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WMR
03-11-2008, 07:46 PM
:lol: BRM you better not quit posting in this thread.

BRM
03-11-2008, 11:10 PM
You mean I'm still allowed to post in the UK thread? Sweet! What about dab? Has he been voted off?

WMR
03-11-2008, 11:11 PM
Dab, bring me your torch, the tribe has spoken.

Matt700wlw
03-11-2008, 11:12 PM
UK plays Friday night at 9:45pm.

BRM
03-11-2008, 11:23 PM
UK plays Friday night at 9:45pm.

Against the Georgia/Ole Miss winner, right?

BRM
03-11-2008, 11:27 PM
Dab, bring me your torch, the tribe has spoken.

Wait a minute, I didn't vote him off. I demand a recount.

WMR
03-11-2008, 11:50 PM
Wait a minute, I didn't vote him off. I demand a recount.

Only UK fans get a vote. :p:

improbus
03-12-2008, 06:50 AM
Against the Georgia/Ole Miss winner, right?

Kentucky should easily beat either of them.

A question for fellow Cats fans:

Do you think that the style we have seen lately is going to be the way Gillespie's teams play in the future?

I understand that he is sitting on the ball mostly due to a lack of depth, but Texas A&M wasn't known as a wide open, scoring, fast paced offensive team. They won in ways that are eerily similar to Tubby-Ball, by playing great defense with a limited offense that counts on big shots towards the end of the shot clock (from A.C. Law at A&M alot like Tubby did with Gerald Fitch and Bogans at UK). I see that still being the style of play at UK in the years to come and are Cats fans okay with that? When I was living in Lexington (02-05), I constantly heard the fans pining for the 90+ point games during the Pitino days with UK jacking up tons of three's, pressing, and running up and down the floor on almost every possession. I'm not sure that will happen if Patterson is your main option?

WVRed
03-12-2008, 07:23 AM
Kentucky should easily beat either of them.

A question for fellow Cats fans:

Do you think that the style we have seen lately is going to be the way Gillespie's teams play in the future?

I understand that he is sitting on the ball mostly due to a lack of depth, but Texas A&M wasn't known as a wide open, scoring, fast paced offensive team. They won in ways that are eerily similar to Tubby-Ball, by playing great defense with a limited offense that counts on big shots towards the end of the shot clock (from A.C. Law at A&M alot like Tubby did with Gerald Fitch and Bogans at UK). I see that still being the style of play at UK in the years to come and are Cats fans okay with that? When I was living in Lexington (02-05), I constantly heard the fans pining for the 90+ point games during the Pitino days with UK jacking up tons of three's, pressing, and running up and down the floor on almost every possession. I'm not sure that will happen if Patterson is your main option?

Gillispie adjusts his offense to fit his players. If he has the horses to run an up and down style game I believe he would do it. Problem is, he is lucky to have the players conditioned the way they are to play the style he wants. I think after the death of John Stewart that Tubby was afraid to push his players too hard.

cumberlandreds
03-12-2008, 07:58 AM
Against the Georgia/Ole Miss winner, right?

Yes. Ole Miss will be a tough game IMO. UK doesn't matchup that well with them. They have good size and are very physical. Plus, Warren is a pretty good guard. But every game in the SEC has been tough this season so nothing new there.

cumberlandreds
03-12-2008, 08:02 AM
Kentucky should easily beat either of them.

A question for fellow Cats fans:

Do you think that the style we have seen lately is going to be the way Gillespie's teams play in the future?

I understand that he is sitting on the ball mostly due to a lack of depth, but Texas A&M wasn't known as a wide open, scoring, fast paced offensive team. They won in ways that are eerily similar to Tubby-Ball, by playing great defense with a limited offense that counts on big shots towards the end of the shot clock (from A.C. Law at A&M alot like Tubby did with Gerald Fitch and Bogans at UK). I see that still being the style of play at UK in the years to come and are Cats fans okay with that? When I was living in Lexington (02-05), I constantly heard the fans pining for the 90+ point games during the Pitino days with UK jacking up tons of three's, pressing, and running up and down the floor on almost every possession. I'm not sure that will happen if Patterson is your main option?

I think they will press and run more with more players. It won't be a total milk the clock offense like it is now. As for 90 point games for an average,those days are gone for almost everyone. As long as Gillispie wins most everyone will be happy. You will,of course,have those few that will grumble and growl and generally won't ever be happy.

dabvu2498
03-12-2008, 08:19 AM
Dab, bring me your torch, the tribe has spoken.

Oh well... will you guys post if I start a Vandebilt hoops thread? :D

BRM
03-12-2008, 09:03 AM
Oh well... will you guys post if I start a Vandebilt hoops thread? :D

I'll post in any Hoops thread. I'm a Hoops hound.

dabvu2498
03-12-2008, 09:12 AM
I'll post in any Hoops thread. I'm a Hoops hound.

Ditto. This may be my favorite week of the year.

cumberlandreds
03-12-2008, 09:19 AM
Ditto. This may be my favorite week of the year.

Mine too. I like the conference tourney week the best because everyone is in it and has a chance to be in the NCAA's.

dabvu2498
03-12-2008, 09:22 AM
Mine too. I like the conference tourney week the best because everyone is in it and has a chance to be in the NCAA's.

Absolutely. The kids in these "lesser" conference finals play soooooo hard.

The only bad part is some of the announcing. Anyone who has ever called a college basketball game has a job this week. Some of them are not very good. Example: the two yutzes doing the WKU-MTSU game last night. Ugh.

BRM
03-12-2008, 09:30 AM
I love conference tourney week. The Big East starts today. Syracuse HAS to beat Villanova today. One win helps, two wins this week is probably enough for them.

dabvu2498
03-12-2008, 09:45 AM
I love conference tourney week. The Big East starts today. Syracuse HAS to beat Villanova today. One win helps, two wins this week is probably enough for them.

'Cuse: RPI: 46 SOS: 7
Wins vs Top 50 RPI: G-town and Marquette (7 losses)
Record vs. Top 100 RPI: 7-10
Bad losses: @ Cincinnati, @ South Florida

Kentucky: RPI: 49, SOS: 12
Wins vs. Top 50 RPI: Vandy, Tennessee, Arky, and Ole Miss (6 losses)
Record vs. RPI Top 100: 5-10
Bad loss: Gardner-Webb (San Diego is now a Top 100 RPI team)

cumberlandreds
03-12-2008, 09:50 AM
I love conference tourney week. The Big East starts today. Syracuse HAS to beat Villanova today. One win helps, two wins this week is probably enough for them.

Elimination game for the loser for sure. While the winner may need one more win to get in.

BRM
03-12-2008, 09:53 AM
'Cuse: RPI: 46 SOS: 7
Wins vs Top 50 RPI: G-town and Marquette (7 losses)
Record vs. Top 100 RPI: 7-10
Bad losses: @ Cincinnati, @ South Florida

Kentucky: RPI: 49, SOS: 12
Wins vs. Top 50 RPI: Vandy, Tennessee, Arky, and Ole Miss (6 losses)
Record vs. RPI Top 100: 5-10
Bad loss: Gardner-Webb (San Diego is now a Top 100 RPI team)

Lunardi has both of them in right now. I'm not so sure.

EDIT: I stand corrected. His updated Bracketology has Syracuse, Florida, Arizona State, and VCU as the last four out.

dabvu2498
03-12-2008, 10:05 AM
Lunardi has both of them in right now. I'm not so sure.

EDIT: I stand corrected. His updated Bracketology has Syracuse, Florida, Arizona State, and VCU as the last four out.

