to be a fan of the Giants. Not only did you guys win the Superbowl, but you also BEAT the Pats. I would think just about every non-Pat fan would be on your side.

Caveat Emperor
02-03-2008, 11:38 PM
Eli Manning's toddler-like antics on draft day paid off.

Can't say I'm happy with that.

The 1972 Dolphins continue to be relevant.

Can't say I'm happy with that.

Oh well -- Congrats to the Giants. One of the most exciting Super Bowl's I've watched. Props to Eli for getting it done when it mattered most.

kaldaniels
02-03-2008, 11:39 PM
Yay! I'm so glad the Giants won. :)

For some reason, the postgame and whatnot celebrations didn't seem like past years. It kind of seem meaningless, aside for the expressions from the Giants players.

One of my biggest fears as a Browns fan...

Is that when (spare the jokes) they win the Superbowl...is that the history of it will be lost in the corporate hubbub and endless TV promos.

Boston Red
02-03-2008, 11:40 PM
The 1976 Dolphins continue to be relevant.


The 1976 Dolphins definitely are not relevant.

Dom Heffner
02-03-2008, 11:40 PM
You are correct, but this was only his 3rd full year..maybe 4, but man...he was pretty good in the 4 biggest games of his career this season.

I know I'm being hard on the guy. I just consider him replacement level, to be honest.

He is such a goofy oaf, too. To see him up there with the MVP trophy and not Brady- There isn't a better moment in sports, ever.

Is Terry Bradshaw drunk, or does he just not have his teeth in? He sounds terrible.

I love when Burress picked the Giants with a score like 20-17 and Brady made a joke like, "We're only going to score 17 points?"

No, Tom, you're not going to score 17 points, you're going to score 14.



No more best team ever talk. This is awesome. Just terrific.

HeatherC1212
02-03-2008, 11:40 PM
The 1976 Dolphins continue to be relevant.

Oh well -- Congrats to the Giants. One of the most exciting Super Bowl's I've watched. Props to Eli for getting it done when it mattered most.

I thought it was the 1972 Dolphins? :confused:

Dom Heffner
02-03-2008, 11:42 PM
Why go out of your way to knock a guy who has just stepped up bigger than life in the playoffs and led a GW drive with 3 minutes left...

Like FCB said- the worse you think Eli is, the worse it looks for the Patriots.

Falls City Beer
02-03-2008, 11:42 PM
Well, Boston DOES still have the reigning WS champs (and overwhelming favorites to repeat) and an NBA team with the best record in the league. I don't think Boston sports are quite in the toilet yet.

Nothing's more humiliating than what just happened to the Patriots.

There's no salve for "18-1." "We'll get 'em next year" won't have the same ring after that.

Oh, and no one cares about the NBA.

Caveat Emperor
02-03-2008, 11:42 PM
I thought it was the 1972 Dolphins? :confused:

They are. I had a longer post about the 1976 Bucs and the 1972 Dolphins that I erased and didn't catch the error.

My bad.

WMR
02-03-2008, 11:43 PM
Nothing's more humiliating than what just happened to the Patriots.

There's no salve for "18-1." "We'll get 'em next year" won't have the same ring after that.

Oh, and no one cares about the NBA.

YOU SIR DON'T SPEAK FOR SPIKE LEE. :angry:

WMR
02-03-2008, 11:43 PM
Anyone else see Bilecheat stomp off the field like a spoiled brat? Did he really not shake Coughlin's hand?

Boston Red
02-03-2008, 11:44 PM
Nothing's more humiliating than what just happened to the Patriots.

There's no salve for "18-1." "We'll get 'em next year" won't have the same ring after that.

Oh, and no one cares about the NBA.


Ah, I see you're in Philly. Bitterness definitely reigns in that town. They'll get a championship in something there someday.

Caveat Emperor
02-03-2008, 11:46 PM
Anyone else see Bilecheat stomp off the field like a spoiled brat?

No, but I'll bet someone from the Patriots got film of him. ;)

Falls City Beer
02-03-2008, 11:46 PM
Ah, I see you're in Philly. Bitterness definitely reigns in that town. They'll get a championship in something there someday.

Not a Philly native and have no interest in their teams. In fact, I root against them.

HeatherC1212
02-03-2008, 11:46 PM
Anyone else see Bilecheat stomp off the field like a spoiled brat? Did he really not shake Coughlin's hand?

I think he went across and shook Coughlin's hand during the time when the officials were trying to get everyone off the field again for that totally random one secone that they insisted on playing at the end of the game. I'm pretty sure they showed them both greeting each other and shaking hands before Belichek left the field.


They are. I had a longer post about the 1976 Bucs and the 1972 Dolphins that I erased and didn't catch the error.

My bad.

It's okay. I just got way confused and thought I had the year wrong, LOL :laugh:

deltachi8
02-03-2008, 11:47 PM
Anyone else see Bilecheat stomp off the field like a spoiled brat? Did he really not shake Coughlin's hand?

He shook his hand and congratulated him. He though the game was over (so did many) and left the field. People are making WAY too much over that.

Screwball
02-03-2008, 11:47 PM
Anyone else see Bilecheat stomp off the field like a spoiled brat? Did he really not shake Coughlin's hand?

He shook his hand. They me at midfield with :01 left and after that he headed to the locker room. It just looked like he stormed off because they had to get the field cleared and then run one more play.

Boston Red
02-03-2008, 11:47 PM
Not a Philly native and have no interest in their teams. In fact, I root against them.

Same with me and Boston, essentially. But from your post I see the bitterness is catchy.

George Foster
02-03-2008, 11:47 PM
Anyone else see Bilecheat stomp off the field like a spoiled brat? Did he really not shake Coughlin's hand?

and he is giving 2 word answers in the press conference...what a sore loser.

Brady being a gentleman in the press conference....

WMR
02-03-2008, 11:48 PM
No, but I'll bet someone from the Patriots got film of him. ;)

Bwaaahahahahahahahahahaha!!!

Reports from Phoenix that Gisele was photographed leaving the University of Phoenix Stadium with Eli Manning.

Falls City Beer
02-03-2008, 11:48 PM
Same with me and Boston, essentially. But from your post I see the bitterness is catchy.

Nah, just hate Boston and their fans.

Boston Red
02-03-2008, 11:49 PM
Nah, just hate Boston and their fans.

I love Boston (the town). Have to agree on a lot of the fans. Fun being a (partial) Red Sox season ticket holder, though!

BoydsOfSummer
02-03-2008, 11:51 PM
Same with me and Boston, essentially. But from your post I see the bitterness is catchy.

That's the thing with good 'ol FCB. He's like your cranky old Uncle. After awhile it's endearing. :D

George Foster
02-03-2008, 11:52 PM
Shula and Mercury sipping champagne and smoking cigars tonight in Miami!!!

WMR
02-03-2008, 11:55 PM
Someone needs to get a camera in front of Mercuy's face IMMEDIATELY.

WVRed
02-03-2008, 11:57 PM
I'd say Steve Spangulo has a big payday coming in later this week after he is named head coach of the Redskins. I'd say todays game contributed to it.

