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BearcatShane
03-17-2008, 01:13 AM
In the CBI. Lol.

CINCINNATI, OH The University of Cincinnati will continue the 2007-08 men's basketball season this week as a participant in the inaugural postseason College Basketball Invitational (CBI), which will be begin with first round games Tuesday and Wednesday, March 18-19 on campus sites around the nation.


US Presswire

Deonta Vaughn and the rest of his teammates are not done yet.
The Bearcats (13-18, 8-10 BIG EAST) will travel for a first-round game on Wednesday, March 19. The opponent will be announced Monday morning. UC student-athletes are in final exams this week and the UC Administration is working with the tournament management to secure travel that fits around the exam schedules.

The CBI features 16 teams and secures an important opportunity for deserving programs to have a postseason experience. Participating teams are being invited based upon their performance during their conference and non-conference schedules. All the games, which begin Tuesday, will be played on the campuses of the higher-seeded teams. The tournament's champion will be determined by a best-of-three series scheduled for March 31, April 2, and April 4.

All of the games will be televised nationally by FOX College Sports.

"Obviously we are excited to be playing in the postseason" says second-year head coach Mick Cronin. "This is a tribute to the tough schedule that we played over the course of the season and to the strength of the BIG EAST. More than 40 percent of our games this season were played against NCAA Tournament teams. Our kids are excited for the opportunity to represent UC again on the floor and will make the most of this experience."

UC played 14 of its 31 games this season against teams that made the NCAA Tournament's field of 65. The Bearcats went 4-10 in those games, with the wins coming over Pittsburgh, Louisville, West Virginia, and Villanova. Nine of their 31 games were against teams that received a No. 4 seed or higher.

Cincinnati dropped its first-round game in the BIG EAST Tournament to eventual tournament champion Pittsburgh, 70-64, despite 30 points from first-team all-BIG EAST performer Deonta Vaughn.

The Gazelle Group, producers of the 2K Sports College Hoops Classic benefiting Coaches vs. Cancer, the O'Reilly Auto Parts CBE Classic, and the Legends Classic, is the sponsoring body for the new tournament. For more information please log onto the web at http://www.gazellegroup.com/cbi/index_main.htm.

OSUredsFAN
03-17-2008, 01:24 AM
WOW, what a joke

BearcatShane
03-17-2008, 01:28 AM
WOW, what a joke



Lol true. I'm a huge Bearcat fan and I agree. A 13-18 team should not play in the postseason. But hey, if I can watch my Cats for a few more games, I'm for it I guess.

KronoRed
03-17-2008, 01:37 AM
Wow, a not invited to the not invited tournament.

Cedric
03-17-2008, 01:42 AM
It's nice for players like Williamson and Warren who get to play at least one more game. I just can't see where the need or fan support for this tournament is going to come from? Luckily they didn't play this game in Clifton. There would probably be twelve people there.

Caveat Emperor
03-17-2008, 02:43 AM
All of the games will be televised nationally by FOX College Sports.

It was either this, or "Fraternity Poker Challenge."

GoReds33
03-17-2008, 08:27 AM
I really didn't see this coming. That's just great!!! I thought my year of watching basketball was over. I guess I'm watching more basketball.

NorrisHopper30
03-17-2008, 09:28 AM
It would be kind of cool to win the first inaugural CBI.

rotnoid
03-17-2008, 11:05 AM
It would be kind of cool to win the first inaugural CBI.

Way better than winning the second inaugural one. ;)

This is nice for Mick and the seniors. One more game in a "post season" atmosphere.

I'll be interested to see the pool of teams here though, after the NCAAs and the NIT, you're down to claiming we're #98!! if you win.

Sea Ray
03-17-2008, 11:18 AM
I think it's good for the kids. There's a higher percentage of teams that get Bowl bids in football than basketball teams in post season tournaments considering that there are over 300 Div I basketball teams. If a little over 100 of those earn postseason bids, fine.

Roy Tucker
03-17-2008, 03:37 PM
The tournament's champion will be determined by a best-of-three series scheduled for March 31, April 2, and April 4.



