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jaredbo
03-09-2008, 02:56 PM
As I am sitting here listening to the Reds-Rays game on WLW, I was wondering how everyone sees the Reds roster working itself out. So, I sat down and worked out my roster if I were Dusty Baker and Wayne Krivsky.

Pitchers (13) (always seem to be nice to carry an extra pitcher to begin the year)
SP A. Harang
SP B. Arroyo
SP H. Bailey
SP J. Fogg
SP J. Cueto
RP F. Cordero
RP D. Weathers
RP J. Burton
RP J. Affeldt
RP E. Volquez
RP T. Coffey
RP J. Coutlangus (only because he is the best of the rest of the left-handers)
RP M. Belisle (odd man out of rotation, long reliever to start the year)

Position players (12)
C J. Valentin*
C P. Bako
1B J. Votto*
1B S. Hatteberg
2B B. Phillips*
SS J. Keppinger*
3B E. Encarnacion*
RF K. Griffey, Jr.*
CF J. Bruce*
LF A. Dunn*
CF N. Hopper
CF/Utility R. Freel (if not traded)

*starters

DL
C D. Ross
RP B. Bray
SS A. Gonzalez

Send Down to Minors
RP G. Majewski (if he has options left)
RP M. McBeth
CF D. Anderson (if he can clear waivers)

Release
RP M. Stanton
RP S. Valenzuela (sent back to Atlanta Braves)
SS J. Castro

Again this is just my opinion. Let me know what you think.

captainmorgan07
03-09-2008, 03:31 PM
i like some of your ideas but i duno why they'd sign patterson and him not make the roster. He's yet to play a game yet so let's not pass judgement so far. Another one of my sleeper picks would be Jolbert Cabrera he has played very well so far this spring and could replace castro. I disagree with you coutlangus he's looked terrible this spring.

bubbachunk
03-09-2008, 03:35 PM
Belisle will be in the rotation to start the year i think he deserves this shot with some of his performance from last year. (at least he has experience along with potential) he would have to get rocked the majority of the time out in my eyes to not get this shot

GoReds33
03-09-2008, 04:22 PM
I would switch Fogg and Belisle. Though Fogg has done well so far, he doesn't have any potential. Belisle did bad last year, but he's got the stuff to be a good pitcher in this league. Fogg on the other hand will never be more than a #4 pitcher.

I don't see Volquez in the bullpen. I thought that they may use one of the youngsters as a long relief man, but it's looking more like it's going to be Belisle, Affeldt, or Fogg. I don't see all three making the rotation, and they didn't give Affeldt and Fogg all that money to release them, or send them to the minors.

For some reason, I still hold hope that Valenzuela will be kept in the organization. I think that the Reds will send the Braves some cash, or a PTBNL. Obviously they got him for a reason. You don't pluck somebody out of A ball for nothing. Maybe the scouts found something in this kid.

My other tidbits:
I don't see Stanton getting released till midseason. I think the Reds will give him all the shots they can to regain his old form. I still don't see that happening. He'll be gone by August though.

I think Castro will start the year on the DL. I don't think he's fully recovered from his arm injury, and the Reds may wait until he's 100% to put him on the active roster.

reds2221
03-09-2008, 04:53 PM
I agree with most of your roster, but I would sent coutlangus to AAA and keep Majewski in the majors. Also, I think that Mr. Baker is going to have Belisle start out in the rotation instead of Fogg. However, I do think that before the all star break, Fogg will have taken Belisle spot in the rotation.

jaredbo
03-09-2008, 05:30 PM
If Coutlangus, Stanton, or another lefty are still not pitching well in a few weeks, can the Reds survive with just one lefty on their pitching staff. I just don't see that happening. But I could be wrong.

AmarilloRed
03-09-2008, 06:37 PM
I don't see how Brad Salmon can be left off the 25 man roster.

gedred69
03-09-2008, 07:22 PM
Coutlangus has done nothing to earn a spot, yet it's early. Reading stats, or for that matter listening to the radio are so weak as to determining who's got what. You need to see the players in action. That said, I will be down to "WATCH" them in action starting the 14th. That is when everybody starts getting serious ready for the season. We shall see in the next 2-3 weeks who belongs and who is an imposter. I will say from this short limited time to scope the team, if Baker goes with Vets just because that's what they are in lieu of good performance from young talent, I will be extremely dissappointed. Mark Shelton said it best, "Dusty says he looks for the young talent, yet all his actions say he prefers Veterans". To which I say, Can't keep 'em on the farm forever Dusty...............

adampad
03-09-2008, 08:56 PM
All I can say is it will very interesting who comes out with the big club. It may tell us a little more about the way this year is being approached too.

