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Joseph
04-14-2008, 09:24 AM
This is from our good friend C. Trents blog over on 1530 & Lotd

Lookouts' Thompson rolling
Monday, April 14, 2008, 07:59 AM EST [Reds]


CHATTANOOGA, Tenn. -- The first thing Daryl Thompson wants you to know is that although the scoreboard radar gun showed 97 miles per hour on a pitch of his last week at AT&T Field in Chattanooga, he doesn’t throw that hard.

“The gun’s wrong -- make sure you put that in,” Thompson said. “I’m definitely not throwing 97, maybe 92, maybe 93, but not 97. I think the gun has something extra on it. It’s good for the crowd though.”

Whatever speed Thompson is throwing, it’s working. In two starts for Class AA Chattanooga, the 22-year old right-hander is 1-0 in two starts and has yet to give up an earned run. He’s struck out 13 in 12 innings and walked just one.

“The key so far for Daryl, like any young pitcher, is getting his offspeed over the plate for strikes,” said Chattanooga pitching coach Chris Bosio, who pitched 11 years in the big leagues with Milwaukee and Seattle. “With his fastball command, and now getting his offspeed over in any count, is the recipe for success for any pitcher. Daryl’s taken the No. 1 slot here and run with it.”

Thompson, who was acquired from the Washington Nationals in the 2006 blockbuster that brought Bill Bray and Gary Majewski to Cincinnati in exchange for Felipe Lopez and Austin Kearns, was 14-5 with Class A Dayton and Sarasota last season, finishing with a 3.18 ERA. He led all Reds minor leaguers in victories, was second in ERA and fifth in strikeouts (121).

Despite his success coming into the 2008 season – and the fact he was put on the 40-man roster in November – Thompson said he didn’t feel like he could reach the major leagues until this spring, when he was able to suit up with the big league team for two exhibition appearances.

“I’m a confident dude, but I’m not cocky,” said Thompson, who was drafted in the eighth round of the 2003 draft by the Nationals out of high school in Maryland. “You watch ESPN and all you see is the good stuff, home runs and the pitchers who do get guys out, their stuff is unbelievable. I didn’t think I had that stuff. But I went to big league camp and I wasn’t pitching to any of the really big name guys, but I didn’t give up a hit or a walk and I was pretty satisfied with the way I did. I feel like I can go out there and hold my own.”

Thompson did more than hold his own in spring, appearing in two big league games, striking out four batters in 2 1/3 innings.

Not only did Thompson pitch well in a Reds uniform in the spring, he used his time to watch the way the pitchers on the Reds roster went about his business. And any time he got a chance to watch Aaron Harang, even if it was just in a bullpen throwing session, Thompson took special notice.

“He doesn’t throw mid-90s or anything,” Thompson said. “But everything he throws is for a strike.” Harang has often talked about how he thinks the most important pitch to a batter is strike one, and it’s the same philosophy Thompson has embraced.

“Every time I go out there, I try to get that first pitch strike,” Thompson said. “I try to keep them off balance and trick them. It all depends on the team. I either go right at them or pitch backwards.”

Bosio said he noticed how much being in big league camp helped Thompson, and that Thompson had the right personality, approach and maturity to appreciate and learn from his time around the big leaguers.

“He went about his business in spring training. I think that helped him by watching. He’s been able to apply a lot of that to become a more polished pitcher,” Bosio said. “Being in big league camp helped him immensely. He’s a very quiet young man. The other night Matt Belisle came down here, went about his work, I think he had 1 first pitch strikes, his velocity varied between 88-92, so he’s very aggressive with his four-seamer and his sinker. We talked about it as a staff, there’s a lot to learn from watching with your eyes. Daryl’s had that luxury of putting on the big league uniform and the feeling of belonging.”

So far in his two starts in Class AA, Thompson hasn’t looked like he’s belonged there, because the batters haven’t been able to do anything with him. In the Lookouts’ opener, he went six innings against Tampa Bay’s Montgomery affiliate, allowing three hits, an unearned run and five strikeouts without a walk. Then last week against Birmingham (White Sox), Thompson went six innings with two hits, no runs, eight strikeouts and one walk.

