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Roy Tucker
02-14-2008, 12:51 PM
Thought this was of interest...

http://www.ajc.com/gatech/content/sports/stories/2008/02/13/ncaaburst_0213.html



NCAA extends play clock
Pace of play addressed again by rules committee

By TONY BARNHART
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 02/13/08

Two years ago the NCAA Football Rules committee, concerned that games were running too long, put in a series of changes in hopes of speeding things up.

They worked. In 2006 the average game time dropped from 3:21 to 3:07 but fans and coaches howled because there were about 13 fewer plays and five fewer points per game than in 2005.

So last season college football went back to the old rules and the bad news is that games averaged 3:22, a minute longer than in 2005. The good news is that plays and scoring also went back to the desired 2005 levels.

In an attempt to produce more plays and points in a shorter game, the rules committee went back to the drawing board and on Wednesday recommended a few changes for the upcoming season.

"Hopefully this time we got it right," said Michael Clark, the chairman of the rules committee and head coach at Bridgewater (Va.) College.

The first is the implementation of a 40/25-second play clock, similar to that of the NFL. At the end of every play, the 40-second clock will start, which is the rule in the NFL. The old college rules featured a 25-second clock that did not start until the officials marked the ball ready for play. On a change of possession, the first play will be run on a 25-second clock.

A number of college coaches have said they wanted the 40-second play clock because officials from league to league used different amounts of time to mark the ball ready for play.

"We think this will give us some consistency when it comes to pace of play," said Connecticut coach Randy Edsall, who is a member of the rules committee.

"If the NFL boys are doing it we seem to want to do it, too," South Carolina coach Steve Spurrier said. "I think it favors the teams that run the no-huddle. That gives the quarterback a bunch more time to stand up there and read the defense."

The rules committee made another recommendation that will certainly shorten the game.

After a player runs out of bounds and the ball is made ready to play, the official will start the game clock. Under the old rules the game clock would not start until the ball was snapped. This new rule will not apply in the final two minutes of the first half and the final two minutes of the game.

In other recommended rules changes announced Tuesday:

A coach will get an extra instant replay challenge if his first one is upheld. Under the old rule the coach had only one challenge whether he was right or wrong. Under the new rule the coach, if he's right, will get one extra challenge, but no more.

If a kickoff goes out of bounds, the receiving team will have the option of taking the ball on its own 40-yard line. The previous rule gave the receiving team the ball on the 35-yard line.

The incidental five-yard facemask penalty will be eliminated. Only the 15-yard facemask penalties will be called.

A "horse collar" tackle, where the defender grabs inside the back collar of the shoulder pads to pull the runner down, will now be a personal foul.

There will no longer be sideline warnings for players and coaches who crowd onto the field during the game. The official may assess a five-yard penalty without a warning for the infraction.

The recommendations must still be reviewed and given final approval by the NCAA's Playing Rules Oversight Panel, which meets in April.

*BaseClogger*
02-14-2008, 04:07 PM
I hate outlawing the horse collar tackle. Is this a contact sport? I know its dangerous, but so is getting tackled by 300 pound lineman-football is inherently dangerous...

bucksfan2
02-14-2008, 04:10 PM
I hate outlawing the horse collar tackle. Is this a contact sport? I know its dangerous, but so is getting tackled by 300 pound lineman-football is inherently dangerous...

To play devils advocate should every tackle be legal such as the face mask tackle?

*BaseClogger*
02-14-2008, 04:12 PM
To play devils advocate should every tackle be legal such as the face mask tackle?

:stumped:

dabvu2498
02-14-2008, 04:14 PM
To play devils advocate should every tackle be legal such as the face mask tackle?

I'm wondering about the facemask call as well. Will "incidental grasping" of the facemask no longer be a penalty or will it be the 15 yarder now as well. Either way, I don't think I like the change.

The rest... ehh... I think the 40 second clock will shorten games, but make them lower scoring as well.

Unassisted
02-14-2008, 04:17 PM
A coach will get an extra instant replay challenge if his first one is upheld. Under the old rule the coach had only one challenge whether he was right or wrong. Under the new rule the coach, if he's right, will get one extra challenge, but no more.I like this idea. Hopefully it will be a rare thing that two challenges are upheld in the same half.