GoReds33
03-09-2008, 09:03 PM
I don't see how Brad Salmon can be left off the 25 man roster.How? Salmon has talent, but it's going to be extremly hard for him to make the team. Honestly, I don't see how Salmon makes the team out of camp. It's going to take a very strong showing for him to even be considered. I think he'll end up being called up midseason. For his sake I hope he performs well enough to stay.

gedred69
03-09-2008, 09:18 PM
All I can say is it will very interesting who comes out with the big club. It may tell us a little more about the way this year is being approached too.

Well put. It will also tell us if Baker is obsessed with Vets, or is he willing to see how some of the youngins' can do given the vote of confidence of being selected to come North.

SultanOfSwing
03-09-2008, 09:36 PM
I mostly agree. I believe Volquez will make the rotation and Bailey may start in AAA. I think Bray should be recovered by then and pairing with Affeldt as the primary BP LHPs. I also definitely believe Bako will be the starting C over Valentin. The Reds will likely already be sacrificing some defense at SS and would want the best defensive catcher, IMO. By all accounts Bako is top notch defensively and at game-calling and handling.

Therefore I would predict at this point (changes are in bold):

Pitchers (13)
SP A. Harang
SP B. Arroyo
SP E. Volquez
SP J. Cueto
SP J. Fogg

RP F. Cordero
RP D. Weathers
RP J. Burton
RP J. Affeldt
RP B. Salmon
RP J. Roenicke
RP B. Bray
RP M. Belisle (although he may turn it around and switch with one of the final 3 starters)

Position players (12)
C J. Valentin
C P. Bako*1B J. Votto*
1B S. Hatteberg (I believe he will be traded-replace with a young SS/INF)
2B B. Phillips*
SS J. Keppinger*
3B E. Encarnacion*
RF K. Griffey, Jr.*
CF J. Bruce* (may go to AAA if he cools off)
LF A. Dunn*
CF C. Patterson (may start if Bruce doesn't keep it up)
CF/Utility R. Freel (I believe he will be traded-replace with Hopper)
*starters

DL
C D. Ross
SS A. Gonzalez

Send Down to Minors
RP G. Majewski
RP M. McBeth
CF D. Anderson
SP H. Bailey
RP S. Valenzuela (negotiation with Braves)

Release
RP M. Stanton
SS J. Castro

AmarilloRed
03-09-2008, 11:07 PM
How? Salmon has talent, but it's going to be extremly hard for him to make the team. Honestly, I don't see how Salmon makes the team out of camp. It's going to take a very strong showing for him to even be considered. I think he'll end up being called up midseason. For his sake I hope he performs well enough to stay.

He was one of the best relievers last year, and he has been impressive so far this year in spring training. If there really are 13 pitchers to break camp, there is no reason why he should not go north ahead of the rest of the competition.

The competition to make the bullpen will be awfully intense and it is possible he could start the year in Louisville.He has done very well against major league competition, so I expect he would make it back to Cincinnati a lot sooner than midseason.

GoReds33
03-09-2008, 11:13 PM
He was one of the best relievers last year, and he has been impressive so far this year in spring training. If there really are 13 pitchers to break camp, there is no reason why he should not go north ahead of the rest of the competition.

The competition to make the bullpen will be awfully intense and it is possible he could start the year in Louisville.He has done very well against major league competition, so I expect he would make it back to Cincinnati a lot sooner than midseason.I really hope you're right, I just don't see it happening. He throws hard, which was something we didn't have last year. This year that's not going to be as hard to find. He put up a 4.13 era, so that's certainly respectable. Hopefully more players like him will make the likes of Stanton and Coffey expendable.

AmarilloRed
03-09-2008, 11:22 PM
I mostly agree. I believe Volquez will make the rotation and Bailey may start in AAA. I think Bray should be recovered by then and pairing with Affeldt as the primary BP LHPs. I also definitely believe Bako will be the starting C over Valentin. The Reds will likely already be sacrificing some defense at SS and would want the best defensive catcher, IMO. By all accounts Bako is top notch defensively and at game-calling and handling.