This is interesting. Lots of home games for someone.

http://thesportseconomist.com/

CrackerJack
03-17-2008, 04:03 PM
I don't think I can stand to watch this Bearcat team again, I was hoping it was over with. :)

OSUredsFAN
03-17-2008, 04:07 PM
I think it's good for the kids. There's a higher percentage of teams that get Bowl bids in football than basketball teams in post season tournaments considering that there are over 300 Div I basketball teams. If a little over 100 of those earn postseason bids, fine.

Thats fine if you have a winning record. No football team below .500 goes bowling, so how can a losing team be playing post-season hoops.

dabvu2498
03-17-2008, 04:12 PM
Thats fine if you have a winning record. No football team below .500 goes bowling, so how can a losing team be playing post-season hoops.

Wright State agrees with you.

Matt700wlw
03-17-2008, 04:28 PM
postseason play will be good for the young players, even if its some silly tournament like the CBI - I liked Mo's suggestion earlier...call it the CBA tournament - the Can't Beat Anyone tournament :D

Sea Ray
03-17-2008, 04:36 PM
Thats fine if you have a winning record. No football team below .500 goes bowling, so how can a losing team be playing post-season hoops.

Good point. I don't see why they can't find 16 .500 or better teams to fill its field

UKFlounder
03-17-2008, 05:51 PM
Good point. I don't see why they can't find 16 .500 or better teams to fill its field

I think some teams declined bids to it (Alabama, New Mexico St, perhaps) so their pool of choices was quite limited.

Maybe a "name" school like UC was worth it even with their record.

(And I think it's probably better for any young kids on the roster than for the seniors - any extra practice time might help in the long run, like the extra weeks before bowl games)

paintmered
03-17-2008, 07:14 PM
Sure, this tournament has little to no relevancy in the greater basketball world. But, it does have some relevancy for UC. They've gotten a chance to rest their legs after running the Big East gauntlet and now Cronin gets a chance to build his young players a little more this season.

UC is in this tournament because they beat 5 NCAA tourney teams this year and played a top 5 schedule. They ran out of gas down the stretch and were simply awful. If they'd won a few games out of their last 6, they'd be in the NIT with little argument (and a losing record). Also, the NIT reduced the number of teams in the tourney, so the CBI formed to fill the void. There might be 8 or so more teams in postseason play, not 16 because of the reduced NIT field.

paintmered
03-17-2008, 07:15 PM
Thats fine if you have a winning record. No football team below .500 goes bowling, so how can a losing team be playing post-season hoops.

For what it's worth, the NIT dropped their requirement that teams must go at least .500 to play in the tournament.

lo ryder
03-17-2008, 10:55 PM
Sorry to be very negative, but this is a real pet peeve of mine regarding this generation of youngsters.

I dont consider myself real old at 40 years and I played organized sports from the age of 6 until today. During my youth, there was always a winner and a loser. Now, some leagues dont keep scores of games and everyone gets a trophy at the end of the year. Pretty weak in my opinion.

This joke of a tournament emphasizes the philosophy that the final results dont matter and you are rewarded for a losing season. The NCAA and NIT have served us well for many years, now let the lower echelon of times spend time in the classroom after a losing season. After all, this is the real reason they are on campus if I am not mistaken.

Dont mean to get down on anyone, but this is not the way I was raised. I find this way of thinking and this newly formed tournament absurd.

Sea Ray
03-18-2008, 12:30 AM
Also, the NIT reduced the number of teams in the tourney, so the CBI formed to fill the void. There might be 8 or so more teams in postseason play, not 16 because of the reduced NIT field.

NIT doesn't have 32 teams anymore? How many do they have now? Is it 16 or do they have byes?

KronoRed
03-18-2008, 03:07 AM
It was 40 for a few years now it's back to 32.

redsfan1966
03-18-2008, 10:21 PM
Is WLW going to broadcast this garbage?

GoReds33
03-18-2008, 10:50 PM
Is WLW going to broadcast this garbage?Yes. It will also be on FSN Cincinnati.

redsfan1966
03-18-2008, 11:16 PM
good lord, 50000 watts down the drain for a night...

