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OnBaseMachine
04-14-2008, 03:30 PM
Louisville plays a doubleheader beginning at 5:30 against Pawtucket. Homer Bailey is scheduled to start game one with Tom Shearn starting game two.

Chattanooga plays at 8:05 with Sam Lecure making his second start.

Sarasota plays at 7:00 with Alexander Smit starting.

Dayton plays at 7:30 with Scott Carroll starting.

Aronchis
04-14-2008, 03:31 PM
Bailey will struggle and Carroll will still have a lack of stuff.

OnBaseMachine
04-14-2008, 03:34 PM
Bailey will struggle and Carroll will still have a lack of stuff.

Thanks Nostradamus. Forget this thread guys. I'll have one of the mods delete it since we already know what's going to happen.

BRM
04-14-2008, 03:36 PM
I guess I should lay money on Pawtucket tonight then.

TRF
04-14-2008, 03:46 PM
edited due to it being off topic.

Benihana
04-14-2008, 03:48 PM
Seriously, you really have degenerated to troll status. I may harp on a few of the Reds minor leaguers (Stubbs), but you have approached a point where when anyone sees a post by you I get the feeling they just roll their eyes.

Agreed.

OnBaseMachine
04-14-2008, 03:48 PM
Seriously, you really have degenerated to troll status. I may harp on a few of the Reds minor leaguers (Stubbs), but you have approached a point where when anyone sees a post by you I get the feeling they just roll their eyes.

And I'll third that. Good post.

membengal
04-14-2008, 04:02 PM
Fourth'd.

Matt700wlw
04-14-2008, 04:04 PM
I guess I should lay money on Pawtucket tonight then.

You bet on minor league games? Do you need professional help? ;)

Az. Reds Fan
04-14-2008, 04:05 PM
Fifth'd

JaxRed
04-14-2008, 04:06 PM
Be careful, there's a Pawtucket Jersey buried at the Bat's stadium

Joseph
04-14-2008, 04:10 PM
Alright guys, back to the topic at hand please.

OesterPoster
04-14-2008, 04:13 PM
Seriously, you really have degenerated to troll status. I may harp on a few of the Reds minor leaguers (Stubbs), but you have approached a point where when anyone sees a post by you I get the feeling they just roll their eyes.

When he does actually say something positive about a Reds prospect, I have to read the sentences very slowly and multiple times just to make sure I'm not overlooking a secret code that says all Reds prospects stink.

TRF
04-14-2008, 04:14 PM
Joseph is right. let's get back to the topic.

princeton
04-14-2008, 04:19 PM
the bummer is that Aronchis is usually correct, Cueto notwithstanding.

Homer Bailey
04-14-2008, 04:23 PM
We need an "ignore user" button like the WVU board I post on.

Benihana
04-14-2008, 04:24 PM
the bummer is that Aronchis is usually correct, Cueto notwithstanding.

Is he though? Is Jay Bruce really having an awful start to his season?

OnBaseMachine
04-14-2008, 04:28 PM
Let's please avoid getting this thread locked.

Degenerate39
04-14-2008, 04:34 PM
Is Homer pitching tonight or was there another rainout?

OnBaseMachine
04-14-2008, 04:40 PM
Is Homer pitching tonight or was there another rainout?

Homer was scheduled to pitch yesterday but it was rained out so he'll pitch game one of a doubleheader tonight.

Aronchis
04-14-2008, 04:47 PM
Relax guys. Homer hasn't had a "off" start and he will have some ups and downs before the weather warms up and he gets into a nice groove.

With the cool weather, it may contribute to some control problems tonight.

icehole3
04-14-2008, 05:06 PM
OK Im re-reading now to decipher the bat code within this post, there's a hidden message in there.

http://www.sternfannetwork.com/forum/images/smilies/Crazy/crazy-eyes.gif

SarasotaFan
04-14-2008, 05:16 PM
Update....Just talked to Homer via my iChat...he said he's going to throw this game tonight so that we can make money...place bets on Pawtucket and Barbaro...

medford
04-14-2008, 05:21 PM
Fifth'd

Is that what happens to ya when you've had to much liquer? You've been fifth'd? :D

medford
04-14-2008, 05:22 PM
Actually I think Aronchis just likes to take the opposite approach on Reds prospects. Why I don't know, but when Homer was getting beat around this spring and many were jumping off the Homer express, Aronchis was the one saying that Homer was only at 70% and once he got his legs under him, he'd regain his control and look for him to take off again in late april.

SarasotaFan
04-14-2008, 05:26 PM
Actually I think Aronchis just likes to take the opposite approach on Reds prospects. Why I don't know, but when Homer was getting beat around this spring and many were jumping off the Homer express, Aronchis was the one saying that Homer was only at 70% and once he got his legs under him, he'd regain his control and look for him to take off again in late april.
so that when he's right he can say "i told you so"..... :beerme:

Aronchis
04-14-2008, 05:27 PM
Actually I think Aronchis just likes to take the opposite approach on Reds prospects. Why I don't know, but when Homer was getting beat around this spring and many were jumping off the Homer express, Aronchis was the one saying that Homer was only at 70% and once he got his legs under him, he'd regain his control and look for him to take off again in late april.