Therefore I would predict at this point (changes are in bold):

Pitchers (13)
SP A. Harang
SP B. Arroyo
SP E. Volquez
SP J. Cueto
SP J. Fogg

RP F. Cordero
RP D. Weathers
RP J. Burton
RP J. Affeldt
RP B. Salmon
RP J. Roenicke
RP B. Bray
RP M. Belisle (although he may turn it around and switch with one of the final 3 starters)

Position players (12)
C J. Valentin
C P. Bako*1B J. Votto*
1B S. Hatteberg (I believe he will be traded-replace with a young SS/INF)
2B B. Phillips*
SS J. Keppinger*
3B E. Encarnacion*
RF K. Griffey, Jr.*
CF J. Bruce* (may go to AAA if he cools off)
LF A. Dunn*
CF C. Patterson (may start if Bruce doesn't keep it up)
CF/Utility R. Freel (I believe he will be traded-replace with Hopper)
*starters

DL
C D. Ross
SS A. Gonzalez

Send Down to Minors
RP G. Majewski
RP M. McBeth
CF D. Anderson
SP H. Bailey
RP S. Valenzuela (negotiation with Braves)

Release
RP M. Stanton
SS J. Castro

A very good list. We can all have faith that Dusty will decide to come north with this group, but we will see. I would imagine Cueto would need to continue to have a strong showing in spring training to make the rotation. I am not sure the Braves would be willing to negotiate with the Reds about Valenzuela, especially since they would get him back if he is not on the roster the whole year(barring injury). The Reds also have shown no inclination that they intend to release either Stanton or Castro, but it is certainly possible.

captainmorgan07
03-09-2008, 11:52 PM
If im Dusy the 25 players i take nort are a starting rotation of
1. Harang
2. Arroyo
3. Belisle
4. Volquez
5. Cueto
Homer needs some more seasoning in Louisville especially with his control and continueing to use all of his pitches.
Bullpen
Cordero,Weathers, Burton, Affedlt, Majewski, Bray, Roenicke, and Fogg as the long man.

Position Players
Votto
Hatteberg
B. Phillips
Kepp
Ede
Dunn
Jr.
Hopper
Bruce
Valentin
Ross
Cabrera
Im keeping cabrera because i think freel will get dealt sometime here before the end of spring training. There's no need for him on this team. Cabrera can play all the positions freel could play. Coutlangus and salmon both get sent to louisville but i'd be telling them not to unpack their things to quickly incase of injury or bad outings. Fogg i think gets traded or becomes the long man in the bullpen. Their not just going to eat his one million in salary.

Reds Fan Chris
03-11-2008, 11:10 PM
As I am sitting here listening to the Reds-Rays game on WLW, I was wondering how everyone sees the Reds roster working itself out. So, I sat down and worked out my roster if I were Dusty Baker and Wayne Krivsky.

Pitchers (13) (always seem to be nice to carry an extra pitcher to begin the year)
SP A. Harang
SP B. Arroyo
SP H. Bailey
SP J. Fogg
SP J. Cueto
RP F. Cordero
RP D. Weathers
RP J. Burton
RP J. Affeldt
RP E. Volquez
RP T. Coffey
RP J. Coutlangus (only because he is the best of the rest of the left-handers)
RP M. Belisle (odd man out of rotation, long reliever to start the year)

Position players (12)
C J. Valentin*
C P. Bako
1B J. Votto*
1B S. Hatteberg
2B B. Phillips*
SS J. Keppinger*
3B E. Encarnacion*
RF K. Griffey, Jr.*
CF J. Bruce*
LF A. Dunn*
CF N. Hopper
CF/Utility R. Freel (if not traded)

*starters

DL
C D. Ross
RP B. Bray
SS A. Gonzalez

Send Down to Minors
RP G. Majewski (if he has options left)
RP M. McBeth
CF D. Anderson (if he can clear waivers)

Release
RP M. Stanton
RP S. Valenzuela (sent back to Atlanta Braves)
SS J. Castro

Again this is just my opinion. Let me know what you think.

I could go for this. Seems pretty solid.

AmarilloRed
03-12-2008, 01:26 AM
My 25 man list:

SP: Aaron Harang
Bronson Arroyo
Edinson Volquez
Matt Belisle
Johnny Cueto

RP: Cordero
Weathers
Burton
Salmon
Coffey
Roenicke
Bray
Affeldt/Fogg-whichever is better

Infield Starters:
1B-Joey Votto
2B- Brandon Phillips
3B- Edwin
SS- Keppinger

Infield Reserves- Hatteberg
Freel

Catchers: Paul Bako
Javier Valentin

Starting Outfielders: Ken Griffey
Jay Bruce
Adam Dunn

Outfield Reserves: Norris Hopper

On DL: David Ross, Alex Gonzalez

Released: Juan Castro, Mike Stanton

mlbfan30
03-12-2008, 02:08 AM
My 25 man list:

