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OnBaseMachine
04-02-2008, 11:09 PM
I'm getting this one started early! All four of the Reds full season squads open tomorrow. Louisville plays at 2:00, the rest open at night.

Homer Bailey is scheduled to pitch for Louisville tomorrow (Thursday) afternoon.

Scott Carroll is starting for Dayton.

I'm not sure about who's starting for Sarasota and Chattanooga.

dougdirt
04-02-2008, 11:21 PM
Jordan Smith starts for Sarasota. Not sure about Chattanooga.

Geoffrey
04-02-2008, 11:53 PM
Daryl Thompson is starting.

Aronchis
04-03-2008, 02:28 AM
My guess is the Reds pitchers struggle franchise wide(Cueto,Bailey,Thompson and Smith).

icehole3
04-03-2008, 04:47 AM
thats a reach, that my friend wont happen...it will be the opposite guaranteed.

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OnBaseMachine
04-03-2008, 03:08 PM
My guess is the Reds pitchers struggle franchise wide(Cueto,Bailey,Thompson and Smith).

You were wrong:

Cueto 7 IP, 1 H, 1 R, 0 BB, 10 K...carried a perfect game into the 6th inning.

Homer Bailey so far: 2 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 0 K

LoganBuck
04-03-2008, 03:28 PM
Homer gave up a solo dinger, and has not k'd anyone. Through 4 54 pitches 36 strikes

Bruce 0-2 k

Benihana
04-03-2008, 03:32 PM
Starting to get plenty concerned about Homer's lack of K's

On another note, I find it very interesting that Bruce is in CF and Dickerson is in RF, given Dickerson's noted defensive abilities. Do the Reds still see Bruce as the franchise player in center?

Kc61
04-03-2008, 03:40 PM
Hoping Jordan Smith does well. Guy was left off every top 40 list for the team, yet was very solid at Dayton, doesn't walk guys, ground ball tendencies. His WHIP last year was excellent and I'm rooting for another good season at Sarasota.

dabvu2498
04-03-2008, 03:42 PM
By the way, happy 21st birthday to the youngest member of the Louisville Bats -- Mr. Jay Bruce.

Aronchis
04-03-2008, 03:46 PM
My guess is Bailey isn't throwing with enough "umph" yet which is probably causing little in the way of k's early. Does seem like he is setting his foot down right, which is improvement.

About what I expected.

Superdude
04-03-2008, 03:50 PM
Starting to get plenty concerned about Homer's lack of K's

Same here. High BB/High K I can deal with, but High BB/Low K is awfully troubling from a guy who was supposed to save the franchise just a year or so ago. Hopefully a year in Louisville will help him figure out what it takes to put away more disciplined hitters.

TRF
04-03-2008, 03:50 PM
My guess is Bailey isn't throwing with enough "umph" yet which is probably causing little in the way of k's early. Does seem like he is setting his foot down right, which is improvement.

About what I expected.

What were you expecting from Cueto? :cool:

Aronchis
04-03-2008, 04:13 PM
What were you expecting from Cueto? :cool:

Not that, for sure:cool:

Aronchis
04-03-2008, 04:15 PM
Same here. High BB/High K I can deal with, but High BB/Low K is awfully troubling from a guy who was supposed to save the franchise just a year or so ago. Hopefully a year in Louisville will help him figure out what it takes to put away more disciplined hitters.

Right now it is low bb/k:p:.

As Homer's velocity rises and he starts tossing 96-98 heaters more repeatedly, he will turn some of those groundout/flyouts into k's.

Though I think Homer should be required to put up a k/9 of 9 in AAA before he can be called up. After the deficit he has built for himself, that means some time working out of it.

Joseph
04-03-2008, 04:15 PM
Whats Baileys line?

New Fever
04-03-2008, 04:18 PM
Whats Baileys line?

7IP 5H 1 ER 1BB 2K's

Only 82 piches 9 GO 10 FO

texasdave
04-03-2008, 04:19 PM
7 IP 5H 1R 1ER 1BB 2K 1HR 1.29 ERA I can live with that type of pitching line.

BTW, Homer has set down the last 10 batters he has faced.

texasdave
04-03-2008, 04:20 PM
Mike Gosling sighting for Syracuse.

OnBaseMachine
04-03-2008, 04:26 PM
Nice outing for Homer. I'd like to see more strikeouts but the walk total and only one run allowed is impressive.

texasdave
04-03-2008, 04:26 PM
Two things you can count on are the sun rising in the east and Majewski giving up base hits. He comes on to start the 8th and gives up a base knock to the first batter he faces.

