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WMR
03-13-2008, 03:25 PM
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Rocket_Fuel
03-15-2008, 06:33 PM
Kentucky be headed home!

guttle11
03-15-2008, 07:03 PM
This thread is illegitimate.

jmac
03-15-2008, 08:48 PM
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WMR, did you hear anything on the Stevenson swat ?
I know what the announcers said but still, to me it is pretty silly to "assume" a lane violation would be called and swat a freethrow attempt away. I know the odds arent good they would have scored anyway if the shot missed but still a play that had me shalking my head.

WVRed
03-15-2008, 10:13 PM
I figured WillyMo would be happy about this.

http://www.courier-journal.com/blogs/demling/blog.html


Dakotah Euton is changing high schools.
The University of Kentucky commitment, who is considered the state's top sophomore, is leaving Rose Hill Christian in Ashland and will play his final two years of high school basketball at Scott County in Georgetown.

Clay Euton, the player's father, told The Courier-Journal this afternoon that he's changing jobs and the family relocating is to Georgetown.

The elder Euton an engineer for Woolpert, Inc., said his current employer is closing its Ashland office. He had an opportunity to take a transfer to Charlotte or Orlando but opted to take a job with Lexington-based CMTA Engineering Consultants.

"Dakotah has been really mature about this," Clay Euton said. "He understands the situation with my employment. At first, he was really leery about it but now he's excited. He'll be closer (to UK) and be able to workout and play with the guys. We didn't want to leave but it's a good situation for Dakotah."

Clay Euton said the family looked at a number of different options, including some of the private schools in the Lexington area but they opted for Scott County. The Cardinals are a perennial power and won a state championship last season.

"He knew he would have some good teammates and we looked at the facilities," Clay Euton said. "A big factor was the schedule the team was willing to play. That's really what helped us make our decision."

The family seriously considered the Charlotte option, but Clay Euton said his son wanted to stay in the Bluegrass State.

"One of his main goals is to win Mr. Kentucky basketball," Clay Euton said. "If he will win it or not, I don't know but I didn't want to take away his chance. Dakotah did not want to leave the state of Kentucky."

The 6-foot-8 Euton committed to UK last spring. He averaged 20 points and 10 rebounds as a sophomore after making second-team on The C-J's All-State team as a freshman. He's ranked as one of the top-50 prospects nationally in the Class of 2010.

Euton will likely begin school at Scott County in early May.

There were rumors that he would end up at Lexington Christian, which I think would have been believable since Euton attended Rose Hill since the 4th grade. Since I did attend school there, I do feel somewhat sorry to see the Royals go through losing another star player again.

There is talk on Kentucky Ink that there may be one more highly sought after players joining him at Scott County. My guess would be Chad Jackson leaving Rose Hill as well, but I did hear K.C. Ross-Miller. That would be impressive.

joshnky
03-16-2008, 09:40 AM
WMR, did you hear anything on the Stevenson swat ?
I know what the announcers said but still, to me it is pretty silly to "assume" a lane violation would be called and swat a freethrow attempt away. I know the odds arent good they would have scored anyway if the shot missed but still a play that had me shalking my head.

Apparently, BillyG told Stephenson to do it not knowing it was a technical foul.


The second call came after Porter's inbounds pass sailed out of bounds. UK fouled Georgia's Corey Butler before the Bulldogs could get the ball inbounds. He made the first of two free throws, but Perry Stevenson swatted away the second.

By rule, that's a technical foul.

Gillispie, who wanted to make sure his team got a chance to inbound the ball, wanted to prevent an intentional miss by Georgia. He assumed the call would be goaltending and was unaware of the technical-foul rule.

UK has practiced the play before, Stevenson said.

"We wanted to be three (points) down, and I didn't know the rule," Gillispie said. "I didn't know it's an automatic technical, so that's my fault."

jmac
03-16-2008, 11:24 AM
Apparently, BillyG told Stephenson to do it not knowing it was a technical foul.

Wow.
You would think a coach would know that. Myself, no I didnt.
The announcer called it right away however.

Razor Shines
03-16-2008, 12:37 PM
Wow.
You would think a coach would know that. Myself, no I didnt.
The announcer called it right away however.

I can't believe Billy G didn't know that was a tech, especially if it's something they practiced. I have friends who ref so I knew it was a tech. Either way that was awesome.

WVRed
03-16-2008, 02:13 PM
One thing Gillispie has done since coming to UK has been take up for the players. To be honest, I doubt we will ever know if Gillispie did instruct Stevenson to swat the ball not knowing, or if Perry just made a mistake.

If it weren't for the no-call before, the progress made by Perry Stevenson since the start of the season likely would have been diminished in a lot of fans minds. Gillispie is probably taking the blame so Perry doesn't suffer the brunt of fan backlash.

TeamSelig
03-16-2008, 03:23 PM
I dunno... I'd say he probably did, not knowing the rules. I hadn't heard of it. Of course everyone will admit that they knew that rule. But why wasn't the lane violation called? (or was it?) I'm guessing because that would have been "abusing" the rules.

WVRed
03-16-2008, 05:06 PM
I dunno... I'd say he probably did, not knowing the rules. I hadn't heard of it. Of course everyone will admit that they knew that rule. But why wasn't the lane violation called? (or was it?) I'm guessing because that would have been "abusing" the rules.

I read something on another board that made sense.

Kentucky was trying to step into the lane to keep Georgia from banking it off the rim, letting time run off the clock. They would have done so until Georgia made the free throw. Problem is, it was a technical to swat the ball, which is what Stevenson did.

dabvu2498
03-18-2008, 09:30 AM
AP All-SEC Teams were released yesterday:

SEC Postseason Awards

FIRST TEAM
u-Shan Foster, Vanderbilt, F, 6-6, Sr.
u-Jamont Gordon, Mississippi State, G-F, 6-4, Jr.
Richard Hendrix, Alabama, F, 6-8, Jr.
Chris Lofton, Tennessee, G, 6-2, Sr.
Tyler Smith, Tennessee, F, 6-7, So.
Devan Downey, South Carolina, G, 5-9, So.

SECOND TEAM
Charles Rhodes, Mississippi State, F, 6-8, Sr.
Patrick Patterson, Kentucky, F, 6-9, Fr.
Ramel Bradley, Kentucky, G, 6-2, Sr.
Marcus Thornton, LSU, G, 6-4, Jr.
Nick Calathes, Florida, G-F, 6-6, Fr.
Sonny Weems, Arkansas, F, 6-6, Sr.
Dwayne Curtis, Mississippi, C, 6-8, Sr.

HONORABLE MENTION
Joe Crawford, Kentucky, G, 6-5, Sr.
Sundiata Gaines, Georgia, G, 6-1, Sr.
A.J. Ogilvy, Vanderbilt, C, 6-10, Fr.
Anthony Randolph, LSU, F, 6-10, Fr.
JaJuan Smith, Tennessee, G, 6-2, Sr.
Jarvis Varnado, Mississippi State, C, 6-9, So.

PLAYER OF THE YEAR - Shan Foster, Vanderbilt
COACH OF THE YEAR - Bruce Pearl, Tennessee
NEWCOMER OF THE YEAR - Nick Calathes, Florida

BRM
03-18-2008, 10:27 AM
The Rocky Top man is Coach of the Year!

:beerme:

macro
03-18-2008, 12:56 PM
The Cats will put an impressive streak on the line Thursday. Not only do they have the third-longest current streak of making the tournament, they have the longest current streak of making at least the Round of 32, and by a long shot...



Men's NCAA Basketball Tournament : Current Streaks : Round of 32


Kentucky 16 years - 1992..2007
North Carolina 4 years - 2004..2007
Florida 3 years - 2005..2007
Boston College 2 years - 2006..2007
Georgetown 2 years - 2006..2007
Indiana 2 years - 2006..2007
Memphis 2 years - 2006..2007
Ohio State 2 years - 2006..2007
Pittsburgh 2 years - 2006..2007
Tennessee 2 years - 2006..2007
Texas A&M 2 years - 2006..2007
Texas 2 years - 2006..2007
UCLA 2 years - 2006..2007
Butler 1 year - 2007
Kansas 1 year - 2007
Louisville 1 year - 2007
Maryland 1 year - 2007
Michigan State 1 year - 2007
Nevada 1 year - 2007
Oregon 1 year - 2007
Purdue 1 year - 2007
Southern California 1 year - 2007
Southern Illinois 1 year - 2007
UNLV 1 year - 2007
Vanderbilt 1 year - 2007
Virginia Commonwealth 1 year - 2007
Virginia Tech 1 year - 2007
Virginia 1 year - 2007
Washington State 1 year - 2007
Winthrop 1 year - 2007
Wisconsin 1 year - 2007
Xavier 1 year - 2007

This streak is the second-longest such streak in the history of the tournament...


Men's NCAA Basketball Tournament : All Time Streaks : Round of 32


North Carolina 24 years - 1975..1998
Kentucky 16 years - 1992..2007
Kansas 15 years - 1990..2004
Duke 11 years - 1984..1994
Georgetown 11 years - 1982..1992
Duke 10 years - 1997..2006
Stanford 10 years - 1995..2004
Marquette 9 years - 1971..1979
UNLV 9 years - 1983..1991
Arkansas 8 years - 1989..1996
Cincinnati 8 years - 1995..2002
Idaho State 8 years - 1953..1960
Louisville 8 years - 1977..1984
Notre Dame 8 years - 1974..1981
Oklahoma 8 years - 1983..1990
Syracuse 8 years - 1973..1980
Syracuse 8 years - 1983..1990
Illinois 7 years - 2000..2006
Maryland 7 years - 1998..2004
Purdue 7 years - 1994..2000
UCLA 7 years - 1975..1981
Michigan 6 years - 1985..1990
Pennsylvania 6 years - 1970..1975
Utah 6 years - 1995..2000
Villanova 6 years - 1980..1985
Weber State 6 years - 1968..1973
West Virginia 6 years - 1955..1960
Arkansas 5 years - 1981..1985
Connecticut 5 years - 1956..1960
Connecticut 5 years - 2002..2006
DePaul 5 years - 1978..1982
Indiana 5 years - 1980..1984
Iowa 5 years - 1979..1983
Kansas 5 years - 1984..1988
Massachusetts 5 years - 1992..1996
New Mexico State 5 years - 1967..1971
Oklahoma State 5 years - 1991..1995
St John's 5 years - 1976..1980
Temple 5 years - 1984..1988
Tennessee 5 years - 1979..1983
Wake Forest 5 years - 1993..1997

And finally, can you guess the most frequent matchup between two teams in NCAA Tournament history?