“I put the past games behind me and try to do better. The first couple of games, I made some bad pitches where the guys didn’t make me pay like they should have,” Thompson said. “My last game (against Birmingham), I got away with a lot. I really wasn’t satisfied with the way I threw. I was effectively wild. I was throwing balls up here, and that’s not me. I feel like I can pound the strike zone more. I only have one walk, but I’ve gone 0-2 and ended up going 2-2, I just want to put them away and I hate to waste pitches.”

Thompson pitched last season in Sarasota with current Reds starter Johnny Cueto, and that humbled him a bit.

“His stuff is like a video game, it’s just like a video game,” Thompson said of Cueto. “When I first came to Sarasota last year, it seemed like he got bored. He’d give up two or three hits in the first couple of innings and then he’d blow 97, 98 to show them they couldn’t really hit him. It was crazy to see him throw. My stuff isn’t any close.”

Now, watching SportsCenter and the like, Thompson can see that not too many people have stuff close to Cueto, and he doesn’t have to overpower batters to get them out. Instead, he can continue to pitch like he has been and be successful.

“Knowing you belong is huge for success of any player,” Bosio said. “These guys don’t realize how close they are. There are five starters ahead of them in AAA and at any point they could call on you, it all depends on what they’re looking for. If they’re looking for a right-handed curveball, slider guy, Daryl’s the guy. He works fast. He’s got the temperament that he doesn’t get too high and doesn’t get too low. I call him bulletproof, and I think he is.”

Thompson, though, said he doesn’t think about any of that. He tires not to pay attention to the outside and what’s being said. He didn’t even know that Reds general manager Wayne Krivsky had gotten roundly criticized for the trade that brought him to the Reds system, or that Krivsky has routinely said Thompson was one of the key components to the deal.

“I had no idea, when I got traded, I just knew the Nationals didn’t want me anymore, but at least someone did. I’m just happy to have a uniform on,” Thompson said. “To be honest with you, I’ve never had an idea about that stuff. I don’t pay attention to it, I just come out here and pound the zone and throw strikes.”

princeton
04-14-2008, 09:41 AM
“The gun’s wrong -- make sure you put that in,” Thompson said. “I’m definitely not throwing 97, maybe 92, maybe 93, but not 97.”




shucks.

Joseph
04-14-2008, 09:49 AM
Harangs done pretty well at 93. I'll take it as long as he knows how to pitch.

RedlegJake
04-14-2008, 10:15 AM
Harangs done pretty well at 93. I'll take it as long as he knows how to pitch.

Yep. If you can throw 92 with movement and have decent a change and some kind of breaking ball just pound the zone, stay ahead and more often than not, you win. Over simplified but basically true. Thompson is climbing the charts, that's for sure.

Spring~Fields
04-15-2008, 04:43 PM
Great read and report. I am looking forward to his season progressing.

Matt700wlw
04-15-2008, 06:07 PM
So, if he pans out, does that put the Reds ahead in The Trade?

RedEye
04-15-2008, 07:30 PM
“The gun’s wrong -- make sure you put that in,” Thompson said. “I’m definitely not throwing 97, maybe 92, maybe 93, but not 97. I think the gun has something extra on it. It’s good for the crowd though.”

Daryl! Shhh! You're destroying your trade value!

dougdirt
04-15-2008, 07:32 PM
Daryl! Shhh! You're destroying your trade value!

Forget trade value.... we might need him soon.

Joseph
04-16-2008, 09:33 AM
So, if he pans out, does that put the Reds ahead in The Trade?

Yes. He'd qualify as the only quality part of the trade if he pans out.

OnBaseMachine
04-16-2008, 11:09 AM
Yes. He'd qualify as the only quality part of the trade if he pans out.

I don't know, I still like Bill Bray. I think he's got a chance to be a very good reliever who can get both lefties and righties out.

medford
04-16-2008, 11:12 AM
So, if he pans out, does that put the Reds ahead in The Trade?

Lets just say if at this time next year, if Bray has remained healthy for one full year and is turning into a dominate 8th inning setup man for Coco, while Thompson is making a claim to make the starting 5 out of Louisville, Redszone will be one interesting place.

