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redsmetz
03-30-2008, 09:18 PM
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BoydsOfSummer
03-30-2008, 10:47 PM
I believe in the church of baseball.

When I was a kid I could barely sleep the night before. I'm ate up with it, as they say.

red-in-la
03-31-2008, 12:09 AM
I as you consider this a national holiday....I have invested in $$$$ worth of electronic gear and have taken the day off year after year to at least watch the game on TV.

I would however, appreciate it if you could remove the term "holy day" from your title RMetz.

redsmetz
03-31-2008, 06:53 AM
I as you consider this a national holiday....I have invested in $$$$ worth of electronic gear and have taken the day off year after year to at least watch the game on TV.

I would however, appreciate it if you could remove the term "holy day" from your title RMetz.

No offense, but that's what we call it and it goes along with the theme of Borgman's cartoon.

SunDeck
03-31-2008, 10:20 AM
I went to grade school in Delhi, where teachers would wheel a TV into the room for those kids who didn't take the day off. If a teacher wouldn't do that, she could pretty much be assured that half of us would have a transistor radio in our pockets with the cord for the ear piece running down our sleeves. In 1975, I spent entire classes leaning my head on my right hand during day games.

Unfortunately, I am afraid that part of baseball culture is gone. MLB cares more about fantasy players and prime time ratings than about making sure that the next generation of kids can see or hear the games. It's a shame.

klw
03-31-2008, 10:26 AM
Isn't the NCAA finals usually on opening Monday? Looks like that tournament is a whole week later.

Edskin
03-31-2008, 11:02 AM
I went to grade school in Delhi, where teachers would wheel a TV into the room for those kids who didn't take the day off. If a teacher wouldn't do that, she could pretty much be assured that half of us would have a transistor radio in our pockets with the cord for the ear piece running down our sleeves. In 1975, I spent entire classes leaning my head on my right hand during day games.

Unfortunately, I am afraid that part of baseball culture is gone. MLB cares more about fantasy players and prime time ratings than about making sure that the next generation of kids can see or hear the games. It's a shame.

Actually, it's probably EASIER for kids now to follow day games than it was back in 1975. With internet on cell phones, etc. it's probably pretty simple if they really wanted to follow along. But there's the rub.

Does a middle shcool kid really care about the Reds thesedays? They certainly care about the NFL and some other sports, but there is certainly a widening gap for the interest of kids and baseball. Just looking at the declining numbers of African-American ballplayers at all levels points to a certain "crisis" within American Youth Baseball.

People say that MLB is still going strong with good attendance, ratings, etc. but I think those numbers are skewed.

Baseball is still BIG TIME in the long-time baseball areas (Cincy, NYC, Chicago, etc.) baseball will always remain strong in those areas and in many cases, will remain the #1 sport.

However, the "in between" spots have really deteriorated in terms of MLB interest.

I live in OKC, and until the Sonics get here (very strong interest in the NBA here), we have no pro teams. Yet, the NFL is HUGE here, and people obviously love college football and basketball. The NBA as I mentioned is also quite popular. But I can tell you that I may be the only person in the state today excited about opening day. I'd say many really good sports fans don't even realize that today is opening day.

MLB is still very strong in places where it has a traditional foothold, but I think it's really lost the interest in many pockets around the country.

vaticanplum
03-31-2008, 11:14 AM
Isn't the NCAA finals usually on opening Monday? Looks like that tournament is a whole week later.

I think they pushed Opening Day up, actually. March 31 is extremely early for baseball.

westofyou
03-31-2008, 11:16 AM
I think they pushed Opening Day up, actually. March 31 is extremely early for baseball.

Not in the past 10 years it's not

vaticanplum
03-31-2008, 11:20 AM
Not in the past 10 years it's not

? Only once in the past 10 years (2003) has Opening Day been in March.

westofyou
03-31-2008, 11:27 AM
? Only once in the past 10 years (2003) has Opening Day been in March.

Maybe if you consider opening day to only be the Reds.

I however don't, so thus there are few more March dates in there.

vaticanplum
03-31-2008, 11:44 AM
Maybe if you consider opening day to only be the Reds.

I however don't, so thus there are few more March dates in there.

I do consider that Monday to be Opening Day, yes, not because of the Reds but because of the standard. But even disregarding that, I don't see where you're looking. Years in which there were games prior to the Monday adds only one March game in the last 10 years (2002). Not a few more. (And yes, I just looked this up, because I'm killing time.)

westofyou
03-31-2008, 11:56 AM
I do consider that Monday to be Opening Day, yes, not because of the Reds but because of the standard. But even disregarding that, I don't see where you're looking. Years in which there were games prior to the Monday adds only one March game in the last 10 years (2002). Not a few more. (And yes, I just looked this up, because I'm killing time.)

4 more years off the top of my head

March 31, 2003 there was a game,

The Brewers played their first NL game in 1998 on 3-31.

There were also March games in 96 and 97... so twelve years instead of ten.