Which I still suspect will happen(though, nothing is ever 100% a sure thing). But I doubt he is there yet. He got stronger his 2nd start, but I doubt he is humming by mid-April.

SarasotaFan
04-14-2008, 05:29 PM
Which I still suspect will happen(though, nothing is ever 100% a sure thing). But I doubt he is there yet. He got stronger his 2nd start, but I doubt he is humming by mid-April.

I'm with you though, cause I think like you do. He's had some decent starts, but for some reason I think things will fall apart for a little bit soon. I don't think he's completely figured it out like we'd all like to think...

TRF
04-14-2008, 05:36 PM
I'm with you though, cause I think like you do. He's had some decent starts, but for some reason I think things will fall apart for a little bit soon. I don't think he's completely figured it out like we'd all like to think...

Not all of us think he has it figured out. I think he's a tremendous talent, but there were a lot of grumblings out of ST obout how coachable he was. And a lot of talk about how straight his FB is.

I'm thrilled he's having success. I hope he keeps it up.

princeton
04-14-2008, 05:45 PM
Is he though? Is Jay Bruce really having an awful start to his season?

disappointing so far, partly because he gave us so much to anticipate.

SarasotaFan
04-14-2008, 05:53 PM
disappointing so far, partly because he gave us so much to anticipate.

why ? it's april....relax

OnBaseMachine
04-14-2008, 06:02 PM
Bats

1. Andy Green 2b
2. Jerry Hairston Jr. rf
3. Jay Bruce dh
4. Jolbert Cabrera 1b
5. David Ross c
6. Drew T. Anderson lf
7. Adam Rosales 3b
8. Jerry Gil cf
9. Paul Janish ss

pitcher -- Homer Bailey

Wayne Krivsky is at the game.

OnBaseMachine
04-14-2008, 06:03 PM
From Trent's blog:

* In the minor leagues, doubleheader games are 7 innings each. Tom Shearn takes the mound for the Bats in Game 2.

* Reds general manager Wayne Krivsky is in the house.

* RHP Matt Belisle will start Tuesday for the Bats. Belisle said he was feeling great. He started the season on the disabled list with sore right forearm since the beginning of the season. He made a start at Class AA Chattanooga last week.

* Jay Bruce will play left field in the second game of the doubleheader. He's the designated hitter in the first game.

* Bats RHP Justin Lehr was named the International League Pitcher of the Week on Monday. Lehr took a perfect game into the eighth inning last Monday against Scranton/Wilkes-Barre (Yankees). Lehr is 2-0 in two starts with a 0.60 ERA with 10 strikesouts and one walk. Lehr, 30, was signed by the Reds as a minor league free agent in the off-season. He's also pitched in 66 games with the Brewers and A's.

"I expect to throw strikes and stay consistent, but it's obviously worked out very well for being this early," Lehr said. "On any team here in AAA, you just try to keep pitching well and hope for an opportunity. There's no telling, they're pitching well (in Cincinnati), so you just wait and see. There's 29 other teams and if there's a big enough need, maybe you can become available. But it's still early and it's a couple of starts, so there's a long way to go. But it's better to tstart off good than trying to dig yourself out of a hole."

http://www.thelotd.com/ctrent/

Degenerate39
04-14-2008, 06:23 PM
So is Bruce going to take Dunn's spot on the team now?

HBP
04-14-2008, 06:27 PM
Wow, I didn't know Lehr had pitched that many games in the majors.

SarasotaFan
04-14-2008, 06:36 PM
So is Bruce going to take Dunn's spot on the team now?

ummm......no

dougdirt
04-14-2008, 06:36 PM
Big names in the seats for Louisville.

Krivsky and Reynolds are both in attendance.

OnBaseMachine
04-14-2008, 06:36 PM
Bailey retires the leadoff hitter on a flyout to CF.

OnBaseMachine
04-14-2008, 06:37 PM
Another flyout to CF.

OnBaseMachine
04-14-2008, 06:38 PM
Kielty K's looking.

Homer: 1 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 1 K...10 pitches.

dougdirt
04-14-2008, 06:39 PM
The video is not loading for the game yet. Bummer on that one.

Aronchis
04-14-2008, 06:41 PM
Lot of hacking by the Red Sox. Bailey is not the type of pitcher you go up hacking against.

dougdirt
04-14-2008, 06:43 PM
here we go, Video is up and running for the Bats game. I will do some pitch by pitch updates for Bailey.

dougdirt
04-14-2008, 06:48 PM
Louisville Bats
2nd inning
Homer Pitching

1. Fastball low. Cut FB grabs the outside corner for strike 1. FB inside, ball 2. Foul ball back on a pitch on the outside corner. Fastball on the outside corner fouled back again. Lazy pop up to the Rf who didn't move to catch it.

