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paintmered
03-26-2008, 10:47 PM
* if Axl Rose releases his new album in 2008.


Dr Pepper Will Give Everyone** in America a Free Soda If Axl Rose Releases New Guns N' Roses Album, Chinese Democracy, In 2008
PR Newswire
**Guitarists Slash and Buckethead Will Not Be Eligible For Free Soda

PLANO, Texas, March 26 /PRNewswire/ -- Tired of a world in which Americans idolize wannabe singers and musicals about high schoolers pass as rock 'n roll music, Dr Pepper is encouraging (ok, begging) Axl Rose to finally release his 17-year-in-the-making belabored masterpiece, Chinese Democracy, in 2008.

In an unprecedented show of solidarity with Axl, everyone in America, except estranged GNR guitarists Slash and Buckethead, will receive a free can of Dr Pepper if the album ships some time -- anytime! -- in 2008. Dr Pepper supports Axl, and fully understands that sometimes you have to make it through the jungle before you get it right.

"It took a little patience to perfect Dr Pepper's special mix of 23 ingredients, which our fans have come to know and love," said Jaxie Alt, director of marketing for Dr Pepper. "So we completely understand and empathize with Axl's quest for perfection -- for something more than the average album. We know once it's released, people will refer to it as "Dr Pepper for the ears" because it will be such a refreshing blend of rich, bold sounds -- an instant classic."

http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/prnewswire/NYW021A26032008-1.htm

LoganBuck
03-26-2008, 11:26 PM
Somehow or other I don't think they will have to pay up.

*BaseClogger*
03-27-2008, 12:18 AM
Is the probability greater than anybody hitting that truck in CF? :D

justincredible
03-27-2008, 01:20 AM
Dr. Pepper will not have to pay up. Chinese Democracy will not be coming out any time soon.

Screwball
03-27-2008, 01:31 AM
We know once it's released, people will refer to it as "Dr Pepper for the ears" because it will be such a refreshing blend of rich, bold sounds -- an instant classic.


http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/happy/happy0188.gif

Dr. Pepper for the ears.

Yeah, that's what they'll say.

pedro
03-27-2008, 01:39 AM
That's ok.

Slash only drinks Dr. Skipper.

http://members.tripod.com/skintigh/drpepper/skipper.jpg

Degenerate39
03-28-2008, 11:32 AM
Dr. Pepper will not have to pay up. Chinese Democracy will not be coming out.

I thought this would be more accurate. :thumbup:

GIK
03-28-2008, 01:13 PM
It's going to happen. I'll take that Dr. Pepper.

Yachtzee
03-28-2008, 04:30 PM
That's ok.

Slash only drinks Dr. Skipper.

http://members.tripod.com/skintigh/drpepper/skipper.jpg

I thought he was more of a Mr. Pibb man.

Here's an interesting site:

http://cruftbox.com/cruft/images/pepper/pepper.html

Maybe if Aaron Harang wins a strikeout title, they can call him "Dr. K" and he can work out an endorsement deal with Krogers.

Johnny Footstool
03-28-2008, 04:42 PM
I'd rather pay for the Dr. Pepper and not have to think about Axl Rose.

RichRed
03-28-2008, 05:20 PM
nm

Yachtzee
03-28-2008, 05:22 PM
nm

For a second there, I thought David Spade was playing him in the movie.

Casey
03-28-2008, 05:22 PM
I'd rather pay for the Dr. Pepper and not have to think about Axl Rose.

My thoughts exactly.

Yachtzee
03-28-2008, 05:25 PM
I'd rather pay for the Dr. Pepper and not have to think about Axl Rose.

"You're not gettin' free Dr. Pepper...Aye, Yaye, Yaye Yaye Yaye."

RichRed
03-28-2008, 05:27 PM
For a second there, I thought David Spade was playing him in the movie.

Yeah, the picture I originally posted was so huge it scared me and I'm not smart enough to know how to shrink it.

I'll try this one:

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/2074/akt8.jpg

Not looking quite as "rock 'n roll" as he used to. But then, who is?

TC81190
03-29-2008, 03:39 AM
I hope I have to pay for all my Dr. Pepper this year, then.

Casey
03-29-2008, 09:11 AM
Yeah, the picture I originally posted was so huge it scared me and I'm not smart enough to know how to shrink it.