Aronchis
04-03-2008, 04:26 PM
7 IP 5H 1R 1ER 1BB 2K 1HR 1.29 ERA I can live with that type of pitching line.

Yup. K's gotta improve, but I figure as he settles in and gets stronger, they will rise. The bb/9 is terrific however. Exactly what we want to see.

I think the Verlander development path is the one for Homer. Verlander put up a rediculous amount of k's in low A but fell back to 9 k/9 in his 30I's after getting promoted in 2005. I bet if he started the year in AAA as Homer did(22), he would have put up a k/9 under 8.

It wasn't to last year Verlander finally put it all together at 24. I think Homer doesn't need to k alot of people to help the Reds. Verlander's 2006, his k/9 at the majors was a skimpy 6. Though, with the Reds defense, which probably wasn't as good as the Tigers, is a problem.

texasdave
04-03-2008, 04:30 PM
2 hits and a run so far in 2/3's of an inning for the magic man. =(
He escapes without further damage. End 8 Bats trail 2-0.

OnBaseMachine
04-03-2008, 04:39 PM
Bruce just singled to lead off the 9th. He's 1-for-4.

Aronchis
04-03-2008, 04:42 PM
Bats bats were dead today.

Joseph
04-03-2008, 04:59 PM
Promising line.

Honestly if, and I know its a big if, but if Cueto and Volquez are the real deal, Homer doesn't have to K people, he just needs to get them out.

Cyclone792
04-03-2008, 05:13 PM
2 hits and a run so far in 2/3's of an inning for the magic man. =(
He escapes without further damage. End 8 Bats trail 2-0.

Majewski can get lit up all he wants so long as the damage occurs in a 'bats uniform rather than a Reds uniform. Heck, the more he gets lit up the less likely the Reds are to bring him back up, and that's a good thing for our bullpen.

REDblooded
04-03-2008, 05:20 PM
If I'm under the right impression, isn't Bailey supposed to be working more on his secondary stuff? If so, that would easily explain the lack of strikeouts, as well as the better command.

I sure hope that's the case, because it would definitely help his psyche to see success like todays without trying to overpower hitters all of the time.

OnBaseMachine
04-03-2008, 06:30 PM
BTW Sarasota is facing Francisco Liriano tonight as he makes a rehab start. Ouch.

dougdirt
04-03-2008, 06:45 PM
Starting to get plenty concerned about Homer's lack of K's

So what is it we want.... Bailey to gain control and work on stuff, or him to go out and try to strike everyone out? The two things don't go hand in hand most of the time.

dougdirt
04-03-2008, 07:05 PM
Sarasota is currently scheduled to start 10 minutes late due to rain. Its no longer raining but it pushed everything back just a little.

dougdirt
04-03-2008, 07:09 PM
Dayton Starting Lineup


Player AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO AVG
Reed CF 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Menchaca LF 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Frazier SS 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Waring 3B 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
McKennon 1B 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Phipps RF 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Bour C 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Bartles DH 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Feiner 2B 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Carroll P 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000

dougdirt
04-03-2008, 07:12 PM
Sarasota Lineup


Player AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO AVG
Henry LF 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Turner 2B 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Ross C 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Valaika SS 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Francisco 3B 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Stubbs CF 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Heisey RF 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Kainer DH 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Louwsma 1B 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Smith, J P 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000

dougdirt
04-03-2008, 07:17 PM
Justin Turner hits a breaking ball from Liriano off the wall for a double for Sarasota

OnBaseMachine
04-03-2008, 07:23 PM
With two outs Todd Frazier walks and Brandon Waring singles but McKennon flied out. Inning over.

HBP
04-03-2008, 07:23 PM
I see Stubbs in sixth in the order, similar to the end of last year when he got hot I believe.

dougdirt
04-03-2008, 07:24 PM
Ross and Valaika strike out to end the Sarasota first inning

Grande Donkey
04-03-2008, 07:27 PM
Thanks for the updates guys. Keep up the good work.

OnBaseMachine
04-03-2008, 07:30 PM
Impressive first inning by Scott Carroll. Strikeout, groundout, strikeout.

dougdirt
04-03-2008, 07:30 PM
Jordan Smith walks the third batter on 4 pitches then gets taken deep. 2-0 after 1.

dougdirt
04-03-2008, 07:34 PM
Juan Francisco with a leadoff double in the second inning for the Sarasota Reds.