Honestly, I'm a UK fan, but I don't see Kentucky as a cod-lock and Syracuse as out, based simply on the numbers.

Kentucky has the "hotness" factor going for them over Syracuse, but I'd say being without Patterson counter-acts that.

BRM
03-12-2008, 10:10 AM
Honestly, I'm a UK fan,

My respect for you will continue to wane if you keep spouting such nonsense.

I agree with you though. I have a hard time saying UK is definitely in and Syracuse is out at this point.

dabvu2498
03-12-2008, 10:19 AM
I agree with you though. I have a hard time saying UK is definitely in and Syracuse is out at this point.

I have an even harder time with Arizona in before Syracuse.

dabvu2498
03-12-2008, 10:34 AM
Forde discusses some of the poor officiating as had previously been discussed on the old thread: http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=forde_pat&id=3286819&sportCat=ncb

BRM
03-12-2008, 10:41 AM
Good article. Georgetown and UCLA have definitely had some help at the end of games with horrible calls and non-calls at home.

cumberlandreds
03-12-2008, 10:48 AM
I have an even harder time with Arizona in before Syracuse.

Arizona better beat Oregon State tonight or it will be over. Oregon State was winless in the Pac 10 this season.

bucksfan2
03-12-2008, 10:48 AM
Right now UK looks good but they must win one game in order to be a lock. Crazier things have happened in conference tournaments that could effect the seedings. What if Syracuse goes on a run and wins 2-3 games? What if Rhode Island wins the A-10? What if Arizona reaches the tourney final? There are too many things that can happen that could change UK's tourney status.

WMR
03-12-2008, 12:22 PM
I think their respective in-conference records is what really sets UK and Syracuse apart.

BRM
03-12-2008, 12:26 PM
I think their respective in-conference records is what really sets UK and Syracuse apart.

Problem there is the Big East is considered a much tougher conference in most people's eyes. I'm not sure 12 wins in the SEC carries more weight than 9 in the Big East. Syracuse is ahead of UK in the RPI and their SOS is higher.

WMR
03-12-2008, 12:29 PM
I just don't see a team that finishes 2nd in the SEC East with a 12-4 record in a major conference being left out of the tourney...

dabvu2498
03-12-2008, 12:33 PM
Problem there is the Big East is considered a much tougher conference in most people's eyes. I'm not sure 12 wins in the SEC carries more weight than 9 in the Big East. Syracuse is ahead of UK in the RPI and their SOS is higher.

Agreed. 12 wins in this year's SEC is not all that impressive.

And yes, I'm aware that my Commodores only managed 10, which is why I'm not overly optimistic about their tournament chances.

BRM
03-12-2008, 12:34 PM
I just don't see a team that finishes 2nd in the SEC East with a 12-4 record in a major conference being left out of the tourney...

I hear you. Based on that, they have to be in. But when you look at their RPI, they can't be considered a lock. UK is a very, very interesting "bubble" team. Their conference record screams "IN". Their RPI screams "MAYBE".

BRM
03-12-2008, 12:38 PM
Agreed. 12 wins in this year's SEC is not all that impressive.

And yes, I'm aware that my Commodores only managed 10, which is why I'm not overly optimistic about their tournament chances.

The Commodore's tourney chances? How about the Hoosiers? I have zero optimism about their NCAA chances. I can easily see them getting bounced in the 1st round. Especially now that I'm hearing there is a split in the locker room and that the player's basically don't respect or listen to Dakich at all.

WMR
03-12-2008, 12:41 PM
I agree with you guys that I'll feel much more comfortable if UK is able to beat Ole Miss or Georgia on Friday.

BRM
03-12-2008, 12:42 PM
I agree with you guys that I'll feel much more comfortable if UK is able to beat Ole Miss or Georgia on Friday.

It probably helps more if it's Ole Miss.

I can see Tubby taking IU out on Friday night.

WMR
03-12-2008, 12:44 PM
I don't think it matters who it is. If they get to 20 wins, with 13 of them coming in-conference, they've GOT to be in.

dabvu2498
03-12-2008, 12:53 PM
It probably helps more if it's Ole Miss.

I can see Tubby taking IU out on Friday night.

Sweet revenge. Brian Smith takes out the Cats and Tubby takes out the Hoosiers. :D

I agree with Wily. They win one more, they're in fo sho.

Even though one more W would only get them to 19, Wily.

BRM
03-12-2008, 12:55 PM
Sweet revenge. Brian Smith takes out the Cats and Tubby takes out the Hoosiers. :D

I agree with Wily. They win one more, they're in fo sho.

Even though one more W would only get them to 19, Wily.

He's using Wildcat math.

WMR
03-12-2008, 01:07 PM
Whoops my bad. :D

Damn, Dab, you got some real jackasses writing for your paper down in Nashville... isn't he supposed to hate UT?? Tell him to get off Bruce's jock.

http://www.nashvillecitypaper.com/news.php?viewStory=59115

WMR
03-12-2008, 01:08 PM
Joey Brackets, however, has said on more than occasion that at this point UK is playing for seeding in the tournament, not whether or not they get in... he's the guy whose opinion about all of this I value the most.

dabvu2498
03-12-2008, 01:16 PM
Whoops my bad. :D

Damn, Dab, you got some real jackasses writing for your paper down in Nashville... isn't he supposed to hate UT?? Tell him to get off Bruce's jock.

http://www.nashvillecitypaper.com/news.php?viewStory=59115

That's the "free" paper in Nashville, kinda like CityBeat in Cincinnati, if you're familiar. They actually do a better job coving Vandy than the regular paper, as the UT love is even stronger in the Tennesseean, which we Vandy fans refer to as the UTennessean -- real original, huh?

You've got to remember, it's a UT town... there are more UT fans in Nashville than there are in Knoxville, even.

WMR
03-12-2008, 01:17 PM
Hmmm, I didn't really know that... makes sense now that I think about it. Sorta sad.

WMR
03-12-2008, 01:20 PM
Interesting stuff from ESPN live chat:

Kurt (Wilmington, NC): Can Kentucky pull off an 8 or 9 seed, possibly in Raleigh, with UNC on the other side??

Chris Low: (12:44 PM ET )I think Kentucky is tailor-made for that 8-9 seed, which could be bad news for a No. 1. I wouldn't want to face Kentucky in the second round with the way the Cats have played the last 6-7 weeks, save the Vanderbilt debacle.

WMR
03-12-2008, 01:21 PM
Personally, I'd rather be a 10 or 11 seed.

dabvu2498
03-12-2008, 01:21 PM
Hmmm, I didn't really know that... makes sense now that I think about it. Sorta sad.

Terribly. If you go to the Tennessean's website, the headings on the sports page are in this order: Titans, Preds, UT, Vandy, MTSU, high school.

If you want an eye-opening experience sometime, join a convoy headed across I-40 eastbound on a Friday night/Saturday morning on a UT home football weekend.

I knew I was a stanger in a strange land in 1995, when UT fans burned a car in Nashville to celebrate a UT football win over Bama.

dabvu2498
03-12-2008, 01:22 PM
Interesting stuff from ESPN live chat:

Kurt (Wilmington, NC): Can Kentucky pull off an 8 or 9 seed, possibly in Raleigh, with UNC on the other side??

Chris Low: (12:44 PM ET )I think Kentucky is tailor-made for that 8-9 seed, which could be bad news for a No. 1. I wouldn't want to face Kentucky in the second round with the way the Cats have played the last 6-7 weeks, save the Vanderbilt debacle.