2. Fastball fouled off on a late swing. High fastball swing and a miss. Fastball dribbled to third for an infield single.

3. Fastball nibbles the outside corner for strike 1. Fastball taken inside for ball 1. Curveball taken for strike 2, not a ton of break to it. Curveball taken low. Curveball taken for strike 3. Stolen base though.

4. Line drive single but the LF guns the runner out at the plate to end the inning.

OnBaseMachine
04-14-2008, 06:50 PM
0-2 infield basehit. He learned that trick from the Reds.

OnBaseMachine
04-14-2008, 06:51 PM
Ginter K's looking. 2 outs.

OnBaseMachine
04-14-2008, 06:53 PM
Homer Bailey: 2 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 2 K...25 pitches, 17 strikes.

dougdirt
04-14-2008, 06:56 PM
Bats went quickly in the 2nd. Hits, just right at people.

dougdirt
04-14-2008, 06:58 PM
Louisville 3rd inning
Home Bailey pitching.

1.First pitch popped up in foul territory caught 10 feet from home plate.

2. FB that goes about 58 feet. Fastball taken for strike 1. Changeup foul tipped into the glove of the catcher. Fastball misses just wide. Strike three on a fastball on the inside corner looking.

3. Fastball just misses low. Inside FB for a weak ground out to first.

OnBaseMachine
04-14-2008, 07:01 PM
Bailey: 3 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 3 K...33 pitches, 22 strikes.

OnBaseMachine
04-14-2008, 07:04 PM
Rosales is really slumping. Hopefully he can get it going before long because I think he could be an asset off the Reds bench later in the season.

Degenerate39
04-14-2008, 07:04 PM
ummm......no

Only kidding.

It looks like Bailey's going pretty good and at a good time with Wayne in attendence.

OnBaseMachine
04-14-2008, 07:07 PM
The Pawtucket starter has retired all nine Louisville hitters in a row.

Screwball
04-14-2008, 07:08 PM
Rosales is really slumping. Hopefully he can get it going before long because I think he could be an asset off the Reds bench later in the season.

Yikes, you ain't kiddin': .143/.172/.179/.351.

It'd be great if he could get going. He slugged .549 last year in AA, so he might be able to provide a little RH pop off the bench, as you mentioned.

OnBaseMachine
04-14-2008, 07:12 PM
Homer allows a leadoff double followed by a walk.

reds44
04-14-2008, 07:17 PM
Something isn't right here.

Trent has Hairtson batting 2nd and playing right field (http://www.thelotd.com/ctrent/blog)



Andy Green 2b
Jerry Hairston Jr. rf
Jay Bruce dh
Jolbert Cabrera 1b
David Ross c
Drew T. Anderson lf
Adam Rosales 3b
Jerry Gil cf
Paul Janish ss




Talked to Jerry Hairston Jr. today and he said he actually feels healthy for the first time in two years. He said the last two years he felt like he was 80, this year , much better. He is hitting .484 so far. Looks like the wind is blowing straight in. Hairston pops up right to the mound and the 3b makes the catch.


milb.com has Dickerson playing 2nd in RF. (http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=g_box&gid=2008_04_14_pawaaa_louaaa_1)



Andy Green strikes out swinging.
Chris Dickerson pops out to pitcher Chris Smith.
Jay Bruce strikes out swinging.


Could be nothing, but I am looking for a callup.

OnBaseMachine
04-14-2008, 07:17 PM
Flyout for the first out. Brandon Moss singles in a run. Ginter K's looking. 2 outs. Groundout ends the inning.

Bailey: 4 IP, 4 H, 1 R, 1 BB, 4 K...50 pitches.

SarasotaFan
04-14-2008, 07:18 PM
Lot of hacking by the Red Sox. Bailey is not the type of pitcher you go up hacking against.

why not ????

SarasotaFan
04-14-2008, 07:19 PM
Homer allows a leadoff double followed by a walk.

and so it begins....

OnBaseMachine
04-14-2008, 07:20 PM
Trent says Homer hit 97 mph in the second inning.

SarasotaFan
04-14-2008, 07:21 PM
Trent says Homer hit 97 mph in the second inning.
on who's gun ?

OnBaseMachine
04-14-2008, 07:22 PM
Bruce singles to breakup the perfect game.

OnBaseMachine
04-14-2008, 07:23 PM
Trent also said Bailey threw a nice curveball to get a strikeout in the third inning.

dougdirt
04-14-2008, 07:24 PM
and so it begins....

It is one inning. Man, talk about a rough crowd. Everything this kid does gets blown up. He goes 7 innings and allows a run his first start and walks just one and people complain he isn't striking enough out. He has 1 walk in 4 innings and this? Lighten up.

dougdirt
04-14-2008, 07:24 PM
Oh, I lost my internet for that 4th inning. Should be back for the 5th here.

SarasotaFan
04-14-2008, 07:26 PM
ross K's to end the inning....

reds44
04-14-2008, 07:26 PM
Trent says Homer hit 97 mph in the second inning.
I'll believe that when I see it on the GABP gun.