Men's NCAA Basketball Tournament : Most Frequent match-ups

Games Wins Wins
7 4 Marquette 3 Kentucky
6 5 Ohio State 1 Kentucky
6 5 UCLA 1 San Francisco
6 6 Kentucky 0 Utah
5 3 Duke 2 Connecticut
5 3 Duke 2 Kansas
5 3 Kentucky 2 Duke
5 3 Kentucky 2 Louisville
4 2 Indiana 2 Kansas
4 3 Kentucky 1 Florida State
4 4 Kentucky 0 Illinois
4 4 Indiana 0 LSU
4 2 Arkansas 2 Louisville
4 3 Marquette 1 Miami OH
4 3 Michigan State 1 Kentucky
4 3 North Carolina 1 Michigan
4 4 North Carolina 0 Michigan State
4 3 North Carolina 1 Ohio State
4 3 Seattle 1 Idaho State
4 3 Oregon State 1 Seattle
4 3 St John's 1 Temple
4 2 Indiana 2 UCLA
4 3 UCLA 1 Iowa State
4 4 UCLA 0 Kansas
4 3 UCLA 1 Louisville
4 3 UCLA 1 Michigan
4 4 UCLA 0 New Mexico State
4 3 North Carolina 1 Villanova


This will mark the eighth meeting between Kentucky and Marquette in the NCAA Tournament.

cumberlandreds
03-18-2008, 01:28 PM
Some good info Macro! I knew they had played Marquette quite a few times. I could remember five myself. That's a nice streak of winning at least one game too. Marquette is a winnable game for them and I think they will win.

Chip R
03-18-2008, 01:34 PM
Speaking of Kentucky, and this is football related, Guy Morriss is back in the Commonwealth.

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/news?slug=ap-kentuckystate-morriss&prov=ap&type=lgns

joshnky
03-18-2008, 01:34 PM
Marquette is a winnable game for them and I think they will win.

I agree with this. Marquette has been overrated all year and seems to crumble to good defensive teams. Louisville destroyed them both times they played them this year as they shut down the perimeter game. The match up between Dominic James and Ramel Bradley should be fun to watch.

Despite what I said above I'm still picking Marquette to win. Each year I can't bring myself to pick UK to win a game. This makes things particularly difficult when they're a 1 or 2 seed. ;)

BRM
03-18-2008, 01:36 PM
Tubby Smith never got upset in the 1st round? Who woulda thunk it?

George Foster
03-18-2008, 10:51 PM
Tubby Smith never got upset in the 1st round? Who woulda thunk it?

Tubby Smith won't be upset in the 1st round of the NCAA this year as well....

jmac
03-18-2008, 11:05 PM
Tubby Smith won't be upset in the 1st round of the NCAA this year as well....

And the streak continues...;)

WVRed
03-19-2008, 08:25 AM
Tubby Smith won't be upset in the 1st round of the NCAA this year as well....

Nah, he usually waits until the second round to lay an egg. Ask UAB.

BRM
03-19-2008, 10:07 AM
Tubby Smith won't be upset in the 1st round of the NCAA this year as well....

No, but he got beat in the 1st round of the NIT...

dabvu2498
03-19-2008, 10:09 AM
No, but he got beat in the 1st round of the NIT...

How un-Dave Odom-esque.

Heath
03-19-2008, 10:22 AM
How un-Dave Odom-esque.

South Carolina's got a decision to make for the new coach. There's actually some talent in Columbia basketball wise.

dabvu2498
03-19-2008, 10:28 AM
South Carolina's got a decision to make for the new coach. There's actually some talent in Columbia basketball wise.

That's an interesting gig. Jeff Capel is the name most associated, but he denies, of course.

Sounds like Anthony Grant is going to be the man at LSU.

BRM
03-19-2008, 10:37 AM
Kelvin Sampson is looking for work. Dan Dakich will be too here in a couple of days.

WVRed
03-19-2008, 10:53 AM
Kelvin Sampson is looking for work. Dan Dakich will be too here in a couple of days.

Sampson was mentioned for the SC gig.

BRM
03-19-2008, 10:55 AM
Sampson was mentioned for the SC gig.

I know. He was rumored there immediately after he resigned.

dabvu2498
03-19-2008, 10:57 AM
I know. He was rumored there immediately after he resigned.

Frightening.

Then again, we know how the SEC loves cheaters. ;)

The only way I see Sampson getting another gig is through a Todd Bozeman-like process.

BRM
03-19-2008, 11:00 AM
The only way I see Sampson getting another gig is through a Todd Bozeman-like process.

There is possibility he gets a "show cause" slapped on him. If that happens, he won't be landing at SC or any other major program for awhile.

WMR
03-19-2008, 02:29 PM
Speaking of Kentucky, and this is football related, Guy Morriss is back in the Commonwealth.

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/news?slug=ap-kentuckystate-morriss&prov=ap&type=lgns

He looks real smart for leaving UK now.

Heath
03-19-2008, 04:17 PM
That's an interesting gig. Jeff Capel is the name most associated, but he denies, of course.

Sounds like Anthony Grant is going to be the man at LSU.

I heard that Anthony didn't want to go to the SEC - in fact he may stay at VCU next year.

I have a dream where Grant gets the Dayton job.

FutureRedsGM
03-20-2008, 11:42 AM
C-A-T-S . . . Cats. Cats. Cats!!! Come on people. Get pumped up!!

Chip R
03-21-2008, 04:47 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=wojciechowski_gene&id=3304015&sportCat=ncb

WMR
03-21-2008, 04:52 PM
Crawford saves his best for last game of career
By John Clay
HERALD-LEADER SPORTS COLUMNIST

ANAHEIM, Calif. -- When the doors of the Kentucky locker room opened, there were Joe Crawford and Billy Gillispie locked in a bearhug.

The Cats had just lost to Marquette 74-66 in the first round of the NCAA Men's Basketball Tournament at the Honda Center on Thursday, snapping a string of 16 straight years in which the Cats had advanced past the first round.

You could say that in that hug, Coach Gillispie got closer to UK's senior guard than did Marquette, but you'd be wrong. The Golden Eagles hounded and pounded Crawford all day long, and still the Motor City Madman hit 13 shots, including five three-pointers, tying his career-high of 35 points.

Joe Crawford's final college game was his best college game.

But in the end, even with fellow backcourt mate Ramel Bradley chipping in with 19 points, it wasn't enough, the Cats' two-man game falling to Marquette's better ball-handling and deeper bench, the winners' Wes Matthews draining eight clutch free throws in the final 31 seconds.

So there were Gillispie and Crahis face, obviously in tears, needing to compose himself. When the first question came, Crawford couldn't answer. He needed a little more time.

If only this Kentucky team had a little more time.

"I've said it before," said Gillispie, outside in the hall, "but the hardest to work are always the last surrender."

A year ago, hard work, really hard work, might not have been in Crawford's skill set. You would have been surprised by his tears, taken by his emotion. Six months ago, the only place you might have expected to see Crawford's hands was around his head coach's throat.

"I thought he hated me," Crawford said near the end of the regular season, and when asked why he felt that way, he added, "Because he told me."

That was 31 games, a million hours of torturous practice, a yacht-load of team injuries, 12 conference victories, an NCAA bid, and many a changed mind ago. At the end, it was Crawford and Bradley, the two seniors, carrying the load.

On Thursday it was too much. In the five games Kentucky has played without Patrick Patterson, never have the Cats missed their formidable freshman center more than they did Thursday. "I thought the longer we played, the more we would miss Patrick," said Gillispie.

Crawford and Bradley combined to hit 19 of 37 shots Thursday. The remaining Cats were 4-for-11 from the floor. To offset Marquette's superior ball-handling and depth, Kentucky could have surely used a third scoring option. Patterson plays, Kentucky wins.

The Cats nearly won anyway. Crawford scored 12 points the first half. He scored Kentucky's first seven points to start the second, including a driving bucket that tied matters at 36-36 with 17:55 left.

Even after Marquette forged separation -- "We never got that big put-away we were looking for because Kentucky kept coming back," said Marquette Coach Tom Crean -- it was Crawford who nailed an outrageous three with 38 seconds left to send a gasp through the crowd and making it 66-63.

Bradley did likewise, sinking a three with 22.2 ticks left, knifing the margin to two points at 68-66, but Kentucky would not score again. Crawford fouled out with three ticks left, only to look up and find classy Marquette guard Dominic James meeting him at the bench to offer praise.

Meanwhile, Marquette's free throws kept on falling, followed by Kentucky's tears.

"That locker room is devastated and it should be," Gillispie said. "We came here with the intent of winning, like everyone else does."

"I'm kind of down right now," said Crawford once he had reached the interview room for the post-game news conference. "But, overall, I'm proud of what we did as a team through the season."

Crawford himself being a symbol of the season. Back in November, Joe Crawford wasn't even a starter. He was a senior bench-warmer, not sure what his new head coach wanted, wondering if he would make it to season's end.

If Joe Crawford thought Billy Gillispie didn't like him, well then Crawford wasn't too crazy about Gillispie either.

And now, parting is such sweet sorrow.

"He's done more for me than a lot of people in my life," Crawford said. "He changed the outlook everyone had on me. He changed me as a person. He got me believing. He's done so much for me and I love him for that. I don't know how I could repay him, ever."

Even in defeat, there are worse ways to end your college career.

http://www.kentucky.com/232/story/352911.html

WMR
03-21-2008, 04:53 PM
Best article of John Clay's career.

WVRed
03-21-2008, 05:43 PM
Best article of John Clay's career.

Amen.

On the other hand, I was really glad to see Ramel Bradley graduate last night. I do believe that was part of Crawford's problem at Kentucky.

GoReds33
03-21-2008, 08:20 PM
What do you think UK's chances are of getting Scotty Hopson. Reportedly he's down to Kentucky, Cincinnati, Tennessee, and Miss. State, in no particular order.

WVRed
03-21-2008, 10:48 PM
What do you think UK's chances are of getting Scotty Hopson. Reportedly he's down to Kentucky, Cincinnati, Tennessee, and Miss. State, in no particular order.

I'd take Cincinnati and Miss State out and say its between Kentucky and Tennessee.

And that will be decided by whether or not Bruce Pearl takes the IU job. If he leaves, I think Hopson goes to Kentucky. If Pearl stays, Hopson may go to Tennessee.