Drew Stubbs walks on 4 pitches.

Chris Heisey bunts and Liriano throws it away. Francisco scores, Stubbs to third and Heisey out trying to advance to second.

Carson Kainer with a sac fly that scores Drew Stubbs. Tied at 2.

Jason Louwsma with a bloop ground rule double that sounds much like Griffey's from today.

fearofpopvol1
04-03-2008, 07:49 PM
That's a pretty good line for Bailey for his 1st start this season.

I'm far more concerned with the BB's than the K's right now and it looks like he had a good day in that department. Anyone know how many strikes to balls he threw?

Here's to hoping he continues to improve.

dougdirt
04-03-2008, 07:50 PM
That's a pretty good line for Bailey for his 1st start this season.

I'm far more concerned with the BB's than the K's right now and it looks like he had a good day in that department. Anyone know how many strikes to balls he threw?

Here's to hoping he continues to improve.

53 strikes, 29 balls. Solid ratio.

OnBaseMachine
04-03-2008, 08:05 PM
Juan Francisco is 2-for-2 with two doubles off the tough lefty Liriano.

Juan Francisco is still only 20 years old. If he improve his plate discipline a little each year then this kid could be a special hitter.

dougdirt
04-03-2008, 08:07 PM
My computer is not being friendly currently. hopefully I can listen in and give some updates soon.

OnBaseMachine
04-03-2008, 08:08 PM
Scott Carroll: 3 IP, 2 H, 0 ER, 0 BB, 3 K

OnBaseMachine
04-03-2008, 08:19 PM
Carroll: 4 IP, 2 H, 0 ER, 0 BB, 3 K, 9 GO/1 FO

fearofpopvol1
04-03-2008, 08:36 PM
Definitely a solid ratio for Bailey. It'll be interesting to watch his progress.

RedlegJake
04-03-2008, 08:43 PM
That line on Carroll is freakin incredible. K's and grounders. Nice start

OnBaseMachine
04-03-2008, 08:44 PM
Frazier is 0-for-1 with two walks. Waring is 1-for-3 with the single.

New Fever
04-03-2008, 08:56 PM
Juan Francisco is 3-3 with 3 doubles off of Liriano

OnBaseMachine
04-03-2008, 08:58 PM
Juan Francisco is 3-3 with 3 doubles off of Liriano

That is very, very impressive.

Drew Stubbs is 1-for-2 with a single, walk, and stolen base off Liriano.

OnBaseMachine
04-03-2008, 09:00 PM
Lefties hit .202/.261/.250 - .511 OPS off Liriano in 2006 in the majors. That makes Francisco's 3-for-3 night with three doubles that much more impressive.

OnBaseMachine
04-03-2008, 09:01 PM
Daryl Thompson: 2 IP, 2 H, 0 ER, 0 BB, 3 K

Scott Carroll's night is over: 5.1 IP, 6 H, 2 ER, 0 BB, 3 K 10 GO/4 FO

New Fever
04-03-2008, 09:05 PM
On the box score it says that Juan Francisco also stole home in the 6th.

Aronchis
04-03-2008, 09:06 PM
Carroll lacks stuff.

OnBaseMachine
04-03-2008, 09:07 PM
Daryl Thompson: 3 IP, 2 H, 0 ER, 0 BB, 5 K, 4 GO/0 FO

dougdirt
04-03-2008, 09:12 PM
Carroll lacks stuff.

Not so sure about that.... he lacks experience. He has a solid fastball, but his offspeed offerings are a little raw still due to his playing football in college.

Aronchis
04-03-2008, 09:14 PM
Not so sure about that.... he lacks experience. He has a solid fastball, but his offspeed offerings are a little raw still due to his playing football in college.

His fastball is weak though well delivered. If he can't develope his offspeed stuff, he won't make it. Looks like a shine and ship player right now. No room for him anyway.

OnBaseMachine
04-03-2008, 09:15 PM
Chris Valaika just belted a 2-run HR.

Francisco followed with a single, he's now 4-for-4 with three doubles and a single.

Stubbs then walked for the 2nd time tonight.

Heisey is 2-for-3 with a double and 3 RBI.

OnBaseMachine
04-03-2008, 09:29 PM
Todd Frazier walks to begin the 8th with the Dragons down 3-2. Frazier is 0-1 with three walks.

dougdirt
04-03-2008, 09:31 PM
Dusty is going to read the reports tomorrow and lose his mind over all these walks! Kidding.

