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Buckeye33
03-03-2008, 02:25 AM
I guess everyone should wait to be sure but here is what is being reported.

"Sources: Bengals send picks to Jets for Robertson

By Michael Smith
ESPN.com
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Updated: March 3, 2008, 12:42 AM ET
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The New York Jets and Cincinnati Bengals have agreed to terms on a trade that would send defensive tackle Dewayne Robertson to the Bengals in exchange for Cincinnati's fourth- and fifth-round picks (Nos. 114 and 151) in the upcoming draft, according to league sources.


Robertson
Completion of the trade is contingent upon Robertson agreeing to a new contract -- he had two years remaining on his rookie deal with New York -- and passing a physical, though neither is expected to hold up the deal, which could be finalized as early as Monday.

On Friday the Bengals had a deal in place to acquire Lions defensive tackle Shaun Rogers in exchange for third- and fifth-round picks, but that trade fell through when it did not meet league approval. The Lions then traded Rogers to the Bengals' in-state rivals, the Browns, for a third rounder and cornerback Leigh Bodden.

In Robertson, 26, the Bengals, hoping to improve a defense that has ranked higher than 27th in yards allowed once in the past five seasons, will get a player who isn't as big or as dominant as Rogers has been in his first five season. But Robertson is just as hungry for a fresh start. Robertson, 6-foot-1 and 310 pounds, should be a better fit as a penetrating "3-technique" tackle in Cincinnati's 4-3 scheme than he had been in the Jets' 3-4 the past two years.

In an interesting twist, the Bengals will have on their roster two of the first four picks in the 2003 draft. In fact, Cincinnati selected quarterback Carson Palmer first overall that year from among a group of four finalists that also included Robertson, whom Bengals head coach Marvin Lewis (along with many other personnel evaluators) is said to have loved coming out of the University of Kentucky.

Robertson will be the fifth interior defensive lineman to be dealt for at least one draft pick since Friday, joining Corey Williams (Packers to Browns), Kris Jenkins (Panthers to Jets), Marcus Stroud (Jaguars to Bills) and Rogers. Some do not consider the 2008 draft to be deep at the defensive tackle position, thus several teams have decided to instead spend pick on a veteran.

Michael Smith is a senior writer for ESPN.com."

Robertson is not as dominant as Rogers can be, but he's younger and cost the Bengals less in picks. Hopefully a new start and a return to a better fitting 4-3 scheme (if they stay with that) will help him out.

I'm really hoping the Bengals can get Calvin Pace to visit and somehow get him signed. He would be a great fit.

Bip Roberts
03-03-2008, 02:35 AM
I can deal with it but that means we are staying 4-3. He also has much less baggage

CTA513
03-03-2008, 02:35 AM
just a 4th & 5th round pick?

If so that sounds like a good deal as hes supposed to be better fit for a 4-3 defense and not a 3-4 defense like the Jets run.

WMR
03-03-2008, 06:14 AM
He was great at Kentucky. We still get our 3rd rounder now... we shall see... ::fingers crossed::

Wish we could make some sort of move on the FA market for another d-lineman.

WMR
03-03-2008, 06:15 AM
Or linebacker.

WVRed
03-03-2008, 08:12 AM
We could still draft Dorsey or Ellis.

Even though Robertson has been a disappointment with the Jets he is still an upgrade.

CrackerJack
03-03-2008, 10:37 AM
Slight upgrade to Thorton...zzzzz.

Oh BTW the deal isn't official yet and Robertson's agent is denying the trade altogether.

Also giving up a 4th and 5th rounder is actually pretty pricey by today's standards. The Bengals' probably look at it, as two picks they don't have to pay, and can stash some money away in the trunk of Mike Brown's 1986 Lumina, when everyone forgets about that, and Hobson will be forced to quote the same rookie pool amount on Bengals.com, as if they drafted in every round. :)

Although, they'll get compensatory picks this year, so this isn't too much to give up for an average DT ultimately.

Bip Roberts
03-03-2008, 11:31 AM
Slight upgrade to Thorton...zzzzz.