I'll try this one:

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/2074/akt8.jpg

Not looking quite as "rock 'n roll" as he used to. But then, who is?

He looks like he's on American Idol.

Handofdeath
03-29-2008, 11:33 PM
I think it's appropriate that the album is called Chinese Democracy. Both the album and the actual occurrence of democracy in China have virtually no chance of happening in our lifetime.

Joseph
03-30-2008, 09:46 AM
Man, there are a lot of people not loving Mr Rose here. Are we as Reds fans only permitted to love one person with the last name Rose?

I don't expect the album this year,but with Axl you never know. I'm a huge GnR fan, even if most of that band play with Velvet Revolver now.

I hope Chinese Democracy comes out, sooner rather than later.

Casey
03-30-2008, 10:16 AM
I was a huge GnR fan back in the day too, but I lost all respect for Rose when he started trying to capitalize on the name; trying to tour and put out cd's with the GnR name attached to them when he was the only member of the band represented.
I don't have a problem with him trying to have a solo career, but he shouldn't do it under the pretense that he was all that Guns N' Roses was about.

westofyou
03-30-2008, 11:57 AM
but I lost all respect for Rose when he started trying to capitalize on the name;

While opening for The Rolling Stones at the Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum in 1989 Rose outed a few members of the band for their problem with Mr Brownstone. He also locked himself in the dressing room prior to their appearance on the second day. His demand to them was he would only come out if the band would agree sign the name of the band over to him.

Me? I liked Izzy the best.

Heath
03-30-2008, 12:01 PM
Yeah, the picture I originally posted was so huge it scared me and I'm not smart enough to know how to shrink it.

I'll try this one:

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/2074/akt8.jpg

Not looking quite as "rock 'n roll" as he used to. But then, who is?

I think he needs to switch to Diet Dr. Pepper.

Tastes more like real Dr. Pepper.

marcshoe
03-30-2008, 01:02 PM
I think he needs to switch to Diet Dr. Pepper.

Tastes more like real Dr. Pepper.


Than what? Mr. Pibb? Motor oil?

Sorry. I know I'm off topic, but that line always bugged me.

namichael
03-30-2008, 06:02 PM
As ashamed as I am to say it, when and if the album comes out, I'll buy it. I saw the new GNR during one of their failed tours in '02 in Columbus. It was pretty good. But not nearly as good as Velvet Revolver live. I saw them in '04 in at Germain in Columbus.

:beerme:

Degenerate39
03-30-2008, 07:26 PM
Man, there are a lot of people not loving Mr Rose here. Are we as Reds fans only permitted to love one person with the last name Rose?

I don't expect the album this year,but with Axl you never know. I'm a huge GnR fan, even if most of that band play with Velvet Revolver now.

I hope Chinese Democracy comes out, sooner rather than later.

GNR is my favorite band. I've heard some of there new stuff and it's not that bad. I'll buy Chinese Democracy just for the sake of my GNR CD collection though.

Johnny Footstool
03-31-2008, 12:04 PM
Man, there are a lot of people not loving Mr Rose here. Are we as Reds fans only permitted to love one person with the last name Rose?

I started disliking him when he his refusals to perform became more than just antics and started causing riots, like in Toronto and St. Louis.




Me? I liked Izzy the best.

Me, too. Funny how the band disintegrated after he left, how the wellspring of original songs dried up -- "Spaghetti Incident" was all covers.

camisadelgolf
03-31-2008, 05:49 PM
Spaghetti Incident was certainly no Appetite for Destruction, but it was still a kick-ass album.

Joseph
04-02-2008, 11:13 AM
As a side note....

Scott Weiland and drummer Matt Sorum of Velvet Revolver are not getting along at all. That band is likely over.

Furthering this assumption is the announced reunion of Weilands 'other' little project known as Stone Temple Pilots and their summer tour.

Maybe Axl will reunite with Slash and company? Nah.

BRM
04-02-2008, 11:14 AM
I heard on the radio this morning that Weiland was out. He left the band. Slash says Velvet Revolver will move on though.

RollingStone.com confirms it.



