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forfreelin04
03-02-2008, 04:27 PM
-I was going to wait and due this after the game, but the last inning has been replaced by another brainless interview. Thus, my first observation was it was worst broadcast I've ever seen. Numerous times one broadcaster referred to the count as 2-0 when there were 2 strikes and he seemed to have A.D.D. Every time the guy that actually knew something mentioned someone playing, he would immeditely change the subject to something about hot dogs or what a beautiful day it was. Final conclusion: Don't watch Canadian TV!

-Jay Bruce is freaky strong. He hit a double off the wall that wasn't even close to the strike zone. It was up and away from him but he still clobbered it. I didn't know he had that kind of strength.

-Arroyo was effective because the Jays hitters were free swinging. He didn't break a sweat.

-Cueto was impressive. His offspeed stuff his filthy. I haven't seen Volquez yet but Cueto impressed me more than Bailey. I did fee Cueto left a few balls up in the zone. At the beginning of his first inning, he seemed to be rushing his windup to the plate. The only run score off him was due in part to a patented Scott Rolen bloop.

-I had no idea Dickerson was left handed. He had a nice triple early in the game and can really motor around the bases.

-Earth to Wayne: Stanton still stinks. The buck stops here took him loooong. (One of the announcers mentioned Buck Coats was a top prospoect: I fell off my chair)

-Earth to Wayne: Merker is stealing innings from someone who actually has a chance of making the team. Sadly though, our lefties outside of Affledt are hideous.

-Weathers looked bad, but Cordero gave up a run too. Nothing to be worried about. However, I wouldn't be surprised if David Weathers starts pitching his age now that is no longer the closer. Here's to hoping Jared Burton is the real deal.

-The Jays second basemen forced someone out at second with one out and started trotting into the dugout thinking there were 2 outs. Haven't seen that in awhile.

-I paid 15 dollars for that game.(month of MLB) It was worth it to see baseball again.

Degenerate39
03-02-2008, 05:00 PM
- Mike Stanton doesn't deserve to be on this team.

mlbfan30
03-02-2008, 05:01 PM
I think it's interesting the CF lead off the game.

jmac
03-02-2008, 05:24 PM
Dont write Weathers off yet. It's ST and the veterans like him and Cordero doesnt bother me.
Guys like Stanton as well as Merker etc should be auditioning just like the younger guys.
Cueto didnt dissappoint. To me, he almost seems ahead of Homer on Dusty's chart based on what he has said.
Bruce is taking the bull by the horns and that is good to see. Hope he isnt out too long with the quad strain.
As far as yesterday, glad to see Coffey off to good start.
I do not dislike him but I do have my doubts. He is more than welcome to prove me wrong though.
Reonicke is well, wow ! He throws hard and throws strikes. Got to like that.
Majewski didnt win me over by one good outing.
With Coutlangous struggling and Stanton being Stanton, I still say maybe Dusty will tell Affeldt we need him in the pen.

UPRedsFan
03-02-2008, 05:25 PM
That was more of a Blue Jays commercial for season tickets than a broadcast of a baseball game.

In addition to the comments already made, they cut away during at bats to interview Joe Shmo and his wife who bought season tickets.

Late in the game the announcers still thought Hopper was in left field, but it was a tall white guy making the catch. Maybe Drew Anderson? They thought Bruce caught a fly ball in center, but that was Dickerson. Didn't even make an attempt to correct their mistakes.

Andy Phillips came up to bat and they called him the second baseman Brandon Phillips. Which of course if it was Brandon, he would have been batting out of order.

In one at bat, the Jays pitcher threw a couple breaking balls in the dirt, the batter didn't bite. Then on a fastball a bit high that he swung through the announcer said, "well he's got him fishing that's what you want."

MLBtv should give everyone a refund for that experience.

I had to turn the sound down and actually spent most of the game listing to Marty on gameday audio and then switched back to mlbtv if there was a pitcher I wanted to see.

757690
03-02-2008, 05:31 PM
I think it's interesting the CF lead off the game.

(I just can't help it)

Talk about not be able to please a guy. lol.