Word is that if the ex cameraman isn't making this up, Belicheck will be suspended for a full season. Couldn't happen to a nicer guy. At least Tom Brady acted somewhat gracious, not like Belicheck.

I'm willing to guess by judging Strahan this will be his last year. Just sayin'.

Congrats to Puffy.:) Hopefully one of my teams get back to the championship stage. It's been 10 years too long.:(

Falls City Beer
02-03-2008, 11:58 PM
I want to see a face-shot of that human-tomato Robert Kraft when Burress hauled in that pass.

I swear I've never seen an owner get more airtime than that little ghoul in his shimmery ties.

SteelSD
02-03-2008, 11:59 PM
The 1976 Dolphins definitely are not relevant.

Sure they are. They undefeated Dolphins are still the only NFL team with an undefeated season. "Undefeated" means "without a loss". The Patriots can't claim that now because they couldn't seal the deal. They were out-coached and out-played in the one game that mattered the most. Whoops.

Joe Montana and Terry Bradshaw are still the only QB's with four Super Bowl rings without a loss.

Chuck Noll is still the only NFL Head Coach with four Lobardi Trophies to his credit while going undefeated in Super Bowls. Of course, he did that without cheating, so that's cool. And I have a feeling that record isn't going to fall anytime soon.

WMR
02-03-2008, 11:59 PM
"little ghoul"

LMAO FCB you're a poet.

gilpdawg
02-04-2008, 12:00 AM
Sure they are. They 1976 Dolphins are still the only NFL team with an undefeated season. "Undefeated" means "without a loss". The Patriots can't claim that now because they couldn't seal the deal. They were out-coached and out-played in the one game that mattered the most. Whoops.

Joe Montana and Terry Bradshaw are still the only QB's with four Super Bowl rings without a loss.

Chuck Noll is still the only NFL Head Coach with four Lobardi Trophies to his credit while going undefeated in Super Bowls. Of course, he did that without cheating, so that's cool. And I have a feeling that record isn't going to fall anytime soon.
Over your head. May wanna check the year that Miami went undefeated, sir.:D

Falls City Beer
02-04-2008, 12:00 AM
"little ghoul"

LMAO FCB you're a poet.

The guy can't sit still either.

NJReds
02-04-2008, 12:01 AM
Eli deserved this.
Coughlin deserved this.

But there are a lot of Giants fans who piled on the bandwagon, not after the Tampa game, but after the Dallas game, who were calling for Coughlin's head during the last offseason and most of this season.

Just over a month ago, there were a lot of Giants fans lamenting the fact that they didn't draft Rivers or Big Ben, and wondering how long the Giants would "put up" with Eli as a starting QB. Of course, these are the same fols wearing spanking new Eli jerseys all over the place now.

Razor Shines
02-04-2008, 12:01 AM
Did anyone see when Belichick was challenging the 12 men play on the field and was jumping to demonstrate that the Giants player didn't get off the field. He reminded me of this guy:
http://www.comedycentral.com/images/shows/madtv/touts/m5/madtv_m5_stuart.jpg
And was saying to the ref: "Look what I can do!"

I've looked but can't find a picture of it yet. I want that photo, it will be my new avatar.

savafan
02-04-2008, 12:02 AM
Sure they are. They undefeated Dolphins are still the only NFL team with an undefeated season.

It was 1972 Steel.

Mark this date down, the day I got to correct Steel. Maybe I should go and buy a lottery ticket right now.

kaldaniels
02-04-2008, 12:03 AM
I'd say Steve Spangulo has a big payday coming in later this week after he is named head coach of the Redskins. I'd say todays game contributed to it.

Word is that if the ex cameraman isn't making this up, Belicheck will be suspended for a full season. Couldn't happen to a nicer guy. At least Tom Brady acted somewhat gracious, not like Belicheck.

I'm willing to guess by judging Strahan this will be his last year. Just sayin'.

Congrats to Puffy.:) Hopefully one of my teams get back to the championship stage. It's been 10 years too long.:(

For spygate??? What exactly are you talking about...my interest has been piqued.

WVRed
02-04-2008, 12:03 AM
Also, I bet Tiki Barber is really regretting bailing on the team. Although if Tiki was gone, Ahmad Bradshaw(who I really feel is going to be a good player in this league) would not be with the Giants.

Did anybody see Jeremy Shockey's private suite? Looked like he was getting loaded. I wonder if he will even remember tonight.

George Foster
02-04-2008, 12:04 AM
Over your head. May wanna check the year that Miami went undefeated, sir.:D

it was a mis-type by steel. You do not want to get in a statisical debate with Steel my friend...he will eat you alive.

WMR
02-04-2008, 12:04 AM
Tiki who?

That's what all the Giants players are saying when asked about him. :lol:

I'd love to see Tiki interviewing Strahan on the Today Show tomorrow morning. LMAO

SteelSD
02-04-2008, 12:05 AM
Over your head. May wanna check the year that Miami went undefeated, sir.:D

Please note my edit prior to your post. I realized that I was piggybacking off bad info.

George Foster
02-04-2008, 12:06 AM
Also, I bet Tiki Barber is really regretting bailing on the team. Although if Tiki was gone, Ahmad Bradshaw(who I really feel is going to be a good player in this league) would not be with the Giants.

Did anybody see Jeremy Shockey's private suite? Looked like he was getting loaded. I wonder if he will even remember tonight.

Why wasn't he on the field with his team??? That was odd.

George Foster
02-04-2008, 12:07 AM
Tiki who?

That's what all the Giants players are saying when asked about him. :lol:

I'd love to see Tiki interviewing Strahan on the Today Show tomorrow morning. LMAO

They were not calling him Tiki...they were calling him Tikme...seriously

KoryMac5
02-04-2008, 12:07 AM
My favorite commercial was the one where the Charlie Brown float ended up with the Coke after the Stewie and Underdog floats let it get away, LOL :laugh:

My wife and I stood up and cheered after that one, Charlie Brown finally won one.

As for the game awesome, biggest upset in Super Bowl history. I am sure the Giant players were sick of hearing about how good the Patriots were all week long. Nice win for coach Coughlin and Waterloo, NY.

sonny
02-04-2008, 12:09 AM
Best SB I ever saw.

Yachtzee
02-04-2008, 12:10 AM
Eli deserved this.
Coughlin deserved this.

But there are a lot of Giants fans who piled on the bandwagon, not after the Tampa game, but after the Dallas game, who were calling for Coughlin's head during the last offseason and most of this season.

Just over a month ago, there were a lot of Giants fans lamenting the fact that they didn't draft Rivers or Big Ben, and wondering how long the Giants would "put up" with Eli as a starting QB. Of course, these are the same fols wearing spanking new Eli jerseys all over the place now.

I wouldn't say Eli necessarily deserved it, but the Giants pass rush certainly did. They did a phenomenal job of putting pressure on Brady against one of the best offensive lines in football. Good job, Giants defense.

savafan
02-04-2008, 12:11 AM
http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20080203/capt.c6b76854ecdc4838970b3432b08d87d2.super_bowl_f ootball_sb151.jpg

SteelSD
02-04-2008, 12:12 AM
It was 1972 Steel.

Mark this date down, the day I got to correct Steel. Maybe I should go and buy a lottery ticket right now.