According to a press release (http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20080401006700&newsLang=en), Velvet Revolver (http://www.rollingstone.com/artists/velvetrevolver) no longer have a lead singer. “This band is all about its fans and its music and Scott Weiland isn’t 100% committed to either,” Slash reportedly said (the group’s split with Weiland was confirmed by Sanctuary management). “Among other things, his increasingly erratic onstage behavior and personal problems have forced us to move on.” Last week, Weiland and drummer Matt Sorum engaged in a war of words (http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/index.php/2008/03/24/scott-weiland-matt-sorum-fuel-velvet-revolver-break-up-rumors/) via the press and blog posts, and yesterday Billboard reported that Weiland will announce a full set of tour dates with his old band, Stone Temple Pilots (http://www.rollingstone.com/artists/stonetemplepilots), on April 7th.

LoganBuck
04-02-2008, 02:24 PM
Please kiss and make up.

Joseph
04-02-2008, 03:49 PM
Velvet Revolver can be the new band on Rock Star the show.

savafan
06-21-2008, 11:04 PM
I want my free Dr. Pepper!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080619/wr_nm/guns_dc

MrCinatit
06-21-2008, 11:29 PM
"Chinese Democracy," the follow-up to the 1991 "Use Your Illusion" albums, will likely go down as the album with the most troubled birth in rock history. Work began way back in 1994, and since then, Rose has burned through a reported $13 million in production costs as well as every original member of the group.


I'd think it would be pretty tough to follow up the rough histories of The Beach Boys' Smile and The Who's Lifehouse.

Joseph
06-22-2008, 05:09 PM
Scott Weiland is convinced that G'nR is getting back together.

Of course he also loves heroin.

Heath
06-22-2008, 05:26 PM
Scott Weiland is convinced that G'nR is getting back together.

Of course he also loves heroin.

You also probably think 2+2=4

:D

Reds Nd2
08-27-2008, 06:57 PM
LOS ANGELES (AP) -- A blogger suspected of streaming songs from the unreleased Guns N' Roses album "Chinese Democracy" on his Web site was arrested Wednesday and appeared in court, where his bail was set at $10,000.

FBI agents arrested 27-year-old Kevin Cogill on Wednesday morning on suspicion of violating federal copyright laws. Cogill appeared in court in the afternoon in a T-shirt.

Federal authorities say Cogill posted nine unreleased Guns N' Roses songs on his Web site in June. The songs were later removed.

According to an arrest affidavit, Cogill admitted to agents that he posted the songs on his Web site. The magistrate judge did not impose any special Internet use restrictions on Cogill, who's expected back in court Sept. 17.

"Chinese Democracy" is a much anticipated — and repeatedly delayed — new album by Guns N' Roses that is more than 10 years in the making.

http://music.msn.com/music/article.aspx/?news=328430&GT1=28102

LoganBuck
10-17-2008, 11:01 PM
Bring me my Dr Pepper!

http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003874830
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=9111016&st=chinese+democracy&lp=1&type=product&cp=1&id=1925065

Degenerate39
10-18-2008, 12:32 AM
Bring me my Dr Pepper!

http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003874830
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=9111016&st=chinese+democracy&lp=1&type=product&cp=1&id=1925065

I had faith in Axl. It's going to suck but I'll still buy the CD.

Dom Heffner
11-19-2008, 07:49 AM
Rolling Stone gave it a great review, and the new single, "Better," kicks butt.

It's a great song.

Degenerate39
11-19-2008, 01:33 PM
Rolling Stone gave it a great review, and the new single, "Better," kicks butt.

It's a great song.

I love Better. It's one of my favorite Guns N Roses songs

will5979
11-19-2008, 03:07 PM
Everything I've heard from this album is great! Glad to see GNR back. Been a good year for rock. New Motley Crue, Metallica, AC/DC, and now GNR!

Degenerate39
11-19-2008, 05:27 PM
Everything I've heard from this album is great! Glad to see GNR back. Been a good year for rock. New Motley Crue, Metallica, AC/DC, and now GNR!

Finally have some good music around.

HotCorner
11-20-2008, 09:28 AM
Everything I've heard from this album is great! Glad to see GNR back. Been a good year for rock. New Motley Crue, Metallica, AC/DC, and now GNR!

Is this 1988? ;)

westofyou
11-20-2008, 10:35 AM
Everything I've heard from this album is great! Glad to see GNR back. Been a good year for rock. New Motley Crue, Metallica, AC/DC, and now GNR!