Daryl Thompson is pitching very well so far tonight for Chattanooga.

Aronchis
04-03-2008, 09:34 PM
Frazier and Stubbs may get benched for a game walking so much. Francisco gets the "Dusty" award for tonight.

Thompson building up his trade value.

OnBaseMachine
04-03-2008, 09:34 PM
Thompson: 4 IP, 2 H, 0 ER, 0 BB, 5 K, 6 GO/1 FO

OnBaseMachine
04-03-2008, 09:48 PM
Thompson: 5 IP, 2 H, 0 ER, 0 BB, 5 K, 7 GO/3 FO

OnBaseMachine
04-03-2008, 09:57 PM
Thompson: 6 IP, 3 H, 0 ER, 0 BB, 5 K, 8 GO/5 FO

PuffyPig
04-03-2008, 09:59 PM
Thompson building up his trade value.

Or simply building up his value to the Reds.

PuffyPig
04-03-2008, 10:00 PM
My guess is the Reds pitchers struggle franchise wide(Cueto,Bailey,Thompson and Smith).

Guess again.

dougdirt
04-03-2008, 10:05 PM
Danny Dorn walks and is followed up by an RBI Triple by BJ Szymanski to give the Lookouts a 2-1 lead here in the 7th.

OnBaseMachine
04-03-2008, 10:35 PM
Thompson: 6 IP, 3 H, 0 ER, 0 BB, 5 K, 8 GO/5 FO

That was Thompson's final line.

Danny Ray Herrera pitched a scoreless 7th with two hits allowed and one strikeout.

dougdirt
04-03-2008, 10:55 PM
Chattanooga won. Roenicke finished the 9th inning.

*BaseClogger*
04-03-2008, 11:23 PM
How old is Valaika? I don't know much about the situation, but shouldn't he be in AA?

Superdude
04-03-2008, 11:30 PM
This is great. Cueto utterly dominates in his ML debut, and the minor league season starts. I'm a happy dude. :D

I see Thompson continues to impress. BA didn't seem real high on him after last season despite a solid year. Think his arm is coming back?

New Fever
04-04-2008, 12:59 AM
How old is Valaika? I don't know much about the situation, but shouldn't he be in AA?

He is 22, and doesn't turn 23 until August. If he is promoted to AA this year, he would be the same age Votto was when he was in AA in 2006.

HumnHilghtFreel
04-04-2008, 02:33 AM
Thanks for all the updates guys. Gave me something to read in the middle of the night :)

WMR
04-04-2008, 03:10 AM
My guess is the Reds pitchers struggle franchise wide(Cueto,Bailey,Thompson and Smith).

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mth123
04-04-2008, 06:21 AM
Some interesting things that I see in the box scores:

Daniel Dorn played 1B at AA.
Camilo Vasquez pitched from the pen.
Sean Watson pitched in relief and gave up 3 runs in 1 inning.
Gary Majewski keeps the streak alive by giving up a run in his innng.
Kevin Gunter pitched for Dayton while earlier being shown on the Sarasota Roster.

icehole3
04-04-2008, 06:49 AM
My guess is the Reds pitchers struggle franchise wide(Cueto,Bailey,Thompson and Smith).

We need a daily prediction from you.

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camisadelgolf
04-04-2008, 07:15 AM
Some interesting things that I see in the box scores:

Camilo Vasquez pitched from the pen.

Does this mean Sarasota's rotation is this: Travis Wood, Jordan Smith, Alex Smit, Logan Ondrusek, Daniel Guerrero?

By the way, I want to go on record as saying that the Reds have the best AA bullpen in all of baseball. Carlos Fisher, Danny Ray Herrera, Derrik Lutz, Ramon Ramirez, Justin James, Josh Roenicke, Pedro Viola . . . wow.

knuckler
04-04-2008, 08:34 AM
Kevin Gunter pitched for Dayton while earlier being shown on the Sarasota Roster.

According to the Dayton Daily News, they pulled Gunter from Sarasota to Dayton at the last minute to fill in for Matt Klinker. Klinker felt a "twinge" in his shoulder and went to the DL. :(

cumberlandreds
04-04-2008, 09:56 AM
My guess is the Reds pitchers struggle franchise wide(Cueto,Bailey,Thompson and Smith).

Going with the reverse psychology thing? ;)

Kc61
04-04-2008, 10:31 AM
Watch Juan Francisco. Underrated in the top forty lists, although BA had him high. Our own list here underrated him.

