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klw
03-12-2008, 10:41 AM
Per Trent


Does winning in spring matter?
It matters when you win, kind of. When you lose, then it's only spring training.
:)



On the young guys -- Drew Stubbs, Jose Castro -- getting to play:
It's the same thing I've been doing since I've been managing, if you come over, you're going to play. They don't come over to sit. You like to see who you want to call back, who wants to be in that situation and who doesn't. I like the young guys coming over and playing.

I remember those days, I remember when they had phone booths in the lockerroom and I'd go right there and call my dad. Someone's going to call home today.
I love the image of the Rookie calling home to say they played

nate
03-12-2008, 10:48 AM
I love the image of the Rookie calling home to say they played

Heh, yeah...pretty cool for the player and their folks!

paulrichjr
03-12-2008, 12:20 PM
I am being completely serious on this...

Has Dusty not already said 50X more things than Narron did in his entire stint here? I know Dusty gets a bad rap but there is a part of me that really likes him as manager. He certainly keeps it interesting.

Jpup
03-13-2008, 06:49 AM
He certainly keeps it interesting.

wait until the games start. :)

RedlegJake
03-13-2008, 11:24 AM
wait until the games start. :)

after Bob Boone, Dave Miley and Jerry Narron, I can't wait for the games to start! I guess I'm one of the few who like Baker and think he got a bad rap in Chicago.

KronoRed
03-13-2008, 02:46 PM
wait until the games start. :)

Then we riot :D

wheels
03-13-2008, 03:14 PM
I personally enjoy Dusty the Person.

I'm gonna have some problems with the nuts and bolts, but I find him to be a very entertaining fella.

Much more beguiling than the Huckleberry types they've been passing for managers over the years.

OnBaseMachine
03-14-2008, 01:56 PM
I love the fact that he realizes Votto is a slow starter and probably won't panic if he struggles in ST and parts of April.

* Your daily dose of Dusty (imagine a little Jay-Z in the background, because it was there:

On the former players in camp -- Jack Billingham, Eric Davis, Lee May and Ken Griffey Sr. were all in today:
These guys are amazing. I tell these guys, you better soak up every bit you can. Get their numbers if you need to talk to them about anything, talk to them. Most of the time the old-timers aren't going to volunteer stuff, you've got to go to them. Todd Benzinger and I played first base. Cesar Geronimo played outfield, when to use your arm and when not to use it. Talk to Jack Billingham about the slider, that was his specialty when I faced him, the sinker and the slider. I didn't know he was so big. I faced him, but damn. Most guys I run into now, they either shrunk or I grew. Dang, he looks bigger than I remember.

Dusty was on deck when Billingham gave up Hank Aaron's 714:
I faced him. I don't remember what I did after Hank's home run

Billingham told Hal McCoy about Dusty: 'I wasn't watching who was on deck.'
I believe that, that's how it usually was. I'm not ashamed of that. He's telling the truth.

Dusty had hit 5 homers off Billingham, who knew the number.
I didn't want to say that.

Billingham told Hal, only 6 RBIs on those 5 HR
It wasn't my fault Hank cleared them -- what am I supposed to do?

Hank used to help me out on how to hit those guys and then when he left, we were lost for a while. He'd tell me to look for this, look on the outside, stay off Tom Seaver's high fastball, make them get it below the waist. Hank had an idea -- make them get the ball up. Last night Anderson asked me what to do against a side-arming lefty late in teh game -- those are good questions, great questions. You tuck when he tucks and make him get the ball up.

Ted Power was telling me you don't know who is listening until later. He said I helped him when he was coming up, he used what Hank told me. I'm not making up anything, just remembering what was told. I'd ask Hank how to play a guy and he said to watch him on the on-deck circle, their practice cuts would tell you how they liked to hit the ball. If his feet are turned, he's going to pull, if they're in, he's going the other way. Ask Teddy about it, I was shocked he remembered.

He told me he had great success against the Dodgers because you watch your own hitters, too.

Mario Soto was talking with Homer Bailey the other day. I told Homer to go talk to Mario during the game because Dick's busy during the game. I saw him down there all game. I liked that. It's like going to school.

