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Screwball
06-24-2008, 12:03 PM
Duran's updated line: .316/.480/.632/1.112.

OnBaseMachine
06-26-2008, 11:26 PM
Duran went 2-for-4 with a double and a walk today. As of June 26th he's hitting .310/.447/.552 - .999 OPS with six walks in 29 atbats. Not bad for a 16-year old kid eh?

bucksfan2
06-26-2008, 11:38 PM
Duran went 2-for-4 with a double and a walk today. As of June 26th he's hitting .310/.447/.552 - .999 OPS with six walks in 29 atbats. Not bad for a 16-year old kid eh?

I will get excited when the kid starts doing it in America. Not that I am downplaying what he is accomplishing but at the same time lets see how he stacks up on foreign soil and against better professionals.

dougdirt
06-27-2008, 12:42 AM
Duran went 2-for-4 with a double and a walk today. As of June 26th he's hitting .310/.447/.552 - .999 OPS with six walks in 29 atbats. Not bad for a 16-year old kid eh?

Just for comparison's sake, here is what Juan Francisco did in the DSL as an 18 year old:
158 AB, hit .228, 14 walks, 26 strikeouts, 10 doubles, 1 triple and 4 HR while slugging of .379.

Screwball
06-27-2008, 03:01 AM
nm

OnBaseMachine
06-27-2008, 03:02 AM
Duran's updated line: .280/.424/.520/.944 through 25 ABs. What's funny is that he has 3 3B and 0 2B.

That line is a day old. His updated line is .310/.447/.552 - .999 OPS with three triples and a double.

Screwball
06-27-2008, 03:05 AM
That line is a day old. His updated line is .310/.447/.552 - .999 OPS with three triples and a double.

Yeah I just went back and saw your post. I tried to edit mine in time but you're too dang quick. :)

Grande Donkey
06-27-2008, 09:12 AM
Juan Duran is a non-prospect if he only has double and triple power. What a waste of 2-3 million dollars...

princeton
06-27-2008, 11:16 AM
What a waist

he's really skinny?

not to worry; he can buy a lot of food now.

Grande Donkey
06-27-2008, 11:23 AM
got me.

Screwball
06-27-2008, 12:24 PM
Juan Duran is a non-prospect if he only has double and triple power. What a waste of 2-3 million dollars...

Definitely, definitely.

On a related topic, based on his first two weeks in the Majors, Jay Bruce has been voted into the Hall of Fame. Congrats, Jay.

TRF
06-27-2008, 01:34 PM
Juan Duran is a non-prospect if he only has double and triple power. What a waste of 2-3 million dollars...

i'm hoping you are joking and I missed the smiley somehow.

Grande Donkey
06-27-2008, 01:34 PM
i'm hoping you are joking and I missed the smiley somehow.I thought it was obvious enough not to need a smiley :D

TRF
06-27-2008, 01:39 PM
oh thank god.

I'm doing a major conversion of our website's CMS and didn't read all that close. I was about to get snarky. :)

krm1580
06-27-2008, 07:05 PM
When I was looking on saberscouting regarding Yorman Rodriguez I came across this piece on Duran.

While the Reds rave about Duranís right field arm, advanced bat, and big power, one source I spoke with was much more skeptical of Duran. The executive described Duranís hitability as average and while the power is plus, Duranís defensive tools would only play at 1B and the bat isnít on the same level as previous July 2nd bonus babies like Giantsí 1B Angel Villalona ($2.1 million) and Yankeesí C Jesus Montero ($1.6 million), making Duran is more of a high six-figure to low seven-figure prospect. http://www.saberscouting.com/2008/06/25/july2notes/

Sounds more like Joel Guzman than Dave Winfield. It will be interesting to see how he pans out.

Grande Donkey
06-27-2008, 07:08 PM
That is just one scouts opinion. Many more rave about his abilities and I do not see how he could only play first? You usually don't put toolsy guys at first.

OnBaseMachine
06-27-2008, 07:08 PM
When I was looking on saberscouting regarding Yorman Rodriguez I came across this piece on Duran.

While the Reds rave about Duran’s right field arm, advanced bat, and big power, one source I spoke with was much more skeptical of Duran. The executive described Duran’s hitability as average and while the power is plus, Duran’s defensive tools would only play at 1B and the bat isn’t on the same level as previous July 2nd bonus babies like Giants’ 1B Angel Villalona ($2.1 million) and Yankees’ C Jesus Montero ($1.6 million), making Duran is more of a high six-figure to low seven-figure prospect. http://www.saberscouting.com/2008/06/25/july2notes/

Sounds more like Joel Guzman than Dave Winfield. It will be interesting to see how he pans out.