SeeinRed
03-19-2008, 10:18 AM
A few thoughts about tonight. I love the fact that UC gets the chance to play some more games. Maybe just because I'm a UC fan, but I think the CBI just wanted a team with a big name. I also think that UC is a team that will play at %100 because they are just happy to still be playing. I love UC basketball. There are many more out there like me. After going through what we have gone through in the last few years, I am just excited to see some post season basketball. Its a type of reward for sticking with this team despite what has happened. There for, I guaruntee you that 700 WLW isn't just wasting the air time as someone else stated. Wether or not they deserve to be in the CBI, or wether or not the CBI should even be around can be debated. I promise you, there are a lot of fans that are just happy to see their favorite team still playing. I will enjoy the game. I know many others will also.

Sea Ray
03-19-2008, 10:56 AM
Yes. It will also be on FSN Cincinnati.

That's been changed. Look for them on channel 99


The UC-Bradley basketball tournament game at 7 p.m. Wednesday has been moved to new Time Warner and Insights channels, due to technical difficulties.

The Bearcats' inaugural College Basketball Invitational tournament game will be seen on Time Warner Channel 99 in the Cincinnati area, including the former Adelphia systems, not Channel 43 as announced Monday.

The NHL Columbus Blue Jackets will play Detroit on Fox Sports Net Ohio, Channel 43. FSN Ohio could not split the feed to show the hockey game in Columbus, and the UC game in Cincinnati, says Kent Walsh, FSN Ohio program director.

Cedric
03-19-2008, 12:29 PM
A few thoughts about tonight. I love the fact that UC gets the chance to play some more games. Maybe just because I'm a UC fan, but I think the CBI just wanted a team with a big name. I also think that UC is a team that will play at %100 because they are just happy to still be playing. I love UC basketball. There are many more out there like me. After going through what we have gone through in the last few years, I am just excited to see some post season basketball. Its a type of reward for sticking with this team despite what has happened. There for, I guaruntee you that 700 WLW isn't just wasting the air time as someone else stated. Wether or not they deserve to be in the CBI, or wether or not the CBI should even be around can be debated. I promise you, there are a lot of fans that are just happy to see their favorite team still playing. I will enjoy the game. I know many others will also.

I don't think most people even know that UC is playing or what the hell this tournament is. PTI and Rome were completely bashing it for the past two days. And UC wasn't originally offered a spot in this game. They were only offered after other teams rejected bids.

dabvu2498
03-19-2008, 12:31 PM
I don't think most people even know that UC is playing or what the hell this tournament is. PTI and Rome were completely bashing it for the past two days. And UC wasn't originally offered a spot in this game. They were only offered after other teams rejected bids.

Western Michigan would have taken a bid.


Fuming Western Michigan coach Hawkins: New CBI 'a joke'
by Graham Couch
Kalamazoo Gazette
Tuesday March 18, 2008

KALAMAZOO -- Steve Hawkins isn't so much bothered that he's been left out of the postseason.

The "rotten, rotten feeling" eating at Western Michigan University's men's basketball coach is a sadness for his players and a system he sees as flawed and, worse yet, corrupt.

Despite a 20-12 record and a Mid-American Conference West Division title, the National Invitation Tournament and inaugural College Basketball Invitational passed on the Broncos Sunday night.

Hawkins knew the NIT was a long shot, given the recent reduction of teams from 40 to 32 and the mandatory inclusion of regular-season conference champions that don't win their league tournament.

He's not as diplomatic when it comes to the CBI's 16-team field, which includes two other Mid-American Conference teams -- Ohio and Miami-Ohio -- with lesser league resumes, one program with a losing record (Cincinnati), two teams with higher RPIs and five with a worse Sagarin Rating.

"It wasn't based on merit and accomplishment," Hawkins said. "So as excited as I was to see another tournament come along, now it's been dampened by the fact that the (Gazelle Group) that's running it is not basing it completely on accomplishment.

"What appears to be obvious at this point is they have gone with some teams that have gone with them in the past to some of their (preseason) exempt tournaments. So teams that have spent money on them in the past, they've rewarded again by rewarding them spots in the CBI.

"And we've never gone with the Gazelle Group for any of their tournaments, so we're getting punished by not being able to get into postseason play."

The Big 12 Conference, and several other programs, refused bids from the CBI, which required a $60,000 guarantee on ticket sales and 60 percent of any additional gate receipts.

The CBI claimed that it didn't see a need to take a team with a sub-.500 record with "too many teams out there with good records," Gazelle Group president Rick Giles said in November. And yet, Cincinnati, at 13-18, is in the field.