WMR
03-21-2008, 10:49 PM
Yeah, I think it's a 2-horse race at this point...

GoReds33
03-21-2008, 11:40 PM
I put Mississippi State in there just because that was his original commitment. After he decommitted, that was the end of that. What have you heard that puts UC out of the equation? I think that the Big East's contract with ESPN would give him more exposure nationally than the SEC gives him, though UK is on national tv alot.

I would speculate that UK and Tennessee are his top two, in no order. I would say that UC is in the picture, but way in the background.

WMR
03-24-2008, 01:35 PM
UK Basketball: Barnhart pleased with Gillispie's performance

By LARRY VAUGHT
larry@amnews.com

Kentucky athletics director Mitch Barnhart isn't worried that Billy Gillispie has not signed an official contract and sees no reason to worry about the first-year coach leaving the Wildcats.

"We have the memorandum of understanding and it is not a real big deal to us," said Barnhart, who was here to watch UK play in the NCAA Tournament. "He (Gillispie) is OK with where we are. If he wants to revisit it, that's fine. We are very comfortable in the relationship.

"I enjoy working with Billy. I love his intensity and his passion. I think that he truly enjoys being in a place that basketball is so important. I think he has seen the passion of the fans here. Sometimes that can be overwhelming, but if you are a basketball guy like Billy is and you have fans that basketball is important to 365 days a year, it is really special.

"I think he has begun to appreciate just how special basketball is to Kentucky and the national scope of college basketball. He likes that."

That's why Barnhart doesn't see any reason for Gillispie to want to leave Kentucky.

"I think that certainly from a basketball perspective in terms of facilities and those kinds of things, we don't lack in anything. We have everything a coach wants. We have a great practice facility, great technology and great arena," Barnhart said.

"From a player perspective and all the things he wants to get done there, those things take time. But I think there is an energy about what he is doing in recruiting and getting his things in place that will benefit us for a long time to come. I am excited for him."

Basketball junkie

Barnhart thinks Kentucky is the perfect fit for a basketball junkie like Gillispie, who led UK to an 18-13 record and NCAA Tournament berth.

"For a guy who is an absolute basketball guy like Billy is, this is a place where he can have one of the most remarkable runs if he truly wants to and the NBA doesn't entice you away or some other things happen," Barnhart said. "He can have one of those runs in college basketball that can be long remembered, long appreciated and long successful if he wants to here."

So does Barnhart anticipate a peaceful offseason after losing Tubby Smith last season, being turned down by Florida's Billy Donovan and then hiring Gillispie?

"I hope so. I don't think there is any reason for him to want to go anywhere but Kentucky," Barnhart said. "I think he is in love with what he is doing and we love how hard he works at it. The intensity and passion he brings to the program are what our fans want.

"I don't sense there is any need to be worried about any of that. It is a special place for a special coach and a special opportunity to do some neat things here for Billy and I think he knows that."

Barnhart agrees that it is hard to understand the passion of UK basketball or the importance of the Wildcats to fans until one is at Kentucky.

"I can't speak for him, but I couldn't understand until I got here. I am not the coach. I am just the AD," Barnhart said. "But you get here and find out it is something more special - because you knew it was special - but it is more special than you understand until you go through it.

"When you have people from all the major media markets coming to your games and acknowledging where you are all the time, it is big. It is the New York Yankees of college basketball. You are in that mode and level. You are the evil empire to some and the dynasty to others, and all things in between. That's what makes it great."

Respectable season despite injuries

Barnhart enjoyed watching the way Gillispie developed his first Kentucky team. The UK athletics director said he's still amazed that UK was able to win 11 of its final 13 SEC games to salvage a respectable season out of a 7-9 start despite having players miss a combined 49 games due to injuries.

"They have played every game hard. I think the mark of a great group of young men and coaches is whether they win close games," Barnhart said.

Barnhart heard the criticism of Gillispie early in the year when UK was losing games it was expected to win. However, Gillispie eventually became co-SEC Coach of the Year and more than justified the faith Barnhart had in him when he hired him a year ago.

"Billy is as good a coach now as he was when we hired him. He hasn't changed. Five straight years he has been the conference of the year," Barnhart said. "I always knew Billy would be fine. He didn't forget how to coach when he got to Kentucky."

http://www.amnews.com/public_html/?module=displaystory&story_id=39465&format=html

GoReds33
03-24-2008, 01:43 PM
It looks like Hopson's going to make some visits after the McDonalds AA game. Here's his quote, from a free article on Rivals.com:
"When this is over I'm going to take some visits to some colleges and evaluate my situation and then probably make a decision after that," Hopson told Rivals.com. "I have some schools in mind like Tennessee, Texas probably, Kentucky, maybe Louisville, probably Cincinnati."

http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=789189

WMR
03-26-2008, 04:57 PM
Awesome article!!! http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,23436066-5001023,00.html

If Scotty Hopson is #1 on UK fan's wish lists, Ater Majok should be #1A. He would be the perfect big to compliment Perry and Patrick.

BRM
03-26-2008, 05:34 PM
It looks like Hopson's going to make some visits after the McDonalds AA game. Here's his quote, from a free article on Rivals.com:
"When this is over I'm going to take some visits to some colleges and evaluate my situation and then probably make a decision after that," Hopson told Rivals.com. "I have some schools in mind like Tennessee, Texas probably, Kentucky, maybe Louisville, probably Cincinnati."

http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=789189

Take particular notice to the school he mentioned first. ;)

GoReds33
03-27-2008, 09:30 PM
Bill Koch of the Enquirer posted on his blog today that he's hearing that Hopson's choices are down to Miss. State, Tennessee, and...(drumroll)... UC.

I don't know if UK is out of it, but atleast this proves for some of you that UC is still in it.

By the way, I'd love to see a home and home series with UC and UK. Being this close, it would be cool to have a good rivalry going on.

WMR
03-27-2008, 09:35 PM
MSU has about as good a chance to get him as UC does.

GoReds33
03-27-2008, 11:03 PM
MSU has about as good a chance to get him as UC does.He has to like something about MSU. Otherwise he never would have committed there.

WMR
03-27-2008, 11:04 PM
He's just being polite at this point when it comes to MSU, I promise you.

GoReds33
03-27-2008, 11:21 PM
He's just being polite at this point when it comes to MSU, I promise you.I would hope. I just don't know what he saw in that place.

WMR
03-27-2008, 11:22 PM
"My mom and my coaches really helped me out in the recruiting process," Hopson said. "There's no pressure. I'm just waiting and weighing my options. … I've narrowed it down to Tennessee, Mississippi State, Kentucky, Louisville and Texas."

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/preps/basketball/2008-03-26-mcdonalds-preps_N.htm

From yesterday.

WMR
03-27-2008, 11:23 PM
I would hope. I just don't know what he saw in that place.

His star really exploded over the last year. He was nowhere near the recruit then that he has become now.

GoReds33
03-27-2008, 11:27 PM
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/preps/basketball/2008-03-26-mcdonalds-preps_N.htm

From yesterday.Yeah, but my previous quote was from just a few days ago, and he still listed intrest in UC. I find it hard to believe he'd lose intrest that quick.

I'm not trying to say that UC will get this kid. I'd like to see it come down to UC and UK, because I am a fan of both universities. I don't see him going to Tennessee, because I don't think that people want to go to a university where mens basketball is the third sport.

joshnky
03-28-2008, 12:11 AM
I hate to agree with WilyMo but their is no way UC lands Hopson. Maybe I'm wrong but UC doesn't quite have the allure to draw in someone of Hopson's level. He decommitted because his stock rose and the top tier teams like Tennessee and Texas started looking at him. He won't go to a team with a lower caliber than MissSt and UC is currently a bottom dweller in the Big East and are a few years away from respectability. I think they'll reach that level at some point but they aren't close right now.

jmac
03-28-2008, 12:30 AM
I hate to agree with WilyMo

Why ? :)

WMR
03-28-2008, 12:33 AM
rocko: He doesn't like being right.

WMR
03-28-2008, 12:43 AM
Required reading for every Kentucky fan: http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/mensbasketball/big12/2007-02-20-aggies-cover_x.htm

jmac
03-28-2008, 12:48 AM
rocko: He doesn't like being right.

Being right with a UK fan.;)

joshnky
03-28-2008, 01:28 AM
rocko: He doesn't like being right.

I'll give you props when you're right in your boasting. I think this is your one time for the year. ;)

It helps that I don't like UC much either.

WMR
03-31-2008, 10:29 PM
Landon Slone has signed on to walk-on at UK next season. This kid can straight fill it up. It's nice that we're getting back to getting Kentucky boys who would be on scholly at EKU or Western to walk-on for us.

RIP Again, Mr. Wildcat. :(

dabvu2498
04-01-2008, 08:47 AM
Landon Slone has signed on to walk-on at UK next season. This kid can straight fill it up. It's nice that we're getting back to getting Kentucky boys who would be on scholly at EKU or Western to walk-on for us.

RIP Again, Mr. Wildcat. :(

Like Todd Tackett? :D

Actually, WMR, this hurts your alma mater. He could have gone to GC, played, and helped.

WMR
04-01-2008, 02:37 PM
It's cool, Happy, your buddy, will just get another D-1 transfer. ;)

I could actually see this kid playing some next season. They're going to need shooters. I think he'll be a walk-on who really helps the program.

dabvu2498
04-01-2008, 02:39 PM
Like Preston LeMaster? ;)

WMR
04-01-2008, 02:46 PM
Umm, no.

:lol:

What I've heard about this kid is that it's not unrealistic to expect him to be able to make contributions as a walk-on. Real contributions. I haven't seen him play, just going off what others have said. I heard him compared favorably to Patrick Sparks. Guess we'll see.

BRM
04-01-2008, 02:48 PM
Umm, no.

:lol:

What I've heard about this kid is that it's not unrealistic to expect him to be able to make contributions as a walk-on. Real contributions. I haven't seen him play, just going off what others have said. I heard him compared favorably to Patrick Sparks. Guess we'll see.

Erek Suhr was a walk-on at IU. Just sayin'.

dabvu2498
04-01-2008, 02:53 PM
Erek Suhr was a walk-on at IU. Just sayin'.

And Preston LeMaster averaged 25.6 ppg, 5 rpg, 5 apg his senior year in HS. :D

WMR
04-01-2008, 02:56 PM
Hey! Don't shoot the messenger!

I know how much dab is really broken up about Happy losing out on a player.