OnBaseMachine
04-14-2008, 07:26 PM
Ross K's to end the inning.

1-0 Pawtucket after 4.

dougdirt
04-14-2008, 07:27 PM
I'll believe that when I see it on the GABP gun.

Lol he hit 97 last year a few times according to the pitch fx system. When it happens are you buying people shots? :D

reds44
04-14-2008, 07:29 PM
Lol he hit 97 last year a few times according to the pitch fx system. When it happens are you buying people shots? :D
I never said that, lol. I'm not saying it's impossible, but just color me skeptical.

dougdirt
04-14-2008, 07:29 PM
Louisville 5th inning (trailing 1-0)
Homer Bailey pitching

1. Fastball fouled off. FB low. Single lined through the SS/3B hole.

2. Slider with good movement taken for strike 1. Balk on a pick off. Got his feet caught up. Fly Ball to CF. Runner advances to 3rd.

Ted Power out to talk to Bailey.
3. Fastball fouled off on the inside corner. Curveball hit foul down the line by about 6 inches. Fastball up for a sac fly to RF.

4. FB taken for strike 1 on the inside corner. Soft liner to CF to end the inning.

SarasotaFan
04-14-2008, 07:30 PM
balk......

OnBaseMachine
04-14-2008, 07:33 PM
Sac fly. 2-0. That balk killed him there.

OnBaseMachine
04-14-2008, 07:34 PM
Bailey: 5 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 1 BB, 4 K...60 pitches.

reds44
04-14-2008, 07:36 PM
I love how he is keeping his pitch count in control this time around. He definatley still has room to get better, but it's nice to watch him improve.

Aronchis
04-14-2008, 07:37 PM
Make no doubt about it, Bailey is struggling abit. But that also may portray some good things by June.

OnBaseMachine
04-14-2008, 07:38 PM
Rosales singles. He's 1-for-2.

Gil follows with a single.

OnBaseMachine
04-14-2008, 07:40 PM
Janish RBI single.

dougdirt
04-14-2008, 07:42 PM
Make no doubt about it, Bailey is struggling abit. But that also may portray some good things by June.

I am watching the game. I missed his 4th inning, but he has looked good outside of that. He threw a slider in the 3rd or 5th inning, I don't remember at this point, but it was nasty.

dougdirt
04-14-2008, 07:43 PM
Andy Green fell for it, pitcher faked a throw to third and he took off toward second. Nailed him easily.

OnBaseMachine
04-14-2008, 07:44 PM
2-2 after 5. Hairston struckout to end the inning.

OnBaseMachine
04-14-2008, 07:47 PM
Top 6.

Kielty grounded out on 1-2. 1 out.

dougdirt
04-14-2008, 07:47 PM
Louisville 6th inning
Homer Bailey pitching

1. Strike one looking on the outside corner. Taken outside. FB on the corner. Grounder to Rosales at 3B for out 1.

2. FB taken on the outside corner for strike 1. Foul ball back. Pop up to LF, out #2.

3. Strike 1 swinging with some decent movement on a change up. FB inside tapped foul on a check swing. Foul ball back. Curveball taken high. Curve taken high again (must have just missed, it looked good to me). Change up in the dirt. Grounder to 2nd and a throwing error gets the runner to second.

4. High FB popped up to the 2nd baseman to end the inning.

OnBaseMachine
04-14-2008, 07:48 PM
0-2 flyout to left. 2 outs.

OnBaseMachine
04-14-2008, 07:52 PM
Bailey: 6 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 1 BB, 4 K...75 pitches.

crazyredfan40
04-14-2008, 07:52 PM
Hey Doug it just seems to me from the reports that you are giving that he is throwing alot of fastballs and still not really comfortable throwing the other stuff for strikes when he needs...

Would you say this is off or correct?

dougdirt
04-14-2008, 07:53 PM
Bailey - 6ip, 5h, 2r, 1bb, 4K, 75 pitches and 50 strikes.

dougdirt
04-14-2008, 07:53 PM
Hey Doug it just seems to me from the reports that you are giving that he is throwing alot of fastballs and still not really comfortable throwing the other stuff for strikes when he needs...

Would you say this is off or correct?

I think he is like most pitchers. Work off your fastball. Most pitchers throw 60-65% fastballs. Bailey is in that range.

OnBaseMachine
04-14-2008, 07:54 PM
Bruce is 1-for-3 with a single.

Aronchis
04-14-2008, 07:55 PM
The biggest thing with Homer is his command has improved a good deal for whatever reason to last year.

He hasn't really flashed much in the way of consistant secondary stuff and it shows. But it is early and getting those knockout punches instead of popouts is key for his development at this level.

OnBaseMachine
04-14-2008, 07:56 PM
David Ross just tripled to RCF.

crazyredfan40
04-14-2008, 07:57 PM
I think he is like most pitchers. Work off your fastball. Most pitchers throw 60-65% fastballs. Bailey is in that range.

