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OnBaseMachine
04-08-2008, 05:39 PM
Hopefully this thread will be as active as it was last night.

Louisville plays at 7:00 with Homer Bailey making his second start of the season.

Chattanooga begins at 6:15 with Daryl Thompson also making his second start of the season. In his first start he tossed 6 IP of 0 ER ball.

Sarasota and Dayton both start at 7:00 with Jordan Smith and Scott Carroll pitching.

texasdave
04-08-2008, 05:43 PM
Hopefully this thread will be as active as it was last night.

Louisville plays at 7:00 with Homer Bailey making his second start of the season.

Chattanooga begins at 6:15 with Daryl Thompson also making his second start of the season. In his first start he tossed 6 IP of 0 ER ball.

Sarasota and Dayton both start at 7:00 with Jordan Smith and Scott Carroll pitching.

Homer matches up against Kei Igawa. All Igawa did in his first start was to pitch six perfect innings while striking out seven.

dougdirt
04-08-2008, 05:47 PM
Hopefully this thread will be as active as it was last night.

Louisville plays at 7:00 with Homer Bailey making his second start of the season.

Chattanooga begins at 6:15 with Daryl Thompson also making his second start of the season. In his first start he tossed 6 IP of 0 ER ball.

Sarasota and Dayton both start at 7:00 with Jordan Smith and Scott Carroll pitching.

I will be watching the Bats game on the computer (Milb.tv) and will try to give some description of Bailey's game as well as other stuff I notice while watching.

dougdirt
04-08-2008, 07:19 PM
Chattanooga Update
Daryl Thompson on the mound for the Lookouts. Gets them 1-2-3 with a strikeout and long fly out to CF.
Fastball hitting 92 MPH on the stadium gun.

dougdirt
04-08-2008, 07:28 PM
Chattanooga Update
Craig Tatum with an RBI and Lookouts lead 1-0.

dougdirt
04-08-2008, 07:35 PM
Chattanooga Update
Daryl Thompson threw 1 pitch to the first batter who popped out. 1 pitch to the second batter who singled up the middle. 1 pitch to the third batter of the inning who popped up to the second baseman. Struck out the 4th batter on 6 pitches.

Cyclone792
04-08-2008, 07:38 PM
Dorn is DH'ing and hitting 6th tonight.

He flies out to deep center in his first plate appearance and is 0-1 so far.

dougdirt
04-08-2008, 07:44 PM
Chattanooga update
Third inning
Thompson strikes out the catcher on a fastball.
Grounder to third base for out #2.
Thompson throws a 95 MPH fastball. Very impressive. Swing and a miss, strikes him out.

Great outing so far for Thompson.

SarasotaFan
04-08-2008, 07:45 PM
DD - pass out your MILB account info so we can all watch :D

dougdirt
04-08-2008, 07:50 PM
DD - pass out your MILB account info so we can all watch :D

Lol, pretty sure thats not allowed. Everyone can listen to games for free though on Milb.com. I am hoping to watch the Bats on my desktop and listen to the Lookouts on my laptop then catch Cueto on the TV in about an hour. Thats what I call 'the good life'.

dougdirt
04-08-2008, 07:51 PM
Drew Anderson just went deep to make it 2-0 Lookouts.

dougdirt
04-08-2008, 08:03 PM
Chattanooga update

Thompson with another strikeout. Tatum throws out a runner to end the inning.

dougdirt
04-08-2008, 08:04 PM
Sarasota faces Rick Porcello tonight, that should be interesting.