There are those that will always claim the Reds should have got more, and no matter what happens it will always be a bad trade. You have those that claim that neither Kearns nor Lopez have done squat in Washington and the trade is basically a wash. Then there are those that claim having Majewski on the roster the last season + automatically makes this a losing trade. Now the Reds are potentially enterring a phase where they'll have the 2 most valuable assests involved in "The Trade", good young solid pitching while Washington could be stuck with 2 high priced veterans that have done little during their tenure with the Nats.

As much as I'd love this final scenerio to come true for the Reds (at least on the pitching front, it wouldn't bother me to see both Kearns & Lopez rebound and put up solid numbers again, nothing against either personally), I also fear what this scenerio could do to Redszone. There will always be those that said the trade was the death of this franchise under Krivsky and the man will never be forgiven no matter how it works out.

Screwball
04-16-2008, 12:03 PM
I'm surprised this hasn't been mentioned yet...



Lookouts Daryl Thompson Named Southern League Pitcher Of The Week
posted April 15, 2008


Daryl Thompson proved up to the challenge in his first two Double-A starts, allowing just five hits and striking out 13 batters in 12 innings.

On the night the Montgomery Biscuits received their 2007 championship rings, Thompson gave the Lookouts something to celebrate, too. He allowed just an unearned run and three hits and struck out five Biscuits
in a 4-1 win on April 3. It was his sixth consecutive win dating to last season.

Thompson was even more dominant in Chattanooga’s home opener five days later. The 22-year-old native of La Plata, MD allowed just two hits and struck out eight batters in six scoreless innings of an eventual 6-5 loss to Birmingham.

Acquired in the eight-player trade that sent former Lookout Austin Kearns to the Washington Nationals in 2006, Thompson led the Cincinnati Reds organization with 14 wins in 2007.


http://www.chattanoogan.com/articles/article_125918.asp

Joseph
04-16-2008, 12:14 PM
Good points on Bray, I like him too, I just know a lot of people view him pretty negatively too.

Benihana
04-16-2008, 03:45 PM
I don't know, I still like Bill Bray. I think he's got a chance to be a very good reliever who can get both lefties and righties out.

Yep, and the funniest part is people are trying to write him off when he's a year younger than Josh Roenicke and Carlos Fisher!

OnBaseMachine
04-16-2008, 04:01 PM
Thompson's 2008 stats:

17.2 IP, 10 H, 1 R, 1 BB, 20 K, 0.51 ERA

Benihana
04-16-2008, 04:08 PM
Thompson's 2008 stats:

17.2 IP, 10 H, 1 R, 1 BB, 20 K, 0.51 ERA

And quickly becoming the best young pitching prospect in the organization after Homer Bailey.

Right now it's close between Thompson, Maloney, Roenicke and Wood. But Thompson is rising, and fast.

BRM
04-16-2008, 04:08 PM
Thompson's 2008 stats:

17.2 IP, 10 H, 1 R, 1 BB, 20 K, 0.51 ERA

Bolded numbers lead the Southern League.

LouisvilleCARDS
04-16-2008, 04:45 PM
I like this guy's attitude. He was asked about what he thought of the trade, and didn't know al lthe buzz about it, and just goes out and throws strikes. Forget the trade, its done and over with - this guy might be a legitimate pitcher on the major league level.

SMcGavin
04-16-2008, 10:02 PM
I don't know, I still like Bill Bray. I think he's got a chance to be a very good reliever who can get both lefties and righties out.

Not just a chance, Bill Bray already is that. In 42 innings with the Reds, at ages 23 and 24, Bray has 37 K and 14 BB. The issue is only his health, when he is healthy (and he is now) there's no reason for him not to be in Cinci right now.

RedlegJake
04-18-2008, 02:55 PM
Not just a chance, Bill Bray already is that. In 42 innings with the Reds, at ages 23 and 24, Bray has 37 K and 14 BB. The issue is only his health, when he is healthy (and he is now) there's no reason for him not to be in Cinci right now.

Agreed. If Bray stays healthy and Thompson continues to progres "the trade" may turn out to be a steal that just took a heckuva long time to develop.

fearofpopvol1
04-21-2008, 01:14 AM
Bray's numbers thus far look pretty great in Louisville. I've gotta believe that he'll be taking Todd Coffey's place before this month is over.