BRM
04-01-2008, 02:57 PM
Didn't one of Sparks teammates steal his girlfriend or something?

dabvu2498
04-01-2008, 02:59 PM
Hey! Don't shoot the messenger!

I know how much dab is really broken up about Happy losing out on a player.

Messenger? You said you could see him contributing next year. :dunno:



:D

dabvu2498
04-01-2008, 02:59 PM
Didn't one of Sparks teammates steal his girlfriend or something?

Pat-Pat should've stayed at Western.

WMR
04-01-2008, 03:00 PM
Messenger? You said you could see him contributing next year. :dunno:



:D

Again, that's what I was told by people who have seen him play.

BRM
04-01-2008, 03:00 PM
Pat-Pat should've stayed at Western.

Is that a "yes" to my question?

dabvu2498
04-01-2008, 03:04 PM
Is that a "yes" to my question?

I meant in a basketball sense. :D



Again, that's what I was told by people who have seen him play.

Gotcha. Cause that's not how you presented it originally. :D;):D;):D


I could actually see this kid playing some next season. They're going to need shooters. I think he'll be a walk-on who really helps the program.

WMR
04-01-2008, 03:08 PM
Next time I'll be sure to provide proper citations, Professor. :lol:

BRM
04-01-2008, 03:09 PM
Next time I'll be sure to provide proper citations, Professor. :lol:

He's an Ivy Leaguer, you know.

WMR
04-01-2008, 03:10 PM
Heh, yeah, just ask him and he'll tell you. Actually, you don't even need to ask him and he'll tell you anyway.

dabvu2498
04-01-2008, 03:13 PM
Heh, yeah, just ask him and he'll tell you. Actually, you don't even need to ask him and he'll tell you anyway.

Come on. When was the last time I mentioned that I was trained at one of the finest institutions of higher learning in the country? When? When?

BRM
04-01-2008, 03:13 PM
Heh, yeah, just ask him and he'll tell you. Actually, you don't even need to ask him and he'll tell you anyway.

Modesty isn't his thing? I'm shocked to hear such things. ;)

BRM
04-01-2008, 03:13 PM
Come on. When was the last time I mentioned that I was trained at one of the finest institutions of higher learning in the country? When? When?

Just now.

WMR
04-01-2008, 03:15 PM
Better yet: Ask him how proud he is to have the same degree hanging on his wall as the fine young men who comprise the Commodore basketball team.

Proud. Damn proud.

dabvu2498
04-01-2008, 03:17 PM
Better yet: Ask him how proud he is to have the same degree hanging on his wall as the fine young men who comprise the Commodore basketball team.

Proud. Damn proud.

I am.

You proud to share yours with Orlandus Hill? Or do basketball players at GC get degrees or "certificates of attendance?"

WMR
04-01-2008, 03:19 PM
Hahahahahahahhaha... I dunno, they're all incarcerated at this point.

BRM
04-01-2008, 03:29 PM
Better yet: Ask him how proud he is to have the same degree hanging on his wall as the fine young men who comprise the Commodore basketball team.

Proud. Damn proud.

No need to ask. We are informed of this on a fairly routine basis.

TeamSelig
04-01-2008, 04:24 PM
I read something about a guy here at Vincennes that was being looked at by UK. Heard some rumors on campus that he was going to try to walk on. Really not sure if he is good enough, but he is a good player. I think he has played some international ball. Anyways, his name is Zonka Buljan. 6'9 Forward (skinny), can hit the 3, rebounds like crazy, great passer. Anyone heard anything further?

dabvu2498
04-01-2008, 04:56 PM
I read something about a guy here at Vincennes that was being looked at by UK. Heard some rumors on campus that he was going to try to walk on. Really not sure if he is good enough, but he is a good player. I think he has played some international ball. Anyways, his name is Zonka Buljan. 6'9 Forward (skinny), can hit the 3, rebounds like crazy, great passer. Anyone heard anything further?

Sounds like a UK assistant was there in December.

http://www.courier-journal.com/blogs/demling/2007/12/uk-coach-watched-vincennes-big-man.html

(BTW, that article mentions Aaron Pogue. He's good.)

His final stats from Vincennes show him as an excellent rebounder, capable scorer, but not a great 3 pt. shooter (27.8%). Vincennes generally plays a pretty tough schedule, too.

Rivals mentions St. Johns, DePaul, Illinois, Indiana State, South Florida, Tulsa, and Kentucky.

TeamSelig
04-01-2008, 06:45 PM
27.8%? Strange, I've went to alot of the home games and it seemed as if he was hitting them at a pretty good rate.

He is a huge fan favorite here. He is pretty solid defensively and easily gets under their skin. I'd love to see him at UK, but I'm not sure he would make a huge impact.

WMR
04-01-2008, 07:15 PM
Marvin Stone has died: http://www.asia-basket.com/KSA/KSA.asp

WMR
04-01-2008, 08:02 PM
Scotty Hopson has committed to UT.

BRM
04-01-2008, 08:06 PM
Scotty Hopson has committed to UT.

Bruce Pearl can sell ice to eskimos...or so I've heard.

WMR
04-01-2008, 08:07 PM
He'll get to do exactly what he wants at UT. Run up and down the court, shoot the ball whenever he wants, and never play a lick of D.

BRM
04-01-2008, 08:11 PM
Playing defense is for chumps. Just shoot the rock!!

WMR
04-01-2008, 08:13 PM
Playing defense is for chumps. Just shoot the rock!!

To quote dab: "Word." :cool:

GoReds33
04-01-2008, 08:16 PM
He'll get to do exactly what he wants at UT. Run up and down the court, shoot the ball whenever he wants, and never play a lick of D.Yeah, but you have to admit that you would love the guy if he came to UK.

WMR
04-01-2008, 08:18 PM
Yeah, but you have to admit that you would love the guy if he came to UK.

Of course. Because Billy G would have forced him to become a complete player. He won't have to put that work in at UT.

GoReds33
04-01-2008, 08:24 PM
Of course. Because Billy G would have forced him to become a complete player. He won't have to put that work in at UT.Honestly, I would say that's the one reason he went there. I also think that's the reason he wanted to go to Mississippi state. That was probably the only team that would let him play his game. Then as he started getting a little more hype, other teams started to lift their restrictions.

On another note, Taylor King is supposed to transfer. I know how you guys hate Duke, but what school do you see him going to?

WMR
04-01-2008, 08:26 PM
I hear Villanova is solidly in the mix, GR.

WMR
04-01-2008, 08:30 PM
Honestly, I would say that's the one reason he went there. I also think that's the reason he wanted to go to Mississippi state. That was probably the only team that would let him play his game. Then as he started getting a little more hype, other teams started to lift their restrictions.

On another note, Taylor King is supposed to transfer. I know how you guys hate Duke, but what school do you see him going to?

Exactly. As we saw with Joe Crawford at the beginning of the season and the Alex Legion saga, prospect status or seniority status don't guarantee you a starting position or PT if you don't practice how BCG wants you to and adopt his philosophies as your own.

The inmates are running the asylum in Knoxville. Just look at their shameful performance versus Louisville who spanked them soundly. They struggle to run a half-court offense and struggle mightily to play any semblance of defense.

Scotty would have been a much better player in the long run had he chosen Kentucky, but he'll get to run and gun to his heart's delight at UT.

Blimpie
04-01-2008, 09:16 PM
Marvin Stone has died: http://www.asia-basket.com/KSA/KSA.aspI am kinda shocked that nobody else has commented on this tragedy.

Granted, Stone was not one of my favorites while at UK; however, 26 is way too young to be departing this Earth.

My guess is that an autopsy will show that Stone had hypertrophic cardiomyopathy....the leading cause of sudden cardiac death in athletes.

TeamSelig
04-01-2008, 09:18 PM
Jeez Mo whats with all the bad news all at once?

WMR
04-01-2008, 09:40 PM
Jeez Mo whats with all the bad news all at once?

You tell me, TS. It's been a tough couple days to be a Wildcat fan. :(

TeamSelig
04-01-2008, 09:52 PM
Well, I did enjoy the progress that we made from beginning to end. Hopefully we take that and add to it.

WMR
04-01-2008, 09:56 PM
Well, I did enjoy the progress that we made from beginning to end. Hopefully we take that and add to it.

Oh, I've got no doubt about that, buddy. This has just been a tough couple days.

I hope they leave Mr. Wildcats chair empty next season.

I also think it would be cool if they amended Rupp's court to be named "Cawood-Keightley Court." I'm 100% sure Cawood would have loved that.

Billy has got us moving in the right direction.

WVRed
04-01-2008, 11:16 PM
I guess with the decision by Indiana to hire Tom Crean that is all Hopson needed to make his decision.

Kentucky lost this recruiting battle fair and square. Kids like Hopson, Darius Miller, Bud Mackey(before the cocaine charges), and Jon Hood need to be kept in state. Problem is, we never had a coach to realize that, and when we did, it was too late.

To be honest though, I really want no part of Hopson. To me, it does seem a little low to announce your decision after the death of one of Kentucky's most beloved sports figures.

cumberlandreds
04-02-2008, 08:14 AM
Marvin Stone has died: http://www.asia-basket.com/KSA/KSA.asp

Way too young. :( He will probably go down as the only player to play for both UK and UL. That was a very strange turn of events when he left UK and IMO UK handled it poorly.

cumberlandreds
04-02-2008, 08:18 AM
Scotty Hopson has committed to UT.

This is just my two cents and all I know about Hopson is what I read on the Internet. So saying that I think he would have been a very bad fit to play for BG. Hopson seems like the prima donna HS player in the same vein as OJ Mayo. That type will never last to play for BG. Too selfish with their own agenda. IMO he is going to the perfect place for him at UT. They run and gun and play little defense. He should average his 20+ per game and be able to take his spring break in Florida or the Carribean every spring.:)

dabvu2498
04-02-2008, 10:35 AM
Awful news about Stone.

TeamSelig
04-02-2008, 12:49 PM
I'm not sure. Here at UK he has been tough on his players... turning them into team players. He did an amazing job on transforming Crawford/Bradley.

But at Texas A&M, Acie Law had a free reign to terrorize opposing teams. I think if we were to land a top prospect (guard) who can score very well, I think BG will help him and not restrict.

Then again, who knows.

WVRed
04-02-2008, 12:58 PM
I'm not sure. Here at UK he has been tough on his players... turning them into team players. He did an amazing job on transforming Crawford/Bradley.

But at Texas A&M, Acie Law had a free reign to terrorize opposing teams. I think if we were to land a top prospect (guard) who can score very well, I think BG will help him and not restrict.

