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TheBigLebowski
02-25-2008, 01:58 PM
Which would you rather have had?

We got Fogg at a very affordable 1 mil for one year. Fogg is durable but his upside is..well..let's just say he is what he is.

BoSox signed Colon to a minor league deal and he stands to make a little more than 1 mil should he make the club.

To me, Colon has much better stuff and has the potential to be a VERY good #2 or #3 should he stay healthy, which I do acknowledge is unlikely.

Josh Fogg is durable, as I said, but you know you're not getting much more than an average #4/#5 starter.

Personally, I'd have rather taken a flier on Colon and used a young 'un in his place should he fail to make the team or go down with an injury, although I do want to reiterate that I DO think the Fogg signing was a good one.

Bip Roberts
02-25-2008, 02:02 PM
Colon threw like 20 innings in the winter league and from reports had neck and shoulder/elbow injuries and discomfort if i recall. His stuff is no where what it used to be. I really doubt Colon throws another MLB pitch.

Newman4
02-25-2008, 02:12 PM
Colon used to have better stuff. I don't know if he still does or not. Depends on his health really. Of course, he's never been one to stay in tip-top shape.

Degenerate39
02-25-2008, 02:20 PM
I've always like Bartolo alot but I'm pretty sure that he's done for good now. I'd have to take Josh Fogg but if Bartolo has a good year in the Sox minor league then I'd have to set up a trade for him on July 31. The Red Sox don't really need him they're pretty stacked in the pitching department so I'd trade a Double A prospect for him at most. If you can't get a trade done then try to get him in the offseason. I'd love to have a healthy Bartolo Colon on the Reds but I really don't see him getting healthy for a whole season.

AdamDunn
02-25-2008, 02:47 PM
I agree with you. While one million isn't a lot, it's still something and takes away development time for our prospects who have nothing to prove in the minors (like Bailey and Volquez)

Va Red Fan
02-25-2008, 05:06 PM
I think that it would be best to let Cueto and Bailey for sure and possibly Volquez begin in Louisville and see how things shake out. Since it looks like Colon is washed up, I would surely take Fogg over him. He is not nearly as bad as some are claiming.

CRedsLarkin11
02-25-2008, 06:26 PM
He is not nearly as bad as some are claiming.


:eek: WHAT!?!?!

;) I agree

AmarilloRed
02-25-2008, 06:37 PM
Reports were coming out that he could not hit 90 mph in winter ball. If true, that explains why he didn't receive a 2 year deal.

Oxilon
02-25-2008, 07:49 PM
I agree with you. While one million isn't a lot, it's still something and takes away development time for our prospects who have nothing to prove in the minors (like Bailey and Volquez)

Strongly disagree. Bailey still needs to improve his control on his changeup and as well as his curve. He definitely has talent, but to say he has nothing to prove in the minors is wrong. Volquez, I can agree with you on, but it's looking like he'll make the rotation out of spring training regardless of Fogg or not.

I'm seeing the rotation out of ST as
1) Harang
2) Arroyo
3) Belisle
4) Volquez
5) Fogg
With Affleldt in the pen, and Bailey and Cueto starting out the season in Louisville.

AdamDunn
02-25-2008, 08:28 PM
Strongly disagree. Bailey still needs to improve his control on his changeup and as well as his curve. He definitely has talent, but to say he has nothing to prove in the minors is wrong. Volquez, I can agree with you on, but it's looking like he'll make the rotation out of spring training regardless of Fogg or not.

I'm seeing the rotation out of ST as
1) Harang
2) Arroyo
3) Belisle
4) Volquez
5) Fogg
With Affleldt in the pen, and Bailey and Cueto starting out the season in Louisville.

Bailey may need to improve his control, but that doesn't mean he's going to do that in the minors. He clearly has the stuff to make it in the majors right now, even if that's the number four or five slot. I'd hate to see his confidence get shot by sending him up and down.

This is what I think will happen
1) Harang
2) Arroyo
3) Belisle
4) Affeldt
5) Fogg

Remember, this is Dusty and Dusty doesn't like young guys.

Redleg39
02-25-2008, 10:27 PM
The bottom line for me is that we were looking for a possible five starter in the rotation. Colon is going to at most be a middle to long reliever with the occasional spot start. Fogg was the best choice.

wlf WV
02-26-2008, 01:11 PM
For the money,if we could get Colon,I would have both.

Bip Roberts
02-26-2008, 03:39 PM
Id like to add this which I just picked up from MLBTR


TUESDAY: The Boston Herald has the contract details. Colon gets $1.25MM if he's in the bigs, and the deal can reach $7MM if he makes 30 starts.

Newman4
02-26-2008, 04:20 PM
Strongly disagree. Bailey still needs to improve his control on his changeup and as well as his curve.

Definitely. Those two pitches are what determines if he becomes an ace or not. A season of working on them at AAA would help in the long run.

reds2221
02-27-2008, 08:24 AM
Definitely. Those two pitches are what determines if he becomes an ace or not. A season of working on them at AAA would help in the long run.

exactly, waiting a year to help develop is so much better in the long run than rushing him out there and watching him struggle.

Oxilon
02-27-2008, 03:16 PM
Bailey may need to improve his control, but that doesn't mean he's going to do that in the minors. He clearly has the stuff to make it in the majors right now, even if that's the number four or five slot. I'd hate to see his confidence get shot by sending him up and down.

This is what I think will happen
1) Harang
2) Arroyo
3) Belisle
4) Affeldt
5) Fogg

Remember, this is Dusty and Dusty doesn't like young guys.

What do you think will hurt his confidence more? Starting the season at AAA, still improving but performing well, or starting the season in the majors and getting rocked, then demoted? I really wouldn't chose the latter.