Cyclone792
04-08-2008, 08:07 PM
DD - pass out your MILB account info so we can all watch :D

You can listen to most games for free on MiLB. I think the bulk of Louisville and Chattanooga games are available on the radio, along with a decent portion of Sarasota and Dayton games. I tend to listen to some minor league games on evenings when I'm home and the Reds aren't playing (off day, day game, or late game).

dougdirt
04-08-2008, 08:10 PM
Jay Bruce with an RBI double against Lefty Kei Igawa

OnBaseMachine
04-08-2008, 08:10 PM
On the 6th pitch of that bat against Kei Igawa, Bruce doubles to drive in Hairston.

dougdirt
04-08-2008, 08:11 PM
You can listen to most games for free on MiLB. I think the bulk of Louisville and Chattanooga games are available on the radio, along with a decent portion of Sarasota and Dayton games. I tend to listen to some minor league games on evenings when I'm home and the Reds aren't playing (off day, day game, or late game).

Actually only about 10-15% of Sarasota games are on there. Almost all Ft Meyers Miracle games are on Sportsjuice.com, so if the Reds are ever playing them you can listen.

OnBaseMachine
04-08-2008, 08:12 PM
After a slow start Bruce has his OPS up to .800.

dougdirt
04-08-2008, 08:17 PM
Chattanooga update

Daryl Thompson gets the first batter to pop it up. Second batter flies an easy one out to CF. Base hit between SS and 3B. Strikes out the final hitter on 'a filthy breaking ball on the outside corner'.

dougdirt
04-08-2008, 08:19 PM
Louisville
Homer Bailey on the mound
1. FB strike 1. FB almost the same place, ball. Curveball high. FB for a nubber that went 30 feet for a single.
2. Ball outside. Foul ball. Another foul ball. Offspeed fouled away. Doube play.
3. FB low and outside. grounder to first. Inning over.

SarasotaFan
04-08-2008, 08:20 PM
and homer gives up another hit !!!! geez..... :D

SarasotaFan
04-08-2008, 08:22 PM
3-6-1 double play. phew.....

SarasotaFan
04-08-2008, 08:23 PM
homer
1 IP 1,2,3
1 H
0 R / 0 ER

dougdirt
04-08-2008, 08:23 PM
11 pitch inning for Bailey. 3 very weak ground balls.

dougdirt
04-08-2008, 08:24 PM
Luis Boliver is now 8 for his last 8. Wow.

OnBaseMachine
04-08-2008, 08:26 PM
Thompson: 5 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 6 K

dougdirt
04-08-2008, 08:27 PM
Chattanooga update

Thompson back out for the 6th.
First batter - FB taken for strike 1. Breaking ball taken for strike 2. Ball 1. Strikeout, but runner gets to first on the wild pitch (actually sounded like a passed ball).
Second batter - Called strike. Foul ball. Foul ball. Grounder for a double play.
Third batter - Foul. Ball outside. Foul. High, ball 2. Low for ball 3. Foul ball. Strike three swinging.

Thompson is absolutely on fire.

SarasotaFan
04-08-2008, 08:28 PM
Luis Boliver is now 8 for his last 8. Wow.best hitter ever.....

Blue
04-08-2008, 08:28 PM
Any more mention of Thompson's velocity after that 92 mph report?

Redman15
04-08-2008, 08:30 PM
Luis Boliver is now 8 for his last 8. Wow.
Is that good?

dougdirt
04-08-2008, 08:31 PM
Any more mention of Thompson's velocity after that 92 mph report?

One mention of 95. The pbp guy doesn't ever mention velocity. The color guy does.... but he doesn't get much time.

Blue
04-08-2008, 08:32 PM
One mention of 95. The pbp guy doesn't ever mention velocity. The color guy does.... but he doesn't get much time.

Thanks. That's really good to hear.

HBP
04-08-2008, 08:33 PM
Sounds like Thompson is trying to impersonate Cueto.

Thanks for the updates guys

dougdirt
04-08-2008, 08:34 PM
Thompson just finished up the 6th with another strikeout. Kid is absolutely on fire to start the year.

dougdirt
04-08-2008, 08:37 PM
Louisville 2nd
Homer Bailey pitching
1st batter - Curveball fouled off. Fastball that went about 58 feet. Fastball inside. Curveball taken for strike 2. FB popped up to 3B.
2nd batter - Fastball strike 1 taken. Fastball fouled back. Fastball lined out to third base.
3rd batter - Fastball just high. Fastball inside. FB just outside. FB low.
4th batter - Fastball for strike 1. Curveball for a single that would have been right to the second baseman had he not been covering second on the steal.
Chad Moeller - FB fouled back. Fastball swing and a miss. Curveball just misses. Strike 3 swinging on a 95 MPH fastball.

