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AmarilloRed
03-16-2008, 10:54 PM
I know this is going to stir up a Hornets Nest, but Burton has not been the best reliever in spring training so far. 4 games, a 9.00 ERA, 8 hits, 4 runs, 4 earned, 2 HR, 0 walks, and 3 strikeouts. I know everyone has considered him a lock, but he really has not been overpowering in spring training.

I am not aware of whatever options he may have, but I think you might consider sending him to AAA. Bullpen spots are at a premium, and you don't let him go north if he will not be ready. He has spent his year on the roster, so I believe he can be sent to AAA now if we need to.

I do hope he does better and is one of the players to start Opening Day in Cincinnati, but I think you have to consider starting him in Louisville as well.

jmac
03-16-2008, 11:42 PM
I know this is going to stir up a Hornets Nest, but Burton has not been the best reliever in spring training so far. 4 games, a 9.00 ERA, 8 hits, 4 runs, 4 earned, 2 HR, 0 walks, and 3 strikeouts. I know everyone has considered him a lock, but he really has not been overpowering in spring training.

I am not aware of whatever options he may have, but I think you might consider sending him to AAA. Bullpen spots are at a premium, and you don't let him go north if he will not be ready. He has spent his year on the roster, so I believe he can be sent to AAA now if we need to.

I do hope he does better and is one of the players to start Opening Day in Cincinnati, but I think you have to consider starting him in Louisville as well.
I agree.
I have high hopes for Burton to pick up where he left off but frankly with the spring he is having , it sorta surprises me how many writers still list him as a lock. I mean they do that with most vets but he is coming off a first year.
He certainly has the stuff our bp needs coming into a game late.

big boy
03-16-2008, 11:49 PM
Burton is a lock. Did you watch him in the 2nd half of the 2007 season?

BearcatShane
03-17-2008, 12:48 AM
I think he needs to be on the team. I mean, I was under the impression that the Reds were counting on him as a late inning reliever this year. If he struggles in the first four to six weeks, then I'd send him down.

NDReds9
03-17-2008, 04:07 AM
3 of those runs came in 1 outing.

Give me a break.

GoReds33
03-17-2008, 08:24 AM
If Burton doesn't make the team, that's the stupidest move ever. He was our best second half pitcher.

scounts22
03-17-2008, 08:49 AM
It's spring training. He should be with the club.

AmarilloRed
03-18-2008, 12:19 AM
Burton is a lock. Did you watch him in the 2nd half of the 2007 season?

I did. I also realize he is not exactly an established player, and may not be the same player he was last year. I don't think you can discount the possibility of AAA. There is no doubt he has outstanding stuff and will be a part of the Reds for a long time to come, but there may be other players who might be better on the Reds bullpen this year.

sweetsport06
03-18-2008, 12:24 AM
well at least some of these people on redszone have enough sense to throw out the spring training stats and accept he'll be on the opening day roster.
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"I suppose that if stats mongers want to sit at their computers and play with these things all day long, thatís their prerogative. But their attempt to introduce these new-age statistics into the game threatens to undermine most fansí enjoyment of baseball and the human factor therein. People play baseball. Numbers donít."[35]-Murray Chass[/U

sweetsport06
03-18-2008, 12:29 AM
"I suppose that if stats mongers want to sit at their computers and play with these things all day long, that’s their prerogative. But their attempt to introduce these new-age statistics into the game threatens to undermine most fans’ enjoyment of baseball and the human factor therein. People play baseball. Numbers don’t."[35]-Murray Chass

jmac
03-21-2008, 03:12 AM
Another tough outing for Burton.
Despite what some in this thread insist on, I dont think he is a lock unless he turns it around quickly.
Will he be good ? Ithink so.
He wouldnt be the first pitcher however that had to spend some of his second big league season in Triple A.

jmac
03-21-2008, 03:34 AM
well at least some of these people on redszone have enough sense to throw out the spring training stats and accept he'll be on the opening day roster.
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"I suppose that if stats mongers want to sit at their computers and play with these things all day long, thatís their prerogative. But their attempt to introduce these new-age statistics into the game threatens to undermine most fansí enjoyment of baseball and the human factor therein. People play baseball. Numbers donít."[35]-Murray Chass[/U

Stats are one thing.
Pitching results are another.

GoReds33
03-21-2008, 11:00 AM
I did. I also realize he is not exactly an established player, and may not be the same player he was last year. I don't think you can discount the possibility of AAA. There is no doubt he has outstanding stuff and will be a part of the Reds for a long time to come, but there may be other players who might be better on the Reds bullpen this year.While he may not be established, he is more established than the players competing with him. He will likely pitch the seventh, leaving Weathers the eigth, and Cordero to close it out.

gobucks106
03-21-2008, 11:44 AM
I know he finished strong last year. He gave up three more runs on four hits in an inning lastnight. The thing that is working aginast him is all the guys in camp. Lastnight was only his fifth inning ini camp this spring. I hope some cuts are coming and that more work in the next week means he'll be in a groove to start the season. Last year he seemed to be a slow starter. I'm a little concerned! Hopefully he gets it worked out by opening day!

BLEEDS
03-21-2008, 11:59 AM
He will make the roster. Bottom line is, we don't have enough RIGHT HANDED bullpen guys - unless you're counting on a Belisle/Fogg (loser of the #5 SP spot).