Oh BTW the deal isn't official yet and Robertson's agent is denying the trade altogether.

Also giving up a 4th and 5th rounder is actually pretty pricey by today's standards. The Bengals' probably look at it, as two picks they don't have to pay, and can stash some money away in the trunk of Mike Brown's 1986 Lumina, when everyone forgets about that, and Hobson will be forced to quote the same rookie pool amount on Bengals.com, as if they drafted in every round. :)

Although, they'll get compensatory picks this year, so this isn't too much to give up for an average DT ultimately.

Hes more than a slight upgrade. Hes not a NT that NY has been playing him at, and a switch to 4-3 will help him a lot.

Robertsons agent isnt denying the deal he said its premature. Which pretty much means they havent worked out a contract yet.

Actually for a former 1st round pick thats 26 years old id say 4th and a 5th is a lot better price than a 3 and a 5 for a 30 year old to be guy with tons of extra baggage and already has faced 1 4 game suspension from the league.

danken12
03-03-2008, 12:09 PM
Slight upgrade to Thorton...zzzzz.

Oh BTW the deal isn't official yet and Robertson's agent is denying the trade altogether.

Also giving up a 4th and 5th rounder is actually pretty pricey by today's standards. The Bengals' probably look at it, as two picks they don't have to pay, and can stash some money away in the trunk of Mike Brown's 1986 Lumina, when everyone forgets about that, and Hobson will be forced to quote the same rookie pool amount on Bengals.com, as if they drafted in every round. :)

Although, they'll get compensatory picks this year, so this isn't too much to give up for an average DT ultimately.

DR has been stuck playing NT for the Jets basically clogging the middle. I think he'll look significantly better as a DT in a 4-3. I think alot of others agree as well.

KoryMac5
03-03-2008, 12:22 PM
If you had told me at the end of last year that the Bengals would be in the mix for Robertson and Odom I would have called you crazy. All these deals are obviously in the infancy stage but it is nice to hear the Bengals are trying to upgrade the D.

Imagining both Ellis and Robertson on the front line makes me salivate.

Highlifeman21
03-03-2008, 12:58 PM
The Bengals actively addressing a need?

I'm shocked.

Joseph
03-03-2008, 01:06 PM
IF they pull off this deal.

IF they sign Odom.

and IF they draft an Ellis type....

This D-line could go from bad, to very good.

IF this D-line does become good, then the LBs are better because they can do more. The secondary gets better because the QBs and RBs are scrambling to get away from pressure.

The defense suddenly is better across the board and can allow the offense to play better.

A few simple moves could change the Bengals into a serious contender in a hurry.

CrackerJack
03-03-2008, 01:41 PM
I guess I'm still wondering why Robertson's such an upgrade to Thorton? Because he went to UK? :)

I could actually see Robertson being a good 3-4 DE/DT - as that look is more of what the Bengals may be going to.

I also think there's little chance of getting Ellis in the draft, and Odom is a trade-off for Justin Smith - with a little better pass rushing ability (fine).

I just don't get too excited about anything the Bengals do - or haven't done yet in this case - many years of being a fan in my late thirties tells me to not do so.

KoryMac5
03-03-2008, 02:47 PM
WFAN is reporting the deal is done for a 4th and a 5th rounder, I will believe it when I see Robertson in uniform. Also Odom will visit Minnesota after us, bypassing his visit in Arizona. I imagine the Bengals offer to Odom will be fair but I expect the Vikings will over spend to get him.

WMR
03-03-2008, 02:58 PM
Do the Vikings have unlimited funds??? They seem to be going crazy in FA, and they already have an expensive defense, IIRC.

Sea Ray
03-03-2008, 04:09 PM
IF they pull off this deal.

IF they sign Odom.

and IF they draft an Ellis type....

This D-line could go from bad, to very good.

IF this D-line does become good, then the LBs are better because they can do more. The secondary gets better because the QBs and RBs are scrambling to get away from pressure.

The defense suddenly is better across the board and can allow the offense to play better.

A few simple moves could change the Bengals into a serious contender in a hurry.