Blue
04-08-2008, 08:38 PM
Thompson just finished up the 6th with another strikeout. Kid is absolutely on fire to start the year.

Including his great Spring Training outings for the Reds!

OnBaseMachine
04-08-2008, 08:40 PM
Thompson: 6 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 8 K

Thompson has been dominant through his first two starts:

12 IP, 5 H, 0 ER, 1 BB, 13 K, 0.00 ERA

dougdirt
04-08-2008, 08:42 PM
Todd Frazier with an RBI.

Aronchis
04-08-2008, 08:42 PM
Thompson was one of those guys who had shoulder surgery, but didn't have structural damage.

OnBaseMachine
04-08-2008, 08:43 PM
Jordan Smith: 4 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 2 K

OnBaseMachine
04-08-2008, 08:44 PM
Bailey: 2 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 1 K

dougdirt
04-08-2008, 08:46 PM
Ramon Ramirez will start tomorrow for Chattanooga in a rotation change.

Carlos Fisher now pitching for Chattanooga

Aronchis
04-08-2008, 08:48 PM
Rick Porcello reminds me of a young Steve Avery. You can see why he was the highest rated HS pitcher in years. Interesting if he lasts beyond his 26th birthday.

dougdirt
04-08-2008, 08:51 PM
Jay Bruce flies out to left center.

Carlos Fisher just hit 91 MPH on the gun.

dougdirt
04-08-2008, 08:51 PM
Carlos Fisher getting hit around, its now 2-2.

Redman15
04-08-2008, 08:53 PM
Did anyone notice that Porcello is no hitting Sarasota thru 3. I thought I would throw that out there and see if I could help the Reds out.

dougdirt
04-08-2008, 08:55 PM
I did notice it, but I really like Porcello so I wasn't going to say anything.

dougdirt
04-08-2008, 08:55 PM
Louisville
Homer Bailey pitching.
1st Batter - Ball. Ball. Strike 1 FB outside corner. Bunt to Bailey, out.
2nd Batter - Fastball swung through. FB fouled off. FB swinging and a miss.
3rd Batter - Curveball swung through. 96 MPH Fastball on the outside corner, strike 2. Curveball for ball 1. Change up fouled off... but he was fooled but tapped it off. Fastball single. Janish dove and knocked it down on a great dive and stop. He is real good defensively.
4th Batter - Fastball outside corner for strike 1. Curveball low for ball 1 and a stolen base on it. That was stolen on Bailey. Curveball outside apparently, looked good to me. Fastball popped up to Hairston to end the inning.

Redman15
04-08-2008, 08:57 PM
Dayton trailing Fort Wayne 2-1 after 2.

FIRELEFT
04-08-2008, 08:59 PM
Did anyone notice that Porcello is no hitting Sarasota thru 4. I thought I would throw that out there and see if I could help the Reds out.
Did help. Sarasota 4-0

Redman15
04-08-2008, 09:04 PM
I did notice it, but I really like Porcello so I wasn't going to say anything.

All 4 runs were unearned.

OnBaseMachine
04-08-2008, 09:05 PM
Francisco doubled again...six doubles already.

SarasotaFan
04-08-2008, 09:06 PM
I guess I got my question answered from another thread thanks to the Bats' radio announcer....