You've been saying that Dusty should be playing Bruce in Center, and in a game which had both Hopper and Freel, he did just that. And he did not have a 2B/SS batting 2nd, even though Kepp was at SS. And don't you agree that with those players, Bruce was the best lead off hitter?
It looks like Dusty is making improvements in his lineups. Maybe he's been reading the Redzone, and is working at making us happy. If we try hard enough, maybe we can get Votto as the leadoff hitter?
Anyway, as Dusty said, Spring Training is for trying stuff out. I will start paying attention to his lineups in the last week of March, that is when things start to settle in.

forfreelin04
03-02-2008, 05:45 PM
Dont write Weathers off yet. It's ST and the veterans like him and Cordero doesnt bother me.
Guys like Stanton as well as Merker etc should be auditioning just like the younger guys.
Cueto didnt dissappoint. To me, he almost seems ahead of Homer on Dusty's chart based on what he has said.
Bruce is taking the bull by the horns and that is good to see. Hope he isnt out too long with the quad strain.
As far as yesterday, glad to see Coffey off to good start.
I do not dislike him but I do have my doubts. He is more than welcome to prove me wrong though.
Reonicke is well, wow ! He throws hard and throws strikes. Got to like that.
Majewski didnt win me over by one good outing.
With Coutlangous struggling and Stanton being Stanton, I still say maybe Dusty will tell Affeldt we need him in the pen.

Certainly, not writing Weathers off. However, I expect a down year from him. I think inserting him in the closer's role provided him with the motivation to keep pitching. Now that some pressure is off I think you'll see him slide down to career norms. I am sure he will have plenty of pressure opportunities, but I think he really enjoyed closing. My hope is that the bullpen gels in ways it wasn't able to the past three or fours years due to the Cordero signing. In past years, it seems that the manager would simply draw a name out of a hat. I think having Cordero allows Baker to play a much better hand.

I also must say I was mostly happy when Coats went deep off of Stanton. No better way to get yourself released then by getting shellacked by a guy your own team didn't want. I agree with you on Affledt. The lack of strong left handed pitching might force Dusty to put him in the pen. I likes that alot.

mlbfan30
03-02-2008, 05:55 PM
Its good Bruce was in CF. It's just interesting how when Bruce is in CF, he's leading off. Every other time he's been around 6th. Hopper was still getting time at the top of the order. I know stats don't really matter, but Hopper has never even reached base yet. Him and Andy Green are the only ones not to reach base. I think it's time to cut Greene considering his career .199 AVG. He's 29 and I just don't see him helping the team.

I think Keppinger is the best leadoff hitter with that lineup. I would have at least switched him and Bruce along with some other things.

I'm getting tired of Stanton and Mercker. These guys are too old and too bad to pitch for the Reds. I'd much rather have Roenecke or some other young guy because they have a chance to improve and breakout. Coutlangus and Pellend are lefties that would be younger and better. We need higher upside guys in the bullpen.

SMcGavin
03-02-2008, 06:34 PM
I'm getting tired of Stanton and Mercker. These guys are too old and too bad to pitch for the Reds. I'd much rather have Roenecke or some other young guy because they have a chance to improve and breakout. Coutlangus and Pellend are lefties that would be younger and better. We need higher upside guys in the bullpen.

Can't argue with that. Has anyone heard any updates on Bray's injury? I think he's a guy that can really help us out this year if healthy. Coutlangus and Pelland, it might be too early to tell on either of them (though Cout showed good stuff last year). But I am completely confident that a healthy Bill Bray can get major league hitters out.

jmac
03-02-2008, 07:04 PM
But I am completely confident that a healthy Bill Bray can get major league hitters out.
I agree but the healthy is the key word.

AmarilloRed
03-02-2008, 07:10 PM
Can't argue with that. Has anyone heard any updates on Bray's injury? I think he's a guy that can really help us out this year if healthy. Coutlangus and Pelland, it might be too early to tell on either of them (though Cout showed good stuff last year). But I am completely confident that a healthy Bill Bray can get major league hitters out.

SARASOTA, Fla. -- As Reds pitchers throw in bullpens and face hitters, reliever Bill Bray remains behind because of a sore left shoulder.

Bray is on a throwing program that his him long-tossing up to 120 feet every other day. The left-hander is reporting improvement.

