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WMR
02-18-2008, 04:18 PM
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/579213/how_duke_university_is_hurting_college.html

WMR
02-18-2008, 04:20 PM
Make sure you check out the linked youtube clips. High comedy.

durl
02-18-2008, 05:03 PM
I typically avoid Duke basketball games at all costs but I did catch a few minutes of a game earlier this season and there were times when Duke's opponents were charged with fouls that I didn't agree with. I was hoping to see replays on those calls, but I didn't see one replay of those close calls while I was watching. I figured that was because the game was on ESPN and they wouldn't show Duke in a bad light.

klw
02-19-2008, 05:07 PM
Odds that the author attended a university with the word "Chapel" in its title: 88%

reds2221
02-24-2008, 08:52 AM
Odds that the author attended a university with the word "Chapel" in its title: 88%

yea......and if not there, then the name probably has the word "state" or "forest" in it....

MWM
02-24-2008, 11:59 AM
While, I don't know about the whole "ruining college basketball" hyperbole, I did go watch the youube clips of the Clemson game, and WOW is all I can say. By watching these clips, it's obvious that it's real part of what the players at Duke are taught. You don't do it that often looking consistently the same unless you're taught. the flops they make on offense are the wrost ones.

Here's a link.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeuuS2HiYEM

Razor Shines
02-24-2008, 01:54 PM
This is so stupid. If you guys don't think that every other coach in the country at almost every level teaches their kids the same thing then you're kidding yourselves. There just aren't youtube clips created about any other team, because most other teams aren't hated as much as Duke. Watch the Duke - Wake Forrest game from last week, Kyle Singler fouled out when the Wake player obviously flopped. Everyone's taught to do it, Duke may spend more time on it or their players may take to it better, but everyone is taught it.

At every level I played basketball I was taught how to "sell" a charge. I remember having practices where we spent 45 mins on just lining up one at a time and taking a charge, including the stupid "AHHHHH!" sound you're supposed to make as you fall down.

cincrazy
02-24-2008, 06:04 PM
I respect Duke, I think things get taken to a ridiculous level with them. When you have tons of success and you're a great program, things like this will happen. It's why the Yankees are hated, the Buckeyes are hated, Notre Dame is hated, etc. etc. etc. Success generates hatred, sadly enough.

traderumor
02-24-2008, 06:10 PM
The officials used to have the option of calling a technical foul if it was clear that a team was flopping without contact. I actually saw it called in a high school game once on a team that was known for its flops.

WMR
02-24-2008, 06:20 PM
If I'm not mistaken, it still IS a rule in the NCAA, tr, it's just never called, unfortunately.

Razor Shines
02-24-2008, 06:30 PM
If I'm not mistaken, it still IS a rule in the NCAA, tr, it's just never called, unfortunately.

I wouldn't have a problem if the referees decided to start cracking down on it. I just think it's silly to think that it is a Duke specific problem.

And I hardly think it's ruining college basketball (the article only said "hurting" BTW). And the first sentence of the article is just as ridiculous as saying that Duke is ruining college basketball.

Does anyone remember the good old days when college basketball was a wonderful spectator sport?

College basketball is still a pretty wonderful spectator sport, IMO.

Chip R
02-24-2008, 07:40 PM
College basketball is still a pretty wonderful spectator sport, IMO.


Agreed. I saw a couple of wonderful games yesterday with Butler and Drake and Tennessee and Memphis.

As for Duke, if you really believe they are ruining college basketball, ask yourself when was the last time they won the NCAA title and when was the last time they have been to a Final Four.

15fan
02-24-2008, 08:41 PM
I find this (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/stewart_mandel/02/21/duke/index.html) article by Stewart Mandel to be a far better read regarding Duke.

harangatang
02-24-2008, 10:07 PM
I remember a very undersized Indiana Hoosiers team in 2002 beat Duke on their road to the championship game. While that game could've been spoiled by a foul called at the end of the game by the Hoosiers, there was a huge upset.

Razor Shines
02-24-2008, 11:32 PM
I remember a very undersized Indiana Hoosiers team in 2002 beat Duke on their road to the championship game. While that game could've been spoiled by a foul called at the end of the game by the Hoosiers, there was a huge upset.

What a great game that was. As a Hoosier fan (and at the time I wasn't yet a fan of Duke) I remember being so pissed at Dane Fife. I didn't understand why he didn't just let him shoot.

harangatang
02-25-2008, 12:10 AM
What a great game that was. As a Hoosier fan (and at the time I wasn't yet a fan of Duke) I remember being so pissed at Dane Fife. I didn't understand why he didn't just let him shoot.I forgot who made that ridiculous play and I remember Mike Davis screaming at the top of his lungs. Of all the players I think my favorite was George Leech. He was probably the most unathletic player ever but Indiana was pretty much forced to start him due to being undersized (and Leech was tall).

bucksfan2
02-25-2008, 08:34 AM
I watched about 10 minutes of the Duke St Johns game and it was the same old story. Every college basketball game is played physical. 90% of the games it seems like all the players are able to stay on their feet during a defensive series. Every duke defensive series ends up with someone on the ground. It is a true shame that the players that duke recruits are so uncordinated that they can't even stand on their feet for long periods of time.

BRM
02-25-2008, 09:00 AM
College basketball is still a pretty wonderful spectator sport, IMO.

No doubt. There have been some great games this season IMO. I'm not a fan of either team but Saturday night's Tennessee/Memphis game was a tremendous one to see.

Razor Shines
02-25-2008, 05:48 PM
I watched about 10 minutes of the Duke St Johns game and it was the same old story. Every college basketball game is played physical. 90% of the games it seems like all the players are able to stay on their feet during a defensive series. Every duke defensive series ends up with someone on the ground. It is a true shame that the players that duke recruits are so uncordinated that they can't even stand on their feet for long periods of time.

Every series? Oh my gosh, I need to play closer attention.

halcyon
02-25-2008, 11:02 PM
This time of year I'm always surprised by the level of vitriol people direct towards Duke. The hatred influences the opinions of so many intelligent folks.

And for the record, I hate what has happened to basketball with regards to fouls (charges, specifically). It's up to the officials to call the game the way its supposed to be called (and they do a poor job across the board). Labeling Duke as the worst offender, the leader of the pack, or whatever is just viewing the games with preconceived notions and biased opinions, IMO. If Duke takes advantage of the way the officials call the games...well so does UK/UT/OSU/Mich/UNC and every single team I've ever seen or played on.