Aronchis
04-08-2008, 09:07 PM
Stubbs doesn't have the bat speed to handle Porcello.

dougdirt
04-08-2008, 09:13 PM
Louisville
Bailey pitching
1st Batter - Ball. FB called strike. Curveball soft liner to 2B.
2nd Batter - FB Swinging. Outside. Swinging Strike. Swinging strike. 95 MPH FB
3rd Batter - Ball. Strike. Ball in the dirt. Ball low. Swinging Strike. Pop up to SS.

princeton
04-08-2008, 09:16 PM
Thompson was one of those guys who had shoulder surgery, but didn't have structural damage.

ah-- he had surgery just for the fun of it

dougdirt
04-08-2008, 09:20 PM
Todd Frazier with a HR

dougdirt
04-08-2008, 09:27 PM
Louisville
Homer Bailey pitching
1st Batter - Ball just low. Outside. Foul ball. Lost my stream.... crapjackers. *strikeout*

Not sure what happened, but there are 2 outs now.

Castro singles just past Andy Green. Stolen base.
4th batter - outside. Strike. Curveball taken for strike 2. Foul ball. Chopped foul. Another foul. Curve for a ball. Looked like a slider to strike out the side.

SarasotaFan
04-08-2008, 09:33 PM
Louisville
Homer Bailey pitching
1st Batter - Ball just low. Outside. Foul ball. Lost my stream.... crapjackers.

Not sure what happened, but there are 2 outs now.

Castro singles just past Andy Green.
i think that's when my audio got messed up haha. it started over at the beginning of the game. weird.

Blue
04-08-2008, 09:35 PM
Louisville
Homer Bailey pitching
1st Batter - Ball just low. Outside. Foul ball. Lost my stream.... crapjackers.

Not sure what happened, but there are 2 outs now.

Castro singles just past Andy Green.

He struck out the first two batters of the inning.

OnBaseMachine
04-08-2008, 09:37 PM
Bailey: 5 IP, 4 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 6 K

Blue
04-08-2008, 09:38 PM
I think he struck out the side that inning.

Aronchis
04-08-2008, 09:38 PM
Bailey strikes out the side meshed between a single.

Nice for the schedule makers give Bailey a bad AAA lineup to get some good prepping in.

Redman15
04-08-2008, 09:42 PM
Pinch hit double by Griffin ties the game at 5-5 B9. Headed to extra innings.

FIRELEFT
04-08-2008, 09:43 PM
Mike Griffin PH 2 RBI double to tie game in the Bottom of 9th

dougdirt
04-08-2008, 09:43 PM
Very nice for Griffin! Lets win this one guys.

dougdirt
04-08-2008, 09:47 PM
Louisville
Bailey pitching
1st batter - Strike 1. Foul ball. Foul ball tapped. Changeup fouled off. Strike 3 swinging on a high FB.
2nd Batter - Ball inside. Nice curve taken for strike. Soft groundout to short.
Bailey leaves the game for Bill Bray.

5.2ip, 4 hits, 7 strikeouts, 1 walk and no runs.

OnBaseMachine
04-08-2008, 09:50 PM
Great outing by Homer.

FIRELEFT
04-08-2008, 09:51 PM
Great outing by Homer.
Yes it was.
does anyone know what his pitch count was?

Aronchis
04-08-2008, 09:52 PM
I like it. Early in the year you want to build strength slowly for a young pitcher. 90 pitches sounds about right. Let him soak in a decent performance.

dougdirt
04-08-2008, 09:53 PM
Bailey was working 91-94 most of the game, touched 95 and 96 a few times.

dougdirt
04-08-2008, 09:54 PM
Box Score notes from Louisville

Homer Bailey - Strikes 64, Balls 26.

Matt700wlw
04-08-2008, 09:56 PM
Good to see!!

dougdirt
04-08-2008, 09:56 PM
Louisville update
Bill Bray strikes out the second batter he faces to close out the 6th inning to preserve a Bats 1-0 lead.

11larkin11
04-08-2008, 09:58 PM
Waring, well, you know what he did...

OnBaseMachine
04-08-2008, 09:59 PM
Brandon Waring 2-run HR! #3 for Waring.