Does he not know that Patterson is out?

WMR
03-12-2008, 01:24 PM
I'm sure he does. We're fine without Patterson, we got The Thin Man.

dabvu2498
03-12-2008, 01:24 PM
Personally, I'd rather be a 10 or 11 seed.

Absolutely. Can you imagine UK staying in a game vs. Memphis, UNC, UCLA, Kansas (or UT, but I know that won't happen)?

WMR
03-12-2008, 01:27 PM
Of course I can imagine it. :D

Just hafta play 'em like we played UT. Use every shot clock to the max and control tempo.

WMR
03-12-2008, 01:31 PM
If Syracuse loses today does their bubble definitely burst?

BRM
03-12-2008, 01:32 PM
If Syracuse loses today does their bubble definitely burst?

They are down by two right now.

dabvu2498
03-12-2008, 01:33 PM
Of course I can imagine it. :D

Just hafta play 'em like we played UT. Use every shot clock to the max and control tempo.

UCLA, Kansas, and to a lesser extent, UNC don't mind playing knock-down, drag-out hoops. UT hates it.

Memphis may buckle like UT did, but I wouldn't count on it.

BRM
03-12-2008, 01:35 PM
Syracuse is in a world of trouble. Down 10 with under 9:00 to play. Would their loss be Kentucky's gain?

WMR
03-12-2008, 01:35 PM
They're down by 7 on my television.

WMR
03-12-2008, 01:36 PM
GO NOVA GO

:laugh:

WMR
03-12-2008, 01:36 PM
Jim Boeheim is an extremely over-rated coach, IMO.

dabvu2498
03-12-2008, 01:37 PM
Jim Boeheim is an extremely over-rated coach, IMO.

:eek:

The 1996 NCAA tournament says otherwise.

dabvu2498
03-12-2008, 01:38 PM
Dayton, another bubble-monger, up nine, under 6 minutes over the St. Louis Majeruses.

WMR
03-12-2008, 01:39 PM
He just generally seems to do less with more.

dabvu2498
03-12-2008, 01:44 PM
He just generally seems to do less with more.

That team this year is young and have dealt with serious injury problems. Losing Devendorf was a killer.

He has a ring and two other championship game appearances that would say otherwise.

BRM
03-12-2008, 01:46 PM
Welcome to the NIT, Syracuse. Welcome to the Dance, Kentucky.

WMR
03-12-2008, 01:49 PM
JMO, Dab, JMO.

BYE BYE SYRACUSE.

THANK YOU 'NOVA.

dabvu2498
03-12-2008, 01:50 PM
St. Louis mounting a comeback. UD up 4 1:30 to go

BRM
03-12-2008, 01:54 PM
The Orange really laid an egg today. Getting blown out in the opening round of your conference tourney? At least they can look forward to a home game or two in the NIT.

cumberlandreds
03-12-2008, 01:54 PM
Syracuse's talent base has seemed to go downhill the last few seasons. It seems like when some of these coaches win an NCAA title and they may get a little lax in recruiting. Look at Maryland. They have gradually declined since they won their title and pretty much parallel Syracuse.

dabvu2498
03-12-2008, 01:56 PM
The Orange really laid an egg today. Getting blown out in the opening round of your conference tourney? At least they can look forward to a home game or two in the NIT.

If Greene comes back (doubtful), Syracuse should be verrrry good next year. We'll see if Boeheim can coach or not. :)

dabvu2498
03-12-2008, 01:57 PM
Syracuse's talent base has seemed to go downhill the last few seasons. It seems like when some of these coaches win an NCAA title and they may get a little lax in recruiting. Look at Maryland. They have gradually declined since they won their title and pretty much parallel Syracuse.

I was just on their site. There are only 6 former Orangemen in the NBA. Only 2 whose Syracuse careers I remember well -- Carmelo and Etan Thomas.

WMR
03-12-2008, 01:58 PM
'Cuse: RPI: 46 SOS: 7
Wins vs Top 50 RPI: G-town and Marquette (7 losses)
Record vs. Top 100 RPI: 7-10
Bad losses: @ Cincinnati, @ South Florida

Kentucky: RPI: 49, SOS: 12
Wins vs. Top 50 RPI: Vandy, Tennessee, Arky, and Ole Miss (6 losses)
Record vs. RPI Top 100: 5-10
Bad loss: Gardner-Webb (San Diego is now a Top 100 RPI team)

Care to update this?

dabvu2498
03-12-2008, 01:58 PM
UD-SLU tied with 50 seconds. Wowser.

WMR
03-12-2008, 01:59 PM
Is that a championship game?

dabvu2498
03-12-2008, 01:59 PM
Care to update this?

As soon as my dude does, sure.

dabvu2498
03-12-2008, 02:00 PM
Is that a championship game?

Nah. 1st round... for the privlege of getting beat by X.

Going to overtime. 55-55

dabvu2498
03-12-2008, 02:03 PM
BTW, bit of trivia... what college hoops team played the toughest non-conference schdule in the country this year (according to Ken Pomroy)?

WMR
03-12-2008, 02:06 PM
No clue...

WMR
03-12-2008, 02:08 PM
Now Villanova needs to lose tomorrow to Georgetown.

BRM
03-12-2008, 02:08 PM
We should probably start a Championship Week thread for this discussion. Or else we'll run the UK thread to 50 pages with very little UK talk in it.

cumberlandreds
03-12-2008, 02:11 PM
I was just on their site. There are only 6 former Orangemen in the NBA. Only 2 whose Syracuse careers I remember well -- Carmelo and Etan Thomas.

I don't always measure talent by who goes to the NBA. You can be a very good college player but not a good pro. Pearl Washington who played at Syracuse in the 80's is an example. A fine college player but couldn't do it in the pros. But anyway it just doesn't seem like he is getting top players like he used too. I think some of these coaches rest on their laurels just a little after they finally win one. Can't say I blame them. I probably would too.

dabvu2498
03-12-2008, 02:12 PM
No clue...

Middle Tennessee State

The rest of the top 10:
Chattanooga
Tennessee
Southern Ill.
NC A&T
Miami (OH)
Arizona
Davidson
Memphis
Austin Peay

cumberlandreds
03-12-2008, 02:12 PM
We should probably start a Championship Week thread for this discussion. Or else we'll run the UK thread to 50 pages with very little UK talk in it.

At the rate this one is going it will be at 1,000 post by tonight. :)

dabvu2498
03-12-2008, 02:13 PM
Would Wily change the title of this one, then start a purely UK one?

WMR
03-12-2008, 02:13 PM
Georgetown's non-conference wins are pathetic... only one under top 100 rpi.

dabvu2498
03-12-2008, 02:15 PM
I don't always measure talent by who goes to the NBA. You can be a very good college player but not a good pro. Pearl Washington who played at Syracuse in the 80's is an example. A fine college player but couldn't do it in the pros. But anyway it just doesn't seem like he is getting top players like he used too. I think some of these coaches rest on their laurels just a little after they finally win one. Can't say I blame them. I probably would too.

Agreed. But once upon a time, Cuse had 10-12 guys in the NBA also.

BTW, his last 2 classes have been strong.

BRM
03-12-2008, 02:15 PM
Would Wily change the title of this one, then start a purely UK one?

That makes more sense actually. Since we are already several pages deep into the discussion here.

WMR
03-12-2008, 02:15 PM
Can only edit a post for 6 hours after making it.

dabvu2498
03-12-2008, 02:16 PM
Georgetown's non-conference wins are pathetic... only one under top 100 rpi.