No Sha Na Na?

savafan
11-20-2008, 05:53 PM
http://www.reuters.com/article/technologyNews/idUSTRE4AJ08G20081120?feedType=RSS&feedName=technologyNews&rpc=22&sp=true

By Robert MacMillan

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Ex-Beatle Paul McCartney and Guns N' Roses released their biggest hits on vinyl records and compact discs, but on Thursday, their new albums will debut online on MySpace.

Users of MySpace, the world's largest social network on the Internet, will be able to listen for free to "Electric Arguments," the new album by McCartney's side-project group The Fireman, and "Chinese Democracy," the long-delayed album by hard rock band Guns N' Roses, before the songs are in stores and at online shops like Amazon.com.

Members of News Corp-owned MySpace will be able to play the songs on the bands' MySpace pages, but they will not be able to download them onto their computers.

Geffen Records plans to exclusively release "Chinese Democracy" on November 23 in the United States at consumer electronics chain Best Buy Co Inc. Most of its tracks have already shown up in various forms, including pirated versions on the Internet.

"Electric Arguments" is due to be released on November 25. Fans can also order songs from that album, but not songs from "Chinese Democracy", through MySpace Music.

MySpace Music is a joint venture with Vivendi's Universal Music Group, Sony Music and Warner Music Group.

Giving fans an early crack at the albums could be a big win for MySpace, which launched a music joint venture with several record labels this year to challenge Apple Inc's iTunes online music store.

MySpace has featured exclusives from other acts, but few as legendary as McCartney and Guns N' Roses singer Axl Rose.

It is the third album for The Fireman, a collaboration between the former Beatles bassist and Martin Glover, better known as Youth, the record producer and founding bassist of British punk-industrial music band Killing Joke. Their last album, "Rushes," came out a decade ago.

McCartney, 66, has a reputation for crafting sugary pop ballads and rock standards, but has recorded more experimental music, during and after his Beatles years. They include two other Fireman albums, a collaboration with Youth and the group Super Furry Animals, and one-man band record "McCartney II."

"Chinese Democracy" has aroused interest because of its notoriety; it is the first album of new Guns N' Roses material in more than 17 years, and has taken nearly as long to finish.

The band built its reputation on its hit debut "Appetite for Destruction" and "Use Your Illusion I" and "Use Your Illusion II," but tension among members led to all of the original members but Rose, 46, leaving.

Getting more members and advertisers is critical to MySpace, especially as the world financial crisis hammers corporate budgets.

News Corp cut its fiscal 2009 operating income forecast earlier this month to a low- to mid-teen percentage drop because of deteriorating ad sales, compared with a previous estimate of 4 percent to 6 percent growth.

It is hard to say how many new users will be attracted to MySpace by The Fireman and Guns N' Roses albums, MySpace president Tom Anderson said. He added that there have been millions of plays for launches of any significant band.

camisadelgolf
11-20-2008, 08:36 PM
I've already downloaded The Fireman's CD. I was really impressed.

WMR
11-20-2008, 08:42 PM
Dr Pepper to deliver on its free-soda promise

Nov 20, 6:26 PM (ET)


LOS ANGELES (AP) - Dr Pepper is making good on its promise of free soda now that the release of Guns N' Roses'"Chinese Democracy" is a reality. The soft-drink maker said in March that it would give a free soda to everyone in America if the album dropped in 2008. "Chinese Democracy," infamously delayed since recording began in 1994, goes on sale Sunday.

"We never thought this day would come," Tony Jacobs, Dr Pepper's vice president of marketing, said in a statement. "But now that it's here, all we can say is: The Dr Pepper's on us."

Beginning Sunday at 12:01 a.m., coupons for a free 20-ounce soda will be available for 24 hours on Dr Pepper's Web site. They'll be honored until Feb. 28.

Dr Pepper is owned by Dr Pepper Snapple Group, Inc.

Caveat Emperor
11-21-2008, 12:45 AM
I've already downloaded The Fireman's CD. I was really impressed.

I'm listening to it right now on MySpace -- color me *really* impressed too. This is the best thing I've heard Paul McCartney do in ages.

Degenerate39
11-21-2008, 04:56 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/blog/big_league_stew/post/Axl-Rose-and-Mark-McGwire-Long-lost-brothers-;_ylt=AmTU7aKwhZq0NbWKnLack2w5nYcB?urn=mlb,123928

WMR
11-22-2008, 02:25 PM
If anyone wants to give the album a listen, send me a PM.