FIRELEFT
04-08-2008, 09:59 PM
Jordan Smith had a nice night for Sarasota.
IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA
7.0 5 0 0 0 7 0 1.50

Aronchis
04-08-2008, 09:59 PM
Hopefully Bruce can get out of his slump soon and start taking walks.

Aronchis
04-08-2008, 10:00 PM
Jordan Smith had a nice night for Sarasota.
IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA
Smith, J 7.0 5 0 0 0 7 0 1.50

Good pitching by the starters is nice to see tonight.

OnBaseMachine
04-08-2008, 10:15 PM
Bray: 1.1 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 3 K

SarasotaFan
04-08-2008, 10:21 PM
Great outing by Homer.
I'd say good / above average. Let's not forget that just the night before Scranton only got 3 hits - so they're not exactly the hottest team right now. He threw strikes which was needed and kept the walks very low. Wish we could have seen him take that 90 / 100 pitch count into the 7th at least...

dougdirt
04-08-2008, 10:32 PM
Sarasota won 7-3. Sean Watson got the 1 out save after Logan Ondrusek allowed 3 (2 earned) in 1.2 innings behind a great start by Jordan Smith.

klw
04-08-2008, 10:32 PM
ah-- he had surgery just for the fun of it

all the other prospects were doing it

dougdirt
04-08-2008, 10:33 PM
Dayton won 5-4 on a Todd Frazier walk off HR, his second of the game.

SMcGavin
04-08-2008, 10:34 PM
Thompson: 6 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 8 K

Thompson has been dominant through his first two starts:

12 IP, 5 H, 0 ER, 1 BB, 13 K, 0.00 ERA


Bray threw well tonight as well... I love "the trade".

SMcGavin
04-08-2008, 10:35 PM
Dayton won 5-4 on a Todd Frazier walk off HR, his second of the game.

Dayton is child's play for Frazier, he needs to be out of there by the end of the month.

OnBaseMachine
04-08-2008, 10:36 PM
Frazier is the man!

11larkin11
04-08-2008, 10:46 PM
Bring Waring and Frazier up July 13th. I am going to the game the 12th :)

dougdirt
04-08-2008, 10:47 PM
Louisville wins 1-0.

dougdirt
04-08-2008, 10:48 PM
Chattanooga lost in extra innings.

Pedro Viola is having a rough start to the season.

MikeS21
04-08-2008, 11:27 PM
I must give kudos to Homer Bailey. He's looked good in his two starts thus far.

Benihana
04-08-2008, 11:43 PM
Wow, between Cueto, Bailey, Thompson, Burton, Bray, Frazier, and Waring- WHAT A NIGHT!!!

I haven't been this excited about the Reds in a long, long time.

Benihana
04-08-2008, 11:44 PM
oops

Prf15
04-08-2008, 11:44 PM
You are so excited you double posted.

Superdude
04-09-2008, 01:04 AM
Hitchy swing or not, Frazier's plate approach is top notch. I think he now has more walks than strikeouts since last year. Move this guy up.

Nice outing for Jordan Smith also. I like him as a sleeper arm this year.

OnBaseMachine
04-09-2008, 02:22 AM
Frazier ends two-homer night with walk-off shot
Shortstop said he 'was just trying to get on base' when he ripped an 0-and-2 pitch into the Dragons Lair in left field for the win.

By Marc Katz

Staff Writer

Wednesday, April 09, 2008

DAYTON — Strike 1 whistled across the outside corner, and Dayton Dragons shortstop Todd Frazier watched it go by as the second batter of the ninth inning.

Strike 2 was a changeup, and Frazier barely twitched.

Jeremy McBryde's third pitch never had a chance. Frazier hit his second homer of the evening and third of the early season into the left field Dragons Lair, giving the Dragons a 5-4 victory over Fort Wayne on Tuesday night, April 8, in front of 7,785 fans at Fifth Third Field.

"I was just trying to get on base, maybe start a rally for Brandon (Waring)," said Frazier, who raised his batting average to .412. "I was looking for a fastball, and I got it."