Yeah I have no problem with that, but at times I think that what hurt Bailey at the major league level was inability to find the strike zone with a changeup or curveball when guys were sitting on fastball...

Just wondering if he is hitting his spots with changeups and curveballs when behind in the count, so he doesn't rely solely on the fastball...

dougdirt
04-14-2008, 08:01 PM
Yeah I have no problem with that, but at times I think that what hurt Bailey at the major league level was inability to find the strike zone with a changeup or curveball when guys were sitting on fastball...

Just wondering if he is hitting his spots with changeups and curveballs when behind in the count, so he doesn't rely solely on the fastball...

For the most part he has been hitting his spots tonight. I can only recall 5 times tonight where he really missed his spot. Three on fastballs and twice with the curve.

dougdirt
04-14-2008, 08:02 PM
David Ross just scored on a wild pitch. Rosales pops up to end the inning.

dougdirt
04-14-2008, 08:04 PM
Louisville Bats 7th inning (3-2 lead)
Homer Bailey pitching

1. Fastball inside for ball 1. Fastball taken for strike 1 at the knees (96 MPH). Cut fastball grounded to third. Error by Rosales as he bobbled the ball.

2. High and inside fastball. Fastball for a swinging strike. Bunt back to Bailey. He slips as he catches it and his only play was to first from his butt. 1 out, runner at 2nd.

Bailey out in favor of Bill Bray. Bailey didn't look too happy about being taken out.

OnBaseMachine
04-14-2008, 08:05 PM
First batter of the 7th inning reaches on a Rosales error. Louisville's defense stinks.

OnBaseMachine
04-14-2008, 08:06 PM
Sac bunt. 1 out.

OnBaseMachine
04-14-2008, 08:07 PM
Bray replaces Homer.

6.1 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 1 BB, 4 K...81 pitches.

dougdirt
04-14-2008, 08:09 PM
Bill Bray looks good today. Just struck out the first batter he faced on what looked like a slider.

dougdirt
04-14-2008, 08:10 PM
Bill Bray needs to be in Cincinnati. I have seen him throw about 6 pitches and its all I need to see. He will be up soon. Krivsky has to be seeing what I am seeing stuff wise from Bray. Bray strikes him out to end the game. Bats win 3-2.

crazyredfan40
04-14-2008, 08:11 PM
For the most part he has been hitting his spots tonight. I can only recall 5 times tonight where he really missed his spot. Three on fastballs and twice with the curve.

Alright thanks...It is really about location with him, and it sounds for the most part his first three starts he has been hitting his spots with all of his pitches...

Aronchis
04-14-2008, 08:11 PM
Bailey was pissed

OnBaseMachine
04-14-2008, 08:12 PM
2 K's for Bray. He's got 8 K's in 4.1 innings.

dougdirt
04-14-2008, 08:12 PM
Bailey was pissed

Are you watching the game?

Redman15
04-14-2008, 08:13 PM
Sarasota line-up

Heisey RF
DeJesus, Mic LF
Turner 2B
Valaika SS
Stubbs CF
Louwsma 1B
Kainer DH
Tordi 3B
Rodriguez C
Smit, A P

OnBaseMachine
04-14-2008, 08:13 PM
Louisville won 3-2. Forgot it was only a seven inning game.

Aronchis
04-14-2008, 08:13 PM
Alright thanks...It is really about location with him, and it sounds for the most part his first three starts he has been hitting his spots with all of his pitches...

Yeah. This would have been Bailey last year if he had command of his fastball(I am not going to get into a arguement why he didn't have command either:))

Now tighten up his curve and get some k's then he can help the Reds.

mlbfan30
04-14-2008, 08:16 PM
Bailey was pissed

Bailey will never succeed when he's uncoachable AND get's mad every time he gets pulled out of games. He's probably going try to beat up Rosales for his error and get a career ending injury.

OnBaseMachine
04-14-2008, 08:16 PM
Doug, was Bailey pissed or is there more mind reading going on in this thread?

OnBaseMachine
04-14-2008, 08:17 PM
Bailey will never succeed when he's uncoachable AND get's mad every time he gets pulled out of games. He's probably going try to beat up Rosales for his error and get a career ending injury.

He's not uncoachable. Why do people continue to say this? Read the quotes from Dusty Baker.

dougdirt
04-14-2008, 08:19 PM
Doug, was Bailey pissed or is there more mind reading going on in this thread?

He looked mad, but I also wonder if the look was because he just fell on his butt pretty hard about 30 seconds before. He lost his footing and fell straight to his butt, it was pretty hard. He didn't seem to be saying much to the coach, just had a look on his face.

dougdirt
04-14-2008, 08:19 PM
He's not uncoachable. Why do people continue to say this? Read the quotes from Dusty Baker.

Because once something gets out there, it gets repeated until its perceived as fact.

Redman15
04-14-2008, 08:27 PM
2-1 Sarasota Turner RBI single scores Heisey. Smit gives up lead off HR in B1.