On Votto
I'm going to talk to him. I see a lot from him. This guy's upside is tremendous. He can run, he's got a good, strong arm. He works hard defensively, he's got some sock. He's one of the guys, I tell you, that you don't want to use what he's done during the spring, you take what he's done in the course of a year and what you see now. Also, you track a guy's start and finish. You saw him last year at the end, he was on a roll. But they told me he hit .185 last April. That could show he may be a slow starter. These are things I take into consideration.

Upcoming cuts?
I just don't know when, today or tomorrow. I've got to talk to Wayne, because I've got a lineup. I've got to tell these guys who is going on the trip and who is not. Shortly here, I hope we have a meeting with all of us to get everybody's input on what they think.

Next week we'll start using the pitcher hitting next week, I think. We've got to get some pitchers hitting, the fact we used the DH we got a lot of the catchers ABs they wouldn't normally get. Talking to Hanigan he had three at-bats last year and one the year before. There's only so many spots, especially with the catchers.

Especially guys, if they're going to make the club, like Cueto and Volquez, I don't know if Volquez has ever hit or bunt. Seeing guys like Barry Zito, if they haven't done it all the way through, it's hard to give them a crash course on bunting and hitting. They start getting jelly-legged facing this side of 95 instead of the other side.

On sorting out the bullpen:
It's a good problem. The problem right now is how to sort out the bullpen, center field and utility positions. There are some guys playing pretty good as utility players. But that's good. Whoever doesn't make it, we have some backup, which I heard hasn't been the case here.

On Jolbert Cabrera:
Even his outs are hard. He hit four or five balls on the nose and has nothing to show for it. It's not only hits, but if you're stinging the ball, that counts to me, big time. That means there's a lot of hits right around the corner if you keep stinging the ball.

He loves baseball. Maybe the odds were against him where he was. He went to Japan for two years. One thing's for sure, if you go to Japan, you're going to learn how to hit the breaking ball or you're going home. Trust me. I played in Mexico, I saw some breaking balls... But that's why they sent me there, to learn how to hit the breaking ball. When I came back, they weren't breaking the way they were when I left. I was seeing sidearm, underhand, 3-1, 2-0, 2-1 breaking balls. God. In Japan they have the shuuto. Those guys over there, they've got some movement. Look at Cecil Fielder, he came back better than when he left. Davey Johnson went over and came back -- he was a good hitter when he left.


* FYI the shuuto is like a right-handed screwball, but it's harder than the traditional screwball. It darts in on a right-handed batter, away from a lefty.

http://1530homer.com/pages/ctrent.html

NJReds
03-14-2008, 02:06 PM
Great stuff. Thanks for posting.

edabbs44
03-14-2008, 02:40 PM
Why bring up that Votto has a nice, strong arm?

Other than that, good to hear.

KronoRed
03-14-2008, 03:29 PM
Why bring up that Votto has a nice, strong arm?


Hello future left fielder :D

pedro
03-14-2008, 03:52 PM
maybe because he does.

Steve4192
03-14-2008, 04:38 PM
Why bring up that Votto has a nice, strong arm?

Because it comes in handy in getting force outs at second base and starting the 3-6-3 double play.

Steve4192
03-14-2008, 04:40 PM
The problem right now is how to sort out the bullpen, center field and utility positions.

I think it bodes well for Votto that first base is not on Dusty's list of things that need to be sorted out.

Puffy
03-14-2008, 04:41 PM
Why bring up that Votto has a nice, strong arm?

Other than that, good to hear.

Maybe because first basemen take cutoff throws and then throw to either a base or the plate? Maybe because a first basemen would have to throw to second base on a pickoff? Maybe because a first basemen would throw to third base on certain sac bunt attempts?

Just maybe

Chip R
03-14-2008, 04:42 PM
Maybe because first basemen take cutoff throws and then throw to either a base or the plate? Maybe because a first basemen would have to throw to second base on a pickoff? Maybe because a first basemen would throw to third base on certain sac bunt attempts?

Just maybe


Man, that's just crazy talk.

Steve4192
03-14-2008, 04:46 PM
Maybe because first basemen take cutoff throws and then throw to either a base or the plate? Maybe because a first basemen would have to throw to second base on a pickoff? Maybe because a first basemen would throw to third base on certain sac bunt attempts?