Dragons manager Donnie Scott is not surprised.

"He's a player, no question about that," Scott said. "He's got the confidence to hit with two strikes. He's as good a hitter as we've had here. He doesn't have a lot of holes."

Frazier did find a hole in the field, allowing a grounder to skip under his glove for an error leading to an unearned run in the fourth as Fort Wayne built a 4-1 lead. Waring's two-run homer (his third) in the seventh tied the game, and left fielder Brandon Menchaca threw out the potential go-ahead run at the plate to end the eighth.

What Frazier did will be remembered most.

"You're going to have guys make errors," Scott said. "But he's a leader. He doesn't put his head down. He's got composure, everything to play up there (in the majors)."

Dragons tales

Director of player development Terry Reynolds was in attendance for the second straight night. He'll wait until Thursday, when pitcher Matt Klinker comes off the disabled list (shoulder) to decide on a roster move. Klinker tweaked his shoulder the day before the season began, but was cleared to play Tuesday. Also cleared was lefty Andrew Bowman, who exited Sunday's game early when he felt a twinge in his elbow.

The Dragons made a little more contact Tuesday, striking out just five times, falling short of double figures for the first time in six games.

http://www.daytondailynews.com/s/content/oh/story/sports/pro/dragons/2008/04/09/ddn040908spdragons.html

Kc61
04-09-2008, 03:31 AM
Hitchy swing or not, Frazier's plate approach is top notch. I think he now has more walks than strikeouts since last year. Move this guy up.

Nice outing for Jordan Smith also. I like him as a sleeper arm this year.

Jordan Smith will prove wrong all the experts who left him out of the Reds top 30 or 40 or whatever prospects list.

He doesn't walk guys, he has ground ball tendencies, and is young enough to get his K total a bit higher. He fanned 7 tonight. If he does increase his K rate, with his other attributes, Smith will be a top 20 Reds prospect.

Kc61
04-09-2008, 03:32 AM
Chattanooga lost in extra innings.

Pedro Viola is having a rough start to the season.

Roenicke gave up a run as well.

With Salmon and Cout gone from the Reds, there will be opportunities. Bray is stepping up at AAA and is first in line. McBeth, Pelland, Viola, Roenicke, all need to pitch well to get their shot.

lollipopcurve
04-09-2008, 09:52 AM
Juan Francisco has 3 doubles off Francisco Liriano and 1 off Rick Porcello. Nice to see he is not being overmatched by guys with excellent stuff.

Edd Roush
04-09-2008, 10:16 AM
Dayton is child's play for Frazier, he needs to be out of there by the end of the month.


I went to the game last night and I tend to agree. Unfortunatley, I also agree with the consensus that he needs to be moved off of short. He just isn't fluid or athletic enough to play short in the bigs. He let an easy ball roll under his glove for an error and just wasn't quick enough to turn a couple of double plays. Fortunately, he can hit just about anything and his bat looks AA ready right now. Frazier and Waring are definately the class of the team.


Every other batter on the Dragons was miles and miles behind Waring and Frazier. My friends who aren't as enthusiastic about the Reds or baseball in general, definately also took note that the shortstop and third baseman were the best two hitters in the game by far.

Another note, Valiquette looked really good. Much better than Carroll. I'll also make sure to take note that Fifth Third Field was a great place to take in a game, although some of the mid-inning competitions were even more hoaky than Reds Make a Deal lol.

OesterPoster
04-09-2008, 10:46 AM
I'll also make sure to take note that Fifth Third Field was a great place to take in a game, although some of the mid-inning competitions were even more hoaky than Reds Make a Deal lol.

That's what minor league baseball is about. Entertaining kids and families.

princeton
04-09-2008, 11:48 AM
I went to the game last night and I tend to agree. Unfortunatley, I also agree with the consensus that he needs to be moved off of short. He just isn't fluid or athletic enough to play short in the bigs. He let an easy ball roll under his glove for an error and just wasn't quick enough to turn a couple of double plays. Fortunately, he can hit just about anything and his bat looks AA ready right now.

his bat will be major-league ready so much earlier than his glove that I'm very surprised that the position switch wasn't made this spring. Reds are showing some indecision here-- probably because of so many third basemen.