Yeah, yeah. Gawd!

Your Marvel "No-Prize" will be that I will buy you a beer the next time we meet. Unfortunately, I can't really project that out with any certainty.

Do you take PayPal? ;)

KoryMac5
02-04-2008, 12:13 AM
He is a lousy quarterback.

With that in mind, that makes the Patriots losing it all the more pathetic. They had no business losing that game, but they coughed it up. That's awesome.

I am also not sold on Eli but I bet Dan Marino would give up the touchdowns and all the yardage for what Eli has, a superbowl ring.

vaticanplum
02-04-2008, 12:13 AM
Eli Manning may not be a great quarterback, but these past two games against the Patriots he has played far and above his own abilities. He has genuinely proved himself to be worth more than something as simple as talent. Honestly, one of the greatest things I've ever seen, and I rail against football as a pursuit of the unenlightened and the just plain bored.

Wow. Just wow. What I wouldn't give to be spilling champagne with my absolutely ridiculous tight end right now.

savafan
02-04-2008, 12:13 AM
Yeah, yeah. Gawd!

Your Marvel "No-Prize" will be that I will buy you a beer the next time we meet. Unfortunately, I can't really project that out with any certainty.

Do you take PayPal? ;)

I take whatever I can get. ;)

Cyclone792
02-04-2008, 12:14 AM
A fun little Q & A session ...

Question: What's a pass rush and how can it help? I've never seen one.

Signed,
Bengals Fan

Answer: The Super Bowl was a classic example of what happens when you put pressure on the quarterback. The Giants defensive line was simply fantastic, and except for the Pats' 4th quarter TD scoring drive, the Giants had an immense amount of pressure on Brady nearly the entire game.

If Bengals fans are lucky, maybe Marvin Lewis learned something from this game.

But most likely he didn't.

blumj
02-04-2008, 12:14 AM
I don't really even feel that bad, not like the AFCCG last year. The Giants really earned this.

Falls City Beer
02-04-2008, 12:14 AM
http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20080203/capt.c6b76854ecdc4838970b3432b08d87d2.super_bowl_f ootball_sb151.jpg

I don't know if there's anything that can wipe away the Pats' prior SB victories entirely, but if there is, this is it.

I don't think we'll witness a team fall flatter on their face than the Patriots just did.

You remember when the coach would tell you, after a loss, "You got nothing to be ashamed of?"

The Patriots do.

*BaseClogger*
02-04-2008, 12:18 AM
I don't know if there's anything that can wipe away the Pats' prior SB victories entirely, but if there is, this is it.

I don't think we'll witness a team fall flatter on their face than the Patriots just did.

What about the 2007 National Championship game?

Caveat Emperor
02-04-2008, 12:18 AM
A fun little Q & A session ...

Question: What's a pass rush and how can it help? I've never seen one.

Signed,
Bengals Fan

Answer: The Super Bowl was a classic example of what happens when you put pressure on the quarterback. The Giants defensive line was simply fantastic, and except for the Pats' 4th quarter TD scoring drive, the Giants had an immense amount of pressure on Brady nearly the entire game.

If Bengals fans are lucky, maybe Marvin Lewis learned something from this game.

But most likely he didn't.

Learn a lesson here -- a great pass rush can mask a mediocre secondary every day of the week.

Time to stop drafting DBs and start addressing the front 4.

George Foster
02-04-2008, 12:19 AM
I am also not sold on Eli but I bet Dan Marino would give up the touchdowns and all the yardage for what Eli has, a superbowl ring.

The Rodney Dangerfield of the NFL....gee wiz.

He beat Garcia on the road, Romo on the road, Favre on the road, and now Brady. Oh, he has the same number of rings as his brother.

Caveat Emperor
02-04-2008, 12:20 AM
What I wouldn't give to be spilling champagne with my absolutely ridiculous tight end right now.

And the out-of-context quote award goes to...

:D

SteelSD
02-04-2008, 12:21 AM
I take whatever I can get. ;)

Well, then you'll either take $3.00 via PayPal or my promise to never hit on your future wife.

As awesome as I am, I'd suggest the $3.00 option. ;)

deltachi8
02-04-2008, 12:21 AM
And the out-of-context quote award goes to...

:D

beat me to it.

:D

George Foster
02-04-2008, 12:22 AM
Learn a lesson here -- a great pass rush can mask a mediocre secondary every day of the week.

Time to stop drafting DBs and start addressing the front 4.

I've been saying that for 4 years now. Palmer is as good as anybody in the NFL. He just needs a front line that can give him time to throw, and be able to block to let the RB's run, which would open up the passing game. It all starts and ends with the front 4.

deltachi8
02-04-2008, 12:23 AM
Well, then you'll either take $3.00 via PayPal or my promise to never hit on your future wife.

As awesome as I am, I'd suggest the $3.00 option. ;)

Having seen Sava's avatar, he better take the $3.

savafan
02-04-2008, 12:24 AM
Well, then you'll either take $3.00 via PayPal or my promise to never hit on your future wife.

As awesome as I am, I'd suggest the $3.00 option. ;)

Everyone hits on my future wife. :D

You can donate the $3 to Redszone, I'm cool. :)

Puffy
02-04-2008, 12:24 AM
A few good games does not a good quarterback make. Billy Joe Tolliver says hi. Trent Dilfer says hi.

Up until the last few weeks of this season and the playoffs Eli was a punchline. They won that game with their defense, and some smart plays from Manning. I'm not taking away from Eli, I'm just saying he won't be among the top 10 fantasy quarterbacks drafted next year.

Up until they went on this roll, I'd say Eli Manning was one of the worst starting QB's I've ever seen who was in no danger of losing his job.

Dom - ya know I love ya. I am not a huge Eli fan, I think the trade was too much too give up. But Eli had 5 straight top notch games - I'm betting he turned the corner.

George Foster
02-04-2008, 12:25 AM
news flash....

quote from Mercury:

"this just shows you that on any given Sunday anybody can beat anybody....except in 1972."

great quote.

vaticanplum
02-04-2008, 12:28 AM
And the out-of-context quote award goes to...

:D

I do my best for you guys, I really do.

Puffy
02-04-2008, 12:28 AM
Congrats Puffy. Very proud moment to be a fan of the Giants. Not only did you guys win the Superbowl, but you also BEAT the Pats. I would think just about every non-Pat fan would be on your side.

Thanks AK - I appreciate it!!

SteelSD
02-04-2008, 12:28 AM
Everyone hits on my future wife. :D

You can donate the $3 to Redszone, I'm cool. :)

Ohhh...confidence. I like it!

You're definitely ready to get hitched. :cool:

Kc61
02-04-2008, 12:34 AM
Eli deserved this.
Coughlin deserved this.

But there are a lot of Giants fans who piled on the bandwagon, not after the Tampa game, but after the Dallas game, who were calling for Coughlin's head during the last offseason and most of this season.

Just over a month ago, there were a lot of Giants fans lamenting the fact that they didn't draft Rivers or Big Ben, and wondering how long the Giants would "put up" with Eli as a starting QB. Of course, these are the same fols wearing spanking new Eli jerseys all over the place now.