C'mon now. Where were you when the Mike Brown Sucks classes were being taught? Did the miss the essay test during finals on "Why the Bengals Will Never Win?" under MB?

Matt700wlw
03-03-2008, 04:22 PM
Not yet...

http://www.bengals.com/news/news.asp?story_id=6669

CTA513
03-03-2008, 06:29 PM
From Foxsports.com:


Jets DT Robertson not going to Cincy

Mar 03, 2008 | 8:02AM |

report this Despite numerous indications that a deal would go down, the Cincinnati Bengals once again have failed to trade for a new defensive tackle.

FOXSports.com has learned that Dewayne Robertson of the New York Jets, who met with Bengals officials at team headquarters on Monday, will not be traded to Cincinnati.

Robertson has two years remaining on the rookie deal he signed as the No. 4 pick of the 2003 draft. He is set to earn $1.5 million in base salary this season.

Robertson, who spoke Sunday night to Bengals coach Marvin Lewis, has been a poor fit in the 3-4 defensive scheme New York installed when Eric Mangini became head coach in 2006. Robertson, 26, would likely be better suited to play in a 4-3 system as a penetrating-style defensive tackle.

The Bengals thought they had an agreement Friday with Detroit to acquire defensive tackle Shaun Rogers. But a contractual issue nullified the deal, leading to the Lions instead agreeing to send Rogers to Cleveland for a third-round draft pick and cornerback Leigh Bodden.

Robertson became expendable in New York when the Jets acquired defensive tackle Kris Jenkins in a Friday trade with Carolina. A source said the new Jets contract Jenkins signed includes $9.5 million in guaranteed money and a $4.5 million roster bonus due in March. The total value of the five-year contract is $30.25 million with $18 million coming in the first three seasons, the source said.

Media reports have stated Jenkins was set to earn $20 million in guaranteed money from the Jets



http://community.foxsports.com/blogs/Alex_Marvez/2008/03/03/Jets_DT_Robertson_not_going_to_Cincy

Bip Roberts
03-03-2008, 06:33 PM
Rumor is now that the trade is not happening.

:bowrofl:

They are citing a story from a guy that was posted at 8 am this morning.

Screwball
03-03-2008, 06:33 PM
Rumor is now that the trade is not happening.

:bowrofl:

Yep. From pft.com (www.profootballtalk.com):



ROBERTSON DEAL ISN'T HAPPENING
POSTED 5:23 p.m. EST, March 3, 2008

For the second time since Friday, a deal that the Bengals thought they'd make to upgrade a subpar defense has fallen apart.

Alex Marvez of FOXSports.com reports that the trade between the Jets and the Bengals for New York defensive tackle Dewayne Robertson is off.

The sticking point was Cincy's insistence that Robertson re-do a contract that is set to pay him $9.8 million in 2008. Unless and until the Jets find a team for whom Robertson is willing to take a haircut, the likelihood is that Robertson eventually will be cut before a $3 million roster bonus comes due in June.

CTA513
03-03-2008, 06:39 PM
They are citing a story from a guy that was posted at 8 am this morning.

I didn't see that till you said something.
Hopefully things have changed since then.

Bip Roberts
03-03-2008, 06:39 PM
http://community.foxsports.com/blogs/Alex_Marvez

8:02 AM when he posted it. 9 hours an no one else picked up on the story? Im not buying it quite yet

GoReds33
03-03-2008, 06:49 PM
This is terrible.

blumj
03-03-2008, 06:51 PM
He refused to take a "haircut"?

joshnky
03-03-2008, 07:28 PM
Even if this deal falls through, isn't there a possibility that we can pick him up in June when he is cut. He might be more amenable to a contract renegotiation when he is unemployed.

Matt700wlw
03-03-2008, 07:45 PM
Even if this deal falls through, isn't there a possibility that we can pick him up in June when he is cut. He might be more amenable to a contract renegotiation when he is unemployed.

That could be...may even cost them less, which we all know, is the bottom line for the Bengals.

redsfan4445
03-03-2008, 07:49 PM
isn't it great how a Owner can tease the fans to pretend he will do something?? its the same old bungles.. "WINNING isnt Part of the Plan".. tease the fans to keep them drinking the sellout koolaide!!

Sabo Fan
03-03-2008, 09:23 PM
Do the Vikings have unlimited funds??? They seem to be going crazy in FA, and they already have an expensive defense, IIRC.

I believe they had about $30 million in cap space going into free agency, but not quite unlimited funds. They have a pretty good cap specialist, believe his name is Rob Chudzinski, who is fairly well known for being able to work the cap, backloading some deals and frontloading others, and of course working the bonus and guaranteed money aspect of their contracts. Frees up a good bit of money and for the last three or four years they've been pretty healthy cap-wise.

Screwball
03-03-2008, 09:23 PM
isn't it great how a Owner can tease the fans to pretend he will do something?? its the same old bungles.. "WINNING isnt Part of the Plan".. tease the fans to keep them drinking the sellout koolaide!!

Give it a rest.

Bip Roberts
03-03-2008, 10:03 PM
isn't it great how a Owner can tease the fans to pretend he will do something?? its the same old bungles.. "WINNING isnt Part of the Plan".. tease the fans to keep them drinking the sellout koolaide!!

10 million dollar cap hits arent in many teams plans for winning

KoryMac5
03-03-2008, 11:22 PM
10 million dollar cap hits arent in many teams plans for winning

Especially not for a guy who is going to be cut in June. With the Bengals signing Odom today and swinging and missing on two DT's, I would speculate that they now have their sights set on moving up in the draft.

Bip Roberts
03-03-2008, 11:35 PM
Especially not for a guy who is going to be cut in June. With the Bengals signing Odom today and swinging and missing on two DT's, I would speculate that they now have their sights set on moving up in the draft.

I have always thought even if they got one of the DTs they were going to try to move up for another D line man. they really need to get into the top 5 some how though if they want one of the big 3-4 guys

HeatherC1212
03-03-2008, 11:59 PM
I don't really know how it works to move up in the draft. What options do the Bengals have in order to move up?

Bip Roberts
03-04-2008, 12:02 AM
I don't really know how it works to move up in the draft. What options do the Bengals have in order to move up?

Trade later round picks is how most teams move in the draft.

HeatherC1212
03-04-2008, 12:52 AM
Trade later round picks is how most teams move in the draft.

Can they trade one of their compensory picks or would they have to trade the actual pick? With them having two picks in the third round, it makes sense to me that they could trade that third round pick but still actually have a pick in that round due to the compensory pick. Did I figure that out right? :D

Bip Roberts
03-04-2008, 01:05 AM
Can they trade one of their compensory picks or would they have to trade the actual pick? With them having two picks in the third round, it makes sense to me that they could trade that third round pick but still actually have a pick in that round due to the compensory pick. Did I figure that out right? :D

You cant trade the comp picks but you can play the normal slotted 1-7 round picks

HeatherC1212
03-04-2008, 01:25 AM
You cant trade the comp picks but you can play the normal slotted 1-7 round picks

That's what I thought. Thanks for answering my questions! :)

Bip Roberts
03-04-2008, 01:32 AM
That's what I thought. Thanks for answering my questions! :)

;)

Joseph
03-04-2008, 12:25 PM
Marvin said today during the Odom presser that the Robertson deals not dead yet.

KoryMac5
03-04-2008, 12:45 PM
Marvin said today during the Odom presser that the Robertson deals not dead yet.

I would imagine him getting cut in the near future has something to do with that. His agent is probably looking for a better deal at the moment and may come back to the Bengals if he doesn't find it.

Bip Roberts
03-04-2008, 12:50 PM
I would imagine him getting cut in the near future has something to do with that. His agent is probably looking for a better deal at the moment and may come back to the Bengals if he doesn't find it.

He wont get cut until june the last I saw anything

Joseph
03-04-2008, 12:51 PM
Yeah, June would be the cut, but I think Kory is saying that Robertson might test out a few other offers first and if they don't meet the Bengals offer, then they'll revisit the negotiations.