SP: Aaron Harang
Bronson Arroyo
Edinson Volquez
Matt Belisle
Johnny Cueto

RP: Cordero
Weathers
Burton
Salmon
Coffey
Roenicke
Bray
Affeldt/Fogg-whichever is better

Infield Starters:
1B-Joey Votto
2B- Brandon Phillips
3B- Edwin
SS- Keppinger

Infield Reserves- Hatteberg
Freel

Catchers: Paul Bako
Javier Valentin

Starting Outfielders: Ken Griffey
Jay Bruce
Adam Dunn

Outfield Reserves: Norris Hopper

On DL: David Ross, Alex Gonzalez

Released: Juan Castro, Mike Stanton

That looks good. The only thing is that Bray's on the DL and we have both Affeldt and Fogg in RP with Fogg in the long relief role. Catcher is so weak with Ross on the DL. It needs to be upgraded if Ross appears to have chronic back troubles.
I'm not as high on Bray as other people. He's always had control problems and is very hittable. But he's still better than almost any other Lefty RP we have. Coffey's good enough to be given another chance. Magic is a lot worse than Coffee. Salmon is similar to Coffee in terms of moving between AAA and MLB, but he has enough upside. I might have McBeth instead of him, but it's not a big difference. Roenicke HAS to make this team and I think he can become that dominating 7th inning get out of jams type guy, along with Burton. I don't think it would hurt to have 12 pitchers and add a guy like Rosales as a RH pinch hitter/UTL player.

tommycash
03-12-2008, 02:15 PM
Even though we all want Stanton released, I don't think it will happen. At least not until after a month or so go by.

AmarilloRed
03-12-2008, 02:22 PM
That looks good. The only thing is that Bray's on the DL and we have both Affeldt and Fogg in RP with Fogg in the long relief role. Catcher is so weak with Ross on the DL. It needs to be upgraded if Ross appears to have chronic back troubles.
I'm not as high on Bray as other people. He's always had control problems and is very hittable. But he's still better than almost any other Lefty RP we have. Coffey's good enough to be given another chance. Magic is a lot worse than Coffee. Salmon is similar to Coffee in terms of moving between AAA and MLB, but he has enough upside. I might have McBeth instead of him, but it's not a big difference. Roenicke HAS to make this team and I think he can become that dominating 7th inning get out of jams type guy, along with Burton. I don't think it would hurt to have 12 pitchers and add a guy like Rosales as a RH pinch hitter/UTL player.

Bill Bray is scheduled to make an appearance today, and we will see how healthy he is. If healthy, he should be good enough to make the roster. I have Salmon as considerably better than McBeth, but it is certainly debatable. I think McBeth needs to work on his control in AAA, while Salmon showed he could handle MLB hitters last year. As for Affeldt and Fogg, it simply may not be possible to carry both of them on the roster. We signed both of them as insurance in case the kids weren't ready, but it seems like at least some of them might be ready. That might lead to one of them being released before Opening Day or sent down to AAA.

_Sir_Charles_
03-12-2008, 04:39 PM
Pitchers (13) (always seem to be nice to carry an extra pitcher to begin the year)
SP A. Harang
SP B. Arroyo
SP H. Bailey ~While I really like Homer, he hasn't proved he belongs in the bigs right now...he'll start in AAA without a doubt.
SP J. Fogg~another solid pitcher, but with the way Cueto and Volquez are throwing, he's a number 5 starter.
SP J. CuetoDefinitely coming north and in the rotation, currently somewhere between a #3 or 4.
RP F. Cordero
RP D. Weathers
RP J. Burton
RP J. Affeldt~another guy I really like, but with our shortage of lefties in the pen and the two youngsters stepping up, he's shifted to the pen without a doubt.
RP E. Volquez~I agree with most people that he CAN succeed in the pen, but he's certainly earned the right to be in the rotation. His performance has warranted a #3 or 4 spot. Definitely coming north.
RP T. Coffey
RP J. Coutlangus ~certainly hasn't impressed, but with lefty shortage, he's got a decent shot of making the trip north. I'm still on the fence with Cout.
RP M. Belisle~all of the talk about him guarenteed a rotation spot is a bit exaggerated IMO. He's decent now, and has to potential to be excellent...but in a spring of competition, he's fallen behind considerably. Long man in the pen with Affeldt.

Position players (12)
C J. Valentin*
C P. Bako
1B J. Votto*
1B S. Hatteberg
2B B. Phillips*
SS J. Keppinger*
3B E. Encarnacion*
RF K. Griffey, Jr.*
CF J. Bruce*
LF A. Dunn*
CF N. Hopper
CF/Utility R. Freel Will be traded.