Yep.

While throwing arm certainly isn't at the top of the list on attributes you look for in a first basemen, it is a nice luxury to have a guy there who can throw.

sonny
03-14-2008, 11:50 PM
If Votto's not the starting 1B on opening day, I will withdraw my vote of confidence to a Mr. Dusty Baker.

edabbs44
03-15-2008, 12:02 AM
Maybe because first basemen take cutoff throws and then throw to either a base or the plate? Maybe because a first basemen would have to throw to second base on a pickoff? Maybe because a first basemen would throw to third base on certain sac bunt attempts?

Just maybe

While true, I'd have to say that a first baseman's arm isn't something that typically gets brought up when assessing said first baseman.

It's kind of like the dreaded "she has a great personality" line.

Ron Madden
03-15-2008, 08:19 AM
"Manager Of The Year" would make me much happier than "Entertainer Of The Year".

;)

GAC
03-15-2008, 09:36 AM
after Bob Boone, Dave Miley and Jerry Narron, I can't wait for the games to start!

We've already went through Porthos, Athos, and Aramis. I guess it's d'Artagnan's turn. :lol:

OnBaseMachine
03-15-2008, 10:02 AM
Numbers don't add up
Baker unfazed by Votto's offensive struggles early in camp
BY JOHN FAY | JFAY@ENQUIRER.COM

SARASOTA, Fla. - Joey Votto would seem to be one of the players with the most to prove to Reds manager Dusty Baker this spring.

After all, Votto has only 24 games and 84 at-bats worth of big-league experience.

But Baker is looking at more than Votto's .172 average.

"Strange you should ask about him. I'm going to talk to him. I see a lot from him," Baker said. "His upside is tremendous. He can run. He's got a good arm. He's got some sock."

Votto, a 24-year-old first baseman, is aware of his numbers so far. But he's not concerned.

"Everything's fine," Votto said. "I feel way more ready than any spring training in the past. I have to admit in the past my motivation wasn't on the same level it is now. It's not like I wasn't playing 100 percent or anything. I just felt like I could get ready a little later. I feel like I need to get ready earlier for different reasons."

Votto is battling with Scott Hatteberg for the first-base job.

Baker isn't giving any clues as to who is winning the job.

Votto has 29 at-bats, Hatteberg 28. Hatteberg has outhit Votto - .357 to .172 - so far.

But Baker won't make a decision based on spring alone.

"He's one of those guys you don't want to use what he's done in the spring," Baker said. "You want to use what he's done over the course of the year and what you see now."

Votto hit .294 with 22 home runs and 92 RBI for Triple-A Louisville last year. He wasn't promoted until September. He responded by hitting .321 with four home runs and 17 RBI in 21 starts.

"You track a guy's start and finish," Baker said. "You saw him last year at the end. He was rolling. They told me he hit .185 last April. That can show you he may be a slow starter."

Votto's slow start last year was partially due to his eyes.

"I haven't been a great starter," Votto said. "Last year, I did have some eye problems before I figured out I needed a set of contacts."

Votto has hit the ball hard at time with nothing to show for it.

"It's a little of both," he said. "I'm not hitting anywhere near the way I hit in the regular season. I'm making progress and the right progress."

He did manage to accomplish a rarity Thursday. He struck out twice in the same inning - once swinging, once taking against Philadelphia's Jamie Moyer.

"I didn't realize that until (Friday) morning," Votto said. "I had to think back: Both times I struck out. That's probably the first time."

Votto is confident enough that he doesn't think a bad at-bat or a bad game will cost him, so he's trying to prepare as if this were a normal spring.

"I really do feel like they have a good handle on it, who they want to take up north," he said. "I've got to get myself ready to play - whether I hit .500 or .150."

That is not to say that he wants to go north hitting .150.