Can't get all upset about bad plate discipline with a player this young. His OBP was .301 last year, but still is 20 years old, has plenty of time to get it up to, say, .325 or .330.

Meanwhile, the guy is a powerhouse at the plate and has a great throwing arm. Nice to see him start off so well yesterday.

I hear he's a lefty hitting third baseman. Only the Reds. . . .

OnBaseMachine
04-04-2008, 10:41 AM
Juan Francisco is very, very intriging. He's got potentially 40-homerun power in that bat somewhere down the road, but obviously his plate discipline is awful right now. Last season he walked only 23 times in 534 atbats at Dayton. The good news is he's still only 20 years old (turns 21 on June 24th). The way I see it, if he can increase his walk total by 7-10 walks a season over the next four years, that would put him around 50-65 walks a season which would be acceptable with the power he has.

membengal
04-04-2008, 11:38 AM
Is Francisco a potential 3b at the ML level, or is he headed to 1b?

dougdirt
04-04-2008, 12:24 PM
Is Francisco a potential 3b at the ML level, or is he headed to 1b?

He has the tools to play at 3B.

OnBaseMachine
04-04-2008, 12:30 PM
Is Francisco a potential 3b at the ML level, or is he headed to 1b?

I've never seen him play so I'm only going off scouting reports. Baseball America says he has a cannon for an arm, he also has good first-step quickness and has slightly above-average speed. He did make quite a few errors last season but many young infielders do. Baseball America's main concern is his weight. He's listed at 6'2" and 180, but judging from pictures of him he is much bigger than that. Probably more like 6'2" or 6'3" and 215 pounds. Baseball America notes his weight as the determining factor in whether he remains at third base or not - if he continues to grow then he'll be forced to move across the diamond to first base or possibly left field.

camisadelgolf
04-04-2008, 02:18 PM
I'm one of those people who "underrates" Francisco. First of all, his plate discipline isn't bad--it's horrendous. Second of all, if he were to be that extremely rare player who made a noteworthy improvement in his plate discipline, I doubt it would be enough of an improvement to compensate for how much he needs to overcome.

dougdirt
04-04-2008, 02:27 PM
I'm one of those people who "underrates" Francisco. First of all, his plate discipline isn't bad--it's horrendous. Second of all, if he were to be that extremely rare player who made a noteworthy improvement in his plate discipline, I doubt it would be enough of an improvement to compensate for how much he needs to overcome.

I don't know.... lets just say he improves enough to add 2 walks per month, something you wouldn't even notice unless you were keeping track. That is 10 walks in a minor league season or 12 over a full season in the majors.

Over 500 PA in the minors, that is worth a boost in 20 points in OBP. That small adjustment would take him from a guy with a .033 isolated discipline to a .053 guy, while still pretty rough, not something that you couldn't use in MLB if you have power.

Over 550 PA in the majors is worth about 22 points and then you are looking at an isoD of .055, which again is not the best, but something along the lines of a Brandon Phillips type player. If he can hit for some power, its certainly something you can work with.... just bat him in the right spot in the lineup.

camisadelgolf
04-04-2008, 02:39 PM
I have no doubt that Francisco is able to do it. Actually, it boggles my mind why players don't do it more often. Nonetheless, my point is that it rarely happens.

dougdirt
04-04-2008, 02:45 PM
I have no doubt that Francisco is able to do it. Actually, it boggles my mind why players don't do it more often. Nonetheless, my point is that it rarely happens.

I do agree that large gains are not made too often in that category, but smaller ones like what I suggested isn't something that would be mind blowing. I honestly wonder if Dano's take the first pitch rule might not do a guy like Francisco some good.

icehole3
04-04-2008, 04:56 PM
I've never seen him play so I'm only going off scouting reports. Baseball America says he has a cannon for an arm, he also has good first-step quickness and has slightly above-average speed. He did make quite a few errors last season but many young infielders do. Baseball America's main concern is his weight. He's listed at 6'2" and 180, but judging from pictures of him he is much bigger than that. Probably more like 6'2" or 6'3" and 215 pounds. Baseball America notes his weight as the determining factor in whether he remains at third base or not - if he continues to grow then he'll be forced to move across the diamond to first base or possibly left field.

I saw him about a half dozen times last year, he can play 3rd no problem, he's a good athlete, I think he should be in outfield with that arm and he's a big kid who I think will get much bigger.