His old man always did that also.

BRM
03-12-2008, 02:16 PM
Can only edit a post for 6 hours after making it.

OK. Can a mod change a thread title? Oh well, we can start a new one I suppose but this one is already gone (as far as UK talk goes).

dabvu2498
03-12-2008, 02:17 PM
OK. Can a mod change a thread title? Oh well, we can start a new one I suppose but this one is already gone (as far as UK talk goes).

The whole college hoops world revolves around UK, dontcha know?

BTW, UD survives 63-62.

UD-XU for a 3rd time.

WMR
03-12-2008, 02:19 PM
Need Xavier to win tomorrow.

dabvu2498
03-12-2008, 02:20 PM
Other bubble games forthcoming today:
2:30 Fordham vs. St. Joes
2:30 Providence vs. West Virginia
9:00 Rhode Island vs. Charlotte
11:30 Oregon St. vs. Arizona

cumberlandreds
03-12-2008, 02:23 PM
Other bubble games forthcoming today:
2:30 Fordham vs. St. Joes
2:30 Providence vs. West Virginia
9:00 Rhode Island vs. Charlotte
11:30 Oregon St. vs. Arizona

WVU is similar to UK,IMO. They are probably in but a win wouldn't hurt.

dabvu2498
03-12-2008, 02:52 PM
Care to update this?

'Cuse: RPI: 50 SOS: 7
Wins vs Top 50 RPI: G-town and Marquette (7 losses)
Record vs. Top 100 RPI: 7-11
Bad losses: @ Cincinnati, @ South Florida

Kentucky: RPI: 48, SOS: 12
Wins vs. Top 50 RPI: Vandy, Tennessee, Arky, and Ole Miss (6 losses)
Record vs. RPI Top 100: 5-10
Bad loss: Gardner-Webb (San Diego is now a Top 100 RPI team)

BTW, it appears that Dayton's win moved them from 33 to 30 in the RPI. I'd like to have seen what they'd have done with a full, healthy year from Chris Wright.

Dayton: RPI: 30, SOS: 41
Wins vs. Top 50 RPI: @ Louisville, Pitt (5 losses)
Record vs. RPI Top 100: 9-5
Bad losses: @ Richmond, @ GWU, Duquesne, @ LaSalle

WMR
03-12-2008, 02:58 PM
Read this on another board. Pretty cool stuff, if you ask me:


I went out to the 10th Region tourney tonight to watch Darius. At halftime Razor, Joe, Ramel, Jasper, Meeks and Perry made an appearance. Reports had it Coach G was there too, but I didn't see him any. I think it's great to see how close knit these guys are and that they would come out to support a future Cat. Darius had a decent game. Mason Co overmatched Clark Co, so he wasn't asked to take over. He still ended with close to a double double.

It was later confirmed that Coach G was in fact there as well.

WMR
03-12-2008, 02:58 PM
He's talking about UK signee Darius Miller, btw.

WMR
03-12-2008, 02:59 PM
You used to always read stories like this during the Pitino years... didn't see it hardly at all the last few years under Flubby.

WMR
03-12-2008, 02:59 PM
'Cuse: RPI: 50 SOS: 7
Wins vs Top 50 RPI: G-town and Marquette (7 losses)
Record vs. Top 100 RPI: 7-11
Bad losses: @ Cincinnati, @ South Florida

Kentucky: RPI: 48, SOS: 12
Wins vs. Top 50 RPI: Vandy, Tennessee, Arky, and Ole Miss (6 losses)
Record vs. RPI Top 100: 5-10
Bad loss: Gardner-Webb (San Diego is now a Top 100 RPI team)

BTW, it appears that Dayton's win moved them from 33 to 30 in the RPI. I'd like to have seen what they'd have done with a full, healthy year from Chris Wright.

Dayton: RPI: 30, SOS: 41
Wins vs. Top 50 RPI: @ Louisville, Pitt (5 losses)
Record vs. RPI Top 100: 9-5
Bad losses: @ Richmond, @ GWU, Duquesne, @ LaSalle

Yeah, 'Cuse is done. You can't finish under .500, I don't care how good your conference is.

BRM
03-12-2008, 03:00 PM
Arizona is sitting there with an RPI of 31 and a SOS of 2. How exactly are they in a tougher spot to get in than Kentucky? They have 5 wins vs RPI Top 50 with 2 bad losses, Virginia and @ Washington.

WMR
03-12-2008, 03:00 PM
I was just thinking about that, BRM. I don't see how 'Zona is in such trouble?? :confused:

BRM
03-12-2008, 03:01 PM
I was just thinking about that, BRM. I don't see how 'Zona is in such trouble?? :confused:

Lunardi says they aren't in at the moment. I don't get it.

dabvu2498
03-12-2008, 03:02 PM
Read this on another board. Pretty cool stuff, if you ask me:



It was later confirmed that Coach G was in fact there as well.

Maybe they were there to pay homage to the former home of Chris Lofton. :D

BTW, I highly recommend a game in the gym at Mason County. Awesome gym.

WMR
03-12-2008, 03:02 PM
Is WVU still solidly in if they lose to Providence today?

WMR
03-12-2008, 03:03 PM
Maybe they were there to pay homage to the former home of Chris Lofton. :D

BTW, I highly recommend a game in the gym at Mason County. Awesome gym.

:lol:

I'd take Miller six days a week and twice on Sunday.

(comparing the two as senior prospects)

dabvu2498
03-12-2008, 03:04 PM
Lunardi says they aren't in at the moment. I don't get it.

Their overall record, maybe???

17-13, 8-10 in the conference... To quote WilyMO:

You can't finish under .500, I don't care how good your conference is.

WMR
03-12-2008, 03:06 PM
I didn't know their conference record. That makes better sense. Everything else about them screams "Tournament Caliber."

dabvu2498
03-12-2008, 03:08 PM
:lol:

I'd take Miller six days a week and twice on Sunday.

(comparing the two as senior prospects)

I saw Lofton in person, as a senior. Actually as a senior-to-be at a summer camp. I thought they were all crazy for not wanting him then.

Dudes that can shoot are a dime a dozen.

Dudes who can stroke it like that are not.

dabvu2498
03-12-2008, 03:09 PM
I didn't know their conference record. That makes better sense. Everything else about them screams "Tournament Caliber."

3-7 in their last 10 also.

WMR
03-12-2008, 03:09 PM
Hard to take a 3 star over a 5 star.

BRM
03-12-2008, 03:10 PM
And that has always been one of the dumbest things I've heard about who is tournament caliber. Dickie V always beats that drum. If you are in one of the top 2 or 3 conferences and finish 8-10, that means a whole hell of lot more than finishing with only 1 or 2 losses in some crappy conference. Arizona goes 14-2 at the very least in C-USA or the WCC.

dabvu2498
03-12-2008, 03:17 PM
Hard to take a 3 star over a 5 star.

Depends. Is said 5 star a malcontent and a bad practice player (Rondo/Morris) or is he a gym rat workaholic (Lofton)?

WMR
03-12-2008, 03:25 PM
Whoa whoa WHOA. Which of those is Rondo? Which of those is Morris? The same Morris who put UK on his back last season and is the sole reason we made the NCAA tournament? Or the same Rondo that came to Senior day last week and personally handed Joe and Ramel their framed jerseys???

WMR
03-12-2008, 03:29 PM
And just to show what good coaching can do: RIGHT NOW I wouldn't take Lofton over Ramel OR Joe, and it's not even close for me.