Degenerate39
11-22-2008, 02:59 PM
I've listened to the album about 5 times already on MySpace. Pretty good. I wasn't expecting much so I was pretty surprised.

Reds Nd2
11-23-2008, 08:27 PM
Has anyone actually been able to access Dr. Peppers website to get their free drink?

forfreelin04
11-23-2008, 08:42 PM
Can't access their website. Curses!

LoganBuck
11-23-2008, 11:38 PM
Trying to access their webpage causes my browser to freeze up and crash.

HotCorner
11-24-2008, 10:31 AM
I saw this press release this morning



Dr Pepper Extends Free Coupon Offer Due to Consumer Demand
Everyone in America* has until 6 PM EST on Monday, November 24 to get a free 20 oz. Dr Pepper

Last update: 12:38 a.m. EST Nov. 24, 2008
PLANO, Texas, Nov 24, 2008 /PRNewswire via COMTEX/ -- Based on tremendous consumer response, Dr Pepper is extending its offer for a free Dr Pepper until 6 PM EST on Monday, November 24.
"People are passionate about Dr Pepper," said Tony Jacobs, vice president of marketing for Dr Pepper. "The response has been greater than anticipated and we want to do everything we can to ensure Dr Pepper fans get their free coupon. As a result, we've extended the offer, increased our server capacity and added a toll-free number, 1-888-DRPEPPER, for consumers to call to request their Dr Pepper."
HOW TO GET YOUR FREE DR PEPPER

1. Go to www.drpepper.com or call 1-888-DRPEPPER (1-888-377-3773)

2. Register your information online or by phone to receive a coupon for
one free 20-oz. Dr Pepper.

3. When your coupon arrives, redeem it wherever Dr Pepper is sold.

4. Drink your Dr Pepper slowly to experience all 23 flavors. Dr's
orders.



Allow 4-6 weeks for coupon to arrive. Coupons will expire on Feb. 28, 2009. Limit one coupon per person. Full terms and conditions available at www.drpepper.com.
* Guitarists Slash and Buckethead are not eligible for free soda
SOURCE Dr Pepper
http://www.drpepper.com

westofyou
11-24-2008, 10:52 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/23/arts/music/23pare.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=axlrose&st=cse&oref=slogin


November 23, 2008
Music
How Axl Rose Spent All That Time
By JON PARELES

“ALL I’ve got is precious time,” W. Axl Rose sings in the title song of Guns N’ Roses’ new album, and he must be well aware of how that line sounds now. Mr. Rose, 46, the only remaining original member of Guns N’ Roses, needed 17 years, more than $13 million (as of 2005) and a battalion of musicians, producers and advisers to deliver “Chinese Democracy,” the first album of new Guns N’ Roses songs since 1991. It’s being released on Sunday, with CDs sold exclusively at Best Buy. (In another 21st-century fillip the album’s best song, “Shackler’s Revenge,” appeared first in a video game, Rock Band 2.)

“Chinese Democracy” (Geffen) is the Titanic of rock albums: the ship, not the movie, although like the film it’s a monumental studio production. It’s outsize, lavish, obsessive, technologically advanced and, all too clearly, the end of an era. It’s also a shipwreck, capsized by pretensions and top-heavy production. In its 14 songs there are glimpses of heartfelt ferocity and despair, along with bursts of remarkable musicianship. But they are overwhelmed by countless layers of studio diddling and a tone of curdled self-pity. The album concludes with five bombastic power ballads in a row.

“Chinese Democracy” sounds like a loud last gasp from the reign of the indulged pop star: the kind of musician whose blockbuster early success could once assure loyal audiences, bountiful royalties, escalating ambitions and dangerously open-ended deadlines. The leaner, leakier 21st-century recording business is far less likely to nurture such erratic perfectionists. (Mr. Rose did manage to outpace Kevin Shields of My Bloody Valentine, which re-emerged on tour this year but hasn’t yet released a successor to its 1991 masterpiece, “Loveless.”) The new rock paradigm, a throwback to the 1950s and early 1960s, is to record faster, more cheaply and more often, then head out on tour before the next YouTube sensation distracts potential fans.

