View Full Version : Sarasota H-T Blog to track Reds re: Goodyear & Sarasota

04-01-2008, 05:25 PM
The Sarasota Herald Tribune has a writer who has started a blog to cover the Reds move to Goodyear or return to Sarasota as well as the Orioles interest in Sarasota if the Reds leave.


The writer also has an update on Sarasota's preparations should the Reds to AZ movement die


04-03-2008, 07:12 PM
Update on the financing...


I guess all that's left is for the city of Goodyear to approve the MOU...

04-03-2008, 07:28 PM
Thanks for the up to date info, Strider. I have attended 8 of the last 9 ST's, admittedly because I have a brother living in Ft. Myers, where I can catch the Reds vs. Twins and Bosox, and it is only 1.5 hour drive to Sarasota. I could not afford going to Az. to catch the Reds, (ain't got no family to stay with there)!!

04-03-2008, 08:14 PM
Looks like they may have the votes...


04-04-2008, 09:07 AM
Are the Reds worth it?


04-04-2008, 09:12 AM
Ed Smith Stadium Update


04-05-2008, 09:11 AM
Cactus League Funding Blueprint...


Article written as if Reds to Goodyear a done deal...

Lots of good information about the Arizona Sports and Tourism Authority, committed funding to Goodyear and future commitments. Looks like a possibility that Goodyear could eventually get most of the dollars to build Reds complex returned to them.

Footnote: I see where ORG has now started a similar thread...too bad we have so many threads that mirror each other...

04-05-2008, 04:50 PM
Goodyear City Council Agenda for 7/7


Staff Report Includes Community Benefit anticipated, Fiscal Impact, Debt Service, Operations Cost and the tentative agreement with the Arizona Sports and Tourism Authority to additional funding as it becomes available.


Twenty year agreement with two 5 year extensions. Reds to occupy facility in October 2009 and begin Spring Training in 2010. Reds to pay $ 100,000 a year rental/use fee adjusted for inflation.

Compared to Sarasota...I can see why the Reds are going to Goodyear. 38,000 square foot facility, 2 major league fields, 6 full practice fields, and 2 half practice fields or agility field, new stadium (shared with Indians) for $100,000 a year...it is unfortunately...a no brainer.

04-05-2008, 05:17 PM
Goodyear City Council with links to Video for those that want to watch Monday.


04-07-2008, 03:38 PM
Goodyear to Vote on Deal


Broadcast Video Link...Meeting at 9:00 PM EDT


04-07-2008, 09:56 PM
Well, my carefully considered comments just got bounced, apparently I put too much thought and took too much time to comment. So, now that I'm back on-line let me just simply say, that the original franchise in all of professional baseball has relegated itself to 2nd class status in Goodyear. I will lose my string of ST attendance, because I won't be able to afford it. Listening to the Goodyear council a moment ago, the Reds are already relegated to step-child class citizen status. The Indians practice fields will be lighted, the Reds? ---Sometime in the future. John Allen's negotiating skills are the equivalent of British PM Neville giving Hitler free reign in Europe before the outbreak of WWII.

04-08-2008, 02:41 AM
Cincinnati Reds to leave Sarasota for Arizona


04-08-2008, 02:42 AM
Reds to play ball in Goodyear


04-08-2008, 07:39 AM
I like the deal. It brings the Reds to a growing community, and to a part of the country that I haven't been. I can't wait to fly out there in a few years to catch a couple games.

04-08-2008, 02:28 PM
Well that sucks. It was nice having ST just a few hours down the road.

04-08-2008, 02:30 PM
Bye Bye Reds...


Sarasota Mayor says the fat lady hasn't sang yet


Arizona getting the Reds in 2010


04-08-2008, 03:11 PM
Reflecting on the final decision...Change is always difficult. The only one that likes change is a baby with a wet diaper and they go through it kicking and screaming.

What's the value of tradition. Habits are tough to change. I have been to ST games in Tampa, Plant City...Sarasota and always stayed in the Sarasota area. While the Reds have always held ST in Florida, the cities over the years have changed. Leaving Sarasota after 11 years will be difficult but not impossible.

Entertainment options...Agreed that Goodyear doesn't have a beach nor do they have Disney World, but there are other things to see and do in the Southwest. This is probably the strongest rationale for staying in Florida...more family vacation spots to visit.

Regarding cost...some people don't like to fly or they take may take a car full of family which makes a car a better option in going to Florida. Most of us in the Cincinnati area will have to fly to Arizona if we want to see the Reds. I'm not fortunate enough to have family in Florida so I always have to stay in hotels. I'll have to use hotels in Arizona also...no change.

So for me the difference comes down to the cost of transportation. Everything else will be roughly the same. At current gas prices a trip to Florida will cost me about $300 in gas for the round trip not counting around town trips (22 miles/gallon 2000 mile round trip, $3.25/gallon). The IRS says it really costs 50.5 cents per mile to operate a motor vehicle. At that rate...the real cost for me to drive back and forth to Florida is around $1000.

I have seen several posts over the last few weeks pricing roundtrip airfare from Cincinnati to Phoenix anywhere between $150-$250. At that rate, 2-3 people can travel to Arizona via air plus get a rental car for about the same cost of driving to Florida. Air travel to Florida is about the same as traveling to Arizona. Maybe not in 2010...but I can't really speculate on that right now. Bottom line is that other than overcoming the fear of flying...assuming that you don't drive to Goodyear...the likely cost of traveling to spring training can be managed to be about the same as today. Obviously if we insist on driving to Arizona, the cost of driving to Goodyear is about 80% greater than to Florida. ($530 to drive using the same criteria as above and using the longer distance). In other words, using today's gas prices, if I drove to Arizona the difference in gas costs for me between Sarasota and Goodyear is about $230. I can't imagine driving to Arizona though so for me the more realistic option is to look at air fare costs.

Bottom line is there is not an enormous difference in cost for traveling from Cincinnati to Arizona versus Florida unless you are filling a minivan with people or if airline prices increase significantly. One can argue the difference is large but the data says differently.

Everyone's circumstances are different, and everyone can find exceptions as to why it will be impossible for them to ever consider going to ST in Arizona.

Ultimately, the costs and considerations are different for all of us. It will affect some of us positively and some of us negatively. Any decision the Reds would have made has an impact on fans plans.

I realize that everyone that thinks this is a terrible move will find fault with my logic and blast the Reds for making a change.

My attitude since day one has been...if this is good for the Reds...and if they are going to go to Goodyear...then I want to find a way to be positive about the move.

It's hard to argue that the Reds are making a bad financial decision. They're saving millions now and additional dollars every year of the lease. They get new facilities, They get better weather. They get shorter road trips. Ultimately they are a business and every March the primary objective is to get a team ready for opening day. Every other consideration has to come second to that objective.

I'll miss Sarasota...but I'm looking forward to discovering Arizona and enjoying the Reds in their new ST site.

04-08-2008, 03:17 PM
Official Site of the Cactus League...