BRM
03-12-2008, 03:30 PM
And just to show what good coaching can do: RIGHT NOW I wouldn't take Lofton over Ramel OR Joe, and it's not even close for me.

Of course not. You're a homer. :cool:

WMR
03-12-2008, 03:31 PM
Lofton could do ONE thing extraordinarily well in high school... 4 years later, that's still all that he brings to the table. Defense? :ughmamoru

dabvu2498
03-12-2008, 03:31 PM
Whoa whoa WHOA. Which of those is Rondo? Which of those is Morris? The same Morris who put UK on his back last season and is the sole reason we made the NCAA tournament? Or the same Rondo that came to Senior day last week and personally handed Joe and Ramel their framed jerseys???

I was referring to the Randolph Morris that decided to leave school and faxed his desire to do so to the basketball office. Not a meeting or a phone call... a fax. And to the Rajon Rondo who got half his teammates' girlfriends, or at least Patrick Sparks', into bed with him, allegedly.

One would have to admit that both of their experiences at UK were tumultuous.

Lofton has never been anything but 100% committed to his college program.

BRM
03-12-2008, 03:32 PM
I was referring to the Randolph Morris that decided to leave school and faxed his desire to do so to the basketball office. Not a meeting or a phone call... a fax. And to the Rajon Rondo who got half his teammates' girlfriends, or at least Patrick Sparks', into bed with him, allegedly.

One would have to admit that both of their experiences at UK were tumultuous.

Lofton has never been anything but 100% committed to his college program.

Lofton didn't play at UK. He's a bum.

WMR
03-12-2008, 03:35 PM
Wow, for an attorney you're pretty comfortable throwing around some pretty unsubstantiated gossip with the "ALLEGEDLY" attached. :lol: ;)

dabvu2498
03-12-2008, 03:35 PM
And just to show what good coaching can do: RIGHT NOW I wouldn't take Lofton over Ramel OR Joe, and it's not even close for me.

How bout Shan Foster? :cool: Not sure how many stars he had, but it wasn't as many as either of those two guys.

dabvu2498
03-12-2008, 03:36 PM
Wow, for an attorney you're pretty comfortable throwing around some pretty unsubstantiated gossip with the "ALLEGEDLY" attached. :lol: ;)

That's pretty reliable. When an entire charter flight witnesses the ensuing fight, I'll take it to the bank.

BRM
03-12-2008, 03:37 PM
How bout Shan Foster? :cool: Not sure how many stars he had, but it wasn't as many as either of those two guys.

You don't get it. He didn't play for UK either. Therefore he's a bum.

BRM
03-12-2008, 03:37 PM
That's pretty reliable. When an entire charter flight witnesses the ensuing fight, I'll take it to the bank.

All of those "witnesses" were probably paid to say that by a jealous Vanderbilt alumnus.

WMR
03-12-2008, 03:38 PM
I was referring to the Randolph Morris that decided to leave school and faxed his desire to do so to the basketball office. Not a meeting or a phone call... a fax. And to the Rajon Rondo who got half his teammates' girlfriends, or at least Patrick Sparks', into bed with him, allegedly.

One would have to admit that both of their experiences at UK were tumultuous.

Lofton has never been anything but 100% committed to his college program.

Morris: Yes for sure.

Rondo: Nah, I don't agree with that.

WMR
03-12-2008, 03:39 PM
How bout Shan Foster? :cool: Not sure how many stars he had, but it wasn't as many as either of those two guys.

In Shan's last game, he really showed me something. He showed me that he's really trying to expand his game beyond just a catch and shoot guy. He put the ball on the floor and attacked the rim pretty capably. Who wouldn't love to have the SEC POY on their team?

dabvu2498
03-12-2008, 03:40 PM
In Shan's last game, he really showed me something. He showed me that he's really trying to expand his game beyond just a catch and shoot guy. He put the ball on the floor and attacked the rim pretty capably. Who wouldn't love to have the SEC POY on their team?

And that's my point. You have no idea when those guys are in HS. Foster played center in high school.

WMR
03-12-2008, 03:40 PM
All of those "witnesses" were probably paid to say that by a jealous Vanderbilt alumnus.

Indubitably.

dabvu2498
03-12-2008, 03:41 PM
Morris: Yes for sure.

Rondo: Nah, I don't agree with that.

What? That Rondo was a malcontent?

WMR
03-12-2008, 03:41 PM
And that's my point. You have no idea when those guys are in HS. Foster played center in high school.

"No idea"?

I wouldn't go that far.

BRM
03-12-2008, 03:42 PM
What? That Rondo was a malcontent?

Rondo would have been a model citizen under Billy G.

WMR
03-12-2008, 03:42 PM
What? That Rondo was a malcontent?

Yeah. Malcontents don't become ambassadors for their program and come back to Senior day to hand their former teammates their Senior jerseys.

WMR
03-12-2008, 03:43 PM
Rondo would have been a model citizen under Billy G.

Heh, Foster sure as hell wouldn't have been POY if Rondo had had his senior year under Coach BCG. :D

dabvu2498
03-12-2008, 03:43 PM
Indubitably.

Jealous of what? Vandy beat them twice in 05-06. :cool: :D

WMR
03-12-2008, 03:45 PM
You probably planted one of those Vandy chickenheads in Patrick and Rondo's bed to get them going.

dabvu2498
03-12-2008, 03:51 PM
Yeah. Malcontents don't become ambassadors for their program and come back to Senior day to hand their former teammates their Senior jerseys.

To be sure, he seemingly has matured. As a Wildcat, he always played and acted pretty selfish and immature to me.

Wonder if he'd come back around if he were the PG for the struggling Boston Celtics of 06-07, rather than the 50-12 Celtics of this year?

dabvu2498
03-12-2008, 03:55 PM
WVU up 3 on Providence.
St. Joes drilling Fordham.

BRM
03-12-2008, 03:57 PM
To be sure, he seemingly has matured. As a Wildcat, he always played and acted pretty selfish and immature to me.

Wonder if he'd come back around if he were the PG for the struggling Boston Celtics of 06-07, rather than the 50-12 Celtics of this year?

Somehow, someway, the greatness of Billy G would have turned around Rondo. He can even have an impact on former 'Cats.

WMR
03-12-2008, 03:57 PM
Is WVU in no matter what?

WMR
03-12-2008, 03:58 PM
Somehow, someway, the greatness of Billy G would have turned around Rondo. He can even have an impact on former 'Cats.

Now you're starting to get it!

BRM
03-12-2008, 03:59 PM
Is WVU in no matter what?

I would say yes but what the hell do I know.

dabvu2498
03-12-2008, 03:59 PM
Is WVU in no matter what?

I think so.

21-9, 11-7
RPI: 35, SOS: 56
Wins over Marquette and Pitt
Only "bad" loss is to UC

BRM
03-12-2008, 04:00 PM
Now you're starting to get it!

His greatness knows no bounds.

WMR
03-12-2008, 04:03 PM
His greatness knows no bounds.

5 time COY

WMR
03-12-2008, 04:04 PM
Joe Alexander is gonna be a pro.

dabvu2498
03-12-2008, 04:05 PM
5 time COY

And he beat the Harlem Globetrotters.

No... really...

dabvu2498
03-12-2008, 04:06 PM
Joe Alexander is gonna be a pro.

Absolutely. Those Euro leagues love guys like that. :p:

BRM
03-12-2008, 04:07 PM
5 time COY

Now we are counting awards won while coaching High School?

dabvu2498
03-12-2008, 04:13 PM
Now we are counting awards won while coaching High School?


