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Benihana
04-09-2008, 01:21 PM
This trade makes sense now more than ever, with the Rangers committed to Laird and Salty, and the emergence of Cueto and Volquez for the Reds.

The Rangers have said that they are not going to trade Laird. Yet they paid a hefty price for Jarrod Saltalamacchia just a few months ago, who is now drudging away in Triple A. Teagarden is blocked in the worst kind of way.

While I would like to hang onto Belisle, especially until Bailey or Maloney is ready to take over the fifth spot in the rotation, the Rangers are desperate for pitching, and now. The Reds meanwhile need a long term answer at catcher. I like what Bako has done so far, but realistically we still don't have a long-term answer at the position.

The Reds and Rangers already hooked up once this year on what looks to be a complete win-win for both sides, why not make it twice?

Falls City Beer
04-09-2008, 01:26 PM
Bailey and Hatteberg for Kemp.

flyer85
04-09-2008, 01:26 PM
I doubt Texas sees it that way.

Benihana
04-09-2008, 01:28 PM
Bailey and Hatteberg for Kemp.

And let Dunn go? No thanks.

RedsManRick
04-09-2008, 01:28 PM
Teagarden as a target kind of makes sense. Let's remember that this is a 24 year old with only 29 games above A ball. He also has a history of elbow problems. While he might be blocked in any case, that doesn't make him major league ready.

In any case, I seriously doubt Texas takes Belisle for him straight up. You offer Belisle and they counter with Bailey. Coutlangus would have been nice trade bait in addition to Belisle, as I imagine McBeth might be now.

Falls City Beer
04-09-2008, 01:31 PM
And let Dunn go? No thanks.

Try Kemp at 1st.

flyer85
04-09-2008, 01:31 PM
I'd rather have a go at Clement than Teagarden.

Benihana
04-09-2008, 01:32 PM
Teagarden as a target kind of makes sense. Let's remember that this is a 24 year old with only 29 games above A ball. He also has a history of elbow problems. While he might be blocked in any case, that doesn't make him major league ready.

In any case, I seriously doubt Texas takes Belisle for him straight up. You offer Belisle and they counter with Bailey. Coutlangus would have been nice trade bait in addition to Belisle, as I imagine McBeth might be now.

I would do Belisle and McBeth, Coffey, Lincoln, Fisher, Watson, or any other right-handed reliever in the system not named Roenicke. Obviously Burton and Cordero would be off-limits as well, but anyone else- fair game.

Benihana
04-09-2008, 01:32 PM
Try Kemp at 1st.

and Votto?

OnBaseMachine
04-09-2008, 01:36 PM
Bailey and Hatteberg for Kemp.

I would love to have Matt Kemp. With Andre Ethier, Andruw Jones, and Juan Pierre starting over Kemp, he might just be available. I'd hate to lose Homer but Matt Kemp is the type of player I'd deal Bailey for. He would fill the need of a big RH power bat.

Benihana
04-09-2008, 01:42 PM
I would love to have Matt Kemp. With Andre Ethier, Andruw Jones, and Juan Pierre starting over Kemp, he might just be available. I'd hate to lose Homer but Matt Kemp is the type of player I'd deal Bailey for. He would fill the need of a big RH power bat.

I just don't understand where he would play, unless you're talking about getting rid of Dunn or Votto. The Reds brass, for better or worse, sees Bruce as a future RF, not a CF (just like they like BP at 2B instead of SS.) That would leave LF or 1B for Kemp, and that just doesn't jive with me. Unless you move Votto for a pitching equivalent (like a Bailey), I just don't understand where Kemp fits.

As far as moving Dunn, I'm against it. I don't think Kemp has proven enough yet to justify getting rid of a proven talent like Dunn.

flyer85
04-09-2008, 01:45 PM
I don't think LA would trade Kemp. Jones is on a short term deal and it's obvious they don't think much of Pierre.

If the Reds got him you put him in CF.

lollipopcurve
04-09-2008, 01:49 PM
I'd rather have a go at Clement than Teagarden.

Reputation wise, Teagarden is the much better defender. That's the direction I'd lean -- good defense, solid offense.

Joseph
04-09-2008, 01:49 PM
I'd put Kemp in CF and live with it for that bat.

flyer85
04-09-2008, 01:51 PM
Reputation wise, Teagarden is the much better defender. That's the direction I'd lean -- good defense, solid offense.with the offense and the elbow still a bit of a question combined with the fact that he isn't ready yet ... I'd go with Clement. The Reds need catching help right now, not a year or two from now.

Falls City Beer
04-09-2008, 01:52 PM
and Votto?

I don't know? As others have said--put Kemp in CF.

REDREAD
04-09-2008, 01:54 PM
Bailey and Hatteberg for Kemp.

Yes, I would do that in a heartbeat. Great idea.
I like the idea of trying to get Kemp since LA isn't playing him fulltime.

Classic "bird in hand" (Kemp) for one in bush (Bailey).

RedsManRick
04-09-2008, 01:57 PM
Kemp in RF as Junior's replacement would be amazing. He's got enough range to pair with Bruce in CF and God knows we use a righty bat. Just thinking about the possibility makes me happy.

flyer85
04-09-2008, 01:58 PM
BTW, PECOTA never has Teagarden getting a VORP over 9 in the next 6 years(falling to 2.8 and 1.7 in 2013-14) while it has Clement above 20 for all of them(21.5 in 2014).

RedsManRick
04-09-2008, 02:03 PM
BTW, PECOTA never has Teagarden getting a VORP over 9 in the next 6 years(falling to 2.8 and 1.7 in 2013-14) while it has Clement above 20 for all of them(21.5 in 2014).

I've seen suggestions that the Mariners would prefer to trade Johjima. Given that, here's some fun:

Trade 1: Griffey for Johjima
Trade 2: Bailey and change for Kemp

THAT would make happy.

Highlifeman21
04-09-2008, 02:08 PM
Bailey and Hatteberg for Kemp.

I love the basis of Bailey for Kemp, but with LA having Loney, what use would they have for Hatteberg?

Falls City Beer
04-09-2008, 02:11 PM
I love the basis of Bailey for Kemp, but with LA having Loney, what use would they have for Hatteberg?

I don't know. I'm guessing Torre wouldn't mind having a professional hitter for the bench.

Highlifeman21
04-09-2008, 04:49 PM
I don't know. I'm guessing Torre wouldn't mind having a professional hitter for the bench.

He has that right now in Kemp, who he's sitting in favor of Pierre.

WebScorpion
04-09-2008, 04:54 PM
Anybody know why Votto was moved from behind the plate? wasn't he a catcher when we drafted him? Was it just to get his bat to the Majors quicker? If he could catch, we'd still have Hatte at first... Then again, he'd still be catching in AA polishing his blocking, throwing, and game calling skills. Just a thought.

Patrick Bateman
04-09-2008, 04:58 PM
Votto was never a serious catching prospect... just not good enough defensively. If he was any good the Reds would have tried to keep him there and give him as many chances as possible.

KronoRed
04-09-2008, 05:06 PM
Votto made 7 appearances at C and 19 at 3B way back in 2002.

http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/V/Joey-Votto.shtml

I belive they call that Ugly ;)

deltachi8
04-09-2008, 05:17 PM
I've seen suggestions that the Mariners would prefer to trade Johjima. Given that, here's some fun:

Trade 1: Griffey for Johjima


I saw a writer somewhere (SI or USA Today perhaps?) suggest that very trade.