Anyway, back to Thompson. I'll admit, up until this year, I really paid no attention or wasn't familiar. This kid definitely has something though. I'd have to think if he continues on the pace he is now that he'll be in Louisville midseason.

Has anyone here actually seen him pitch?

reds44
04-21-2008, 01:29 AM
“The gun’s wrong -- make sure you put that in,” Thompson said. “I’m definitely not throwing 97, maybe 92, maybe 93, but not 97. I think the gun has something extra on it. It’s good for the crowd though.”

:lol:

That's such an amazing quote.

mlbfan30
04-21-2008, 01:40 AM
And quickly becoming the best young pitching prospect in the organization after Homer Bailey.

Right now it's close between Thompson, Maloney, Roenicke and Wood. But Thompson is rising, and fast.

I'd put Lotzkar right up there with his great potential. I really think a Bailey like ascension through the system is possible

Benihana
04-21-2008, 09:39 AM
I'd put Lotzkar right up there with his great potential. I really think a Bailey like ascension through the system is possible

I don't like putting guys up there that have yet to pitch above rookie ball, it's just way too early IMO. I do like Lotzkar quite a bit, and would like to see a Homer or Cueto-like ascent through the system, but let's let him impress in Dayton first.

As far as Thompson goes, I think he has just taken over the title of best pitching prospect in the system- after Homer Bailey gets promoted of course.

OnBaseMachine
04-21-2008, 11:14 AM
Thompson's updated 2008 stats:

23.2 IP, 16 H, 1 HR, 1 BB, 25 K, 0.76 ERA

BRM
04-21-2008, 11:21 AM
Thompson's updated 2008 stats:

23.2 IP, 16 H, 1 HR, 1 BB, 25 K, 0.76 ERA

What a great start for Thompson. Very encouraging.

DTCromer
04-21-2008, 12:53 PM
Agreed. If Bray stays healthy and Thompson continues to progres "the trade" may turn out to be a steal that just took a heckuva long time to develop.

I'm hoping it does so all the buffoons who said it was awful in the first place will eat crow. Just getting rid of Kearns and Lopez was good. Anything yielded in return is all gravy.

TRF
04-21-2008, 01:09 PM
Lopez is starting to put together a good season. Kearns seems lost, though he homered yesterday.

PuffyPig
04-21-2008, 03:11 PM
Lopez is starting to put together a good season. Kearns seems lost, though he homered yesterday.

Lopez is a .612 OPS playing leftfielder making $4.9M.

I don't consider that very good.

It's actually even worse than very bad.

TRF
04-21-2008, 03:54 PM
Lopez is a .612 OPS playing leftfielder making $4.9M.

I don't consider that very good.

It's actually even worse than very bad.

baby steps. He's had a very nice week. .467 OBP, .462 SLG. with a SB. He's starting to get more PT, and I believe he's getting a start at 2B tonight. He's a good base stealer, and he's a guy that historically finds 1B. Plus he's coming off a crappy year and has something to prove.

I think he's moving in the right direction.

Kearns on the other hand... wow.

PuffyPig
04-21-2008, 04:11 PM
baby steps. He's had a very nice week. .467 OBP, .462 SLG. with a SB. He's starting to get more PT, and I believe he's getting a start at 2B tonight. He's a good base stealer, and he's a guy that historically finds 1B. Plus he's coming off a crappy year and has something to prove.

I think he's moving in the right direction.



Agreed, he had a good 13 AB's, but that's quite the small sample size. For the year he stinks beyond description. You indicated he's starting to put together a nice season, not a nice week.


The Nationals would gladly give him to anyone who took on his salary.

TRF
04-21-2008, 07:17 PM
And he is starting to. Just like Dunn is and EE. Last week, both had Sub .700 OPS, Dunn's was sub .600.

Aronchis
04-22-2008, 03:42 AM
Thompson has emerged this season as the Reds top pitching prospect. Who would have thunk it 1.5 years ago?

Topcat
04-22-2008, 04:04 AM
I have always supported Wayne K on the deal. the naysayers said he could have gotten more. yet they can site no examples of offers.