Sounds like a bitter scout. All other reports say he is athletic and may be able to handle center field and then this guys says he's a first baseman. Sounds like someone the Reds would have hired 15 years ago when their farm system was consistently bare.

krm1580
06-27-2008, 08:52 PM
Sounds like a bitter scout. All other reports say he is athletic and may be able to handle center field and then this guys says he's a first baseman. Sounds like someone the Reds would have hired 15 years ago when their farm system was consistently bare.

Yeah that was kind of my point. I don't see how one team can see a guy and say he can play CF and someone else see him and say he will never be more than a 1B. I mean he skipped right over RF and LF and went straight to 1B. That is a stark difference in opinion. Its like Willie Mays vs Corey Patterson different.

Tony Cloninger
06-28-2008, 11:17 AM
The scouts from 15 years ago were not given much of an opportunity by that great visionary marge schott.....to go and even think about signing latin players.

I think Danny Tartabull was the last decent one they had before losing him in the minor leauge draft.

Steve4192
06-28-2008, 03:26 PM
That is just one scouts opinion. Many more rave about his abilities and I do not see how he could only play first? You usually don't put toolsy guys at first.

You do when they are already 6'6" tall and 200+ pounds as a 16 year old. With his frame, he could wind up being a 6'8" 260 pound behemoth by the time he is in his prime. You don't see a lot of guys that size patrolling the outfield with any degree of competence.

Hopefully, he doesn't have the genetics to get that big, but the potential is there.

OnBaseMachine
06-28-2008, 03:34 PM
milb.com has Duran at 6'5" and 190 pounds. He grew six inches last year so he's probably done growing. He'll eventually fill out to around 225-230 which is Dave Winfield territory (who Duran has been compared to ironically). I don't think center field is in his future but he should make a fine corner outfielder.

Steve4192
06-28-2008, 03:45 PM
milb.com has Duran at 6'5" and 190 pounds. He grew six inches last year so he's probably done growing. He'll eventually fill out to around 225-230 which is Dave Winfield territory

Maybe. Maybe not.

I know plenty of folks (myself included) who grew another inch or two after their 'growth spurt' was over. Also, it's really hard to say what kind of body type he is going to have at this point. He might have a Dave Winfield body, or he might have an Adam Dunn body.

We really have no clue what this kid is going to look like in his late 20s to early 30s.

GoReds33
06-28-2008, 05:44 PM
Maybe. Maybe not.

I know plenty of folks (myself included) who grew another inch or two after their 'growth spurt' was over. Also, it's really hard to say what kind of body type he is going to have at this point. He might have a Dave Winfield body, or he might have an Adam Dunn body.

We really have no clue what this kid is going to look like in his late 20s to early 30s.I know it's not what you meant, but if Duran turns out anything like Dunn than it was a great investment.

The Cowboy
06-28-2008, 07:56 PM
Maybe. Maybe not.

I know plenty of folks (myself included) who grew another inch or two after their 'growth spurt' was over. Also, it's really hard to say what kind of body type he is going to have at this point. He might have a Dave Winfield body, or he might have an Adam Dunn body.

We really have no clue what this kid is going to look like in his late 20s to early 30s.

Haha yeah im almost 6'8" as an 18 y.o and was 6'3" as a 16 y.o lol.. He may still grow, who knows.. Or he could really be 18, also who knows lol..

Mario-Rijo
06-28-2008, 08:12 PM
Haha yeah im almost 6'8" as an 18 y.o and was 6'3" as a 16 y.o lol.. He may still grow, who knows.. Or he could really be 18, also who knows lol..

MLB is supposed to be doing better at keeping this from happening, but honestly it wouldn't surprise me either.

Screwball
06-28-2008, 11:58 PM
You don't see a lot of guys that size patrolling the outfield with any degree of competence.


True, but Corey Hart is about 8'9" (he's actually 6'6") and 220 lbs. and he plays a mean RF. As long as Duran has some speed - and it sounds like he does - he can stick in the outfield despite his big frame.

Steve4192
06-29-2008, 11:57 AM
True, but Corey Hart is about 8'9" (he's actually 6'6") and 220 lbs. and he plays a mean RF. As long as Duran has some speed - and it sounds like he does - he can stick in the outfield despite his big frame.