OnBaseMachine
04-14-2008, 08:29 PM
Dayton is about to get underway.

SMcGavin
04-14-2008, 08:31 PM
Bill Bray needs to be in Cincinnati. I have seen him throw about 6 pitches and its all I need to see. He will be up soon. Krivsky has to be seeing what I am seeing stuff wise from Bray. Bray strikes him out to end the game. Bats win 3-2.

What he said.

mlbfan30
04-14-2008, 08:32 PM
He's not uncoachable. Why do people continue to say this? Read the quotes from Dusty Baker.

You couldn't tell that was sarcastic?

But I guess it's reasonable to think some people would think that

Aronchis
04-14-2008, 08:34 PM
I am hoping Bailey's breaking pitch goes through the same "acceleration" Cueto's went through last year in quality. If you look at Cueto's minor league logs from last season, he started in high A and struggled a bit and then blew up in the 2nd half of the season minus a few starts.

OnBaseMachine
04-14-2008, 08:35 PM
You couldn't tell that was sarcastic?

But I guess it's reasonable to think some people would think that

LOL. I didn't read it well enough I guess. I just read the first part about him being uncoachable and then made my post. If I ahd read the part about fighting Rosales then I would have caught on. My apologies man.

OnBaseMachine
04-14-2008, 08:48 PM
Todd Frazier: 1-for-1

Waring 0-for-1.

OnBaseMachine
04-14-2008, 08:54 PM
Louisville is facing Charlie Zink in game two. IIRC he's a knuckleballer.

dougdirt
04-14-2008, 08:58 PM
Louisville is facing Charlie Zink in game two. IIRC he's a knuckleballer.

Yes he is.

Redman15
04-14-2008, 08:58 PM
Sarasota 5-2. DeJesus single, Turner single, Valaika 3 run bomb.

highheat11
04-14-2008, 09:00 PM
Does anybody know of a website where I can hear the Sarasota game since its not on the MiLB radio lineup? (i.e. a Sarasota local station that lets you listen online or a similar site for Lakeland)

dougdirt
04-14-2008, 09:00 PM
Sarasota 5-2. DeJesus single, Turner single, Valaika 3 run bomb.

How long is it until the chain reaction starts that puts Valaika in Chattanooga and Frazier in Sarasota?

OnBaseMachine
04-14-2008, 09:01 PM
Valaika can hit. I think someone on here compared him to Michael Young. That's a pretty accurate comparison IMO. Average range at best at SS, decent power, batting average driven OBP.

OnBaseMachine
04-14-2008, 09:16 PM
Alexander Smit looks like a guy who probably needs shifted to the bullpen.

BTW Valaika's homerun was to right field.

Redman15
04-14-2008, 09:18 PM
If Chris keeps on hitting he will be playing SS in Chattanooga soon. Castro hitting .280 in AA and Bolivar is off to a good start at 2B. Valaika plays good enough D to stick at SS. Frazier will play SS at Sarasota when Cozart is ready to play in Dayton IMO.

Redman15
04-14-2008, 09:23 PM
I just noticed Sean Henry is playing CF for Chattanooga. He must have been bumped up to make room for the new kid Perales in Sarasota?

highheat11
04-14-2008, 09:27 PM
I noticed Gressick was added as an OF to the Sarasota roster today. Wasn't he a pitcher in Dayton last year?

Redman15
04-14-2008, 09:28 PM
I answered my own question. Dorn placed on the 7 day DL. Gressick was a pitcher in Dayton last year.

OnBaseMachine
04-14-2008, 09:30 PM
I noticed Gressick was added as an OF to the Sarasota roster today. Wasn't he a pitcher in Dayton last year?

Yup. I wonder if that's a mistake or if he's actually moving to the outfield?

highheat11
04-14-2008, 09:31 PM
It says was a two time All-American in college as a DH, so maybe they figured he has a higher ceiling as a hitter than a pitcher now.

OnBaseMachine
04-14-2008, 09:35 PM
It says was a two time All-American in college as a DH, so maybe they figured he has a higher ceiling as a hitter than a pitcher now.

I just looked it up, he hit .377/.470/.705 with 16 homeruns as a sophomore, .308/.387/.475 as a junior, and .372/.449/.587 as a senior.

http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/G/anthony-gressick.shtml

OnBaseMachine
04-14-2008, 09:48 PM
Must be a long line in the bathroom because the minor league scoreboards haven't been updated in like 15-20 minutes.

highheat11
04-14-2008, 09:57 PM
Must be a long line in the bathroom because the minor league scoreboards haven't been updated in like 15-20 minutes.

haha once everything catches up the games will be over and there will be nothing to talk about.

dougdirt
04-14-2008, 10:02 PM
Lookouts are tied 2-2. Sam Lecure is pitching well, despite allowing the 2 runs.

Louisville is down 4-0, but have two runners on base.

dougdirt
04-14-2008, 10:06 PM
Dorn went to the DL with a cut that required 19 stitches. He slid trying to make a catch the other day and cut his leg, finished the inning before realizing how bad it was.