OnBaseMachine
04-25-2008, 09:18 PM
Thompson kept on rolling tonight: 7 IP, 4 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 10 K

His updated 2008 stats:

30.2 IP, 20 H, 1 HR, 2 BB, 35 K, 0.59 ERA

fearofpopvol1
04-26-2008, 01:15 AM
Okay, those numbers are disgusting. If I'm not mistaken, they may have even better than Bailey's through his first 30 innings.

cincyinco
04-26-2008, 01:26 AM
Did he end up with 10 or 11 K tonight? I seen both in the update thread.

dougdirt
04-26-2008, 01:36 AM
11 K's. He pitched 7.2 innings, allowed 3 unearned runs on 4 hits, 3 walks and he struck out 11.

OnBaseMachine
05-03-2008, 01:50 AM
Another solid outing by Thompson tonight: 6 IP, 5 H, 1 ER, 1 BB, 6 K...He's allowed one ER or fewer in all six starts.

His updated 2008 stats:

37.1 IP, 25 H, 1 HR, 5 BB, 42 K, 0.72 ERA

Caveat Emperor
05-03-2008, 03:58 AM
Another solid outing by Thompson tonight: 6 IP, 5 H, 1 ER, 1 BB, 6 K...He's allowed one ER or fewer in all six starts.

His updated 2008 stats:

37.1 IP, 25 H, 1 HR, 5 BB, 42 K, 0.72 ERA

You've got to figure the Reds are going to end 2008 with a rotation that looks a lot like this:

1. Aaron Harang
2. Edinson Volquez
3. Bronson Arroyo
4. Johnny Cueto
5. Homer Bailey

Every name on the list is under team-control (either by contract or service time) for a long time to come. Unless someone is hurt or someone flames out spectacularly (always a possibility, unfortunately), Thompson is on the outside looking in for the foreseeable future.

Is now the right time to start thinking about moving Daryl Thompson? His value is probably through the roof -- it'd be a very Jocketty-type move to sell him now in order to get something that will fix a need at the ML level.

fearofpopvol1
05-03-2008, 04:27 AM
You've got to figure the Reds are going to end 2008 with a rotation that looks a lot like this:

1. Aaron Harang
2. Edinson Volquez
3. Bronson Arroyo
4. Johnny Cueto
5. Homer Bailey

Every name on the list is under team-control (either by contract or service time) for a long time to come. Unless someone is hurt or someone flames out spectacularly (always a possibility, unfortunately), Thompson is on the outside looking in for the foreseeable future.

Is now the right time to start thinking about moving Daryl Thompson? His value is probably through the roof -- it'd be a very Jocketty-type move to sell him now in order to get something that will fix a need at the ML level.

It's an interesting question. I think Harang, Volquez and Cueto are locks at this point for the near future. In addition to Thompson, I think Bailey and/or Arroyo could be shopped. Arroyo I think may have the highest propensity. He is the oldest, has the biggest contract, least amount of upside, seems to be on a downward slide, but at the same time, he is a proven commodity. Bailey probably has the highest ceiling of everyone, but his walk rates will always be question mark until he proves that it's not a question mark for an extended period of time (which he seemingly is on his way to doing right now). Not to mention, Bailey's value right now is the highest it's been since before he was brought up to the majors. Thompson is an unproven commodity, but he has actually put up better numbers than Bailey did through his first 37 innings with the Lookouts.

What do you do if you're Jocketty? I don't know. You better have good scouts in place to tell you, though.

OnBaseMachine
05-03-2008, 11:01 AM
Depth is a great thing to have. Unless a team knocks me over with an offer for Thompson, I hold on to him. There may not be a spot open for him right now, but my plan would be to work him in as a reliever and get him prepared to take over for Arroyo after he walks in 2010. Maybe bring him up this September for a couple starts and then make him the long reliever next year so he can get acquainted with big league hitters and will be ready to step into the rotation when needed.

Caveat Emperor
05-03-2008, 02:13 PM
Depth is a great thing to have.

Unless it's counter-balanced by glaring need elsewhere.

You can have all the eggs in the world, but you'll never make a good omelette without some cheese and/or some bacon and ham.

PuffyPig
05-03-2008, 02:20 PM
Is now the right time to start thinking about moving Daryl Thompson? His value is probably through the roof -- it'd be a very Jocketty-type move to sell him now in order to get something that will fix a need at the ML level.

I've never seen a team with too much starting pitchers.

The Reds won't be the first.