6'6" 220 pounds works in the outfield. A tall, skinny guy with a build like Michael Jordan can still patrol the OF with great aplomb.

6'6" 260 pounds is a different story. A tall, thick guy with a build like Charles Barkley might be able to perform adequately if he is a ridiculous athlete, but it is much more likely he would be a liability out there.

OnBaseMachine
06-29-2008, 01:06 PM
In an article in the Enquirer today there is a couple quotes on Duran and one says Duran already has 400-foot power to all fields. That's pretty amazing for a 16-year old kid.

tbball10
06-29-2008, 03:30 PM
In an article in the Enquirer today there is a couple quotes on Duran and one says Duran already has 400-foot power to all fields. That's pretty amazing for a 16-year old kid.

i think i had 200-foot power (with a metal bat) to all fields when i was 16...

fearofpopvol1
06-29-2008, 10:26 PM
Does anyone have updated stats for Duran for ths season?

Screwball
06-29-2008, 11:02 PM
Does anyone have updated stats for Duran for ths season?

11 G, 35 AB, .286/.409/.486/.895, 1 2B, 3 3B, 0 HR, 4 RBI, 2 SB (0 CS)

fearofpopvol1
06-29-2008, 11:42 PM
Thanks for posting!

OnBaseMachine
07-02-2008, 03:51 PM
Duran went 2-for-3 with two stolen bases yesterday and is now batting .316/.426/.500 - .926 OPS with four stolen bases.

Grande Donkey
07-02-2008, 03:56 PM
Is that good for a 16 year old or something? You are saying it as if we should be impressed...

princeton
07-15-2008, 02:31 PM
not to worry about Duran's slow start. Our last big Latin signing, Alejandro Diaz, also started slow, as did our last multimillionaire pick, Devin Mesoraco. And look at both of them now.

OnBaseMachine
07-15-2008, 02:38 PM
Considering Juan Duran is 16-years old I don't think I'll worry too much. Diaz was 23 when the Reds signed him. Big difference there.

ochre
07-16-2008, 03:08 PM
Considering Juan Duran is 16-years old I don't think I'll worry too much. Diaz was 23 when the Reds signed him. Big difference there.
Diaz was 21 when the Reds signed him; he was 24 the next day.

Blitz Dorsey
07-16-2008, 11:53 PM
Well, we're pretty sure he's 16 years old.

(I keed, I keed.)

ChatterRed
07-17-2008, 01:19 AM
6'6" 220 pounds works in the outfield. A tall, skinny guy with a build like Michael Jordan can still patrol the OF with great aplomb.

6'6" 260 pounds is a different story. A tall, thick guy with a build like Charles Barkley might be able to perform adequately if he is a ridiculous athlete, but it is much more likely he would be a liability out there.

Charles Barkley was only 6'4 1/2", but got everything out of his size. He even competed for rebounding titles in the NBA, while always being the short wide body.

OnBaseMachine
08-24-2008, 03:00 PM
Well the Dominican Summer League season ended yesterday which means we won't be hearing from Juan Duran anymore this season. He finished his first pro season with a line of .215/.340/.319 - .658 with 24 walks in 135 atbats. Looking at the numbers it's not very impressive but when you factor in he's on 16-years old and hasn't even begun to fill out yet then it becomes a little more impressive. He started strong (.286/.409/.486 - .895 in 35 atbats in June) and finished OK (.268/.318/.366 in last 11 games) and struggled in between. All in all I was pleased with what he did. He's extremely young and battled an elbow problem caused by him growing so much in the last year. The stats weren't eye popping but he showed good tools and wasn't overwhelmed against older competition. Hopefully he has a nice offseason (probably playing more baseball in some sort of league) and is ready to come to the United States in 2009 and play in the Gulf Coast League.

crazyredfan40
08-24-2008, 10:46 PM
The thing that I like to see at such a young age, is his ability to take a walk...He only hit .215, but his OBP was .340 which is very good...When the hits come around the OBP could climb up to .400 or so...

camisadelgolf
08-25-2008, 02:58 AM
The thing that I like to see at such a young age, is his ability to take a walk...He only hit .215, but his OBP was .340 which is very good...When the hits come around the OBP could climb up to .400 or so...

Being known as the millionaire 16-year-old probably greatly hurt his chances of getting good pitches to hit. A lot of guys in the DSL have trouble throwing pitches over the plate anyway.