Eli is one of the most unfairly maligned athletes in years in New York. They never gave him a chance to learn the pro game and develop. He was a true champion tonight, winning with a big fourth quarter drive. Good for him.

IslandRed
02-04-2008, 12:34 AM
Dom - ya know I love ya. I am not a huge Eli fan, I think the trade was too much too give up. But Eli had 5 straight top notch games - I'm betting he turned the corner.

Yep. Truth is, most QBs struggle their first few years in the league. The ones that don't have the light come on lose their jobs and the ones that do figure it out move on to good careers. Eli appears headed for the "good career" list IMO. So he's not as good as Peyton, the near-instant star and probable Hall of Famer, but he doesn't have to clear that particular bar to be a good NFL quarterback.

blumj
02-04-2008, 12:36 AM
You remember when the coach would tell you, after a loss, "You got nothing to be ashamed of?"

The Patriots do.

I don't know what to tell you. I'm not ashamed of them at all. They got outplayed in the one game that mattered the most. But the Giants earned it, the Pats didn't hand it to them.

SteelSD
02-04-2008, 12:37 AM
Thanks AK - I appreciate it!!

Please accept my congratulations as well, Puffy. The Lombardi was well earned. As long as you've waited for your team to come through, I think it's great that they did versus a team no one figured could possibly lose. I've often felt really lucky that all my favorite sports teams have won championships in my lifetime.

It's a great feeling.

Caveat Emperor
02-04-2008, 12:38 AM
Eli is one of the most unfairly maligned athletes in years in New York.

When you come into the league with a primadonna move like refusing to play for the team that drafts you, it's going to follow you around until you do something great to make a name for yourself.

Props to Eli. All the pressure in the world on him in this league (some created by him, some created by his last name, some created by the fans/media) and he delivers with a title.

I agree with Puffy, I think he's turned the corner.

Kc61
02-04-2008, 12:49 AM
When you come into the league with a primadonna move like refusing to play for the team that drafts you, it's going to follow you around until you do something great to make a name for yourself.

Props to Eli. All the pressure in the world on him in this league (some created by him, some created by his last name, some created by the fans/media) and he delivers with a title.

I agree with Puffy, I think he's turned the corner.

I would say he's turned the corner. Not too many quarterbacks drive a team to a winning touchdown with 2 minutes left in the Super Bowl, trailing to an undefeated team. I would agree that's turning the corner.

As a Giants fan I have been annoyed for four years with the media's treatment of Eli. Whatever happened with San Diego and the draft, the fact is that quarterbacks take time to develop. In the old days, a young quarterback wouldn't even get a chance to play -- at all -- for four years or so.

Anyway, he really showed me something in the playoffs this year. Not only his poise, but a terrific arm. You can't make these kinds of plays unless you can throw.

George Foster
02-04-2008, 12:51 AM
another good thing is that Randy Moss is still NOT a Super bowl Champion.:D:D

Chip R
02-04-2008, 12:53 AM
Congrats, Puffy!

pedro
02-04-2008, 12:56 AM
Hey Puffy!

I've already shouted out to all my other Giants fan friends (and I have a lot as I went to my jr and sr years of hs in nj in 1985-1986) so I didn't want to leave you out.

great win for the g-men

WMR
02-04-2008, 12:58 AM
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/cgormer/51PBEqYnFyL.jpg

WMR
02-04-2008, 01:00 AM
http://i32.tinypic.com/28kk0sp.jpg

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Dom Heffner
02-04-2008, 01:01 AM
Eli Manning was the 25th rated QB in football this year- 10 points lower than the league average.

Let's not get ahead of ourselves. He had a great run of 4 games, but his QB rating over the last 4 games of the regular season was slightly lower than his final season rating of 73.9.

73.9!!!

Four games is too small a sample size to say anything about turning a corner.

But look- enjoy the win, Puffy. I wasn't trying to hit Eli too hard, but these games seem to bring out the hyperbole in people.

Eli was in the bottom tier of QBs this year but he may improve, we'll have to see.

New England wasn't the best even if they had won and Eli isn't a super QB, IMHO.

And the '72 Dolphins aren't the best team ever, either.

George Anderson
02-04-2008, 01:02 AM
I thought Eli should have faked a kneel down and then threw it down field for another TD just to show the Pats what it feels like!!

Dom Heffner
02-04-2008, 01:05 AM
I would say he's turned the corner. Not too many quarterbacks drive a team to a winning touchdown with 2 minutes left in the Super Bowl, trailing to an undefeated team.

One could argue had Eli hit a wide open Burress earlier, he wouldn't have been trailing.

The late throw and catch were pretty lucky, and while that's what it takes to win football games (ask New England- they deserved to lose against Baltimore), if that's what we are using to say Eli has turned a corner, we're going to have some disappointed people.

WMR
02-04-2008, 01:05 AM
Books commemorating Patriots, Giants wins readied for pre-sale
January 29, 2008
BOSTON—Trying to get a jump on the Super Bowl market, an online bookseller has been touting books on wins for the New England Patriots and New York Giants, even before Sunday's championship game.

Amazon.com was offering advance sales of a book written by The Boston Globe sports staff, "19-0: The Historic Championship Season of New England's Unbeatable Patriots," for $14.95.

Also available for presale on Amazon.com was "New York Giants; 2008 Super Bowl Champions," by Sports Publishing Inc., for $10.17.

New England is only 18-0 going into the showdown with the Giants, who are 12-point underdogs.

The books were no longer listed late Tuesday.

The Globe issued a statement Tuesday saying it was "simply preparing for the possibility of a Patriots Super Bowl victory," much like the city of Boston is planning for a possible victory parade.

http://i.pbase.com/o4/98/583898/1/56693475.roflcopter.gif

Reds1
02-04-2008, 01:12 AM
I'm 36 and I've seen a lot of superbowls, but that had to be the best I've ever seen. Except for when my cowboys won, but as far as the game itself that was fantastic. All the talk of the Patriots and they go down. I just think it's great. That being said.
Play Ball - I'm soooo ready for baseball.

Puffy
02-04-2008, 01:13 AM
Please accept my congratulations as well, Puffy. The Lombardi was well earned. As long as you've waited for your team to come through, I think it's great that they did versus a team no one figured could possibly lose. I've often felt really lucky that all my favorite sports teams have won championships in my lifetime.

It's a great feeling.


Thanks Steel - I am still on cloud nine! Of course, the 15 beers I've had since 2 this afternoon have helped - but cloud nine!!

kaldaniels
02-04-2008, 01:18 AM
Eli Manning was the 25th rated QB in football this year- 10 points lower than the league average.

Let's not get ahead of ourselves. He had a great run of 4 games, but his QB rating over the last 4 games of the regular season was slightly lower than his final season rating of 73.9.

73.9!!!

Four games is too small a sample size to say anything about turning a corner.

But look- enjoy the win, Puffy. I wasn't trying to hit Eli too hard, but these games seem to bring out the hyperbole in people.

Eli was in the bottom tier of QBs this year but he may improve, we'll have to see.

New England wasn't the best even if they had won and Eli isn't a super QB, IMHO.

And the '72 Dolphins aren't the best team ever, either.