He left out the only one league championship part. And that was a tie.

WMR
03-12-2008, 04:14 PM
In the exhibition games preceding the 2003-2004 season, Gillispie's Texas-El Paso Miners defeated the famous Harlem Globetrotters 89-88, after Harlem had already defeated many college teams including Syracuse, the then-defending national champion. It was the first defeat the Harlem Globetrotters had suffered in 289 games.

WMR
03-12-2008, 04:15 PM
He left out the only one league championship part. And that was a tie.

Through Gillispie's eight years as an assistant, he was a member of coaching staffs that won five conference championships in six years. As part of Bill Self's staff, he was a member of the only coaching staff in NCAA history to lead two different schools to the Elite Eight in successive seasons.

:cool:

BRM
03-12-2008, 04:16 PM
He left out the only one league championship part. And that was a tie.

How dare you question the legendness of Billy G!

WMR
03-12-2008, 04:16 PM
Although the Miners were predicted to finish ninth in the WAC the following season (2003-2004), they instead captured their first conference title in 12 years. The team finished 24-8 and received a bid to the NCAA Tournament. The 18-win improvement was the best in Division I basketball that season, and one of the best in Division I history. As a result of their success, the Miners built a huge home following, ranking first in the NCAA in increased attendance. After his second season with the Miners, Gillispie was named Texas coach of the Year by the TABC and was a finalist for National Coach of the Year honors.

:cool: :cool:

BRM
03-12-2008, 04:17 PM
Now he's getting credit for Bill Self's accomplishments. He's truly an amazing individual.

WMR
03-12-2008, 04:19 PM
Now he's getting credit for Bill Self's accomplishments. He's truly an amazing individual.

Pedigree is a beautiful thing. Especially when you continue to do it when you're standing on your own two feet.

dabvu2498
03-12-2008, 04:21 PM
Pedigree is a beautiful thing. Especially when you continue to do it when you're standing on your own two feet.

Tubby had a great pedigree.

BRM
03-12-2008, 04:23 PM
Pedigree is a beautiful thing. Especially when you continue to do it when you're standing on your own two feet.

Win one conference championship in six years? Awesome.

WMR
03-12-2008, 04:23 PM
Notice the 2nd part of my post. "Continue" doesn't stop after your first 4-5 seasons. :lol:

BRM
03-12-2008, 04:23 PM
Tubby had a great pedigree.

You're doing it again. :nono:

WMR
03-12-2008, 04:24 PM
Win one conference championship in six years? Awesome.

:lol:

BRM
03-12-2008, 04:27 PM
My prediction is Kentucky goes undefeated and wins the NCAA championship for the next 4 consecutive seasons. Then Billy moves on to coach in the NBA where he wins 10 straight NBA titles with the Atlanta Hawks.

WMR
03-12-2008, 04:28 PM
My prediction is Kentucky goes undefeated for the next 4 consecutive seasons. Then Billy moves to coach in the NBA where he wins 10 straight NBA titles with the Atlanta Hawks.

Sounds realistic.

dabvu2498
03-12-2008, 04:30 PM
Tubby career winning percentage: 72.0
Billy career winning percentage: 63.1

dabvu2498
03-12-2008, 04:35 PM
Notice the 2nd part of my post. "Continue" doesn't stop after your first 4-5 seasons. :lol:

Tubby won a conference championship and went to the Elite 8 in his 8th year at UK.

WMR
03-12-2008, 04:35 PM
Oh yeah, and going by winning % is a great way to decide which coach is the best. :lol:

Just like with pitchers. :laugh:

I know you don't think Flubby is in the same category as Billy G at this point in their respective careers. Stop trying to bait me. :lol:

WMR
03-12-2008, 04:36 PM
Tubby won a conference championship and went to the Elite 8 in his 8th year at UK.

Can you tell me the longest stretch in UK history without going to a Final Four?

dabvu2498
03-12-2008, 04:38 PM
Oh yeah, and going by winning % is a great way to decide which coach is the best. :lol:

Just like with pitchers. :laugh:

I know you don't think Flubby is in the same category as Billy G at this point in their respective careers. Stop trying to bait me. :lol:

What? By this point in his career (6th year), Tubby had won 3 conference championships, gone to 3 Sweet 16s, and won a national championship.

BRM
03-12-2008, 04:38 PM
Tubby career winning percentage: 72.0
Billy career winning percentage: 63.1


What? By this point in his career (6th year), Tubby had won 3 conference championships, gone to 3 Sweet 16s, and won a national championship.

Once again, I have to break out this smiley: :nono:

Any statement that paints a positive light on Tubby Smith is strictly forbidden in the TOS for UK threads.

WMR
03-12-2008, 04:40 PM
What? By this point in his career (6th year), Tubby had won 3 conference championships, gone to 3 Sweet 16s, and won a national championship.

:lol: I'm not getting into these old debates again. We all know how and why Tubby had the early success that he did. I'm not going to rehash it.

WMR
03-12-2008, 04:40 PM
Once again, I have to break out this smiley: :nono:

Any statement that paints a positive light on Tubby Smith is strictly forbidden in the TOS for UK threads.

Tubby deserves a lot of credit. Just like he deserves blame for the program slipping under his watch.

WMR
03-12-2008, 04:41 PM
Can you tell me the longest stretch in UK history without going to a Final Four?

:confused:

BRM
03-12-2008, 04:41 PM
By the way, this is my favorite part of Billy's Wikipedia page.



He drew criticism for the way he left A&M by having alerted the A&M players of his decision to take the Kentucky job via text message in route to the introductory press conference in Lexington.


Classy.

WMR
03-12-2008, 04:42 PM
By the way, this is my favorite part of Billy's Wikipedia page.



Classy.

Hahahahahahahahaha. A Hoosier fan bringing up anything to deal with a cell phone = instant comedy.

BRM
03-12-2008, 04:45 PM
Hahahahahahahahaha. A Hoosier fan bringing up anything to deal with a cell phone = instant comedy.

I am not touting Kelvin Sampson as the beacon of all that's right with my favorite team's program. Big difference.

WMR
03-12-2008, 04:48 PM
I am not touting Kelvin Sampson as the beacon of all that's right with my favorite team's program. Big difference.

It's unfortunate that he didn't have time to meet with his players before accepting the UK job. I'm sure he would have preferred to have had time to do so.

BRM
03-12-2008, 04:50 PM
It's unfortunate that he didn't have time to meet with his players before accepting the UK job. I'm sure he would have preferred to have had time to do so.

Didn't have time? OK.

dabvu2498
03-12-2008, 04:52 PM
Didn't have time? OK.

Just like Randolph didn't have time to call Tubby to let him know he was going pro. :D

dabvu2498
03-12-2008, 04:52 PM
It's unfortunate that he didn't have time to meet with his players before accepting the UK job. I'm sure he would have preferred to have had time to do so.

If you care about your boys, you make time.

BRM
03-12-2008, 04:54 PM
OK. I'm going to stop busting on Billy for awhile. WMR has been bombarded on here enough for today. I almost feel bad. ;)

BRM
03-12-2008, 04:54 PM
Dab, it looks like you and I have railroaded another UK thread.

dabvu2498
03-12-2008, 04:55 PM
OK. I'm going to stop busting on Billy for awhile. WMR has been bombarded on here enough for today. I almost feel bad. ;)

Never.

FTR, both St. Joes and WVU won.

dabvu2498
03-12-2008, 04:56 PM
Dab, it looks like you and I have railroaded another UK thread.