Then again, who knows.

Acie Law was all Gillispie had at Texas A&M. Gillispie did a good job in turning Law into a leader though.

We have a top guard when healthy in Jodie Meeks, so if he ever returns to the same player, it will make things interesting.

dabvu2498
04-02-2008, 01:01 PM
Acie Law was all Gillispie had at Texas A&M. Gillispie did a good job in turning Law into a leader though.

We have a top guard when healthy in Jodie Meeks, so if he ever returns to the same player, it will make things interesting.

They had 3 other guys average double figure ppg last year. And darn near shot 50% as a team.

WVRed
04-02-2008, 02:40 PM
Awful news about Stone.

One thing I found on KI, Jules Camara was playing against Stone in the game. Both played together at UK and Jules had to call Marvin's ex-girlfriend so she could tell his family.

Odds are he will likely be the only player to ever play at both Kentucky and Louisville.

On a side note, Travis Ford from what I have read is the frontrunner for the LSU job.

dabvu2498
04-02-2008, 03:24 PM
On a side note, Travis Ford from what I have read is the frontrunner for the LSU job.

Big problem with that is, LSU doesn't even have a real athletic director right now.

They have an outside search committee preparing candidates for the new AD (who is supposedly going to be named in the next couple days) to approve.

BRM
04-02-2008, 03:28 PM
Is Tony Bennett still considered a candidate for the LSU job?

dabvu2498
04-02-2008, 03:31 PM
Is Tony Bennett still considered a candidate for the LSU job?

From what I hear, LSU's athletic department couldn't find it's butt without a road map right now.

BRM
04-02-2008, 03:37 PM
From what I hear, LSU's athletic department couldn't find it's butt without a road map right now.

Nice.

Joseph
04-02-2008, 03:40 PM
They mentioned Billy Clyde as a possible dark horse for the OSU job this morning [no, not Ohio State, but Oklahoma State].

What kind of crack are the people at ESPN smoking?

dabvu2498
04-02-2008, 03:42 PM
They mentioned Billy Clyde as a possible dark horse for the OSU job this morning [no, not Ohio State, but Oklahoma State].

What kind of crack are the people at ESPN smoking?

The 40 million dollar T. Boone Pickens contract kind.

dabvu2498
04-02-2008, 03:43 PM
Nice.

http://www.2theadvocate.com/sports/lsu/17176836.html


Dan Parker, chief executive of the Parker Executive Search, said Monday that his company signed a contract with LSU to assist with the search for a basketball coach.

Parker Executive Search was slated to handle the search at one point, but that idea was scrubbed when outgoing LSU Athletic Director Skip Bertman said he would had enough information to proceed without a search firm. That apparently changed recently and it’s unclear what Bertman’s continuing role will be in the search for a coach.


What's it sound like to you?

BRM
04-02-2008, 03:52 PM
They mentioned Billy Clyde as a possible dark horse for the OSU job this morning [no, not Ohio State, but Oklahoma State].

What kind of crack are the people at ESPN smoking?

Self is considered their top target but Billy G has been linked as their next guy.

BRM
04-02-2008, 03:53 PM
http://www.2theadvocate.com/sports/lsu/17176836.html


What's it sound like to you?

Like a CF.

dabvu2498
04-02-2008, 03:57 PM
Like a CF.

Nothing like trying to hire an AD and a men's hoops coach at the same time.

BRM
04-02-2008, 03:59 PM
Nothing like trying to hire an AD and a men's hoops coach at the same time.

Seems like you'd want to get an AD in place fairly quickly, then let him hire a hoops coach. Or they could just form a "blue ribbon committee" to hire a coach like IU did. ;)

dabvu2498
04-02-2008, 04:02 PM
Seems like you'd want to get an AD in place fairly quickly, then let him hire a hoops coach. Or they could just form a "blue ribbon committee" to hire a coach like IU did. ;)

Another article I'd read says the AD would be official until the Board of Trustees can approve him/her later this month.

Makes me wonder if they'll be able to hire a basketball coach before then.

TeamSelig
04-02-2008, 09:56 PM
lol Anyone think BG would seriously even consider the OSU job?

WVRed
04-03-2008, 12:12 AM
They mentioned Billy Clyde as a possible dark horse for the OSU job this morning [no, not Ohio State, but Oklahoma State].

What kind of crack are the people at ESPN smoking?

I don't see much truth to it. OSU may throw the money around and Self would be the more logical choice(Oklahoma native and OSU grad), but I can't see either coach leaving just for more money. Imagine the backlash Self would face alone just leaving for another school in the Big XII.

If Gillispie did leave for Oklahoma State, Mitch Barnhardt should be tarred, feathered, and ridden out of the Bluegrass State on a rail for not agreeing to a contract instead of a memorandum.

Oklahoma State isn't a bad place to coach. They have tradition and it is IMO one of the top jobs in the nation if done right, but luring a coach from one top program to another just with money will not do it.

Someone I could see being in Stillwater next season: Bruce Pearl.

dabvu2498
04-03-2008, 08:53 AM
Someone I could see being in Stillwater next season: Bruce Pearl.

After his quotes a day or so ago, that would be Matta-esque:


"While there have been rumors about me being considered for coaching jobs at other schools, I want the Tennessee fans to know that the only school I am interested in talking about is the University of Tennessee," Pearl said. "We have started something special here and I look forward to being a part of it for a very long time."



http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/basketball/ncaa/specials/ncaa_tourney/2008/04/02/bc.bkc.tennessee.pearl.ap/

Heath
04-03-2008, 09:02 AM
There are folks in Bowling Green that would like Travis Ford to wave the red towels for WKU. You could almost argue that it actually would be a step up from UMass.

Anybody see Tony Bennett in Marquette?

dabvu2498
04-03-2008, 09:29 AM
There are folks in Bowling Green that would like Travis Ford to wave the red towels for WKU. You could almost argue that it actually would be a step up from UMass.

Anybody see Tony Bennett in Marquette?

WKU hasn't been a step up from UMass since before Dr. J was in Amherst and Ed Diddle himself was waving the Red Towel.

The denizens of Bowling Green are hot after Rick Byrd (Belmont). Although, having seen Belmont's facilities and campus, and knowing that Horn was only making 180k, I'm not sure WKU is much of a step up from Belmont.

BRM
04-03-2008, 04:23 PM
My guess is Bennett is going to hang around WSU a few more years and wait for Bo Ryan to retire.

dabvu2498
04-03-2008, 04:36 PM
My guess is Bennett is going to hang around WSU a few more years and wait for Bo Ryan to retire.

I heard... I think... that Bennett is the lowest paid coach in the Pac 10. Can anyone confirm?

Also, it sounds as if the LSU situation is becoming more convoluted as they can't find an acceptable candidate to become AD.

http://www.theadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080403/BLOGS15/80403008

BRM
04-03-2008, 04:52 PM
It wouldn't surprise me if he is the lowest paid in the conference.

LSU is going to shoot themselves in the foot.

Heath
04-03-2008, 05:14 PM
It wouldn't surprise me if he is the lowest paid in the conference.

LSU is going to shoot themselves in the foot.

Good. Go get Brian Gregory.

Heath
04-03-2008, 05:16 PM
WKU hasn't been a step up from UMass since before Dr. J was in Amherst and Ed Diddle himself was waving the Red Towel.

The denizens of Bowling Green are hot after Rick Byrd (Belmont). Although, having seen Belmont's facilities and campus, and knowing that Horn was only making 180k, I'm not sure WKU is much of a step up from Belmont.

Hilltopperhaven.com wants Cherry - the ass't - to take over.

Other names are listed there, one being Larry Shyatt. (Which, if spoken in a Clemson drawl, sounds eerily familar to his overall coaching record).

BRM
04-03-2008, 05:18 PM
Someone on Peegs started a RMK to WKU rumor the other day. It went over well. ;)

dabvu2498
04-03-2008, 05:22 PM
Someone on Peegs started a RMK to WKU rumor the other day. It went over well. ;)

That was on the Haven also.

My old man is convinced it'll be Cherry. Path of least resistance (and cost).

WMR
04-04-2008, 06:05 PM
:cry:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZ-JqpD7Li4

WMR
04-04-2008, 06:46 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqTv8PA0Bd0&feature=user

TeamSelig
04-04-2008, 07:51 PM
Nice clip. Sad :(

WMR
04-04-2008, 08:39 PM
Jeff Sheppard: :cry:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9P8AgurITo

"Stale moon pies." :) :) :)

jmac
04-04-2008, 09:33 PM
After his quotes a day or so ago, that would be Matta-esque:



http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/basketball/ncaa/specials/ncaa_tourney/2008/04/02/bc.bkc.tennessee.pearl.ap/

Or Petrino esque :)

WVRed
04-05-2008, 10:48 AM
Seth Davis is reporting that Oklahoma State is set to offer Billy Gillispie 3.5 million to coach.

After watching the funeral for Bill Keightley yesterday, I have a hard time believing Gillispie would take the job.

TeamSelig
04-05-2008, 09:31 PM
3.5 mil to be a coach, wow. How much is UK paying him?

BRM
04-15-2008, 10:26 AM
This is a kid IU really needs but my gut says he'll end up in Lexington.



Harrellson High on UK and IU 4/14/08

Fox Seven Sports has confirmed that Southwestern Illinois College forward Josh Harrellson has been offered a scholarship by Billy Gillispie and the Kentucky Wildcats. Harrellson will visit UK later this weekend. He has also been contacted by Tom Crean and IU. both schools are said to be in Harrellson's final five according to Harrellson's head coach Jay Harrington. Harrellson averaged fourteen points and eight rebounds for the Blue Storm last year. Southwestern finished the season 28-5. The Storm champions of the Great Rivers Athletic Conference.



http://tristatehomepage.com/content/fulltext/?cid=5922

joshnky
04-16-2008, 12:29 PM
Also, rumors are rampant about a possible transfer, and no, it's not who you think. Rumors have Derrick Jasper possibly looking to get closer to home. No clue why he is looking other than possible homesickness. I will say losing him could be devastating next season.

I saw this on the Courier-Journal's website. If true, that could be devastating.

WMR
04-16-2008, 12:31 PM
How do I know that whenever Josh bumps the UK thread, it will not be to tell us good news? :lol:

I can't imagine Jasper transferring before his Junior season, especially considering the PT that he got this season and WILL get next season. Crazier things have happened though.

dabvu2498
04-16-2008, 12:38 PM
Devastating? Nahhh... just opens up more time for M. Porter. :cool:

BRM
04-16-2008, 12:39 PM
Where is home for him?

dabvu2498
04-16-2008, 12:40 PM
Where is home for him?