SunDeck
03-31-2008, 12:24 PM
Actually, it's probably EASIER for kids now to follow day games than it was back in 1975. With internet on cell phones, etc. it's probably pretty simple if they really wanted to follow along. But there's the rub.



I didn't have to subscribe to anything to follow the Reds when I was twelve. Sure, following them is easy now, but with our family income back then, there is no way my parents would have sprung to foot the bill if it were the same as today. Perhaps I should have made that point more clear; MLB (and other sports) are no longer allowing access to their product like they did when I was a kid. It's for people who want to (and can) pony up the cash to pay for the content. And for a business with an anti trust exemption, that just doesn't seem right to me.

red-in-la
03-31-2008, 01:12 PM
No offense, but that's what we call it and it goes along with the theme of Borgman's cartoon.

But it is offensive....holy days have more meaning to some of us than baseball ever could. I have no right to interfere with what you call it in your family, but this is a public board and the rules do not allow for religious references.

BuckeyeRedleg
03-31-2008, 01:20 PM
"Holy" as an adjective has several different meanings.

Ex. Regarded as deserving special respect or reverence.

red-in-la
03-31-2008, 01:25 PM
"Holy" as an adjective has several different meanings.

Ex. Regarded as deserving special respect or reverence.

I have no intention of starting a detailed debate Buckeye, I simply asked for the courtesy....

:D

BuckeyeRedleg
03-31-2008, 01:27 PM
I have no intention of starting a detailed debate Buckeye, I simply asked for the courtesy....

:D

Nor do I. Just making a point. :)

BoydsOfSummer
03-31-2008, 03:40 PM
A gospel choir is singing a gold standard gospel song at the park as I type. Hallelujah!

redsmetz
03-31-2008, 08:55 PM
But it is offensive....holy days have more meaning to some of us than baseball ever could. I have no right to interfere with what you call it in your family, but this is a public board and the rules do not allow for religious references.

As a lifelong Catholic, I'm well aware of what a holy day is. I believe we're not permitted to enter into discussions of religion, but that doesn't mean we can't make an allusion to something like that. I think God's not too worried about a little humor.

vaticanplum
03-31-2008, 10:43 PM
4 more years off the top of my head

March 31, 2003 there was a game,

The Brewers played their first NL game in 1998 on 3-31.

There were also March games in 96 and 97... so twelve years instead of ten.

Splitting hairs big-time, but i already counted 2003 in my first post. 1998 is not within the last ten seasons if you count 2008.

Anyway, my point was that March baseball is unusual, which I stand by after checking the facts.

RedFanAlways1966
03-31-2008, 10:51 PM
Splitting hairs big-time, but i already counted 2003 in my first post. 1998 is not within the last ten seasons if you count 2008.

Anyway, my point was that March baseball is unusual, which I stand by after checking the facts.

They were talking about this on WLW this morning. IIRC they said the REDS have had like 126 Opening Days. Only 3 or 4 were in March. 2 or 3 were in May. The rest were in April. Not 100% sure of the numbers, but it is pretty darn close.

*BaseClogger*
03-31-2008, 10:55 PM
A gospel choir is singing a gold standard gospel song at the park as I type. Hallelujah!

Holy crap!

Chip R
03-31-2008, 11:09 PM
Anyway, my point was that March baseball is unusual, which I stand by after checking the facts.


It is unusual. However, it seems like Opening Day (in Cincinnati) has been right around the 1st of April. Last year was April 2 and the year before was April 3. This year probably would have been on April 1 if it wasn't a leap year. But I think these March openers are going to become more common now. I'm guessing next year will be on March 30 unless they want to push it to April 6.

red-in-la
04-01-2008, 12:06 AM
As a lifelong Catholic, I'm well aware of what a holy day is. I believe we're not permitted to enter into discussions of religion, but that doesn't mean we can't make an allusion to something like that. I think God's not too worried about a little humor.

I apologize Redsmetz, I didn't realize you were catholic.

SunDeck
04-01-2008, 08:08 AM
Opening Day should be in April. I don't care how many have been in March.

redsmetz
04-01-2008, 08:28 AM
I apologize Redsmetz, I didn't realize you were catholic.

Not a problem. I understand such allusions can lead to this discussion, and someone even took offense with Borgman in the letters from today's paper, I come from a long line of Irish jokers (my grandparents did Vaudeville acts, my mom performed in shows with Jimmy from the Mickey Mouse Club and her sister and brother sang on the radio in high school; ala the Clooney Sisters) and sometimes a little humor makes a nice point - heck, even St. Paul used some jokes in his epistle.

But, ultimately baseball isn't life or a doctrine - it's just something that makes the close of winter pleasant and bring some joy in a world that seriously lacks it sometimes. Play Ball! Amen!

Jpup
04-01-2008, 08:44 AM
Opening Day should be in April. I don't care how many have been in March.

Opening Day should be the first Monday in April and not before IMO. There shouldn't be any games played outside of the US unless it's Toronto and every team should start at the same time.

It seems a little unfair that Dice-K gets to pitch 2 of the first 3 games for the Red Sox. How are you going to start the season and then take another week off? That's crazy. Bud Selig needs to be fired.