“Chinese Democracy” is such an old-school event that at this point no album could easily live up to the pent-up anticipation and fascination. Over the last two decades Guns N’ Roses’ 1987 debut album, “Appetite for Destruction,” has sold 18 million copies in the United States alone. The original band, particularly the guitar team of Slash on lead and Izzy Stradlin on rhythm, collaborated to forge a scrappy combination of glam, punk and metal behind Mr. Rose’s proudly abrasive voice, which could leap from a baritone growl to a fierce screech. Singing about sex, drugs, booze and stardom, Mr. Rose was a rags-to-MTV success story for the 1980s: a self-described abused child from heartland America who got himself out of Indiana and reinvented himself as a full-fledged Hollywood rock star, charismatic and volatile, never pretending to be controllable.

Amid tours, band members’ addictions and liaisons with models, Guns N’ Roses went on to make an EP and the multimillion-selling albums “Use Your Illusion” I and II, which were released simultaneously in 1991. Those were followed by a desultory collection of punk-rock remakes, “The Spaghetti Incident?,” in 1993, before the band splintered and left Mr. Rose as the owner of the Guns N’ Roses brand. Clearly it would be a very different band, but there was little doubt that Mr. Rose had more to say.

He has been announcing the impending completion of “Chinese Democracy” since at least 1999 and has been singing many of its songs on tour since 2001. Concert bootlegs and unfinished studio versions circulating online have defused some of the surprise from the finished album. Yet meanwhile, year after year, Mr. Rose worked on and reworked the songs. The album credits list 14 studios.

For years Mr. Rose has been tagged the Howard Hughes of rock, as his manager at the time was already complaining in 2001. That didn’t have to be a bad thing; estrangement and obsession have spawned great songs. But “Chinese Democracy,” though it’s a remarkable artifact of excess, is a letdown. Mr. Rose’s version of Guns N’ Roses, with sidemen he can fire rather than partners, leaves his worst impulses unchecked.

Guns N’ Roses is still collaborative; the songs on “Chinese Democracy” are credited to Mr. Rose along with many of the musicians who have passed through the band since the mid-1990s. The guitarists Buckethead and Robin Finck, the bassist Tommy Stinson and the drummers Josh Freese and Brain pushed Mr. Rose toward rock, others toward ballads. By way of comparison with the old Guns N’ Roses, Mr. Rose’s latter-day songwriting tilts more toward the pomp of “November Rain” than the thrust of “Welcome to the Jungle” or the pealing guitar lines of “Sweet Child o’ Mine.” The one song on “Chinese Democracy” written by Mr. Rose alone, “This I Love,” is by far the album’s most maudlin track, and he hams it up further with a vibrato vocal homage to Queen’s Freddie Mercury.

Like the old Guns N’ Roses albums “Chinese Democracy” whipsaws between arrogance and pain, moans and sneers. The present-day Mr. Rose presents himself as someone beleaguered on every front, a cornered character with nothing to lose. He’s tormented by inner demons and, from outside, by antagonists, lovers and users who constantly betray and exploit him. “Forgive them that tear down my soul,” he croaks in “Madagascar,” amid French horns playing a dirge. (The middle of that song inexplicably gives way to a collage of movie dialogue and speeches by the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.)

All the labors of Mr. Rose and his various lineups, both inspired and overblown, come through the finished album. Mr. Rose and his co-producer, Caram Costanzo, just keep piling up the sounds. String orchestra? Toy piano plinks? Voices muttering in foreign languages? Harp? Drum machines? Choirs? “I Have a Dream”? They’re all there, along with indefatigable drums and phalanxes of guitars.

“Chinese Democracy” reveals multiple archaeological layers, including what might have been passing fascinations as the 1990s and early 2000s rolled by: the Metallica of “Enter Sandman” in the surly, self-righteous “Sorry”; the distortion effects of Nine Inch Nails in “Shackler’s Revenge”; U2’s sustained guitars and martial beat to begin “Prostitute”; a combination of Elton John piano and strings (arranged by Mr. John’s longtime associate Paul Buckmaster) with Smashing Pumpkins guitar crescendos in “Street of Dreams.”