At least we're talking about Uk hoops... for now.

dabvu2498
03-12-2008, 05:07 PM
:confused:

That's too easy!!!

It was the period of time from the Big Bang until 1942.

WMR
03-12-2008, 05:10 PM
That's too easy!!!

It was the period of time from the Big Bang until 1942.

Since the advent of the Final Four. :doh:

BRM
03-12-2008, 05:11 PM
Clearly the answer is Tubby Smith. He is the answer to anything negative that has ever happened in Lexington.

WMR
03-12-2008, 05:14 PM
+ Eddie Sutton

BRM
03-12-2008, 05:16 PM
+ Eddie Sutton

:laugh:

I forgot about him.

WVRed
03-12-2008, 07:38 PM
Yeah. Malcontents don't become ambassadors for their program and come back to Senior day to hand their former teammates their Senior jerseys.

You may not remember this, but Rondo's last year at Kentucky, there was a bit of a squirmish between him and Ramel Bradley. It was basically reported that if Rondo didn't go pro, Bradley would end up transferring.

dabvu2498
03-13-2008, 07:47 AM
+ Eddie Sutton

That I can agree with you on. I am no Eddie Sutton fan.

dabvu2498
03-13-2008, 08:38 AM
Lotsa bubble action today:


Noon: Villanova-Georgetown
Noon: Florida State-Wake Forest
Noon: Dayton-Xavier
1 PM: Tulsa-UAB
2 pm: NC State-Miami
2:30 pm: St. Joes-Richmond
3 pm: Colorado-Baylor
3 pm: Arizona State-USC
3:30: UTEP-Houston
6:30 LaSalle-Temple
7: Toledo-Kent St.
7:30: Bama-Florida
9: Charlotte-UMass
9: BC-Maryland
9: Oregon-Washington St.
9: TCU-UNLV
9:30: Iowa St.-Texas A/M
9:45: UGa-Ole Miss
11:30: Arizona-Stanford
11:30: Utah-New Mexico

cumberlandreds
03-13-2008, 09:00 AM
Lotsa bubble action today:


Noon: Villanova-Georgetown
Noon: Florida State-Wake Forest
Noon: Dayton-Xavier
1 PM: Tulsa-UAB
2 pm: NC State-Miami
2:30 pm: St. Joes-Richmond
3 pm: Colorado-Baylor
3 pm: Arizona State-USC
3:30: UTEP-Houston
6:30 LaSalle-Temple
7: Toledo-Kent St.
7:30: Bama-Florida
9: Charlotte-UMass
9: BC-Maryland
9: Oregon-Washington St.
9: TCU-UNLV
9:30: Iowa St.-Texas A/M
9:45: UGa-Ole Miss
11:30: Arizona-Stanford
11:30: Utah-New Mexico

I'm bubbling over in excitement.:) I was about to post something like this. Should be a great day of basketball! I'm hoping the UGA/Ole Miss game goes about 10 overtimes.
Another interesting game will be UCLA/Cal. Cal wants UCLA bad after they robbed last weekend. Wouldn't surprise me to see Cal win that one.

dabvu2498
03-13-2008, 09:30 AM
I'm looking forward to the A-10 games. Getting to watch quite a few UD and X games on local TV, I've become a fan of A-10 basketball. Good, hard-nosed, blue collar hoops. And alot of talent.

It was a bad idea for them to move their tourney to Atlantic City, however.

BRM
03-13-2008, 09:35 AM
I'm looking forward to the 2 Big East games tonight. U of L/Pitt and ND/Marquette. I'd like to see the Dayton/Xavier game as well but it's an early game and ESPN isn't carrying it.

dabvu2498
03-13-2008, 09:42 AM
I'm looking forward to the 2 Big East games tonight. U of L/Pitt and ND/Marquette. I'd like to see the Dayton/Xavier game as well but it's an early game and ESPN isn't carrying it.

FSN Ohio!!!

$9.95 pay per view on the internet, also. :D

cumberlandreds
03-13-2008, 09:47 AM
Here's a great guide to all the games on TV this weekend. This guy does a great job of keeping track of all the TV games. I check his website to plan my viewing of College basketball and football.
It's surprising the A-10 doesn't have their games on ESPN Full Court. I think they used to be.

http://mattsarz44017.tripod.com/basketball2007/week19.html

BRM
03-13-2008, 09:50 AM
FSN Ohio!!!

$9.95 pay per view on the internet, also. :D

I don't get FSN Ohio out here. Unless I pay the $10 or $12 per month for the Sports Pack...which I don't.

cumberlandreds
03-13-2008, 09:52 AM
I don't get FSN Ohio out here. Unless I pay the $10 or $12 per month for the Sports Pack...which I don't.

According to the guide I posted it's supposed to be on Altitude. Do you get that one?

dabvu2498
03-13-2008, 09:54 AM
UK's RPI slipped back to 50 last night. Curious.

http://www.realtimerpi.com/rpi_Men.html

dabvu2498
03-13-2008, 09:56 AM
It's surprising the A-10 doesn't have their games on ESPN Full Court. I think they used to be.


A-10 threw their lot in with CSTV. CSTV's coverage is awful, by the way.

BRM
03-13-2008, 10:04 AM
According to the guide I posted it's supposed to be on Altitude. Do you get that one?

Yes I do! But I'm stuck at work... :thumbdown

BRM
03-13-2008, 10:05 AM
UK's RPI slipped back to 50 last night. Curious.

http://www.realtimerpi.com/rpi_Men.html

Did OSU jump them or was it another team?

dabvu2498
03-13-2008, 10:09 AM
Did OSU jump them or was it another team?

I don't remember how they were stacked up yesterday, but Creighton, UAB, and Ohio State are directly in front of UK as it stands now.

dabvu2498
03-13-2008, 10:14 AM
Does anyone else love that fact that a 5'6 kid was player of the year in the Big Sky conference as much as I do?

BRM
03-13-2008, 10:17 AM
I don't remember how they were stacked up yesterday, but Creighton, UAB, and Ohio State are directly in front of UK as it stands now.

None of those teams played yesterday. This is interesting.

cumberlandreds
03-13-2008, 10:25 AM
A-10 threw their lot in with CSTV. CSTV's coverage is awful, by the way.

CSTV is now CBSCN at least according to my DISH guide. CBS has take more of interest in this network and is supposed to be upgrading their overall product. They are carrying a couple of NCAA tournament games this year. One of them is the 5 pm game next Thursday and I forget the other one.

WMR
03-13-2008, 11:03 AM
Isn't it sort of funny how every one of the last few games has been a "win and you're in" for UK? I mean, at first it was show you can win on the road... then it was the Fla./UK game is a "play-in" game... now it's "Beat Ole Miss" and you're in. Just sort of amusing in a way.

dabvu2498
03-13-2008, 11:10 AM
Isn't it sort of funny how every one of the last few games has been a "win and you're in" for UK? I mean, at first it was show you can win on the road... then it was the Fla./UK game is a "play-in" game... now it's "Beat Ole Miss" and you're in. Just sort of amusing in a way.


C'est la vie with life on the bubble.

My Commodores have been there before. In 03-04, watching the selection show, Vanderbilt was in the last matchup they revealed. I was ready to scream, thinking they weren't going to get in.

BRM
03-13-2008, 11:13 AM
With an RPI of 50, I'd say a loss to Ole Miss could put the 'Cats in a very tough spot. Especially if we see another upset somewhere this week.