Redman15
04-14-2008, 10:08 PM
Dorn is a tough kid.

ochoa30
04-14-2008, 10:12 PM
Dorn is a tough kid.

Yes, quite unlike roger.

reds44
04-14-2008, 10:15 PM
Yes, quite unlike roger.
DORN!

dougdirt
04-14-2008, 10:19 PM
Louisville is getting hammered, down 8-0.

dougdirt
04-14-2008, 10:21 PM
Lookouts are losing 4-2.

dougdirt
04-14-2008, 10:23 PM
Jay Bruce gets the Bats on the board with an RBI grounder up the middle that the 2B made a good play on to get Jay at first.

dougdirt
04-14-2008, 10:25 PM
BJ Szymanski with an opposite field HR for the Lookouts.

Superdude
04-14-2008, 10:30 PM
Dorn went to the DL with a cut that required 19 stitches. He slid trying to make a catch the other day and cut his leg

What kind of fields are these guys playing on? :eek: Nice to see Valaika killing the ball so far. He looked pretty terrible at that level last year.

dougdirt
04-14-2008, 10:44 PM
We have updates.

Valaika is 2-4 with his HR.

Stubbs is 1-4 with a triple and a walk.

Chris Heisey is 3-5 with a double.

justin Turner is 4-5 with a double.

Justin Tordi is 2-4 with a double.

highheat11
04-14-2008, 10:54 PM
Does anybody know why the Sarasota game starts at 10:30am tomorrow? Or is this just an error on their website?

dougdirt
04-14-2008, 10:57 PM
Does anybody know why the Sarasota game starts at 10:30am tomorrow? Or is this just an error on their website?

Sometimes minor league teams will have 'school days' and have games real early for the local schools to come out for. Could be one of those :dunno:

highheat11
04-14-2008, 10:59 PM
Sometimes minor league teams will have 'school days' and have games real early for the local schools to come out for. Could be one of those :dunno:

Thanks, I just saw on Lakeland's website that its "Education Day", so it looks like you're right on the money :thumbup:

SarasotaFan
04-14-2008, 11:01 PM
Sometimes minor league teams will have 'school days' and have games real early for the local schools to come out for. Could be one of those :dunno:
10:30 / 11:00 a.m. games are 99% the school promotion thing. either the fireman / police / someone will be there before hand talking to the kids. then the game starts and they get to scream and yell like they know what's going on while they don't watch the game....

highheat11
04-14-2008, 11:04 PM
Sarasota wins 9-4, Smit picks up his first win of the season.

dougdirt
04-14-2008, 11:13 PM
Sarasota Box Score


Player AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO AVG
Heisey RF 6 2 3 1 0 0 0 0 1 .313
DeJesus, Mic LF 3 2 1 0 0 0 2 1 1 .214
Turner 2B 6 1 4 1 0 0 1 0 0 .344
Valaika SS 4 1 2 0 0 1 3 1 0 .353
Stubbs CF 4 1 1 0 1 0 0 1 1 .364
Louwsma 1B 5 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 .302
Kainer DH 4 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 .182
Tordi 3B 4 1 2 1 0 0 0 1 1 .286
Rodriguez C 3 0 1 0 0 0 0 2 1 .174
Smit, A P 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Manuel P 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Geronimo P 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000

BATTING
2B: Tordi (1, Below), Heisey (6, Witt), Turner (2, Witt).
3B: Stubbs (1, Below).
HR: Valaika (3, 3rd inning off Below, 2 on, 0 out).
TB: Heisey 4; DeJesus, Mic; Turner 5; Valaika 5; Stubbs 3; Louwsma; Kainer; Tordi 3; Rodriguez.
RBI: Turner (2), Valaika 3 (11), Louwsma (5), DeJesus, Mic 2 (5).
Runners left in scoring position, 2 out: Heisey 3; Turner 2; Louwsma.
SF: DeJesus, Mic 2.
GIDP: Louwsma.
Team LOB: 12.

BASERUNNING
CS: Turner (2, 2nd base by Below/Skelton).

FIELDING
E: Rodriguez (2, throw), Tordi (2, fielding).
Pickoffs: Smit, A (Iorg at 1st base), Rodriguez (Sizemore at 2nd base).

Player IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA
Smit, A (W, 1-2) 5.0 6 4 3 2 5 1 6.75
Manuel (H, 1) 2.0 1 0 0 1 4 0 0.00
Geronimo 2.0 0 0 0 0 2 0 0.00

WP: Benitez 2.
Balk: Below.
HBP: Kainer (by Benitez).
Ground outs-fly outs: Smit, A 3-5, Manuel 1-1, Geronimo 2-2, Below 6-4, Witt 4-3, Martin 2-0, Benitez 1-1.
Batters faced: Smit, A 21, Manuel 8, Geronimo 7, Below 26, Witt 13, Martin 3, Benitez 6.