*starters

DL
C D. Ross
RP B. Bray ~if not on the DL, then Coutlangus gets the AAA treatment and Bray's in the Bigs.
SS A. Gonzalez

Send Down to Minors
RP G. Majewski (if he has options left)
RP M. McBeth
CF D. Anderson (if he can clear waivers)

Release
RP M. Stanton
RP S. Valenzuela (sent back to Atlanta Braves)
SS J. Castro

Again this is just my opinion. Let me know what you think.

Other than a few minor changes (as I've added in bold) I'd say you're pretty close to spot on. The arguments about Fogg and Affeldt being in the rotation because of their contracts is a bit exaggerated I think. They are insurance policies for the youngsters. But both Cueto and Volquez have stepped up and proven that they deserve a shot...NOW, not later. So for now Affeldt is a long man and spot starter and Fogg is a #4 or more likely a #5 starter. The only real difference between them is that we have a big need for a lefty in the pen...so Fogg gets the edge for the rotation.

While I'd personally like to see a rotation of:
Harang
Arroyo
Volquez
Cueto
Bailey

it probably won't happen this year. But one can still dream. :O)

If Freel IS traded before spring ends, then I'd like to see Janish come north as a defensive backup to Keppinger at SS. There are several others that are VERY close calls though. Rosales, Roenicke, Cabrerra, Salmon, Phillips and Thompson have all impressed me and they could all get callups during the season.

chettt
03-13-2008, 02:21 PM
Reds Opening Day Roster:

Starting Rotation:
Aaron Harang
Bronson Arroyo
Matt Belisle
Josh Fogg
Jerremy Affeldt


Bullpen:
Coco Codero
David Weathers
Todd Coffey
Jared Burton
Jose Capellan
Bill Bray
Mike Stanton

Freel/Hopper/Patterson cf
Jeff Keppinger ss
Ken Griffey, Jr. rf
Brandon Phillips 2b
Adam Dunn lf
Edwin Encarnacion 3b
Joey Votto 1b
Javy Valentin c

Paul Bako
Ryan Freel
Scott Hatteberg (traded to make room for Patterson)

Bailey, Cueto & Bruce all to Louisville

Cueto & Bruce to Reds by May 1

Freel will be traded to make room for Bruce
Stanton will be released to make room for Cueto

NOT MY ROSTER, ONLY MY PREDICTIONS

jnwohio
03-14-2008, 01:51 AM
13 pitchers is too many to start with when they have all of the early off days and tough decisions that need to be made with position players who don't have options while about all of the serious pitching candidates do have options. The excess younger pitchers would be better served by working in AAA instead of sitting with the big team. The team will be better served by using one or two of those spots which may eventaully go to pitchers to buy time on their position player decisons.

I see Cueto and Bailey as starters only probably one in Cincy and one in AAA to start the year. Right now it looks like Cueto in Cincy; but is he even a 40 man roster guy yet? That could figure into the decision (did not say should figure, said could figure). Volquez is a bubble guy. Do you put him in the pen in Cincy or let him start in AAA until you really need him in Cincy? If Bray is healthy between now and the cutdown, he is the 2nd leftie.

They need a right handed bat with some pop off the bench. Of the folks in the org right now that is Cabrera or A.Phillips. As a switch hitter Valentin could save them a spot here but whether he starts or backs up, he is tied to catching duties until Ross is back. So somebody else makes the team as the bench RH bat. A trade of Freel or Hattie might be a swap which could bring in somebody else for this role.

They have to have a middle infielder on the bench, preferably a guy who can play short so they aren't stuck moving B.Phillips over there if Keppinger would be hurt before Gonzo is back. Accordingly, Jannish could be a sleeper here to fill the roster spot until Gonzo comes off the DL


Patterson makes the team regardless of where Bruce starts the year. If Bruce is in Cincy, Patterson is the 4th OF. Hopper also makes the team. They say you can't steal 1st but he comes pretty close to it with his bunting skills plus his defense is better than Freel's.

Do they really eat the $3M on Stanton???

Castro starts the year on the DL instead of being released. Given the date of his elbow surgery that is a legit move. They are already on the hook for his $1M+ salary so why cut loose a potentially valuable property when you can park him on the DL. Age may be eating at his range; but if he can throw he can sill pick it well enough to back up all 4 infield positions and that makes him valuable, if not to the Reds in a deal at some point during the year.