Not directly at you Dom...but if there had been a Redszone in October 1990, someone would be on there saying "Billy Hatcher is just an average player, whats all the fuss about"...its just not the time for a statement like such. No one was overly praising Eli before the "Eli is lousy" posts sprung up. In 2 weeks if someone wants to knock Eli I wouldn't even pay attention. No sense in going out of one's way to slam Eli tonight.

You hit it on the head though...this type of game brings out hyperbole.

Puffy
02-04-2008, 01:18 AM
Eli Manning was the 25th rated QB in football this year- 10 points lower than the league average.

Let's not get ahead of ourselves. He had a great run of 4 games, but his QB rating over the last 4 games of the regular season was slightly lower than his final season rating of 73.9.

73.9!!!

Four games is too small a sample size to say anything about turning a corner.

But look- enjoy the win, Puffy. I wasn't trying to hit Eli too hard, but these games seem to bring out the hyperbole in people.

Eli was in the bottom tier of QBs this year but he may improve, we'll have to see.

New England wasn't the best even if they had won and Eli isn't a super QB, IMHO.

And the '72 Dolphins aren't the best team ever, either.

Dom - don't get me wrong. I think Eli is average. He is/was/has been wildly inconsistent. As a Giants fan, maddenenly inconsistent. But he's never played five straight good games. Until now. In the playoffs and the Super Bowl. I'll say the chances of him "turning the corner" now outweigh him not "turning the corner" - thats all I'm saying.

Jack Burton
02-04-2008, 01:22 AM
Spectacular finish, way to stick it to those smug patriots.

That was a sweet cutoff hoody that belichump was sporting.

There was a play near the sideline on the last giants drive where the patriot defender had the ball go right off his hands. That sure would have changed most people's outlook on Eli.

I think he had a few good tosses and a few really ugly ones also, he had a nice scramble that was capped off by a downright amazing grab. He did get the job done today but I would continue to believe he's average at best.

kaldaniels
02-04-2008, 01:22 AM
One could argue had Eli hit a wide open Burress earlier, he wouldn't have been trailing.

The late throw and catch were pretty lucky, and while that's what it takes to win football games (ask New England- they deserved to lose against Baltimore), if that's what we are using to say Eli has turned a corner, we're going to have some disappointed people.

New England took their late lead on a fallen down CB. I'd say lady luck went both ways tonight. I would ask is there anyone out there who thinks the G-Men got outplayed overall...I certainly don't think so.

Also, I don't think people are praising Eli on this one game. More for the sum of his last 5 games...which have been pretty good I'd say.

Dom Heffner
02-04-2008, 01:27 AM
Geesh, listen to me.

1) Puffy, I could not be happier for you.
2) I could not be happier for the Patriots. They deserve everything they get the next couple of days. More so Bellichek, but the way they ran up the score on people and have dominated postseason play this feels great.
3) Eli played a great game as did the defense. We finally got to see what happens when Brady has pressure.

I nearly ran out in the street screaming, I did.

WMR
02-04-2008, 01:29 AM
The New York press (The Post etc.) are going to have a field day with this victory over the Pats for weeks to come.

kaldaniels
02-04-2008, 01:31 AM
The New York press (The Post etc.) are going to have a field day with this victory over the Pats for weeks to come.

So my question is, when will the "list" come out. What list you ask? The one that points out what Patriots stayed on the field and the ones that walked off with time still on the clock.

Revering4Blue
02-04-2008, 01:44 AM
This is priceless.



If he's going to lose, Bill Belichick would rather be elsewhere

By MJD

Sunday, Feb 3, 2008 11:12 pm EST

On more than one occasion this year, Bill Belichick and the Patriots have run up the score on an overmatched opponent, and forced an opposing coach to sit there and watch his beaten team go through the motions while their heineys were being handed to them.

But when the shoe's on the other foot, and Bill Belichick's team has been beaten, he can't sit there and take the pain for a few seconds.

With :02 left on the clock, and his team just having failed on a last chance 4th down effort, Bill Belichick ran onto the field for a quick handshake, and then bolted for the locker room. Belichick's an important guy and everything, but I wasn't aware that the league had given him the authority to decide when games end.

There's time left on the clock, his team's been humbled, outplayed, and lost their chance at history ... and Bill Belichick doesn't have the stomach to sit there and absorb the pain until the clock read 0:00.

That's unsportsmanlike at best, disrespectful at least, and at worst, it makes him a big sissy.

Because Bill Belichick wanted to go hide when he lost, the field ended up being flooded with people, and the officials had to clear the area before the Giants could take their final snap and make it official. When you lose, you take your loss. You don't leave early because it makes you feel sad inside. Your opponent deserves more respect than that.

Anyone remember in 2004 when Randy Moss left the sidelines with 2 seconds left in a Vikings vs. Redskins game? Moss was selfish, a baby, a quitter, didn't respect his teammates, and didn't respect the game. Belichick just did the same thing, but did it on the biggest possible stage, and did it from the position of a leader of men.

Maybe there's something to be said for the inability to lose well ... most great winners don't lose well, and a sore loser is still a loser.

But still, if you're an adult, you finish out the game, and you give your opponents the stage and the respect they deserve.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/nfl_experts/post/If-he-s-going-to-lose-Bill-Belichick-would-rath;_ylt=Au3LLuxMkwTmtg1d_ibXoL45nYcB?urn=nfl,649 71

Johnny Footstool
02-04-2008, 01:48 AM
Did you people watch the same final drive that I did?

Manning wasn't stepping into any of his throws. They were all floating high. Three, count 'em, three of his passes on that final drive went through the hands of Pats defenders. Three *easy* interceptions that weren't. Horrible lapses on the part of the defenders, but Manning gets credit for "maturing".

Granted, his avoidance of that sack was completely and utterly incredible -- the play of the year, maybe the best play in Super Bowl history -- but the pass still floated, and it took an incredible effort by Steve Smith to make the catch.

Manning's last two throws -- the rollout to Smith, and the TD to Burress -- were excellent. But it took sheer, blind, stupid luck for him to be in the position to win the game.

MWM
02-04-2008, 01:51 AM
I've got to hand it to Eli, I didn't think he had that final drive in him.

But David Tyree should win the MVP based on that catch alone. Wow! One of the best moments in SB history.

Kc61
02-04-2008, 01:56 AM
Dom - don't get me wrong. I think Eli is average. He is/was/has been wildly inconsistent. As a Giants fan, maddenenly inconsistent. But he's never played five straight good games. Until now. In the playoffs and the Super Bowl. I'll say the chances of him "turning the corner" now outweigh him not "turning the corner" - thats all I'm saying.

I'm a Giants fan as well and I don't think he's just average. Quarterbacks are remembered for these kinds of games. Elway, Montana, remembered for great drives in clutch situations. Very few quarterbacks ever turn in championship performances like this.

There is no other corner to turn. This was it.

Whether Eli will put up great numbers for a full career, who knows. But winning an NFL championship -- and directing key drives to do so -- is the most important thing. This playoff run will always be remembered by Giants fan as one of the best in its history.