*BaseClogger*
02-14-2008, 04:20 PM
If a kickoff goes out of bounds, the receiving team will have the option of taking the ball on its own 40-yard line. The previous rule gave the receiving team the ball on the 35-yard line.

this is a good idea too in the continuing fight to discourage teams from kicking away from return men

durl
02-14-2008, 04:38 PM
I don't like the face-mask change. I believe incidental 5-yard penalties should be an option.

bucksfan2
02-14-2008, 04:40 PM
I like this idea. Hopefully it will be a rare thing that two challenges are upheld in the same half.

I really like the college instant replay system. I like it because all the calls come from the booth and the ultimate decision comes from someone who is not officiating the game. I always wonder if it ever sneaks into the back of an NFL official's head about protecting the call his fellow official made. I doubt its blatant but I would think that it has a little inkling when a call is not reversed.

Unassisted
02-14-2008, 05:01 PM
I don't like the face-mask change. I believe incidental 5-yard penalties should be an option.My reading of the change is that incidental face-mask contact will no longer be a penalty, which makes sense. If it actually means that any face-mask contact = automatic 15-yarder, than I'm right with you.

ochre
02-14-2008, 07:12 PM
To play devils advocate should every tackle be legal such as the face mask tackle?
To play devils devils advocate, did they wear shirts in the nascent days of football?

Unless the wear of shirts is an "add-on" like facemasks (and to some degree helmets even), I see no reason to change the rules regarding collar tackles now.

Why stop there? Tackling at the knees tends to lead to more knee injuries. Tackling high tends to lead to more head, neck, and spine injuries. Let's just require the tackler to run alongside the ball carrier and grab them gently at the waist while applying negative acceleration until they both near zero velocity. At that point the tackler could ask, kindly of course, for the ball carrier to take a knee. Should he refuse, the tackler must then drag him to the nearest sidelines and force him out of bounds, lest anyone risk the injury of colliding with the ground. I bet it would speed up the game too.

ochre
02-14-2008, 07:15 PM
My reading of the change is that incidental face-mask contact will no longer be a penalty, which makes sense. If it actually means that any face-mask contact = automatic 15-yarder, than I'm right with you.
great. More subjectivity. Like the refs were particularly proficient with fewer decisions to make.

The good thing about having the five yarder there, was even if you (as a fan) don't think it was a minor infraction, at least the team using the facemask didn't get full benefit from it. Now it's going to be up to the refs. I'm guessing there will be games when similar "infractions" are not called equally between the respective participants.

Redhook
02-14-2008, 07:22 PM
Why does the clock stop on first downs to move the chains? It's ridiculous. That should be eliminated.

Ravenlord
02-14-2008, 07:38 PM
Why does the clock stop on first downs to move the chains? It's ridiculous. That should be eliminated.
i actually like that rule and would like it in the NFL too.

ochre
02-14-2008, 07:41 PM
i actually like that rule and would like it in the NFL too.
Same here. Particularly in the last 5 minutes or so of each half.

acredsfan
02-14-2008, 10:08 PM
To play devils devils advocate, did they wear shirts in the nascent days of football?

Unless the wear of shirts is an "add-on" like facemasks (and to some degree helmets even), I see no reason to change the rules regarding collar tackles now.

Why stop there? Tackling at the knees tends to lead to more knee injuries. Tackling high tends to lead to more head, neck, and spine injuries. Let's just require the tackler to run alongside the ball carrier and grab them gently at the waist while applying negative acceleration until they both near zero velocity. At that point the tackler could ask, kindly of course, for the ball carrier to take a knee. Should he refuse, the tackler must then drag him to the nearest sidelines and force him out of bounds, lest anyone risk the injury of colliding with the ground. I bet it would speed up the game too. Grabbing someone by the collar is inherently more dangerous than any of the others. Helmet to helmet contact is illegal. Knee injuries aren't deadly, but head and neck injuries are, so whatever can be done to eliminate that is a plus. Yeah, some might not like that it takes away some of the toughness aspect, but lets not blow it out of proportion. It's a contact sport, but it's not a blood sport.