Paso Robles, CA

BRM
04-16-2008, 12:42 PM
Paso Robles, CA

So he's transferring to Cal Poly Slo?

dabvu2498
04-16-2008, 12:42 PM
So he's transferring to Cal Poly Slo?

:dunno:

IU is closer to home. Maybe that's where he's going.

BRM
04-16-2008, 12:44 PM
:dunno:

IU is closer to home. Maybe that's where he's going.

:confused:

I thought you said he was from California?

dabvu2498
04-16-2008, 12:46 PM
:confused:

I thought you said he was from California?

Bloomington's at least 100 miles closer to Paso Robles than Lexington.

BRM
04-16-2008, 12:47 PM
Bloomington's at least 100 miles closer to Paso Robles than Lexington.

Gotcha. ;)

I wouldn't blame him. I'd MUCH rather play for an overrated coach like Crean than Billy G anyday.

joshnky
04-16-2008, 12:48 PM
In other news, the big rumor swirling around in UofL world is that Earl Clark and Derrick Caracter are having second thoughts about turning pro and may want to come back. Apparently, they've both been attending classes lately and haven't signed with an agent.

I'm kind of torn on this one because I'd rather be done with Caracter but this a probably a package deal because they've been friends since high school days. This would change UofL's outlook from 1st-2nd round to final four possibilities.

BRM
04-16-2008, 12:49 PM
In other news, the big rumor swirling around in UofL world is that Earl Clark and Derrick Caracter are having second thoughts about turning pro and may want to come back. Apparently, they've both been attending classes lately and haven't signed with an agent.

I'm kind of torn on this one because I'd rather be done with Caracter but this a probably a package deal because they've been friends since high school days. This would change UofL's outlook from 1st-2nd round to final four possibilities.

I'd welcome Caracter back with open arms if it meant Earl Clark stayed.

WMR
04-16-2008, 03:16 PM
Josh Harrelson is visiting UK this weekend.

BRM
04-16-2008, 03:21 PM
Josh Harrelson is visiting UK this weekend.

I posted that yesterday in this very thread. Where have you been? :rolleyes:

:p:

WVRed
04-16-2008, 03:36 PM
I will support whatever Derrick Jasper decides, but I can't help but think that a player getting "homesick" heading into his junior year is a bit strange. I have read that there may be some other "drama" involving this situation.

My guess is that if Jasper does leave, it will be for Cal or Stanford, depending on what happens there. Just a guess. UCLA has an overloaded guard class coming in as it is.

WMR
04-16-2008, 03:39 PM
I posted that yesterday in this very thread. Where have you been? :rolleyes:

:p:

Whoops!!!!!! :redface:

WMR
04-17-2008, 06:26 AM
Hell Yeah.

Everyone watch this video: http://tinypic.com/player.php?v=5yrl3b&s=3

Kevin Galloway signed his LOI yesterday. UK is currently recruiting Juan Patillo.

This video is sick.

BRM
04-17-2008, 01:24 PM
Speaking of Harrellson, Jody Demling at the CJ makes it sound like it's basically down to UK and St Louis. He lists Indiana, Iowa, and Iowa State as also "in the mix". Josh is also setting up a visit to Ohio State.

This is interesting because of my post in the Crean thread about Harrellson's interview with the Bloomington Herald-Times. His words there were very positive for IU. Of course, he was speaking to the hometown paper so he was probably just being polite.

WMR
04-17-2008, 03:16 PM
That's what I hear too, BRM.

I think his considerations for SLU are primarily b/c they are so close to home.

We shall see. Majerus is a good coach.

dabvu2498
04-17-2008, 03:17 PM
That's what I hear too, BRM.

I think his considerations for SLU are primarily b/c they are so close to home.

We shall see. Majerus is a good coach.

I guarantee SLU has better food on the road.

WMR
04-17-2008, 03:18 PM
I guarantee SLU has better food on the road.

:lol:

WMR
04-17-2008, 07:21 PM
Gillispie on Mike Williams:

"It's very, very likely that Mike is going to look to go somewhere else because he wants, as most players do, he wants a greater opportunity to get more playing time and he may be a little bit a ways away from that(at UK)," Gillispie said. "If he chooses to do that then we'll be happy for him."

joshnky
04-17-2008, 08:58 PM
I'd welcome Caracter back with open arms if it meant Earl Clark stayed.

Its official. Clark is coming back. No news on Caracter which suggests that Pitino may be done with the guy.

Great news for the Cards. Clark could compete for All American honors next year and should allow the freshman to be worked into the line up a little more slowly. This will be a top five team to start the season.

http://courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080417/SPORTS02/80417041

BRM
04-17-2008, 10:39 PM
That's excellent news for the Cards.

dabvu2498
04-18-2008, 09:41 AM
Gillispie on Mike Williams:

"It's very, very likely that Mike is going to look to go somewhere else because he wants, as most players do, he wants a greater opportunity to get more playing time and he may be a little bit a ways away from that(at UK)," Gillispie said. "If he chooses to do that then we'll be happy for him."

Has he officially decided to transfer?

cumberlandreds
04-18-2008, 10:02 AM
Has he officially decided to transfer?

Not official but BG has opened the door very wide for him to transfer.

dabvu2498
04-18-2008, 10:34 AM
Not official but BG has opened the door very wide for him to transfer.

That's what I gather from the quote.

Not sure I like him taking that public. If he wants to say that stuff to him 1-on-1, great. But I din't particularly care for him airing it out to the media.

That's just me.

BRM
04-18-2008, 10:52 AM
That's what I gather from the quote.

Not sure I like him taking that public. If he wants to say that stuff to him 1-on-1, great. But I din't particularly care for him airing it out to the media.

That's just me.

I agree.

WMR
04-18-2008, 05:44 PM
On next year's outlook...
"Next year, I see our team being a much more fast-paced team. I think we will have to create more stuff off of our defense. We should have the ability to do that. We should be much more wide open offensively. Our margin for error will be greater next year."

BRM
04-21-2008, 11:35 AM
Any word on how Harrelson's visit went this past weekend?

Javy Pornstache
04-21-2008, 05:11 PM
Any word on how Harrelson's visit went this past weekend?

From all reports I've heard and read, he loved it there, he attended the Blue and White game at Commonwealth Stadium and spent time hanging with Pat Patterson and Perry Stevenson for the most part. He seemed to love hearing his name chanted by the UK fans whenever he passed by. Sometimes these visits seem to go as well as possible, and they still don't wind up there, but from what most people think, Kentucky is the strong favorite for Harrelson as of now.

BRM
04-21-2008, 05:27 PM
Thanks Javy. I'm pretty sure UK was the frontrunner even before the visit. I certainly wouldn't be surprised if he signs with them soon.

WVRed
04-21-2008, 09:34 PM
From all reports I've heard and read, he loved it there, he attended the Blue and White game at Commonwealth Stadium and spent time hanging with Pat Patterson and Perry Stevenson for the most part. He seemed to love hearing his name chanted by the UK fans whenever he passed by. Sometimes these visits seem to go as well as possible, and they still don't wind up there, but from what most people think, Kentucky is the strong favorite for Harrelson as of now.

Paul McCoy and Ater Majok were there as well and both from what I have heard loved the campus.

I think we will get McCoy but Majok is probably all but gone to Connecticut.

WMR
04-21-2008, 09:43 PM
We really need Harrelson.

Doubt we can get Majok at this late hour. It would be sweet to steal him from that scumbag Calhoun, however.

BRM
04-22-2008, 10:32 AM
We really need Harrelson.


Does he have visits scheduled for this weekend?

cumberlandreds
04-22-2008, 10:52 AM
Does he have visits scheduled for this weekend?

Harralson visited last weekend. By all accounts it went very well. He is supposed to visit St. Louis this weekend and then make a decision sometime after that.

BRM
04-22-2008, 10:56 AM
Harralson visited last weekend. By all accounts it went very well. He is supposed to visit St. Louis this weekend and then make a decision sometime after that.

OK. I was wondering if he was planning a visit to St Louis.

TeamSelig
04-23-2008, 01:41 AM
Picked up two UK onesies for my boy :D One says "Little Bitty Wildcat" on the butt of it.

BRM
04-23-2008, 03:12 PM
Per SI,



NEW YORK -- Walking the aisles of a Wal-Mart in Hopkinsville, Ky. last winter, Scotty Hopson happened upon two Kentucky Wildcats fans. "They came up to me out of nowhere and said I should come play for the 'Cats because 'Cats drive Mercedes," says Hopson, a 6-foot-5, 185-pound swingman. "Come to think of it, I didn't even have my license at the time."

WMR
04-23-2008, 03:43 PM
Way to really ingratiate yourself to the UK fans and your home state, Scotty.

Awesome way to run a semi-slanderous "editorial" making obvious implications, SI.

BRM
04-23-2008, 03:47 PM
I see I forgot to include the link. Here's the rest of the article.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/kevin_armstrong/04/21/hopson.0421/index.html?eref=T1

WMR
04-29-2008, 02:06 AM
Sounds like Harrelson is headed to Kentucky.

WMR
04-29-2008, 11:34 PM
Harrelson commited to UK today.

WMR
04-29-2008, 11:40 PM
Dominique Ferguson, 8th overall ranked prospect on Scout.com, from Indianapolis, committed to UK today as well.

http://scouthoops.scout.com/a.z?s=75&p=8&c=1&nid=3226312

WMR
04-30-2008, 01:24 AM
http://scouthoops.scout.com/a.z?s=75&p=8&c=1&nid=3226312

Ferguson:

"They're a real historic team," he said. "They have real good history and it's hard to explain but I just wanted to play at a program like that. I want to play in front of 24,000 fans every night. I knew when I was there, I wanted to play for Kentucky."

Guess history still matters to some kids after all. (And some kids understand the concept of actual history as it applies to college basketball, Scotty. :lol:)

WMR
04-30-2008, 01:26 AM
Awesome day to be a Wildcat fan.

Javy Pornstache
04-30-2008, 02:33 AM
Indeed, WilyMo, plus on top of that news that Jon Hood has said that UK is his number one choice right now, despite reports everywhere that he was a strong Duke lean.

WMR
04-30-2008, 12:22 PM
Vinny Zollo is visiting UK next Monday ... he will likely verbal then.