Some of the album’s best moments are its intros. Flaunting what time and money can accomplish, there are gratuitous ear grabbers like an a cappella vocal chorale in “Scraped,” a siren matched by a siren swoop of Mr. Rose’s voice in “Chinese Democracy” and the narrow-band, filtered beginning of “Better.” That track goes on to hurtle across so much of what Guns N’ Roses does well — from steel-clawed hard-rock riffs to metallic reggae-rock to arena-anthem melodies — that it almost makes up for the whininess and lazy “-tion” rhymes of the underlying song. “If the World” opens with acoustic guitar lines suggesting a Middle Eastern oud but segues into wah-wah rhythm guitar and sustained strings fit for a blaxploitation soundtrack, while Mr. Rose unleashes something like a soul falsetto.

Is it demented? Sometimes. Does Mr. Rose care? Apparently not. “I am crazy!” he belts over the frantic guitar and tom-toms of “Riad N’ the Bedouins,” while he’s a potentially trigger-happy maniac in “Shackler’s Revenge.” In “Scraped” he’s alternately depressive and manic, warning “Don’t you try to stop us now” over a riff fit for Led Zeppelin. “Catcher in the Rye” echoes the Beatles in its melody while it alludes to Mark David Chapman, who was carrying that book when he killed John Lennon: “If I thought that I was crazy/Well I guess I’d have more fun,” he sings.

Even when he’s presumably being himself, Mr. Rose is forever overwrought. He pushes his multiply overdubbed voice every which way — rasping, sobbing, cackling, yowling — while at the same time Mr. Finck, Buckethead and Ron (Bumblefoot) Thal are playing frantic guitar solos, with a mandate to wail higher and zoom faster.

The craziness on “Chinese Democracy” isn’t the wild, brawling arrogance that the young Mr. Rose and his rowdy ’80s band mates gave the fledgling Guns N’ Roses. It’s the maniacal attention to detail that’s possible in the era of Pro Tools: the infinitude of tiny tweaks available for every instant of a track, the chance to reshape every sound and reshuffle every setting, to test every guitar solo ever played on a song — or all of them at once — and then throw on a string arrangement for good measure. That microscopic focus is obvious throughout “Chinese Democracy”; every note sounds honed, polished, aimed — and then crammed into a song that’s already brimming with other virtuosity. At points where the mix goes truly haywire, like the end of “Catcher in the Rye,” a Meat Loaf song title sums things up: “Everything Louder Than Everything Else.”

It’s easy to imagine Mr. Rose determined to outdo his own brazen youth and his old band, but with less perspective and hundreds of new tracks as each year goes by. If Guns N’ Roses had released “Chinese Democracy” in 2000, it would still have been an event, but it might also have been treated as the transitional album in a band’s continuing career. By holding it back and tinkering with it for so long, Mr. Rose has pressured himself to make it epochal — especially if, on this timetable, the next Guns N’ Roses studio album doesn’t arrive until 2025. And fans were waiting for him to defy the world again, not to do another digital edit. Sometime during the years of work, theatricality and razzle-dazzle replaced heart.

As Mr. Rose bemoans the love that ended or vows to face life uncompromised and on his own, the music on “Chinese Democracy” swells and crashes all around him, frantic and nearly devoid of breathing space. It’s hard to envision him as the songs do, that besieged antihero alone against the world, when he’s sharing his bunker with a cast of thousands.

KronoRed
11-24-2008, 03:13 PM
Dr.Pepper wants an awful lot of information for one can of high fructose corn syrup.

The Baumer
11-24-2008, 04:29 PM
Site still not working.

Degenerate39
11-24-2008, 05:05 PM
Dr.Pepper wants an awful lot of information for one can of high fructose corn syrup.

Axl shouldn't be the only one that has to work for your Dr. Pepper

sonny
11-24-2008, 10:11 PM
That review souds like it's coming from one of the most pretentious human beings on earth.

AXL: "Appy polly loggies, Jon Parles."

LoganBuck
11-24-2008, 11:31 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/23/arts/music/23pare.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=axlrose&st=cse&oref=slogin

I have a feeling that guy could have written that review without listening to the album.

WVRed
11-25-2008, 09:48 AM
Dr.Pepper wants an awful lot of information for one can of high fructose corn syrup.

Wouldn't you think it would be smarter to let people print the coupon from the internet? I'm sure there are ways to make sure people don't register more than once.

With any luck, people will probably get the coupon about the time it expires.