Another note, Valiquette looked really good.

lefties that throw that hard are rare. But he'll need something else.

lollipopcurve
04-09-2008, 12:04 PM
his bat will be major-league ready so much earlier than his glove that I'm very surprised that the position switch wasn't made this spring. Reds are showing some indecision here-- probably because of so many third basemen.

I tend to agree here -- though the prospect of having a great bat at SS is very, very enticing -- if he's Keppingerian with the glove, or can develop to that point, it's probably worth it

Or, if he's a no-go at SS, I'd consider Frazier at 1B -- he'd probably be a plus with the glove over there, and his bat could merit the position. Leave 3B to the remaining logjam.

Benihana
04-09-2008, 12:13 PM
I think Frazier may be in LF if Dunn isn't re-signed. He seems like he may be better out there than Votto.

If Keppinger remains the starting SS, Rosales can be the backup corner infield guy, at least until Francisco and/or Waring are ready.

Edd Roush
04-09-2008, 01:28 PM
I think Frazier may be in LF if Dunn isn't re-signed. He seems like he may be better out there than Votto.

If Keppinger remains the starting SS, Rosales can be the backup corner infield guy, at least until Francisco and/or Waring are ready.

While Frazier is certainly very good and producing well at the plate, I still think he is at least a year and a half away from the bigs. He just hasn't faced enough high level pitching to be considered for a key role on the 2009 Reds. That being said, I would like to see Frazier moved to left field to get used to it, because I see little probability of him being an infielder in the bigs. I see Waring as the best defender of the three of him, Frazier and Francisco and I think the Reds should start preparing them as such. I'm sure all three won't stick, but there is no reason to have three top third baseman prospects and no promising prospects at the corner outfield spots.

Edd Roush
04-09-2008, 01:31 PM
his bat will be major-league ready so much earlier than his glove that I'm very surprised that the position switch wasn't made this spring. Reds are showing some indecision here-- probably because of so many third basemen.


I agree 100%. As I said in my post to Benihana, the Reds need to move Frazier at least to third, if not all the way out into the outfield. I think it's a given that he won't see PT at short in the bigs, and I think he may end up making a name for himself as an outfielder. His first shot was an absolute rocket, this man can hit and I see no reason to hold him back to hone his fielding if he isn't going to be playing that position in the bigs.

OnBaseMachine
04-09-2008, 01:53 PM
Sounds like Chattanooga played less than stellar defense last night behind Fisher:

Carlos Fisher gave up three runs in the seventh (two earned) but the defense behind him did not play well. Thomas Collaro’s deep fly to center, ruled a hit, appeared catchable. After Javier Castillo doubled, Victor Mercedes hit a fly ball that was dropped by left fielder Cody Strait after he bumped into center fielder Shaum Cumberland. Castillo scored on the play.

Chattanooga tied the game in the bottom on the eighth thanks to Tatum’s single to center.

http://www.chattanoogan.com/articles/article_125489.asp

Benihana
04-09-2008, 03:38 PM
While Frazier is certainly very good and producing well at the plate, I still think he is at least a year and a half away from the bigs. He just hasn't faced enough high level pitching to be considered for a key role on the 2009 Reds. That being said, I would like to see Frazier moved to left field to get used to it, because I see little probability of him being an infielder in the bigs. I see Waring as the best defender of the three of him, Frazier and Francisco and I think the Reds should start preparing them as such. I'm sure all three won't stick, but there is no reason to have three top third baseman prospects and no promising prospects at the corner outfield spots.


I didn't mean that Frazier would be playing LF in Cincinnati next year at all. I meant they could move him out there in the minors (probably Chattanooga) if (or when) they decide that Dunn won't be with the team for the long term. Personally, I'd prefer they re-sign Dunn at this point and try Frazier somewhere else.