This guy beat Dallas, reputedly the best NFC team, in Dallas, then Brett Favre in frozen Green Bay, and now the 18 and 0 Patriots with hundreds of millions watching. Nobody will ever think of Eli as average after this. I certainly won't.

kaldaniels
02-04-2008, 02:04 AM
Did you people watch the same final drive that I did?

Manning wasn't stepping into any of his throws. They were all floating high. Three, count 'em, three of his passes on that final drive went through the hands of Pats defenders. Three *easy* interceptions that weren't. Horrible lapses on the part of the defenders, but Manning gets credit for "maturing".

Granted, his avoidance of that sack was completely and utterly incredible -- the play of the year, maybe the best play in Super Bowl history -- but the pass still floated, and it took an incredible effort by Steve Smith to make the catch.

Manning's last two throws -- the rollout to Smith, and the TD to Burress -- were excellent. But it took sheer, blind, stupid luck for him to be in the position to win the game.

1) The ball Samuel about got appeared to be a blown route by Tyree.

2) The ball down near the Pats Endzone where Eli threw up a wobbler...it appeared he was jarred abit as he threw it and it would have been a spectacular over the shoulder INT by Gay. No where near an easy INT.

3) The ball Harrison about got was on Eli...but would have been a great INT...Harrison got his paws on it just at the height of his leap.

He's no Joe Montana...but he's not chopped liver either.

Reds Fan Chris
02-04-2008, 02:38 AM
I've been telling everyone where I live ever since the teams at the Super Bowl were announced that the Giants were going to win. I had a feeling all year the pats would be perfect until the SB.

The play where Eli barley slipped out of a sack and completed a first down pass. Was classic and will forever be remembered as the play that decided the game.

sonny
02-04-2008, 03:15 AM
The only thing that would have made that final drive better was some classic NFL films music.

fearofpopvol1
02-04-2008, 05:05 AM
I'm not a Giants fan at all as NY is not where I'm from, but I had to root for the G-Men here. Being from Indianapolis, there was just no way I could root for the Pats. Amazing Super Bowl. '89 was really good (even though I hated the outcome), but this one is tops. I'll admit I wasn't around for some of the earlier ones so I can't say I witnessed them.

Also, for those harping on Eli, I think it's too early to say. He certainly has not beeb stellar thus far, but week 17 to the present he's been brilliant (and the guy is pretty young all things considered). To play the Pats as well as they did in the regular season, then go to Tampa and win, go to Dallas and win and then the freezing cold in Green Bay and now the Superbowl against the 18-0 Pats?? I'd say he's turned a corner. I know it's the defense and the running game too, but c'mon. The guy has looked great when the games have mattered. I just think at the very least, Eli should get the benefit of the doubt until he proves otherwise. If he stinks up the place next year and just totally sucks, then that's a different story.

Caseyfan21
02-04-2008, 07:41 AM
I still say in true Bill Belicheck spirit the Giants should have gone for the endzone again when they got the ball back with :02 remaining. I'm sure if the tables were turned the Patriots would have tried to put another score on the board. Seeing the Giants score again as time expired would have been priceless.

NJReds
02-04-2008, 08:26 AM
I wouldn't say Eli necessarily deserved it, but the Giants pass rush certainly did. They did a phenomenal job of putting pressure on Brady against one of the best offensive lines in football. Good job, Giants defense.

I just meant that these two were media and fan punching bags for most of the season --and now they can celebrate.

Yachtzee
02-04-2008, 08:32 AM
I just meant that these two were media and fan punching bags for most of the season --and now they can celebrate.

Fair enough. But wow. That Giants pass rush was amazing. Not only did they put pressure on Brady, but they were often able to get to him on a straight four man rush. Four against five and they just pushed right through one of the best offensive lines in football to get to Brady. Amazing. I would give anything to see something like that for the Bengals. Unfortunately I don't think I ever will under the current regime. I don't think they put that much value in the defensive line.

Roy Tucker
02-04-2008, 09:16 AM
Great game, great finish.

I have to say, the Giants smacked the Patriots in the chops all game. And it does prove that if you put pressure on Brady, he performs like any other NFL QB.

Having said that, I really honestly thought after the Pats scored with ~3 minutes left, that was the ballgame. Their defense would raise up, Eli would screw up somehow, and the Giants would have a gallant loss.

But Manning proved me wrong and performed in the clutch, he performed a Houdini act escaping from the pass rush and Tyree made a fabulous catch, Samuel dropped a game-ending INT, and that was that.

Great ballgame, lots of fun to watch, and congratulations on a well-deserved and hard-earned victory to the Giants (and the Puffmeister).

WMR
02-04-2008, 09:27 AM
http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k198/UltraWarriorSFN/Imperfection.jpg

WMR
02-04-2008, 09:55 AM
On more than one occasion this year, Bill Belichick and the Patriots have run up the score on an overmatched opponent, and forced an opposing coach to sit there and watch his beaten team go through the motions while their heineys were being handed to them.

But when the shoe's on the other foot, and Bill Belichick's team has been beaten, he can't sit there and take the pain for a few seconds.

With :02 left on the clock, and his team just having failed on a last chance 4th down effort, Bill Belichick ran onto the field for a quick handshake, and then bolted for the locker room. Belichick's an important guy and everything, but I wasn't aware that the league had given him the authority to decide when games end.

There's time left on the clock, his team's been humbled, outplayed, and lost their chance at history ... and Bill Belichick doesn't have the stomach to sit there and absorb the pain until the clock read 0:00.

That's unsportsmanlike at best, disrespectful at least, and at worst, it makes him a big sissy.

Because Bill Belichick wanted to go hide when he lost, the field ended up being flooded with people, and the officials had to clear the area before the Giants could take their final snap and make it official. When you lose, you take your loss. You don't leave early because it makes you feel sad inside. Your opponent deserves more respect than that.

Anyone remember in 2004 when Randy Moss left the sidelines with 2 seconds left in a Vikings vs. Redskins game? Moss was selfish, a baby, a quitter, didn't respect his teammates, and didn't respect the game. Belichick just did the same thing, but did it on the biggest possible stage, and did it from the position of a leader of men.

Maybe there's something to be said for the inability to lose well ... most great winners don't lose well, and a sore loser is still a loser.

But still, if you're an adult, you finish out the game, and you give your opponents the stage and the respect they deserve.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/nfl_experts/post/If-he-s-going-to-lose-Bill-Belichick-would-rath?urn=nfl,64971

traderumor
02-04-2008, 10:03 AM
I picked up the game right as the third quarter was running out, which proved to be the absolute best time to start watching.

My favorite play of the game was the sack by big #93, the rookie who lifted Brady off the ground and put him on his back late in the game. That was so symbolic of the joy I find in the upset. I could care less about the Giants (in fact, I don't particularly like Eli for the way he circumvented the draft), but to see Brady body slammed on a clean hit and Bellicheat run off the field like the smarmy coward that he is, that was poetic justice to the nth degree.

WMR
02-04-2008, 10:05 AM
I picked up the game right as the third quarter was running out, which proved to be the absolute best time to start watching.

My favorite play of the game was the sack by big #93, the rookie who lifted Brady off the ground and put him on his back late in the game. That was so symbolic of the joy I find in the upset. I could care less about the Giants (in fact, I don't particularly like Eli for the way he circumvented the draft), but to see Brady body slammed on a clean hit and Bellicheat run off the field like the smarmy coward that he is, that was poetic justice to the nth degree.

