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camisadelgolf
02-27-2008, 06:49 AM
This is all speculation, as I haven't seen anything officially posted from the Reds nor their affiliates, but this is how I see the organizational rosters shaping out for 2008:


MLB AAA AA A+ A Rk GCL
C Dave Ross Paul Bako Craig Tatum Anthony Esquer Devin Mesoraco Jordan Wideman Frank Meade
1B Joey Votto Andy Phillips Tonys Gutierrez Logan Parker Mike McKennon Eli Rimes
2B Brandon Phillips Andy Green Chris Valaika Justin Turner Neftali Soto Jose Gualdron Jake Kahaulelio
3B Edwin Encarnacion Adam Rosales Michael Griffin Juan Francisco Brandon Waring Carlos Mendez Jamie Gianchou
SS Alex Gonzalez Paul Janish Jose Castro Zach Cozart Yen-Wen Kuo Angel Cabrera Mariekson Gregorius
LF Adam Dunn Drew T. Anderson Danny Dorn Chris Heisey Todd Frazier Tony Brown Donald Lutz
CF Ryan Freel Chris Dickerson Sean Henry Drew Stubbs Brandon Menchaca Michael Jones Angel Logrono
RF Ken Griffey, Jr. Jay Bruce Shaun Cumberland Denis Phipps Justin Reed Brett Bartles Jose Victor
C Javier Valentin Ryan Hanigan Chris Kroski Eddy Rodriguez Jake Long Jason Bour Petr Cech
C Alvin Colina Chris Denove Todd Waller Mauro Schiavoni
1B Scott Hatteberg Kevin Barker Jason Louwsma
2B Jeff Keppinger Luis Bolivar Michael DeJesus Wayne Kendrick
3B Bryan Bass Eric Eymann Ryan Baker Brodie Pullen
SS Justin Tordi Kevyn Feiner Radhames Moreta
IF Juan Castro Jolbert Cabrera Jefry Sierra
OF Norris Hopper Cody Strait Yuber Rodriguez Keltavious Jones Jose Bastardo
OF B.J. Szymanski Carson Kainer Kyle Maunus Alexis Oliveras
OF Josh Holden Gerardo Cabrera
UT Jerry Gil Drew M. Anderson

SP Aaron Harang Homer Bailey Carlos Fisher Travis Wood Kyle Lotzkar Drew Bowman Luca Panerati
SP Bronson Arroyo Johnny Cueto Daryl Thompson Sean Watson Evan Hildebrandt Brandon Rice Matteo Pizziconi
SP Matt Belisle Matt Maloney James Avery Alex Smit Tzu-Kai Chiu Efrain Rodriguez Stalin Gerson
SP Edinson Volquez Richie Gardner Sam Lecure Rafael Gonzalez Scott Carroll Harris Honeycutt Porfirio Martinez
SP Josh Fogg Adam Pettyjohn Ben Jukich Jordan Smith Enerio Del Rosario Jon Conatser Marcos Molina
SP Tom Shearn Camilo Vazquez Daniel Guerrero Juan Rafael Jose Marizan Jose Siri
SP Dave Gassner
SP Bobby Livingston
RP Francisco Cordero Bill Bray Josh Roenicke Derrik Lutz Josh Ravin Charles Snowden Jeremy Vinyard
RP Dave Weathers Marcus McBeth Pedro Viola Lee Tabor Jeremy Horst Dan Zeffiro Victor Navarro
RP Mike Stanton Gary Majewski Justin James Misael DeJesus Matt Klinker Jordan Hotchkiss Tom Fiebig
RP Todd Coffey Jon Coutlangus Ramon Ramirez Ramon Geronimo Dan Donaldson Aguido Gonzalez Ricky Rhodes
RP Jared Burton Ty Pelland Danny Ray Herrera Phil Valiquette Steve Otterness Josh Beal Curtis Partch
RP Jeremy Affeldt Brad Salmon Robert Manuel Luis Montano Joe Krebs Ray Jeffords Leonardo Astorga
RP Sergio Valenzuela Kent Mercker Logan Ondrusek Kevin Gunter Jamie Arneson Scott Gaffney
RP Jon Adkins Justin Mallett James Morris Jacob Ociesa Anthony Romero
RP Jim Brower Dan Denham Terrell Young Tyler Rhoden Jose Medina
RP Chris Michalak Brock Till
RP Mike Lincoln
RP Scott Sauerbeck
RP Justin Lehr
RP Ricky Stone

mth123
02-27-2008, 07:51 AM
Nice post. Things I'm interested in this spring:

- The Reds sure have a ton of "jouneymen" pitching to pick through at the upper levels.

- Interesting that you have Frazier starting off at Dayton and playing LF. I'd bump him higher possibly all the way to AA. He's a college kid who has always hit and those college years basically replace his rookie, low A and High A years. I also wouldn't concede that he has to fall all the way down the defensive spectrum to LF. I think they should give 3B a try even though its a deep position for the organization. It still provides more value than Frazier in LF. He can always move ot LF later if necessary.

- Soto at 2B may be a good call. Considering Phillips deal, I'd try to leave him at SS and might be inclined to give him a try in CF.

- Valaika at 2B looks about right. I think he'll end-up a guy who moves around a lot.

- Adam Rosales at 3B is also probably correct. If the rumors of a long term deal with EdE in the works are true, Rosales is another guy that I'd try in CF.

- Mesoraco to Dayton seems like a big jump considring how he preformed last year. He's a high school kid and I think Billings is probably the right place for him, but the Reds will probably not want to wait until June to get him playing so you are probably right. Its too bad. I think Jake Long is a sleeper who could use the playing time at Dayton.