It's believed that the Bearcats, like Ohio -- which finished with 19 wins, three fewer conference victories than WMU and lost a round earlier in the league tourney -- lobbied for a bid, using long-standing financial ties to the Gazelle Group.

"Ohio loses their first-round game (at the MAC Tournament) and (league commissioner) Rick Chryst told me after the game that would probably seal Ohio's fate," Hawkins said. "Then (Sunday) night I talk to (MAC director of basketball operations) Rick Boyages and Rick Boyages says, 'Well, we're hearing that Ohio has brokered a deal to get into the CBI.'

"I said, 'What do you mean? I didn't know brokering a deal was allowed. Should we have been doing something here? Who should have we been talking to, to broker a deal to get into postseason play? I thought this was all based on merit and accomplishment.' And then we find out that it's really not and here we are. I'm going to walk into our postseason meaning in 20 minutes and say, 'Well, guys, the season's over.'"

Hawkins said the MAC office told him the Broncos' No. 119 RPI could be its downfall, though Virginia and Old Dominion both are in the CBI with higher RPIs.

If it's wins and losses that matter, he points out, how is Miami-Ohio in the field after a 17-15 season that included an Ohio-like 9-7 league mark and a loss in its only meeting with WMU.

"I mean, basically, it's a joke," Hawkins said of the CBI. "There's a team that's 13-18 in postseason play."

The CBI, which claimed it would be "100 percent accountable" for the teams it chose, did not return multiple messages left by the Gazette.

"I know I'm going to be coaching for another 20, 25 years," Hawkins said. "And so I can get back into more NCAA Tournaments and NIT Tournaments. I hope there's never another CBI tournament. Whatever it is that's out there, I know I'm going to have postseason play in my future. These seniors have no shot. These other players have a limited shot.

"You're messing with people's dreams, and in the back of smoke-filled rooms, you've got deals being brokered. Meanwhile you've got kids and their families sitting at home."

http://www.mlive.com/broncos/index.ssf/2008/03/fuming_western_michigan_coach.html

Redlegs23
03-19-2008, 04:15 PM
I tried passing out CBI brackets at the office to start an office pool. Most people didn't find it near as funny as I did. I got a lot of blank stares and confused looks.

paintmered
03-19-2008, 08:13 PM
I am also highly angered that thanks to this CBI garbage, the last half hour of "Reds Hot Stove League" was pre-empted on 700 WLW...trying to pick up 1530HOMER in Columbus is a bi-ch.

You can listen to 1530 online.

redsfan1966
03-19-2008, 08:28 PM
Every time I have tried the HOMER online player, I get a lot of drop outs and buffering and rebuffering...aka My Computer sucks!

Matt700wlw
03-19-2008, 10:04 PM
That was eventful...Cats lose by 3 and basically give it away in the end...

not like means anything.

Redlegs23
03-19-2008, 10:15 PM
I'm just glad we don't have to go through the pain of watching them anymore.

GoReds33
03-19-2008, 10:37 PM
I'm just glad we don't have to go through the pain of watching them anymore.Hopefully next year's team is much better. I can't wait for real Bearcat basketball.

Matt700wlw
03-19-2008, 10:39 PM
They'll be fine...it just takes time to rebuild it from absolutely nothing....they did a lot more this year than anybody thought they would.

GoReds33
03-19-2008, 10:41 PM
They'll be fine...it just takes time to rebuild it from absolutely nothing....they did a lot more this year than anybody thought they would.I don't know about doing more than people thought they would. I thought wins like Belmont would be easy. I didn't think we'd beat Pitt, Syracuse, or Louisville, but still two of those games were at home, and one was against a team working in an injured senior.

Matt700wlw
03-19-2008, 10:47 PM
I don't know about doing more than people thought they would. I thought wins like Belmont would be easy. I didn't think we'd beat Pitt, Syracuse, or Louisville, but still two of those games were at home, and one was against a team working in an injured senior.

Early on it was bad....but the Big East wins they were able to pull off and Big East Tournament appearance was unexpected, at least in my book....then the end was bad again.

GoReds33
03-19-2008, 10:49 PM
Early on it was bad....but the Big East wins they were able to pull off and Big East Tournament appearance was unexpected, at least in my book....then the end was bad again.I guess it all evens out in the end.