* - for sure locks
. - IMO the other 3

Righties:
*Cordero
*Weathers
.Coffey
.Burton
Belisle/Fogg(?)

Lefties:
*Affeldt
*Stanton (ugh, but the writing is on the wall)
.Bray
Cout
Mercker (has looked pretty good in ST so far)
Capellan

No way we are going with 4 Lefties in the Bullpen, and IF we were - it would be at the cost of a 13th position player, and you've got Cout and Mercker who might get it instead.

Burton is a lock - unless you want to look at Majewski or someone they already sent down (Roenicke, McBeth) for a righty bullpen guy.

PEACE

-BLEEDS

captainmorgan07
03-21-2008, 12:11 PM
I sure hope he's a lock. Burton in the 7th, Weathers in the 8th and Cordero in the 9th would be a great combo. He does have options though so he can be sent down without us having to put him on waivers. I think he'll get it together here quickly and erase all the doubt from people's minds.

AmarilloRed
03-21-2008, 01:58 PM
He will make the roster. Bottom line is, we don't have enough RIGHT HANDED bullpen guys - unless you're counting on a Belisle/Fogg (loser of the #5 SP spot).

* - for sure locks
. - IMO the other 3

Righties:
*Cordero
*Weathers
.Coffey
.Burton
Belisle/Fogg(?)

Lefties:
*Affeldt
*Stanton (ugh, but the writing is on the wall)
.Bray
Cout
Mercker (has looked pretty good in ST so far)
Capellan

No way we are going with 4 Lefties in the Bullpen, and IF we were - it would be at the cost of a 13th position player, and you've got Cout and Mercker who might get it instead.

Burton is a lock - unless you want to look at Majewski or someone they already sent down (Roenicke, McBeth) for a righty bullpen guy.

PEACE

-BLEEDS

Belisle has a sore right forearm, and could start the season on the DL. Don't count on him.

BLEEDS
03-21-2008, 02:04 PM
Belisle has a sore right forearm, and could start the season on the DL. Don't count on him.

Where did you hear that? Is that why he's sucked so bad this Spring?

PEACE

-BLEEDS

AmarilloRed
03-21-2008, 02:07 PM
FORT MYERS, Fla. -- Reds starting pitcher Matt Belisle has been shut down from throwing because of a sore right forearm, the Reds announced on Thursday.

How did Belisle get hurt?

"He was overpracticing his changeup," manager Dusty Baker said.

Baker did not know how long Belisle would be out of action. He hasn't pitched in a game since last Friday against the Yankees.

"We skipped him a turn and we'll see," Baker said. "From there, it's getting a little tougher to get the endurance back. That kind of set him backwards."

Belisle's injury could end up cementing the makeup of the Reds' rotation with just over a week left in camp. With Johnny Cueto and Edinson Volquez closing in on earning two of the three open spots, one spot seemed left for battle among Belisle, Josh Fogg and Homer Bailey.

http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080320&content_id=2448087&vkey=spt2008news&fext=.jsp&c_id=cin

It seems like it happened just recently. I don't know for sure he will start on the DL; there is a good possibility however. I did create a thread about it on the Sun Deck.

StrikeIndicator
03-21-2008, 02:11 PM
3 of those runs came in 1 outing.

Give me a break.

Yeah, and all of Salmon's runs this ST came also came in one inning (with the catcher aka the curse for the bullpen, who leads the team in passed balls and catching "WP's" )

AmarilloRed
04-01-2008, 09:13 PM
Burton gave up a home run in Monday's Opening Day game. That combined with his bad spring training is reason enough to keep watch on his progress in April. I hope Burton does well, but he will work himself to AAA if he keeps it up. It is a small sample size, however.

jmac
04-01-2008, 10:13 PM
Burton gave up a home run in Monday's Opening Day game. That combined with his bad spring training is reason enough to keep watch on his progress in April. I hope Burton does well, but he will work himself to AAA if he keeps it up. It is a small sample size, however.

Agreed.
Many wanted Burton to make simply based on last year.
I was sorta surprised Dusty didnt bring Coffey in based on their ST's.

scounts22
04-02-2008, 02:22 PM
Didn't Burton get off to a slow start last year?

AmarilloRed
04-02-2008, 02:30 PM
Didn't Burton get off to a slow start last year?

He did fairly well at the beginning of the season; it was late May and June where he began to struggle.

HeatherC1212
04-02-2008, 04:55 PM
Dusty said something about having Jared come into a less pressured situation on Monday so he could get his feet wet in the big leagues again or something like that. I can't remember where I read that but it does make sense. Jared had a shaky spring and he needs his confidence back. I think his stuff is fine but I bet if the Reds were holding a lead at that same point in the game, someone else would have come in to pitch the seventh inning.

HalMorrisRules
04-05-2008, 12:13 AM
I think Burton will be just fine!

jmac
04-05-2008, 01:24 AM
I think Burton will be just fine!

He certainly looked like the Burton of last year tonight.
That is good cause unfortunately so did Coffey ( for second straight appearance).

fugowitribe
04-05-2008, 01:24 AM
Looked like the best bullpen innings of the year when he came in tonight!