"I don't think it will be too long," Bray said. "My arm is starting to feel pretty good. I'll wait and see what they say. Every day it's starting to feel better. I'm getting confident it's starting to heal itself."

When Bray is ready, he will be competing against several other lefties for a spot in the bullpen, including Jon Coutlangus, Mike Stanton, Kent Mercker and Scott Sauerbeck.

Fortunately for Bray, it's still early enough in camp that he hasn't fallen too far behind the others.

"As long as I don't have any setbacks, they're confident I'll be physically ready to break camp," Bray said. "That's exciting because it's a lot further along than I thought I'd be."

http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080224&content_id=2387096&vkey=spt2008news&fext=.jsp&c_id=cin


He is on a throwing program, and is expecting to be in the bullpen soon.

gedred69
03-02-2008, 07:34 PM
SARASOTA, Fla. -- As Reds pitchers throw in bullpens and face hitters, reliever Bill Bray remains behind because of a sore left shoulder.

Bray is on a throwing program that his him long-tossing up to 120 feet every other day. The left-hander is reporting improvement.

"I don't think it will be too long," Bray said. "My arm is starting to feel pretty good. I'll wait and see what they say. Every day it's starting to feel better. I'm getting confident it's starting to heal itself."

When Bray is ready, he will be competing against several other lefties for a spot in the bullpen, including Jon Coutlangus, Mike Stanton, Kent Mercker and Scott Sauerbeck.

Fortunately for Bray, it's still early enough in camp that he hasn't fallen too far behind the others.

"As long as I don't have any setbacks, they're confident I'll be physically ready to break camp," Bray said. "That's exciting because it's a lot further along than I thought I'd be."

http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080224&content_id=2387096&vkey=spt2008news&fext=.jsp&c_id=cin


He is on a throwing program, and is expecting to be in the bullpen soon.

The other Lefties he will be competing with shouldn't be scary, but again, as long as Bray is HEALTHY:thumbup:

Bip Roberts
03-02-2008, 08:07 PM
- Chris Dickerson sounds kinda fun to watch

SMcGavin
03-02-2008, 09:14 PM
SARASOTA, Fla. -- As Reds pitchers throw in bullpens and face hitters, reliever Bill Bray remains behind because of a sore left shoulder.

Bray is on a throwing program that his him long-tossing up to 120 feet every other day. The left-hander is reporting improvement.

"I don't think it will be too long," Bray said. "My arm is starting to feel pretty good. I'll wait and see what they say. Every day it's starting to feel better. I'm getting confident it's starting to heal itself."

When Bray is ready, he will be competing against several other lefties for a spot in the bullpen, including Jon Coutlangus, Mike Stanton, Kent Mercker and Scott Sauerbeck.

Fortunately for Bray, it's still early enough in camp that he hasn't fallen too far behind the others.

"As long as I don't have any setbacks, they're confident I'll be physically ready to break camp," Bray said. "That's exciting because it's a lot further along than I thought I'd be."

http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080224&content_id=2387096&vkey=spt2008news&fext=.jsp&c_id=cin


He is on a throwing program, and is expecting to be in the bullpen soon.

Thanks for the update, I hope he's back for Opening Day. Bray >> Stanton, Mercker, and Sauerbeck. I like him better than Coutlangus too.

UPRedsFan
03-02-2008, 09:35 PM
Bray is crucial to this team. Coutlangus doesn't have reliable control to trust bringing him in against a left handed hitter with runners on. Stanton will be 41 and just doesn't have it anymore.

Merker? I don't know, but I doubt he could be effective enough.

Sauerback hasn't impressed so far either.

Affeldt may have to be in the pen by default since we don't have any good left handed options.

Or we may see a Freel or Hatteberg trade for an established lefty specialist.

AmarilloRed
03-02-2008, 09:54 PM
Brad Salmon should be someone to watch. He has pitched 1 scoreless inning so far, and could really help the bullpen if the Reds give him a chance.

ChatterRed
03-03-2008, 01:43 AM
I'm counting on him to swim upstream against the big dawgs with that 0.00 era.

redsupport
03-03-2008, 01:56 AM
they wont give him a chance until he turns 45

reds2221
03-03-2008, 07:13 AM
Salmon needs some more appearences during ST to see if he can keep that up, and if he can do that, then he could be our set up man.