:clap:

TeamMorris
02-04-2008, 10:29 AM
Great game!! Really enjoyed it this year. Commercials aren't what they use to be but still entertaining. I liked the baby ones. Pretty funny.

MWM
02-04-2008, 11:00 AM
the only downside to yesterday's game is that the '72 Dolphins are out in full force today. I wish they'd just go away.

traderumor
02-04-2008, 11:04 AM
the only downside to yesterday's game is that the '72 Dolphins are out in full force today. I wish they'd just go away.Don't you know? It's their prayers to Pete Rozelle that let the righteous continue to reign and saw to the smiting of the wicked ;)

WMR
02-04-2008, 11:08 AM
Mercury Morris: "PERFECTVILLE, POPULATION ONE."

LMAO

WMR
02-04-2008, 11:10 AM
Those old Dolphins always bugged the hell out of me too, but considering who it was that was kept from joining them as an unbeaten, along with the accompanying SB victory, I look at them now with more a sense of bemusement than anything else.

Mercury Morris actually grew on me quite a bit these past couple weeks. He should be a paid commentator.

traderumor
02-04-2008, 11:16 AM
Those old Dolphins always bugged the hell out of me too, but considering who it was that was kept from joining them as an unbeaten, along with the accompanying SB victory, I look at them now with more a sense of bemusement than anything else.

Mercury Morris actually grew on me quite a bit these past couple weeks. He should be a paid commentator.So, is he out of jail now? :evil:

westofyou
02-04-2008, 11:21 AM
http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/


One more tidbit from this Super Bowl — you’ll love this. A few minutes after the game ended, I got an email from a public relations firm. The headline was: “Patriots’ loss is win for children and families in need.”

You may ask: How could that be? Well, it turns out that some place called World Visions has received hundreds and hundreds of Patriots T-shirts, hats and stuff and they are sending those to families in need in Nicaragua, Romania and several other countries. This is a very kind thing to do, and I am not in any way shape or form trying to mock this charitable effort. But I have to say, I cannot help but smile thinking that there will be kids in Nicaragua walking around with “World Champion Patriots” T-shirts. It just seems right.

deltachi8
02-04-2008, 11:23 AM
Puffy - enjoy and don't come down from cloud nine any day soon - just because the 15 beers wear off does not mean the feeling has to.

Ltlabner
02-04-2008, 11:32 AM
I've got to hand it to Eli, I didn't think he had that final drive in him.

But David Tyree should win the MVP based on that catch alone. Wow! One of the best moments in SB history.

I'm not a football fan at all, but that play, with Manning somehow getting loose and Tyree catching the ball against his frickin helmet (and not losing it when hitting the ground) was absoultley amazing. Definatley a play that will be replayed about 10,000,000,000,000 more times (and deservedly so).

I have a fealing it will be talked about in the same vein as the Flute toss into the pileup in the end-zone to win the NC.

Yachtzee
02-04-2008, 11:42 AM
Mercury Morris: "PERFECTVILLE, POPULATION ONE."

LMAO

Wow, that's the same exact population as Jerkopolis. What a coincidence.

princeton
02-04-2008, 11:45 AM
1. tremendous front 4 play by the Giants. Don't they give collective MVPs out sometimes? If so, Giants front 4 was clear MVP. Pats O-linemen get so much ink for being "underrated" when, apparently, they are overrated.

2. Giants WR caught everything. The helmet catch was the best one that I've ever seen.

3. was Randy Moss really single-covered by Corey "Inactive" Webster all game?

4. Welker was awesome. He's so close to decapitation on every play, but just manages to duck. '72 Dolphins rock; '07 Dolphins had rocks in their heads

5. Old Man Feagles outpunted his counterpart, the Guy-With-The-Easiest-Job-in-the-NFL

6. Refereeing was terrific. Why such bad refereeing the rest of the year?

7. Eli plays better when he doesn't have to deal with the attitudes of Shockey, Tiki, or even Giants fans in general

8. Belichick always gives me sportmanship stuff to talk to my young players about.

RedsBaron
02-04-2008, 11:47 AM
the only downside to yesterday's game is that the '72 Dolphins are out in full force today. I wish they'd just go away.

That's the only reason I wanted New England to win.
I wish it was possible to send out the 1972 Dolphins, in their prime, to play either this year's Patriots or Giants team. Miami would be perfect no more.
Along obviously with the Giants, the 1972 Dolphins were big winners yesterday, and Tiki Barber was a big loser.

Dom Heffner
02-04-2008, 12:04 PM
I wish it was possible to send out the 1972 Dolphins, in their prime, to play either this year's Patriots or Giants team.

I think there are 100 teams they'd lose to.

They had the best season ever, which is different than being the best team. Why the Dolphins can't make that distinction is beyond me.

In regards to the Patriots having the best offense ever- you look at that weak schedule they played, and the fourth quarter TDs they scored while being up by a tremendous amount already, and I just want to smack some of these commentators.

And have I mentioned I've never been so happy to see a team lose?

macro
02-04-2008, 12:06 PM
I lifted this from another board. It's called "Crying Elvis", and is, of course, a parody of the "Flying Elvis" that adorns the Videographers' helmets. Note the asterisk in place of the star.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y1/crimson42200/APatriotsAstrix.png

BRM
02-04-2008, 12:23 PM
And have I mentioned I've never been so happy to see a team lose?

Same here. I'm not a Giants fan by any means but I'm thrilled to death they won yesterday.

princeton
02-04-2008, 12:26 PM
Same here. I'm not a Giants fan by any means but I'm thrilled to death they won yesterday.

first time that I've ever pulled for the local team, yet I don't even feel dirty

KoryMac5
02-04-2008, 12:28 PM
Welcome to Perfectville population 1, great commercial after the game.


http://www.rbk.com/us/perfectville/

IslandRed
02-04-2008, 12:51 PM
Wow, that's the same exact population as Jerkopolis. What a coincidence.

We must be living on different planets. As far as I'm concerned, Jerkopolis has a higher population density than Shanghai. :p:

blumj
02-04-2008, 01:02 PM
We must be living on different planets. As far as I'm concerned, Jerkopolis has a higher population density than Shanghai. :p:
I was waiting for that. Thanks.

Yachtzee
02-04-2008, 01:13 PM
We must be living on different planets. As far as I'm concerned, Jerkopolis has a higher population density than Shanghai. :p:

Actually, that's New Jerk City, which has a population of everybody who drives a car except me. ;)

flyer85
02-04-2008, 01:19 PM
Eli Manning's toddler-like antics on draft day paid off.Elway did the same thing, as have some others. Looks like being is New York was the right call.

SunDeck
02-04-2008, 01:50 PM
2. Giants WR caught everything. The helmet catch was the best one that I've ever seen.


That catch was right up there with this one.

http://www.prosportsmemorabilia.com/Images/Product/33-54/33-54847-P.jpg

Possibly better, since it may have been the most important offensive play of the game.

SunDeck
02-04-2008, 01:52 PM
The only thing that would have made that final drive better was some classic NFL films music.