I also could see Waring sticking at 3B, although I'd leave Francisco there for the time being as well. Chances are they both won't be able to progress to the point that they'll both be starters at the big league level. However if one was to move, I could see Francisco in RF particularly with his cannon arm. I still think Francisco needs to spend some significant time in Sarasota working on his plate discipline. If Waring continues to dominate at Dayton, I would bump him up to Chattanooga at the Break.

lollipopcurve
04-09-2008, 03:49 PM
If Waring continues to dominate at Dayton, I would bump him up to Chattanooga at the Break.

Disagree. The guy has shown some high K:BB ratios -- go one step at a time. Frazier, on the other hand, would be a reasonable candidate for skipping a level (though we've never seen that happen midseason with this FO).

Benihana
04-09-2008, 03:59 PM
Disagree. The guy has shown some high K:BB ratios -- go one step at a time. Frazier, on the other hand, would be a reasonable candidate for skipping a level (though we've never seen that happen midseason with this FO).

I'm just trying to figure out a way out of the logjam they would have at 3B in Sarasota. I chose Waring over Francisco because of his age and maturity level. Ideally, Francisco could earn a midseason promotion to Chattanooga and Waring would slide right in at Sarasota. However I'm concerned that Juan has a ways to go before he earns that right.

lollipopcurve
04-09-2008, 04:16 PM
I'm just trying to figure out a way out of the logjam they would have at 3B in Sarasota. I chose Waring over Francisco because of his age and maturity level. Ideally, Francisco could earn a midseason promotion to Chattanooga and Waring would slide right in at Sarasota. However I'm concerned that Juan has a ways to go before he earns that right.

There's no rush. These are A-ball guys who have to show they can hit over a period of time at a level they've never seen before -- it's too soon to be projecting them as major leaguers. As long as each of them is going to be getting 400-500 ABs they're on the proper developmental plan, in my opinion. They're players who will go as far as their bats take them.

Grande Donkey
04-09-2008, 08:28 PM
Talked to one of the Lookouts broadcasters today and he said that Thompson was just as impressive as his line implied. He said he had great stuff and was sitting around 92-95 and he let loose a 97 MPHer to K a hitter when he was in a 3-2 jam.

Superdude
04-09-2008, 09:19 PM
He said he had great stuff and was sitting around 92-95 and he let loose a 97 MPHer to K a hitter when he was in a 3-2 jam.

I guess his arm is back then? :cool: If he keeps throwing like this, "the trade" is actually looking okay at this point.

RDriesenUD
04-10-2008, 05:30 PM
Great outing by Homer.

not that it wasn't good. it was. but its not great. he needs to learn how to get through more than 5.2 ip on 90 pitches.

Aronchis
04-10-2008, 05:32 PM
not that it wasn't good. it was. but its not great. he needs to learn how to get through more than 5.2 ip on 90 pitches.

I disagree. This is about your average. 6I's in 90-100 pitches is typical. It is why alot of managers in the majors try to stretch pitcher out 120+ pitches for 7-8I's.

RDriesenUD
04-10-2008, 05:38 PM
i couldnt disagree more. and i will just leave it at that. we clearly dont agree. no need to drag this out.

SarasotaFan
04-10-2008, 05:42 PM
i'll drag it out more. it's about your average when you're giving up hits and runs and walks. but when there's only about 5 total hits in the game and a few runners reach 3rd base, 2nd at that, then 90 pitches shouldn't run you 5.2 innings.

dougdirt
04-10-2008, 05:45 PM
i couldnt disagree more. and i will just leave it at that. we clearly dont agree. no need to drag this out.

Well, Bailey has thrown 173 pitches this season in AAA that accounted for 12.2 innings. Thats an average of 13.65 pitches per inning. That is actually a very low number of pitches. While 90 over 5.2 isn't the best, its not horrible. Go look at the major league leaders in pitches per inning, I think you may be surprised.