WMR
04-30-2008, 12:22 PM
Indeed, WilyMo, plus on top of that news that Jon Hood has said that UK is his number one choice right now, despite reports everywhere that he was a strong Duke lean.

That's awesome.

HBP
05-01-2008, 02:24 PM
Apparently they also got a verbal from an 8th grader today :eek:

macro
05-01-2008, 04:25 PM
Apparently they also got a verbal from an 8th grader today :eek:

This guy is scheduled for a visit next week...

http://www.miraclemunchkins.com/images/bba/basketball.jpg

WMR
05-01-2008, 05:40 PM
The kid is 6'4" in the 8th grade and is a guard. :eek:

Some scouting service ranks him as a top 30 player in his class. (BTW, it is just plain bizarre what recruiting has become... 8th graders?!?! I mean, it's part of the "business of recruiting" nowadays, but it's just plain weird.)

This kid is playing with a U17 AAU team and is holding his own.

Heard a podcast interview with the kid's father... sounds like he's a great kid. Good get for the Cats.

WMR
05-01-2008, 05:46 PM
Another interesting point that someone raised that I thought was excellent is that by getting these kids committed early, they can get substantial feedback from Coach Gillispie and his coaching staff as far as what they need to work on to best fit into Gillispie's system the moment they step foot on campus.

HBP
05-01-2008, 05:48 PM
“We know what college he’s going to before his high school,” his father, Howard, said Thursday.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/varsitytimesinsider/2008/05/eighth-grader-m.html

I remember when Taylor King verbaled to UCLA when he was an 8th grader. He then went to school at Duke and is now transferring to Villinova. Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised at all if Avery never steps foot at UK.

dabvu2498
05-01-2008, 05:48 PM
Some scouting service ranks him as a top 30 player in his class. (BTW, it is just plain bizarre what recruiting has become... 8th graders?!?! I mean, it's part of the "business of recruiting" nowadays, but it's just plain weird.)


S'alright. I saw a scouting service ranking 3rd graders. Seriously.

WMR
05-01-2008, 05:52 PM
Nice link, HBP. Haha, I left a comment telling the author the correct spelling of coach Gillispie's name. :D

WMR
05-01-2008, 05:52 PM
S'alright. I saw a scouting service ranking 3rd graders. Seriously.

Are you for real?!?!?!?!?

What were they ranking them on??? LOL

dabvu2498
05-01-2008, 06:16 PM
Are you for real?!?!?!?!?

What were they ranking them on??? LOL

??? Ability to not double dribble 42 times in a game???

Yeah. Friend of mine coaches at a small town high school around here. I asked him if he had any talent in the pipeline. So he tells me a little about his 7th and 8th grade teams, then says "I got the #1 3rd grader in the country."

So he shows me the thing the scouting service sent him. Sad.

BRM
05-01-2008, 06:41 PM
I guess Harrellson wants to become a "complete" player. You can only do that at UK, you know. ;)

WVRed
05-01-2008, 11:01 PM
We know what college hes going to before his high school, his father, Howard, said Thursday.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/varsitytimesinsider/2008/05/eighth-grader-m.html

I remember when Taylor King verbaled to UCLA when he was an 8th grader. He then went to school at Duke and is now transferring to Villinova. Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised at all if Avery never steps foot at UK.

Me either, and I am a UK fan.

I have a huge problem with recruiting kids this early. I don't know whether it is the media, the coaches, or a combination of both. Tim Floyd did it last year and I wasn't too crazy about it, so i'm not going to make the effort to justify this one.

Most kids aren't even mature enough to make a college decision when they are seniors in high school. I'd be willing to bet if Gillispie is gone by that time or UCLA decides to talk him out of it he will be playing out west.

HBP
05-02-2008, 09:43 AM
Me either, and I am a UK fan.

I have a huge problem with recruiting kids this early. I don't know whether it is the media, the coaches, or a combination of both. Tim Floyd did it last year and I wasn't too crazy about it, so i'm not going to make the effort to justify this one.

Most kids aren't even mature enough to make a college decision when they are seniors in high school. I'd be willing to bet if Gillispie is gone by that time or UCLA decides to talk him out of it he will be playing out west.

I guess if you want to get technical, he wasn't actually recruited by Gillispie, the kids father made the contact. I agree though, there should probably be a rule that a kid can't verbal until after his frosh year of HS. Too many things can happen in five years.

One good thing about BCG getting all these early verbals is that the top recruits will see that they'll have to commit early to UK or there won't be a spot for them.

TeamSelig
05-02-2008, 11:22 AM
Plus, with early commits he can spend more time focusing on other big time players.

IslandRed
05-02-2008, 12:23 PM
I agree though, there should probably be a rule that a kid can't verbal until after his frosh year of HS.

I'm not sure how that could possibly be enforced. A verbal commitment is not only non-binding, it's a totally non-managed process. It's a kid saying to someone, anyone, "I'm going to (School Name Here)." The NCAA would have absolutely no grounds to punish the school for it, and I don't see how they could punish the player for it and have it stand up to the inevitable court challenge.

TeamSelig
05-02-2008, 10:57 PM
Exactly. It would be impossible to impose that rule.

GoReds33
05-04-2008, 12:16 PM
S'alright. I saw a scouting service ranking 3rd graders. Seriously.If you can find that, I'd love a link.:)

WVRed
05-05-2008, 11:35 PM
In other news, Vinny Zollo committed today.

That leaves us with the following

2008:
PG-DeAndre Liggins
SF-Darius Miller
PG-Kevin Galloway
PF-Josh Harrellson

2009-
PG-GJ Vilarino

2010-
PF-Dominique Ferguson
PG-KC Ross Miller
PF-Dakotah Euton

2011-
PF-Vinny Zollo

2012-
SG-Michael Avery

WVRed
05-07-2008, 10:31 PM
Add Jon Hood to the list for 2009. A Kentucky native to boot.

This has been an amazing week or so. Gillispie has been on a roll.

WMR
05-08-2008, 12:22 AM
http://www.hopkins.k12.ky.us/mnhhs/pics/Jhood.MPG

WMR
05-08-2008, 12:25 AM
http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080116/VIDEO02/80116035

WMR
05-08-2008, 12:28 AM
http://wlky.highschoolplaybook.com/media/ShowMedia.do?mid=877cca71f29f66009d558e2516da94d2

Hope Coach K is crying in his beer tonight.

dabvu2498
05-08-2008, 09:29 AM
The NABC is concerned about early commitments.


Coach group concerned about rise of early commitments

By Jack Carey, USA TODAY
College basketball recruits are getting younger and younger. And the National Association of Basketball Coaches might soon be urging coaches to put the brakes on the practice of offering scholarships to players who have barely started high school … or are not yet even enrolled.

Michael Avery, an eighth-grade guard from Lake Sherwood, Calif., last week made a verbal commitment to attend Kentucky. Wildcats coach Billy Gillispie then got a commitment Monday from Vincent Zollo, a ninth-grade forward from Greenfield, Ohio.

There's no indication the practice is dramatically spreading, but it has gotten the attention of the coaches association.

"It greatly concerns me," said NABC executive director Jim Haney. "To me, it sends the wrong message. … I don't think it completely aligns with the perception that college athletics reflect in a time of increased academic standards.

"Maybe it's something we, as an association, need to take up and say something like, 'Our association has agreed that we're not going to accept (commitments) prior to the summer between a player's sophomore and junior year.' "

Haney said the NABC ethics committee could consider the issue.

He believes the general public might have a hard time seeing how the practice fits in with the idea of higher education.

"It just gives fuel to that whole perception that coaches are out of control … that coaches are trying to sign kids when they're born or all they can think about is recruiting."

Brit Kirwan, chancellor of the University of Maryland system and co-chair of the Knight Commission on Intercollegiate Athletics, which urges athletic reform, called the practice, "appalling."

Gillispie said more young players are playing competitive basketball more often than ever and are maturing quicker, so if coaches see someone they think will be an exceptional player, offers will be extended earlier than before.

"It's a different game than 10-15 years ago," he said.

Haney said the practice can lead to the proliferation of two of the biggest issues coaches face: transfers and academic non-qualifiers. Players who might be rushing into a commitment could later find themselves unhappy with playing time and seek a transfer.

Or a player might not develop as well as expected.

"Who's to say how how good that kid is going to be?" Haney said. "The kid thinks he's going to get better, but he doesn't, and now there are other (recruits) who are better. So the coach wants to go back and take away (his commitment). The kid might not grow; he might not get better.

"And it's riddled with problems from the whole academic perspective because nobody knows if they'll have the academic credentials to be admitted or be eligible," Haney said. "Now, you've stopped recruiting other kids, and then this kid doesn't make the grade."

It's become more frequent in recent years for 10th graders to make commitments, and while that's not ideal, Haney said, at least there are two years of high school academic work to assess.

"With an 8th- or 9th-grader, he's hardly posted anything or he's posted nothing," he said. "You know nothing about what kind of student he's going to be."

Contributing: Kelly Whiteside

Find this article at:
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/2008-05-07-early-commitments_N.htm

cumberlandreds
05-08-2008, 09:33 AM
Another day another commitment for UK. Jon Hood from Madisonville committed yesterday. He's an old guy. He will be a senior this year.


http://www.kentucky.com/232/story/398720.html

WMR
05-08-2008, 09:40 AM
The NABC is concerned about early commitments.

Where's the mention of Run it Up Roy getting two 8th graders to commit last week?

Wonder if the NABC would be raising such a stink if Tubby was still the coach? :rolleyes:

dabvu2498
05-08-2008, 09:47 AM
Where's the mention of Run it Up Roy getting two 8th graders to commit last week?

Wonder if the NABC would be raising such a stink if Tubby was still the coach? :rolleyes:

Roy got an 8th grade commit? I missed that. Can't find it anywhere, either.

I know Tim Floyd had supposedly taken a verbal from an 8th grader, but I hadn't seen that about Roy.

WMR
05-08-2008, 10:02 AM
I'm going off second hand info... it could be wrong, but the guy who told it to me is usually pretty accurate with his info.

Tubby was such a media darling, would they have questioned him if he offered such a commitment?

They conveniently leave off the opposing perspective that it can make the kid a better player in the long run through feedback from an elite college-level coaching staff about ways he can improve his game and what he should be doing in order to maximize his god-given talents. It's also not like such a commitment is written in blood.

dabvu2498
05-08-2008, 10:13 AM
I'm going off second hand info... it could be wrong, but the guy who told it to me is usually pretty accurate with his info.