WMR
03-13-2008, 11:14 AM
Care to make some predictions for todays games?

dabvu2498
03-13-2008, 11:14 AM
With an RPI of 50, I'd say a loss to Ole Miss could put the 'Cats in a very tough spot. Especially if we see another upset somewhere this week.

UGa would be worse.

BRM
03-13-2008, 11:16 AM
Care to make some predictions for todays games?

Any games in particular?

dabvu2498
03-13-2008, 11:16 AM
Care to make some predictions for todays games?

USC
LSU +6

AUB
VAN +10

BAMA
UF +8

UGA
OLE MISS +2

BRM
03-13-2008, 11:18 AM
USC
LSU +6

AUB
VAN +10

BAMA
UF +8

UGA
OLE MISS +2

I agree with all of your winners.

Xavier over Dayton.

dabvu2498
03-13-2008, 11:19 AM
Xavier over Dayton.

By 14

cumberlandreds
03-13-2008, 11:22 AM
I agree with all of your winners.

Xavier over Dayton.

I'll go the opposite. Dayton is the desperate for a win team. X knows they are in.
I'll take LSU,Vandy,UF and Ole Miss is the SEC. I do think Bama will give UF all they want though.

BRM
03-13-2008, 11:23 AM
I'll take Texas Tech over Oklahoma State. My one gutsy pick for the day. ;)

WMR
03-13-2008, 11:35 AM
Georgia pulls an upset.

BRM
03-13-2008, 11:36 AM
Georgia pulls an upset.

I'm hoping they pull two upsets. ;)

dabvu2498
03-13-2008, 11:37 AM
Georgia pulls an upset.

I would think that way moreso if Ole Miss hadn't just beat them by 16 in Athens.

cumberlandreds
03-13-2008, 11:37 AM
Georgia pulls an upset.

Wouldn't surprise me. Both are thuglike teams. UK would matchup better with UGA as long as Bliss doesn't maim someone.

dabvu2498
03-13-2008, 11:39 AM
I'll say at least 2 upsets in the Pac 10. Az St. over USC and Arizona over Stanford. That'll make WilyMo sweat.

WMR
03-13-2008, 11:42 AM
Hehe. 'Zona needs to lose immediately. Yesterday, even.

joshnky
03-13-2008, 11:45 AM
I'm looking forward to the 2 Big East games tonight. U of L/Pitt and ND/Marquette. I'd like to see the Dayton/Xavier game as well but it's an early game and ESPN isn't carrying it.

An interesting fact regarding the UofL-Pitt game is that Pitt has eliminated Louisville in this tourney two years in a row. The Courier-Journal had the following quote:


Advancing in the tournament has been a near-constant for the Panthers (23-9), who've made it to the final in six of the past seven years. They're 19-8 in the Garden since 2001 and often have one of the largest fan followings in the tournament.

Granted this a a much better Louisville team and those were better Pitt teams but it still gives your reason to pause. I still think Louisville should handle them.

BRM
03-13-2008, 11:46 AM
I can see Arizona over Stanford.

BRM
03-13-2008, 11:47 AM
I can't wait to watch the U of L/Pitt game tonight. And I'll have the house to myself. Hoops and beer all night. Awesome!!

dabvu2498
03-13-2008, 12:13 PM
I just looked at the broadcast list you posted, cumberland. If you had access to all those networks, you could watch 45 different games today.

That makes me tear up a bit.

dabvu2498
03-13-2008, 12:21 PM
G-town smacking Nova so far. And UD off to a hot start vs. X.

WMR
03-13-2008, 12:27 PM
If 'Nova loses are they out? I think so.

dabvu2498
03-13-2008, 12:27 PM
If 'Nova loses are they out? I think so.

Yeah.

dabvu2498
03-13-2008, 12:33 PM
X asserting itself. 13-0 run.

WMR
03-13-2008, 12:41 PM
Is Dayton out with a loss?

BRM
03-13-2008, 12:43 PM
Is Dayton out with a loss?

RPI of 30 coming in. You would think they would still be in.

Puffy
03-13-2008, 12:46 PM
If 'Nova loses are they out? I think so.

20+ wins, a first round win over Syracuse, most competititve conference (top to bottom) in the land.

They'd still have an argument. Depends on how other bubbles do. But they need to at least keep the G'town game close

dabvu2498
03-13-2008, 12:49 PM
RPI of 30 coming in. You would think they would still be in.

Disagree. This is a different team than the one that built that 30 RPI (no Chris Wright).

A loss in this game may actually help their RPI, for that mattter.

dabvu2498
03-13-2008, 12:57 PM
Nice run by Dayton to close the half at a 6 point deficit. They've gotten nothing from their bigs and are only 2-8 from the 3.

WMR
03-13-2008, 01:03 PM
Jesus H. Raycom sucks balls.

dabvu2498
03-13-2008, 01:05 PM
Jesus H. Raycom sucks balls.

How's that?

WMR
03-13-2008, 01:09 PM
It's just such a mickey mouse broadcast... sub-par cameras... poor production values... bad t.v. deal overall for the SEC.

dabvu2498
03-13-2008, 01:10 PM
It's just such a mickey mouse broadcast... sub-par cameras... poor production values... bad t.v. deal overall for the SEC.

You should see the UD-X game. It makes Raycom look like the Fnal 4.

WMR
03-13-2008, 01:14 PM
Heh.

cumberlandreds
03-13-2008, 01:16 PM
It's just such a mickey mouse broadcast... sub-par cameras... poor production values... bad t.v. deal overall for the SEC.


SEC should be ashamed at the coverage they have for their own tournament. Only game that is nationwide is the finals. Surely they could at least have a contract with ESPN Classic to show these games nationally.

WMR
03-13-2008, 01:22 PM
Gtown = overrated

dabvu2498
03-13-2008, 01:24 PM
Gtown = overrated

Agree... somewhat. I don't think that style of play suits that team.

Get nervous, WilyMo. UD-X tied.

BRM
03-13-2008, 01:24 PM
Wow. A 10-0 run to start the second half for 'Nova.

dabvu2498
03-13-2008, 01:25 PM
UD up 3, 14 min to go.

Flyers hitting everything.

WMR
03-13-2008, 01:32 PM
It would be sort of funny to see Gtown lose even if it did potentially hurt UK.

dabvu2498
03-13-2008, 01:34 PM
UD-X is a nice game... if someone would please take the officials' whistles away!!!

dabvu2498
03-13-2008, 01:41 PM
X back up 8. They're good.

BRM
03-13-2008, 01:43 PM
X back up 8. They're good.

The Hoyas are back up too.

dabvu2498
03-13-2008, 01:46 PM
The Hoyas are back up too.

UAB is up 6 at the half. Mike Davis fans rejoice!

BRM
03-13-2008, 01:48 PM
Texas Tech and Oklahoma State have went back and forth all afternoon.

Mike Davis has fans? I mean, besides Myles Brand?

cumberlandreds
03-13-2008, 01:50 PM
Looks like South Carolina and LSU are having a good game. USC is up three at the half.

dabvu2498
03-13-2008, 01:52 PM
Mike Davis has fans? I mean, besides Myles Brand?

Gene Bartow... and Murray, I guess.

UD's big guys are killing them. Burrell doing a great job on Roberts in the 2nd half.

BRM
03-13-2008, 01:56 PM
Looks like you can relax some 'Cats fans. G-town and Xavier are in control.

cumberlandreds
03-13-2008, 01:58 PM
Looks like you can relax some 'Cats fans. G-town and Xavier are in control.

I think Villanova will be in regardless. In fact I believe all eight of the Big East teams playing today will be in.