- Danny Dorn is ready for AAA IMO.

- The AAA and AA rotations are loaded pretty well. Bailey, Cueto, Maloney in AAA with Gardner and Shearn or one of the other journeymen should be pretty nice for Louisville fans. Fisher, Thompson, Lecure in AA with probably two of Jukich, Vazquez and Avery could also be pretty good. I could see the team dealing off some of the AA guys while stashing a journeymen or two there. The bullpens are pretty well stocked as well so there will be some guys left on the outside looking in even if all the vets are let go at the end of spring.

I think seeing how the team cuts down the organization (especially the pitching depth) is one of the most interesting aspects to spring training. At least the days of scrounging for decent players to fill the system are over.

Kc61
02-27-2008, 11:44 AM
The critical issue presented by your list is Stanton, Valenzuela and Coffey in the bullpen. There are a lot of candidates for those spots, and I'm sure we all have our favorites. If healthy, I'd assume Bray takes one of those spots. Maj, Coutlangus, Bailey (if he has a good spring), Sauerbeck, I'd guess are all serious candidates for those roster spots. Cueto, Pelland, Salmon, Roenicke sleepers. We'll see.

camisadelgolf
02-27-2008, 12:15 PM
Thank you very much for the comments.


- The Reds sure have a ton of "jouneymen" pitching to pick through at the upper levels.

It's ridiculous. People keep talking about the Reds picking up another A-ball team when it looks like they have enough pitching for two more AAA teams.


- Interesting that you have Frazier starting off at Dayton and playing LF. I'd bump him higher possibly all the way to AA. He's a college kid who has always hit and those college years basically replace his rookie, low A and High A years. I also wouldn't concede that he has to fall all the way down the defensive spectrum to LF. I think they should give 3B a try even though its a deep position for the organization. It still provides more value than Frazier in LF. He can always move ot LF later if necessary.

Good catch. I think this was the most controversial thing I did. When I made this, I couldn't think of the best way to organize it so Cozart, Waring, Soto, Frazier, etc. all got regular at-bats. I also thought about putting Frazier at third base and moving Waring to first (since McKennon isn't too much of a prospect). Now that I look at it again, I think I'd put Zach Cozart as the starting shortstop in Dayton, Yen-Wen Kuo in Billings or the GCL, Todd Frazier as the starting shortstop in Sarasota, and Keltavious Jones as the left fielder in Dayton.


- Soto at 2B may be a good call. Considering Phillips deal, I'd try to leave him at SS and might be inclined to give him a try in CF.

Neftali Soto appears to be very raw, but I think it's too early to give up on him as an infielder. I don't think he projects to be a shortstop at the ML level, but I also think you'd like someone as athletic as him in a more defensive-oriented position. With Waring, Francisco, and Frazier all as possibilities at third base, I think Soto is likely to move to second base.


- Valaika at 2B looks about right. I think he'll end-up a guy who moves around a lot.

I hesitate to put Chris Valaika at AA because he struggled in Sarasota. In fact, at this point, I like Justin Turner more as a prospect, even though he struggled there, too. But I think Turner has a bit more to prove in Sarasota, so I put Valaika in Chattanooga by default.


- Adam Rosales at 3B is also probably correct. If the rumors of a long term deal with EdE in the works are true, Rosales is another guy that I'd try in CF.

Rosales played there almost every day in the Arizona Fall League, so I think it's pretty much confirmed that he's moving to third base. I've never seen him in the outfield, but I presume he doesn't have the range desired for center field.


- Mesoraco to Dayton seems like a big jump considring how he preformed last year. He's a high school kid and I think Billings is probably the right place for him, but the Reds will probably not want to wait until June to get him playing so you are probably right. Its too bad. I think Jake Long is a sleeper who could use the playing time at Dayton.

It's certainly a big jump, but like you said, as much as they're paying him, they probably don't want to wait around for him to get his at-bats. I like Jake Long a lot as a sleeper, too.


- Danny Dorn is ready for AAA IMO.

I think he could handle himself there, but as everyone is quick to point out, he has a lot of work to do against left-handed pitchers, and I don't think it makes too much of a difference whether he does it in AA or AAA at this point. Besides, he was drafted in 2006, and the Reds are stacked with left-handed-hitting outfielders, so the Reds can afford to take their time with him.


- The AAA and AA rotations are loaded pretty well. Bailey, Cueto, Maloney in AAA with Gardner and Shearn or one of the other journeymen should be pretty nice for Louisville fans. Fisher, Thompson, Lecure in AA with probably two of Jukich, Vazquez and Avery could also be pretty good. I could see the team dealing off some of the AA guys while stashing a journeymen or two there. The bullpens are pretty well stocked as well so there will be some guys left on the outside looking in even if all the vets are let go at the end of spring.

I agree. Some of it is just insanity to me, though. How the heck are Josh Roenicke, Pedro Viola, Justin James, Ramon Ramirez, etc. going to advance to AAA with so many pitchers clogging up roster spots in Louisville? The Reds have nearly 20 AAA-level pitchers with ML experience--I'm hoping the Reds package about ten of them in a deal to Japan for some flat-screen televisions or something.


I think seeing how the team cuts down the organization (especially the pitching depth) is one of the most interesting aspects to spring training. At least the days of scrounging for decent players to fill the system are over.

Yeah, I can't wait to see who's cut. I just can't think of any good reasons to keep Chris Michalak around.