"I've got another 2 weeks," he said. "I know I'm going to get it going."

http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/AB/20080315/SPT04/803150402/

WebScorpion
03-17-2008, 12:46 PM
I love some of Dusty's quotes too. He's not afraid to say the wrong thing...he just lays it out there. I like th efact that he's smart enough to know one Spring Training doesn't tell much about some players too. My favorite quote out of this bunch is this one:


Mario Soto was talking with Homer Bailey the other day. I told Homer to go talk to Mario during the game because Dick's busy during the game. I saw him down there all game. I liked that. It's like going to school.

http://1530homer.com/pages/ctrent.html

The thought of Homer Bailey's fastball and curve, augmented by a Soto-esque circle change and plenty of AAA time to perfect it. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/love008.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

I believe Bailey is still destined for greatness, if we can just wait for it to come in its own time.

dougdirt
03-17-2008, 01:46 PM
I want to know why a pitching coach is too busy during the game to talk to his starting pitcher....

Caveat Emperor
03-17-2008, 01:53 PM
While true, I'd have to say that a first baseman's arm isn't something that typically gets brought up when assessing said first baseman.

It's kind of like the dreaded "she has a great personality" line.

I read it as quite the opposite. Dusty professes a love for good fundamental ball. Having him compliment an aspect of your fundamentals (throwing, fielding, running, etc.) is a good thing.


I want to know why a pitching coach is too busy during the game to talk to his starting pitcher....

Probably because he's busy evaluating the next guy out on the mound...

Highlifeman21
03-17-2008, 02:57 PM
I want to know why a pitching coach is too busy during the game to talk to his starting pitcher....

I took it as Bailey hadn't been in the game and talked to Soto b/c Pole was dealing with pitchers that were in the game.

I can't imagine Pole would ignore Bailey if Bailey had just been in the game.

Falls City Beer
03-17-2008, 02:59 PM
Dusty likes athletes. Get used to it.

Ltlabner
03-17-2008, 03:06 PM
maybe because he does.

Ballpayers have to, like, throw the ball?

Cosmic.

coachw513
03-19-2008, 09:53 AM
Clearly, this thread should become a daily part of our routine...as has said by many, the man certainly will say what's on his mind...

From todays DDN:


I miss my dog (Bailey). She is the best woman in my life, and that's no slight on my mom, my wife and my daughter. My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." Dusty Baker on his loyal 11-year-old German short-haired pointer.

Wonder if he gets to sleep on the couch after this one :D

BCubb2003
03-19-2008, 09:54 AM
Maybe if Homer ran and got him a pheasant ...

RedsManRick
03-19-2008, 09:55 AM
Oh my gosh. Dusty hates OBP, and children, and world peace. The world is going to end!

RFS62
03-19-2008, 09:56 AM
Maybe if Homer ran and got him a pheasant ...

:laugh:

Chip R
03-19-2008, 10:13 AM
What does Dusty have against English Spaniels?

dfs
03-19-2008, 10:13 AM
Oh my gosh. Dusty hates OBP, and children, and world peace. The world is going to end!

Well, yeah, but he likes his dog.

Great idea for a thread.

princeton
03-19-2008, 10:16 AM
Homer's got him wondering if all Baileys are dogs


Dusty is definitely setting himself up to find 55 dead pheasants in his office soon...

redsmetz
03-19-2008, 10:23 AM
Did Bailey (the pitcher) have a hunting knife with him? I think this Bailey does need to bring Dusty a pheasant.

puca
03-19-2008, 11:03 AM
Dusty is definitely setting himself up to find 55 dead pheasants in his office soon...

Exactly what I was thinking.

Vada Pinson Fan
03-19-2008, 11:09 AM
Homer's got him wondering if all Baileys are all dogs

No. Dusty knows some Baileys are Irish Creme.

redsrule2500
03-19-2008, 11:38 AM
haha how freaking random is this guy? I like it.

Caveat Emperor
03-19-2008, 01:48 PM
What does Dusty have against English Spaniels?

They stand in the box and take too many walks.

coachw513
03-26-2008, 12:22 PM
Today's Dusty gems:

From today's DDN, regarding if Dusty is worried that EE is going to hit:

"Not really," he said. "You have to look at the back of his bubble-gum card and guys who have hit are going to hit."

Baker smiled and said, "It's like Shawon Dunston used to say, 'If I'm hot and hitting, I sleep like Tony Gwynn sleeps all the time.' "

"When you're not hitting, you're not sleeping," said Baker. "You might go to sleep, but you don't stay asleep."

In my world of happy thoughts, this might explain my confidence that Dusty has long ago made Votto his 1st baseman and wasn't too worried about him either...