Tubby was such a media darling, would they have questioned him if he offered such a commitment?

They conveniently leave off the opposing perspective that it can make the kid a better player in the long run through feedback from an elite college-level coaching staff about ways he can improve his game and what he should be doing in order to maximize his god-given talents. It's also not like such a commitment is written in blood.

Better check your source on the Roy W. info, WMR.

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=78#s=78&f=1410&t=2433632&p=2

Tubby was a "media darling" because he didn't do anything remotely controversial. There's some good and some bad to that for sure.

As far as actually recruiting an 8th grader... I still see more cons than pros. Lots more, in fact.

BTW, the kid is 15 years old and in the 8th grade. That's a semi-red flag right there.

WMR
05-08-2008, 10:30 AM
He was held back a year b/c he transferred to some sort of private school with ridiculously high academic standards. He has a 3.5 GPA. His dad is a doctor, IIRC.

The fact that he's 15 actually makes me more okay with the decision to offer him a scholly.

danken12
05-08-2008, 10:32 AM
He was held back a year b/c he transferred to some sort of private school with ridiculously high academic standards. He has a 3.5 GPA. His dad is a doctor, IIRC.

The fact that he's 15 actually makes me more okay with the decision to offer him a scholly.

I think he's an accountant, not that it really makes much difference. Seems like very down to earth people though.

WMR
05-08-2008, 10:33 AM
:lol: I'd hardly call that thread definitive proof that it isn't true. Rivals bball boards are just about scraping the bottom of the barrel, bball info intelligence-wise.

WMR
05-08-2008, 10:34 AM
I think he's an accountant, not that it really makes much difference. Seems like very down to earth people though.

You may be right.

joshnky
05-08-2008, 10:34 AM
Where's the mention of Run it Up Roy getting two 8th graders to commit last week?

Wonder if the NABC would be raising such a stink if Tubby was still the coach? :rolleyes:

From Jody Demling at the Courier-Journal:


The Hoop Scoop said the commitment by Sherwood (Calif.) guard Michael Avery - an eighth-grader - to Kentucky "to our knowledge is the earliest verbal commitment ever to a four-year Division I college or university."

Are UK fans honestly excited about committments from 8th and 9th graders? It might be a little different if this was a player like OJ Mayo who was known nationally in the 8th grade but instead this is a player ranked in the 40s. The reality of the situation is that these committments mean absolutely nothing. If the kids progress to be top twenty players then they will likely reopen there commitment as schools start calling on them. If they don't progress UK will likely dump them and move on without them. Lets face it, these kids will likely change high schools a couple times. Can you really expect them to keep their commitment?

WMR
05-08-2008, 10:35 AM
but instead this is a player ranked in the 40s. The reality of the situation is that these committments mean absolutely nothing. If the kids progress to be top twenty players then they will likely reopen there commitment as schools start calling on them. If they don't progress UK will likely dump them and move on without them. Lets face it, these kids will likely change high schools a couple times. Can you really expect them to keep their commitment?

Normally, no I wouldn't bet on the kid actually playing for UK, and the odds are still against it in this instance, but I heard the podcast with this kid's dad and was very impressed. :shrug: I'll trust that Billy G knows what he is looking for.

I'll definitely trust Billy G over some 40th rank on some undisclosed website.

joshnky
05-08-2008, 10:39 AM
Normally, no I wouldn't bet on the kid actually playing for UK, and the odds are still against it in this instance, but I heard the podcast with this kid's dad and was very impressed. :shrug: I'll trust that Billy G knows what he is looking for.

I'll definitely trust Billy G over some 40th rank on some undisclosed website.

In 8th or 9th grade? They seem to be basing their assessment of these kids on growth potential. Can you really predict what a kid's body will be like in 4 or 5 years?

dabvu2498
05-08-2008, 10:39 AM
:lol: I'd hardly call that thread definitive proof that it isn't true. Rivals bball boards are just about scraping the bottom of the barrel, bball info intelligence-wise.

Good thing, because that was a scout.com board. :)

BTW, the source of the Roy W. info was Marc Maggard. Not exactly the New York Times. :D

WMR
05-08-2008, 10:41 AM
In 8th or 9th grade? They seem to be basing their assessment of these kids on growth potential. Can you really predict what a kid's body will be like in 4 or 5 years?

Well the kid's already 6'4" and plays on a U-17 AAU team... doesn't need to project to grow much more at all, although it is likely that he will.

WMR
05-08-2008, 10:42 AM
Good thing, because that was a scout.com board. :)

BTW, the source of the Roy W. info was Marc Maggard. Not exactly the New York Times. :D

Scout, Rivals, same crap different name.

Maggard is a guru. And it wasn't Maggard that posted it, it was someone else on his board. Other boards LOVE to hate on Maggard.

dabvu2498
05-08-2008, 10:46 AM
but I heard the podcast with this kid's dad and was very impressed.

Must have been super impressed, seeing as how he's never been in the state of Kentucky.

BTW, sorry to hear about Bud Mackey. Some dudes just don't learn.

http://www.kentucky.com/211/story/396630.html

joshnky
05-08-2008, 10:46 AM
Well the kid's already 6'4" and plays on a U-17 AAU team... doesn't need to project to grow much more at all, although it is likely that he will.

And yet Hoop Scoop ranks him as the #45 player in the class. No one else of consequence even bothers to rank middle schoolers because its so unpredictable and frankly, foolish.

I don't see any problem with BillyG recruiting him because thats what everyone does. Also, it wouldn't surprise me if this is more of a situation of the kid committing to UK than it is UK committing to him. If UK has already offered a scholly to him that seems a little foolish.

dabvu2498
05-08-2008, 10:48 AM
I don't see any problem with BillyG recruiting him because thats what everyone does. Also, it wouldn't surprise me if this is more of a situation of the kid committing to UK than it is UK committing to him. If UK has already offered a scholly to him that seems a little foolish.

Agree with that 100%. They've gotten alot of attention out of this. Of course, so has UK. :D

WMR
05-08-2008, 10:49 AM
Like you said, #45 could easily become top 20 or even higher. Clearly Gillispie sees something in him that he likes a bunch to go after him so early. It's no guarantee that he'll play for Kentucky, but if you were charting the percentages, it would certainly provide a boost. At that young age, that's really all you can do. If he drops, Kentucky will give him plenty of hints and time, I'm sure, his Junior and Senior year to pursue other opportunities just like he'll possibly avail himself of checking out other schools should his status skyrocket. Kentucky IS an elite major on the ascent, however, so any school changes he makes will be lateral moves only. Kentucky isn't going to be in a situation where a kid leaves b/c another school can offer him more exposure or prestige.

WVRed
05-08-2008, 02:47 PM
Scout, Rivals, same crap different name.

Maggard is a guru. And it wasn't Maggard that posted it, it was someone else on his board. Other boards LOVE to hate on Maggard.

I read Kentucky Ink a lot, and it is by far and away the best UK basketball board out there. That being said, it is not Redszone by a stretch, but there are a lot of people there who are "in the know" about recruiting. Marc alluded to a "mystery recruit" that Kentucky was looking at and Hood was the big one.

UNC got two twins for 2009 in David and Travis Wear, that could be who you were talking about.

WMR
05-08-2008, 02:57 PM
I really love what Maggard has done with the place recently, especially denoting recruiting insiders with all of those stars. KY Ink is getting better and better all the time. No other UK site comes close (except for our thread here on RZ!).

WMR
05-08-2008, 02:57 PM
Ummm, WV, fan of Pedo Bear are we?

BRM
05-08-2008, 03:01 PM
Must have been super impressed, seeing as how he's never been in the state of Kentucky.


Billy G, the super salesman.

dabvu2498
05-08-2008, 03:08 PM
Billy G, the super salesman.

Meanwhile, Kevin Stallings actually got a great recruiting class for a change.

If the 4 star guys develop like the 2 star guys he's gotten in the past, watch out.

WVRed
05-08-2008, 07:19 PM
Ummm, WV, fan of Pedo Bear are we?

Pedobear approves:)

WMR
05-08-2008, 07:30 PM
lol

Chip R
05-09-2008, 10:02 AM
I must say, I'm enjoying WMR's new avatar. :thumbup:

WMR
05-09-2008, 02:16 PM
:D

BRM
05-12-2008, 10:18 AM
I must say, I'm enjoying WMR's new avatar. :thumbup:

Same here. Very nice.

dabvu2498
05-15-2008, 04:04 PM
It appears that Matt Pilgrim, 6-9 Soph., orignially from Cincinnati (Withrow, I believe), is transferring from Hampton to UK.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/player/profile?playerId=32970

IIRC, he was a non-qualifier, went to a prep school in New England, then on to Hampton.

He'll have to sit out the 08-09 season, of course.

BRM
05-15-2008, 04:08 PM
It appears that Matt Pilgrim, 6-9 Soph., orignially from Cincinnati (Withrow, I believe), is transferring from Hampton to UK.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/player/profile?playerId=32970

IIRC, he was a non-qualifier, went to a prep school in New England, then on to Hampton.

He'll have to sit out the 08-09 season, of course.

He was a non-qualifier academically?

dabvu2498
05-15-2008, 04:14 PM
He was a non-qualifier academically?

Can't swear by that, but I think so. I think Louis Orr wanted him at Seton Hall, but he didn't make the grades or the scores, so he went to prep school instead.

Don't hold me to that. It's been 3 years ago.

In other news, Billy cried and told Vinny Zollo it was the happiest day of his life when he committed to UK. Awwwwww. :rolleyes:

http://www.kentucky.com/232/story/397617.html

BRM
05-15-2008, 04:21 PM
Billy is such an emotional fella. Players must absolutely LOVE playing for him.

dabvu2498
05-15-2008, 04:28 PM
Billy is such an emotional fella. Players must absolutely LOVE playing for him.

He'll really cry if Deandre Liggins doesn't qualify. Which I hear hasn't happened yet.

BRM
05-15-2008, 04:29 PM
I hear Matt Pilgrim really sucks. Anyone else hear that?

WVRed
05-15-2008, 09:11 PM
I hear Matt Pilgrim really sucks. Anyone else hear that?

Maggard compared him to Joey Dorsey, so take it FWIW.

If PP decides to go pro after next year, he could step in.

BRM
05-16-2008, 10:07 AM
Maggard compared him to Joey Dorsey, so take it FWIW.

If PP decides to go pro after next year, he could step in.

That's interesting. The word I got was he was pretty soft, nothing like a Joey Dorsey.