And narrated by John "The Voice" Facenda, of course.

princeton
02-04-2008, 01:56 PM
Possibly better.


definitely better

WVRed
02-04-2008, 02:04 PM
Only better storyline would have been the Chargers playing instead of the Patriots.

Eli Manning vs Phillip Rivers.

NJReds
02-04-2008, 02:53 PM
One thing I'd like to see is the elimination of the extra week between the playoffs and the Super Bowl.

Reds/Flyers Fan
02-04-2008, 03:47 PM
I haven't enjoyed seeing a team and its fans lose this much since OSU beat Xavier in OT last year in the second round of the NCAA tournament.

Reading the Boston-area newspapers today about how Pats fans are beside themselves in grief is too fun. Boston's 2004 and 2007 World Series wins and the 3 Patriots Super Bowl wins, and now the Celtics march to a championship, is enough. Enough to make someone actually root for New York!

BTW, if anyone is interested in seeing how the game played in the rest of the country/world, check out www.newseum.org and click on today's front pages

blumj
02-04-2008, 04:05 PM
I haven't enjoyed seeing a team and its fans lose this much since OSU beat Xavier in OT last year in the second round of the NCAA tournament.

Reading the Boston-area newspapers today about how Pats fans are beside themselves in grief is too fun. Boston's 2004 and 2007 World Series wins and the 3 Patriots Super Bowl wins, and now the Celtics march to a championship, is enough. Enough to make someone actually root for New York!

BTW, if anyone is interested in seeing how the game played in the rest of the country/world, check out www.newseum.org and click on today's front pages
We NE fans have been badly spoiled recently, almost absurdly so. I hope you get to know what that's like some day.

Reds/Flyers Fan
02-04-2008, 04:14 PM
We NE fans have been badly spoiled recently, almost absurdly so. I hope you get to know what that's like some day.

Not likely. Fans of pro sports teams not in Boston, New York, Chicago or L.A. have to scrounge for what's left after the money teams have their say.

Just wondering, is there any magic left in being a Red $ox fan?

blumj
02-04-2008, 04:23 PM
Not likely. Fans of pro sports teams not in Boston, New York, Chicago or L.A. have to scrounge for what's left after the money teams have their say.

Just wondering, is there any magic left in being a Red $ox fan?
You really think there was some sort of magic in conceding 1st place to the NYY$ every year before the season even started? I didn't.

Reds/Flyers Fan
02-04-2008, 04:28 PM
You really think there was some sort of magic in conceding 1st place to the NYY$ every year before the season even started? I didn't.

I'm not defending the Yankees. But when only teams like the $ox, Yank$ and Met$ have a chance at players like Santana, I'd go ahead and slap an asterisk by every championship won by the moneybags until the playing field is level again.

It's disappointing that real magical teams, like the 2007 Rockies, get squashed like insects when they run into the power teams.

MWM
02-04-2008, 05:26 PM
princeton has a good point. I think it gets a little old that, with very few exceptions, an offensive player wins the MVP. The exception I can think of was Ray Lewis for Baltimore, which was kind of a joke, but he won because he was the most recognizable player on that team.

The MVP for the Giants was the defense, so if an individual didn't stand out enough, it should have gone to a group, such as the front 4. Afterall, with less than 3 minutes left in the game, the offense had scored only 10 points.

And while I think Eli deserves some credit, after watching the highlights again, I have to agree with those who have said he had a lot of luck in that drive as well. It wasn't Elway or Montana brilliantly picking apart a defense. He had a couple of balls that could easily have been INTs fall luckily to the ground. And then he pulled a couple of 3rd downs out of his rear. It was a nice drive, but it wasn't brilliant quarterbacking. I say this not to take away from Eli, but more in rejectin the idea that he was the Mvp.

MWM
02-04-2008, 05:27 PM
And I have a feeling this is goin to mean more Peyton and Eli commercials than we already have. I might just have to not turn on the TV for the next year.

RedsBaron
02-04-2008, 05:37 PM
princeton has a good point. I think it gets a little old that, with very few exceptions, an offensive player wins the MVP. The exception I can think of was Ray Lewis for Baltimore, which was kind of a joke, but he won because he was the most recognizable player on that team.

The MVP for the Giants was the defense, so if an individual didn't stand out enough, it should have gone to a group, such as the front 4. Afterall, with less than 3 minutes left in the game, the offense had scored only 10 points.

Defensive linemen Harvey Martin and Randy White shared the MVP award in 1978 when Dallas clobbered Denver, 27-10.
That precedent could have been followed this time, with the MVP award being shared by several of New York's linemen.

TeamBoone
02-04-2008, 06:18 PM
princeton has a good point. I think it gets a little old that, with very few exceptions, an offensive player wins the MVP. The exception I can think of was Ray Lewis for Baltimore, which was kind of a joke, but he won because he was the most recognizable player on that team.

The MVP for the Giants was the defense, so if an individual didn't stand out enough, it should have gone to a group, such as the front 4. Afterall, with less than 3 minutes left in the game, the offense had scored only 10 points.

And while I think Eli deserves some credit, after watching the highlights again, I have to agree with those who have said he had a lot of luck in that drive as well. It wasn't Elway or Montana brilliantly picking apart a defense. He had a couple of balls that could easily have been INTs fall luckily to the ground. And then he pulled a couple of 3rd downs out of his rear. It was a nice drive, but it wasn't brilliant quarterbacking. I say this not to take away from Eli, but more in rejectin the idea that he was the Mvp.

Actually, I think they should do away with the MVP.... it's a team sport after all, and the Giants clearly showed why last night. No one person can do it all.

Congrats to the Giants. It's the most excited I've been during a SB game in a long, long time. As an ex-New Yorker, way back when, the Giants used to be my favorite team... until the infamous game between them and the Bills. I loved both teams and cried when Buffalo lost, which is when I deemed myself a bigger Bills fan. I don't know, I still don't. Truly, I loved them both.

I AM THRILLED!!!!!

traderumor
02-04-2008, 07:33 PM
Elway did the same thing, as have some others. Looks like being is New York was the right call.Yea, it may be the right call for them, but it is counterproductive for the purpose of the draft.

WMR
02-04-2008, 07:48 PM
Funny: The NFL is donating all of the "Patriot Super Bowl Champion" clothing to some sort of "clothe Africa" campaign...

I *REALLY* want to see a group photo of an African tribe adorned in "Patriot Super Bowl Champion" paraphernalia. :laugh:

GAC
02-05-2008, 09:25 PM
You know, in spite of this, I still think he's a lousy quarterback. But I am ever so happy for him and the Giants. Luck had to catch up to the Patriots eventually.

I want to emphasis "luck" and "catch". ;)

While I tend to agree on Eli, I give him a lot of credit on that last, defining drive. But to those who may believe in fate, destiny, or karma, then that 33 yd pass to Tyree, which was nothing short of a last gasp pass of desperation, fits the bill. The guy caught a total of 2 catches all year? He's completely surrounded by Patriot defenders, catches it against his helmet, holds it there, and then pulls it in. Don't know if that was Tyree's hand or God's. ;)

The Giants defense was simply superb. They were the MVP of that game IMHO.