MaineRed
02-14-2008, 10:24 PM
In other recommended rules changes announced Tuesday:

A coach will get an extra instant replay challenge if his first one is upheld. Under the old rule the coach had only one challenge whether he was right or wrong. Under the new rule the coach, if he's right, will get one extra challenge, but no more.

If a kickoff goes out of bounds, the receiving team will have the option of taking the ball on its own 40-yard line. The previous rule gave the receiving team the ball on the 35-yard line.

The incidental five-yard facemask penalty will be eliminated. Only the 15-yard facemask penalties will be called.

A "horse collar" tackle, where the defender grabs inside the back collar of the shoulder pads to pull the runner down, will now be a personal foul.

Any Big Ten team will hereby be spotted 14 points in any future national championship game against a team from the SEC.

There will no longer be sideline warnings for players and coaches who crowd onto the field during the game. The official may assess a five-yard penalty without a warning for the infraction.

The recommendations must still be reviewed and given final approval by the NCAA's Playing Rules Oversight Panel, which meets in April.

These all look good to me.

Chip R
02-15-2008, 10:19 AM
These all look good to me.
Any Big Ten team will hereby be spotted 14 points in any future national championship game against a team from the SEC.




You owe me a new monitor.

bucksfan2
02-15-2008, 10:22 AM
These all look good to me.

MaineRed where you been lately? I missed these kind of comments.

WMR
02-15-2008, 10:24 AM
MaineRed where you been lately? I missed these kind of comments.

SEC Roadshow Tour.

dabvu2498
02-15-2008, 10:52 AM
SEC Roadshow Tour.

Nah. we would have been there for that.

It was the Payton Manning/Eli Manning-Only-SEC-Quarterbacks-Can-Win-the-Super-Bowl Tour.

WMR
02-15-2008, 10:54 AM
Nah. we would have been there for that.

It was the Payton Manning/Eli Manning-Only-SEC-Quarterbacks-Can-Win-the-Super-Bowl Tour.

Hehe ... someone has to keep these Big Ten fans in line ...

MaineRed seems to relish the job. :lol:

ochre
02-15-2008, 01:49 PM
Grabbing someone by the collar is inherently more dangerous than any of the others. Helmet to helmet contact is illegal. Knee injuries aren't deadly, but head and neck injuries are, so whatever can be done to eliminate that is a plus. Yeah, some might not like that it takes away some of the toughness aspect, but lets not blow it out of proportion. It's a contact sport, but it's not a blood sport.
Horse Collar tackles are not a direct head and/or neck injury cause. They tend to tear up legs. It is pretty much a rule being imposed because Roy Williams broke 3 different player's legs tackling them by the collar in '04.

Cleats getting stuck in the turf have caused more severe/frequent leg injuries, so lets propose they play barefoot too.

Helmet to Helmet contact is at best subjectively illegal. There isn't much consistency with how it is called, even from the same team of officials within the same game.

RedsManRick
02-15-2008, 07:51 PM
I hate outlawing the horse collar tackle. Is this a contact sport? I know its dangerous, but so is getting tackled by 300 pound lineman-football is inherently dangerous...

Certain types of tackles are significantly more likely to cause bodily injury -- thus they are outlawed. You can't tackle by the face-mask. You can't spear a player with your helmet. You can't tackle somebody below the waist while they are engaged with a blocker. You can't tackle somebody from behind when they don't have the ball. These rules are there to keep the game running without the participants getting maimed. I think horse-collar tackles belong in this group.

Sea Ray
02-16-2008, 11:58 AM
Helmet to Helmet contact is at best subjectively illegal. There isn't much consistency with how it is called, even from the same team of officials within the same game.

Helmet to helmet contact is not illegal. It happens on almost every play at the line of scrimmage and that's why they wear helmets. As for tackling the ballcarrier can duck his head at the last second so the oncoming defender 's helmet contacts his. I hope this practice isn't rewarded with a 15 yd penalty.

I'm fine with the 40s clock but I hope they reject the clock starts on out of bounds plays. This rule is only in place to shorten the game. If you want to shorten the game don't change the rules based on how many minutes are left in the half. Just shorten the 15 minute periods, however I like the 3:30 hr college games. Why would I want fewer plays in a product I enjoy? That's like a chocolate lover saying they'd like Hershey to shrink their candy bars. :confused: