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membengal
03-05-2008, 11:09 AM
Per Trent:


Freel cf
Hatteberg 1b---now clarified as dh
Phillips 2b
Encarnacion 3b
Votto 1b
Castro ss
Drew T. Anderson lf
Cabrera rf
Bako c
Bailey p

ETA: Presumably one of those 1b will be the DH...

Not exactly a murderers row offense making the trip down I-75. Mr. Bailey and his alleged attitude on the mound.

Red Sox line-up far more loaded. Good luck, Homer:


Dustin Pedrola 2B
Kevin Youkilis 1B
Jason Varitek DH
Manny Ramirez LF
Mike Lowell 3B
J.D. Drew RF
Julio Lugo SS
Jonathan Van Avery CF
Kevin Cash C

Jon Lester P

membengal
03-05-2008, 11:11 AM
Also, the game is on WEEI, so anyone with mlb.com audio is good to go.

BRM
03-05-2008, 11:11 AM
You gotta love that bottom half of the order. Then again, Drew T and Cabrera have been raking so far this spring.

dabvu2498
03-05-2008, 11:14 AM
Two first basemen!!! YES!!!

BRM
03-05-2008, 11:14 AM
Two first basemen!!! YES!!!

It's going to be a little crowded over there.

NC Reds
03-05-2008, 11:19 AM
I know this is an overreaction on my part, but why give Juan Castro at bats over Janish or Keppinger? The thought of Castro starting opening day makes me want to vomit.

cumberlandreds
03-05-2008, 11:32 AM
It's going to be a little crowded over there.

Nothing will get through the right side today. :)

redsfan30
03-05-2008, 11:32 AM
I believe this game is going to be shown on NESN for anyone who gets it.

cumberlandreds
03-05-2008, 11:59 AM
I believe this game is going to be shown on NESN for anyone who gets it.

The Red Sox website didn't list any TV for this one and I didn't see it in my DISH guide last night.

membengal
03-05-2008, 12:03 PM
Looking through the press notes for the Reds on mlb.com, looks like Cueto is getting the start Friday night against the Pirates, for what it's worth.

blumj
03-05-2008, 12:22 PM
I believe this game is going to be shown on NESN for anyone who gets it.
No, NESN, in their infinite wisdom, is giving us another chance to watch last night's Bruins loss.

membengal
03-05-2008, 12:40 PM
Have to go to lunch soon, and I still don't see update line-ups for the Red Sox, so I apologize in advance if I do not get them edited and added to my initial post in the thread.

It does appear that Jon Lester is pitching for Boston to start the day.

jojo
03-05-2008, 12:46 PM
It's going to be a little crowded over there.

Maybe one can play shortstop.

BRM
03-05-2008, 12:49 PM
Maybe one can play shortstop.

No need. The incomparable Manos de Oro is there today.

jojo
03-05-2008, 12:57 PM
No need. The incomparable Manos de Oro is there today.

Hence the hilarity of the suggestion...... :cool:

BRM
03-05-2008, 01:01 PM
Hence the hilarity of the suggestion...... :cool:

Oh, I knew you were joking around. I just wanted to give you a friendly reminder that no one can take Castro's spot. He's a defensive whiz.

blumj
03-05-2008, 01:17 PM
Boston.com has Hatteberg at DH, Votto at 1B.
Here's the Red Sox Lineup:

Dustin Pedroia-2B
Kevin Youkilis-1B
Jason Varitek-DH
Manny Ramirez-LF
Mike Lowell-3B
JD Drew-RF
Julio Lugo-SS
Jonathan Van Every-CF
Kevin Cash-C
Jon Lester-P

Screwball
03-05-2008, 01:37 PM
Boston.com has Hatteberg at DH, Votto at 1B.
Here's the Red Sox Lineup:

Dustin Pedroia-2B
Kevin Youkilis-1B
Jason Varitek-DH
Manny Ramirez-LF
Mike Lowell-3B
JD Drew-RF
Julio Lugo-SS
Jonathan Van Every-CF
Kevin Cash-C
Jon Lester-P

Well, there's no Papi, but Homer should get a pretty good challenge from this group, even if it is only ST.

membengal
03-05-2008, 01:47 PM
Yeah, finally was able to edit the initial post on the thread.

Homer will def be getting a test.

traderumor
03-05-2008, 01:52 PM
Boston.com has Hatteberg at DH, Votto at 1B.
Here's the Red Sox Lineup:

Dustin Pedroia-2B
Kevin Youkilis-1B
Jason Varitek-DH
Manny Ramirez-LF
Mike Lowell-3B
JD Drew-RF
Julio Lugo-SS
Jonathan Van Every-CF
Kevin Cash-C
Jon Lester-P
Geesh, the Reds run out their A lineup and the Red Sox use these bunch of scrubs ;)

kbrake
03-05-2008, 01:56 PM
Homer will def be getting a test.

I know enough so that I decided to buy gameday audio. Only $15 but I really hope I get more use out of it then just a spring training game. Just want to hear how Bailey does against a real solid lineup.

cumberlandreds
03-05-2008, 02:08 PM
Freel an infield single and Hat follows him up with a line drive single.

cumberlandreds
03-05-2008, 02:09 PM
3-2-5-3, BP hits into your typical DP.

cumberlandreds
03-05-2008, 02:11 PM
EE grounds out to 3rd to end the 1st. Don't know how long I can do this today. Work has been heating up recently. So someone else may want to update.

cumberlandreds
03-05-2008, 02:13 PM
Pedrioa lines out to LF.

kbrake
03-05-2008, 02:15 PM
I have a class at 1:30 or I would take over for ya cumberland sorry.

cumberlandreds
03-05-2008, 02:16 PM
Homer strikes out Varitek to end the 1st. 1-2-3 inning for Homer.

cumberlandreds
03-05-2008, 02:20 PM
Votto K's looking.

cumberlandreds
03-05-2008, 02:22 PM
Castro grounds out. Two away.

cumberlandreds
03-05-2008, 02:23 PM
Drew T. Anderson doubles. Included the initial so we don't get our Drew Andersons mixed up.

cumberlandreds
03-05-2008, 02:26 PM
Cabrera singles in Anderson and Reds lead it 1-0.

Raisor
03-05-2008, 02:27 PM
For someone with no chance at making the team, Castro sure is getting a bunch of PA's this spring.

BRM
03-05-2008, 02:29 PM
Here is C. Trent's summary of Homer's 1st inning:



Homer didn't necessarily look great in the first inning, but he only threw 9 pitches and got two fly outs -- one that's probably not made by the everyday left fielder -- both of which were hit pretty hard. He got Varitek to K on a high hard one.

BRM
03-05-2008, 02:30 PM
For someone with no chance at making the team, Castro sure is getting a bunch of PA's this spring.

Maybe they are showcasing him for a trade...

lollipopcurve
03-05-2008, 02:31 PM
Which Anderson is Drew T? If it's the guy they claimed from Milwaukee, he's had a helluva spring so far. Whole Bear too.

cumberlandreds
03-05-2008, 02:34 PM
Bako walks and then Freel makes Lester get his work in for the day and grounds out to end the inning.

cumberlandreds
03-05-2008, 02:38 PM
Ramirez flies out to deep LF.

cumberlandreds
03-05-2008, 02:39 PM
Lowell bloops in a single to CF.

cumberlandreds
03-05-2008, 02:40 PM
JD Drew lines a single into LF. Two on one out. Drews single and ramirez's out were hard hit according to Sox Announcers.

cumberlandreds
03-05-2008, 02:41 PM
Another hit and the bases are loaded.

cumberlandreds
03-05-2008, 02:42 PM
Red Sox announcer now trying to trade Coco Crisp to the Reds. Not another CF,I hope.

membengal
03-05-2008, 02:43 PM
We're full up of CFers.

cumberlandreds
03-05-2008, 02:43 PM
Next hitter K's. Sorry didn't get his name.

registerthis
03-05-2008, 02:44 PM
Homer not looking so hot right now.

cumberlandreds
03-05-2008, 02:47 PM
Homer got hit fairly hard that inning. Red Sox lead 2-1.

Chip R
03-05-2008, 02:48 PM
Homer not looking so hot right now.


That groin injury flare up again? ;)

WMR
03-05-2008, 02:49 PM
For someone with no chance at making the team, Castro sure is getting a bunch of PA's this spring.

:ughmamoru

membengal
03-05-2008, 02:49 PM
Homer not looking so hot right now.

Oh good lord. He did fine. He's got a few Ks, no walks, and allowed four singles.

Really, this board has lost its head in a rush to hate a fine prospect.

PuffyPig
03-05-2008, 02:52 PM
Oh good lord. He did fine. He's got a few Ks, no walks, and allowed four singles.

Really, this board has lost its head in a rush to hate a fine prospect.

Based on a pitchers ability to only control K's, walks and HR's allowed, 4 singles over 2 inning shouldn't worry to many. I doubt he has a .500 BABIP all season.

Though I know using BABIP over a few innings is essentially meaningless. But I'd be more worried if Bailey was walking guys and giving up HR's.

dougdirt
03-05-2008, 02:53 PM
Its early. For right now he has 4ip, 5 hits, 2 walks, 2 runs and 3 strikeouts.

Also, that hit that plated the two runs, according to C Trent, had it not hit Bailey in the butt, would have been an out.

cumberlandreds
03-05-2008, 02:55 PM
Youklis walks.

BRM
03-05-2008, 02:55 PM
C. Trent is also saying he's getting hit pretty hard for the most part. He's working ahead in the count though, not falling behind any hitters.

cumberlandreds
03-05-2008, 02:56 PM
Varitek flies out to deep LF.

MrCinatit
03-05-2008, 02:57 PM
Its early. For right now he has 4ip, 5 hits, 2 walks, 2 runs and 3 strikeouts.

Also, that hit that plated the two runs, according to C Trent, had it not hit Bailey in the butt, would have been an out.

So, if he didn't have such a big butt, he would have been out of the inning. :p:

registerthis
03-05-2008, 03:05 PM
Oh good lord. He did fine. He's got a few Ks, no walks, and allowed four singles.

Oh good lord. It's one comment--an accurate one--made in a spring training game thread. I don't "hate" Homer Bailey--in fact, if you look up my posts on this board you wouldn't find a single negative thing I've written about him.

Lighten up.

cumberlandreds
03-05-2008, 03:05 PM
Votto dribbles out to the mound.

dougdirt
03-05-2008, 03:06 PM
Reds back at the plate? What happened there in the 3rd with Bailey on the mound outside of the flyout?

cumberlandreds
03-05-2008, 03:06 PM
Wow! Castro makes an out! Who would have thunk it?

cumberlandreds
03-05-2008, 03:07 PM
Reds back at the plate? What happened there in the 3rd with Bailey on the mound outside of the flyout?
Sorry work took over. I missed it.

membengal
03-05-2008, 03:07 PM
Sorry, register, but in light of the weirdness about his supposed attitude in other threads, and the continuing exigesis on all things Homer groin, etc., it is hard to remember who is serious about that stuff and who is not.

I just think that a certain subset of this board has gone to crazy-land over Bailey and spends way too much time parsing minutiae with him that it doesn't with other prospects.

cumberlandreds
03-05-2008, 03:08 PM
1-2-3 inning for Sawks.

BRM
03-05-2008, 03:08 PM
C. Trent's 3rd inning roundup.



Like the first inning, Homer got behind Youkilis, but unlike the first, he was unable to come back. He walked him on four pitches. Homer's not been real good from the stretch this spring. One thing I noticed that I liked, Youkilis tried to dance off first, stutter and do all sorts of stuff to distract Homer while he was facing Manny. Homer didn't budge. He then threw over on the next pitch after Manny fouled one off. Guys weren't missing much against Homer. Dusty had said he expected Homer to go three today, followed by Volquez. Red Sox 2, Redlegs 1

dougdirt
03-05-2008, 03:08 PM
Bailey sounded like he was off his game today. 0 GB outs and 7 FB outs. Not typical. Wonder if he was keeping the ball up in the zone a lot?

WMR
03-05-2008, 03:09 PM
Manos de Outo

membengal
03-05-2008, 03:10 PM
As I understand it, his toxic attitude to John Fay and Hal McCoy caused his pitches to elevate. Later, he didn't smile at a passer-by, and the ensuing bad vibes led to the ball hitting him in the butt that plated two.

Kc61
03-05-2008, 03:11 PM
Oh good lord. He did fine. He's got a few Ks, no walks, and allowed four singles.

Really, this board has lost its head in a rush to hate a fine prospect.

I call it the Redszone spin. Some guys can do no wrong. Some guys can do no right. A few guys can do no wrong at first, then they can do no right. Homer is in that category now.

Juan Castro can do no right.

Matt Belisle can do no wrong.

If you come from another organization and are an older player, you generally can do no right.

If you come up through the Reds system and are young, you generally can do no wrong.

If you have a good OBP, you can do no wrong.

If speed is your best asset, you can do no right.

If a pitcher has good minor league perhipherals, he can do no wrong.

Homer pitched today, he can do no right.

Cueto pitches Friday, he can do no wrong.

I'm wondering about Volquez. When they got him in the trade he could do no wrong. Now I'm thinking, maybe, he can do no right.

We'll see.

cumberlandreds
03-05-2008, 03:12 PM
Cora with soft single to start the Sawks 4th.

dougdirt
03-05-2008, 03:13 PM
Sorry work took over. I missed it.

I wasn't getting on you, so not a problem, just curious as to what happened.

lollipopcurve
03-05-2008, 03:13 PM
Homer is 21/22 this year. Belisle is 27/28. So far, Homer's had a better ST. Let's give the kid a break. He's got to build on the positives. In this game, 15 hitters, 1 walk. He was throwing strikes against a very tough lineup, and he never really gave up "the big hit."

lollipopcurve
03-05-2008, 03:14 PM
I call it the Redszone spin. Some guys can do no wrong. Some guys can do no right. A few guys can do no wrong at first, then they can do no right. Homer is in that category now.

Juan Castro can do no right.

Matt Belisle can do no wrong.

If you come from another organization and are an older player, you generally can do no right.

If you come up through the Reds system and are young, you generally can do no wrong.

If you have a good OBP, you can do no wrong.

If speed is your best asset, you can do no right.

If a pitcher has good minor league perhipherals, he can do no wrong.

Homer pitched today, he can do no right.

Cueto pitches Friday, he can do no wrong.


Great post.

cumberlandreds
03-05-2008, 03:15 PM
Another trickling single. Two hits but not hard one's.

cumberlandreds
03-05-2008, 03:18 PM
The Sawks announcers are anticipating a Sox/Cubs World Series. Sox maybe but not the Cubs. They're cursed.

BRM
03-05-2008, 03:18 PM
Final line on Bailey -- 3 IP, 5 hits, 2 runs, 2 ER, 1 bb, 2 Ks -- 42 pitches, 28 strikes.

KoryMac5
03-05-2008, 03:18 PM
Red Sox announcer now trying to trade Coco Crisp to the Reds. Not another CF,I hope.

Olney mentioned this on his insider column, don't know the specifics as I don't subscribe. Here is a partial account from Mlbtraderumors.com:


Buster Olney says the Red Sox and A's are still discussing Coco Crisp.
Olney also notes that "talent evaluators say the Reds have demonstrated a clear willingness to deal Homer Bailey."

cumberlandreds
03-05-2008, 03:19 PM
Olney mentioned this on his insider column, don't know the specifics as I don't subscribe. Here is a partial account from Mlbtraderumors.com:

Oh yea, Bailey for Crisp. No brainer trade. :rolleyes:

cumberlandreds
03-05-2008, 03:20 PM
Volquez comes back to end the inning with a K. No runs. 2-1 Sox.

WMR
03-05-2008, 03:25 PM
:lol: :lol: :lol: Homer Bailey for Coco Crisp!!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

GOOD ONE!!!!

dougdirt
03-05-2008, 03:26 PM
Good inning by Volquez. Wonder if he is going to be going 3ip as well today?

cumberlandreds
03-05-2008, 03:29 PM
Manny Del Carmen baffles the Reds for a quick easy inning.

BRM
03-05-2008, 03:30 PM
Good inning by Volquez. Wonder if he is going to be going 3ip as well today?

Dusty says he's going 2 innings today, according to Rosecrans.

registerthis
03-05-2008, 03:31 PM
Sorry, register, but in light of the weirdness about his supposed attitude in other threads, and the continuing exigesis on all things Homer groin, etc., it is hard to remember who is serious about that stuff and who is not.

Mine was simply a comment that Homer wasn't blowing 'em away. Nothing more, nothing less.

cumberlandreds
03-05-2008, 03:32 PM
Youklis lines a single into LF. He's worn out from that run to first and is replaced by someone named Moss.

dougdirt
03-05-2008, 03:34 PM
Youklis lines a single into LF. He's worn out from that run to first and is replaced by someone named Moss.

Likely Brandon, not Randy. :D

cumberlandreds
03-05-2008, 03:35 PM
varitek K's on a change up.

cumberlandreds
03-05-2008, 03:36 PM
Ramirez singles. Lowell up. Tatum took over catching as Bako was shaken up on a foul tip.

cumberlandreds
03-05-2008, 03:41 PM
Volquez get s the next two the last on a K and get sout of the jam. Good job by Volquez.

flyer85
03-05-2008, 03:43 PM
It is really nice to know that the Reds have a few power arms that could be put to good use this season ... in the past the upper minors and major league club have generally been loaded with soft tossers.

cumberlandreds
03-05-2008, 03:53 PM
Andy Phillips triples in three runs! 4-2 Reds.

BRM
03-05-2008, 03:54 PM
Andy Phillips triples in three runs! 4-2 Reds.

He's going to make a fine addition to the Louisville roster.

cumberlandreds
03-05-2008, 03:54 PM
cabrera drives in another run. It's 5-2 Reds and still batting.

Kc61
03-05-2008, 03:55 PM
Surprised Volquez didn't get a third inning today. Wonder if he's going to be a reliever this year.

BRM
03-05-2008, 03:57 PM
Surprised Volquez didn't get a third inning today. Wonder if he's going to be a reliever this year.

I think it's possible he starts the year in the pen.

cumberlandreds
03-05-2008, 03:59 PM
Another run in and it's 6-2 Reds still in the 6th. This will wrap it up for me today. I'll leave this fun to the rest of you.

flyer85
03-05-2008, 04:03 PM
I think it's possible he starts the year in the pen.entirely possible that the rotation could be Harang/Arroyo/Belisle/Affeldt/Fogg to start the season.

dougdirt
03-05-2008, 04:04 PM
Another run in and it's 6-2 Reds still in the 6th. This will wrap it up for me today. I'll leave this fun to the rest of you.

Thanks for all that you did! :thumbup:

BRM
03-05-2008, 04:09 PM
entirely possible that the rotation could be Harang/Arroyo/Belisle/Affeldt/Fogg to start the season.

That's what I'd put my money on, if I was a bettin' man.

edabbs44
03-05-2008, 04:10 PM
I call it the Redszone spin. Some guys can do no wrong. Some guys can do no right. A few guys can do no wrong at first, then they can do no right. Homer is in that category now.

Juan Castro can do no right.

Matt Belisle can do no wrong.

If you come from another organization and are an older player, you generally can do no right.

If you come up through the Reds system and are young, you generally can do no wrong.

If you have a good OBP, you can do no wrong.

If speed is your best asset, you can do no right.

If a pitcher has good minor league perhipherals, he can do no wrong.

Homer pitched today, he can do no right.

Cueto pitches Friday, he can do no wrong.

I'm wondering about Volquez. When they got him in the trade he could do no wrong. Now I'm thinking, maybe, he can do no right.

We'll see.

:clap:

edabbs44
03-05-2008, 04:11 PM
entirely possible that the rotation could be Harang/Arroyo/Belisle/Affeldt/Fogg to start the season.

Entirely possible that this isn't the year to start printing those playoff tickets as well.

BRM
03-05-2008, 04:14 PM
Volquez out after 2 1/3 IP. Mike Lincoln in. Also, Javy Valentin now playing 1B.

Chip R
03-05-2008, 04:14 PM
Also, Javy Valentin now playing 1B.


Be afraid. Be very afraid. :eek:

BRM
03-05-2008, 04:15 PM
Entirely possible that this isn't the year to start printing those playoff tickets as well.

You don't think Josh Fogg will shock the world and win 20 games?

BRM
03-05-2008, 04:18 PM
Lots of changes for the Redlegs.

Dickerson is now in CF. Andy Green at 2B. Rosales at 3B. Janish at SS. Andy Phillips in LF. Griffin in RF. Tatum catching.

WrongVerb
03-05-2008, 04:25 PM
You don't think Josh Fogg will shock the world and win 20 games?

Ask FCB if he'd bet his first born son on it. :D

M2
03-05-2008, 04:44 PM
Good job by Volquez.

Why must you insult Homer Bailey like that? It's clear what you're trying to say there.

dabvu2498
03-05-2008, 04:51 PM
Lots of changes for the Redlegs.

Dickerson is now in CF. Andy Green at 2B. Rosales at 3B. Janish at SS. Andy Phillips in LF. Griffin in RF. Tatum catching.

Look, honey, it's the Louisville Bats!!!

BRM
03-05-2008, 04:56 PM
Pawtucket put up 3 runs against Lincoln. It's 7-5 Reds...errr Bats. Bottom of the 7th.

BRM
03-05-2008, 05:09 PM
Pettyjohn came in for Lincoln but couldn't stop the bleeding. It's 7-6 Louisville after 7.

WVRedsFan
03-05-2008, 05:10 PM
Pawtucket put up 3 runs against Lincoln. It's 7-5 Reds...errr Bats. Bottom of the 7th.

Who's pitching or did I miss it?

BRM
03-05-2008, 05:11 PM
Who's pitching or did I miss it?

Lincoln and Pettyjohn combined to get rocked in the 7th.

Raisor
03-05-2008, 05:19 PM
Lincoln and Pettyjohn combined to get rocked in the 7th.


Sounds like a British expedition to the Congo or something.

BRM
03-05-2008, 05:20 PM
Tom Shearn pitched a scoreless 8th. Still 7-6 after 8 complete.

lollipopcurve
03-05-2008, 05:21 PM
Sounds like a British expedition to the Congo or something.

I lived in the Congo for a year. I got rocked too.

Chip R
03-05-2008, 05:23 PM
Tom Shearn pitched a scoreless 8th. Still 7-6 after 8 complete.


Haven't heard much about him this spring. A few months ago he was being touted as a possible #3 starter.

Joseph
03-05-2008, 05:25 PM
Haven't heard much about him this spring. A few months ago he was being touted as a possible #3 starter.

#3 in Louisville....maybe...at least now.

BRM
03-05-2008, 05:27 PM
Josh Roenicke is pitching the 9th.

Chip R
03-05-2008, 05:28 PM
Josh Roenicke is pitching the 9th.


Sink or swim, young man.

BRM
03-05-2008, 05:33 PM
A scoreless 9th for Roenicke seals the victory.

Chip R
03-05-2008, 05:35 PM
And he swims. Congratulations, Mr. Roenicke. You may have earned a 25 man roster spot. Or at the very least earned a place on the short list of guys to be called up from LOU.

BRM
03-05-2008, 05:36 PM
I'm waiting for C. Trent to update his blog to hear how he looked. His line was 1 IP, 2 hits, and all zero's after that.

PuffyPig
03-05-2008, 05:46 PM
And he swims. Congratulations, Mr. Roenicke. You may have earned a 25 man roster spot. Or at the very least earned a place on the short list of guys to be called up from LOU.

One scoreless inning has little to do with earning a roster spot these days, especially if you are a rookie with options trying to make the jump from AA.

Chip R
03-05-2008, 05:50 PM
One scoreless inning has little to do with earning a roster spot these days, especially if you are a rookie with options trying to make the jump from AA.


Perhaps. But the Reds have blown some leads with some of these young pitchers in the late innings. I'm just saying holding a lead looks a lot better to the powers that be than blowing it.

klw
03-05-2008, 08:46 PM
I call it the Redszone spin. Some guys can do no wrong. Some guys can do no right. A few guys can do no wrong at first, then they can do no right. Homer is in that category now.

Juan Castro can do no right.

Matt Belisle can do no wrong.

If you come from another organization and are an older player, you generally can do no right.

If you come up through the Reds system and are young, you generally can do no wrong.

If you have a good OBP, you can do no wrong.

If speed is your best asset, you can do no right.

If a pitcher has good minor league perhipherals, he can do no wrong.

Homer pitched today, he can do no right.

Cueto pitches Friday, he can do no wrong.

I'm wondering about Volquez. When they got him in the trade he could do no wrong. Now I'm thinking, maybe, he can do no right.

We'll see.


You forgot that once traded from the Reds, a player can do no wrong. (see Denorfia, WMP, Hobbs)