OnBaseMachine
04-14-2008, 11:18 PM
Geronimo has been dominant this season. He's a little old, he'll turn 25 late in the season, but he's pitching great right now. I'd promote him to Chattanooga soon.

Aronchis
04-14-2008, 11:25 PM
Wayne couldn't have been to happy. Bruce was poor and Bailey wasn't overly impressive. Not the best floor show from the prospects and young players san Bray.

OnBaseMachine
04-14-2008, 11:27 PM
I'm sure Wayne realizes that one game doesn't make a season.

dougdirt
04-14-2008, 11:32 PM
I think Wayne looked at Bailey tonight and thought he did just fine.... because he did. He threw lots of strikes, didn't allow many hard hit baseballs and had good control.

dougdirt
04-14-2008, 11:38 PM
BJ Szymanski with a 2 RBI double. He has a 10 game hitting streak.

PuffyPig
04-14-2008, 11:48 PM
Wayne couldn't have been to happy. Bruce was poor and Bailey wasn't overly impressive. Not the best floor show from the prospects and young players san Bray.

I think when Aronchis graduates to the "big league threads", he posts under FCB.

Bailey was fine. Actually more than fine.

OnBaseMachine
04-14-2008, 11:49 PM
BJ Szymanski with a 2 RBI double. He has a 10 game hitting streak.

He'll never be a starter but he just may develop into a fine 4th or 5th outfielder with some pop off the bench. And we could definitely use some power off the bench.

Aronchis
04-14-2008, 11:51 PM
I think Wayne looked at Bailey tonight and thought he did just fine.... because he did. He threw lots of strikes, didn't allow many hard hit baseballs and had good control.

True, the Red Sox are like a weak hitting major league team. But they had his fastball down by the 4th inning and were starting to hit him good on alot of 0-2 counts. If anything, Homer's growth may be stunted by improved control because he thinks now that I know where it is going, it will strike out everyone with mid-90's heat and ditch his changeup bs(the key to his success) and make lazy efforts on his breaking pitch. Homer has a hard head, we know it has softened, but still hard it is.

Bruce was a big disappointment.

Right now is looks like both guys will be in AAA for the rest of the year if they don't improve. For Bailey, maybe not a big big hurt(though I don't think it will feel good). For Bruce, it would be awfull.

PuffyPig
04-14-2008, 11:57 PM
Bruce was a big disappointment.

Right now is looks like both guys will be in AAA for the rest of the year if they don't improve. For Bailey, maybe not a big big hurt(though I don't think it will feel good). For Bruce, it would be awfull.

Firstly, a hitter can never be a big disppointment based on one game in baseball. There are simply too many random variables to suggest such a thing.

Secondly, it's 2 weeks into the season. And Bailey, usually a slow starter, has been a very pleasant surprise.

Benihana
04-15-2008, 12:00 AM
Don't look now but we may actually have a decent shortstop or two in the system. If everybody continues at their current production level, I'd like to see Valaika in Chattanooga and Frazier in Sarasota by this time next month.

I would think that Castro has more of a future at SS than Valaika, so I wouldn't be surprised to see Valaika play some 2B once he arrives in Chattanooga- which is fine by me. I see Valaika as a utility guy at the big league level. Meanwhile, like someone else said, I'm sure we'll see Frazier playing SS in Sarasota once Cozart is ready to man the position in Dayton. And I would think sometime around then, we may see Waring and Francisco get bumped up a notch as well, provided they continue to crush the ball. Waring and Frazier should move up together assuming things stay the same.

dougdirt
04-15-2008, 12:04 AM
Dayton opened the floodgates. They were trailing 4-2 heading into the 7th inning. They then put up 8 runs in the 7th, 8th and 9th. Jake Long has 4 hits and 5 RBI. Denis Phipps has 2 doubles and 2 RBI. Kel Jones also has 3 hits.

OnBaseMachine
04-15-2008, 12:07 AM
forget it.

OnBaseMachine
04-15-2008, 12:15 AM
Dayton won 10-4.

Frazier: 1-for-4 single, two walks
Waring: 1-for-6
Long: 4-for-5 double, 5 RBI

Jeffords: 2 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 5 K

Jacob Long went 3-for-3 yesterday combined with his 4-for-5 effort today...that's a combined 7-for-8 in two games. He turns 22 in three days...might want to keep an eye on him.

Check out Jeffords' numbers on the season:

8.2 IP, 3 H, 0 R, 3 BB, 17 K

OnBaseMachine
04-15-2008, 12:19 AM
Chattanooga just lost 6-5.

Szymanski: 2-for-3 double, homerun (#3), walk, 3 RBI
Griffin: 2-for-4 two doubles, walk

Pedro Viola: 2 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 3 BB, 3 K...7 K in 5.1 IP this season.

SMcGavin
04-15-2008, 12:19 AM
Check out Jeffords' numbers on the season:

8.2 IP, 3 H, 0 R, 3 BB, 17 K

Is 18 K/9 good or something?:)

Seriously though I know nothing about this Jeffords guy, anyone want to help me out?

Aronchis
04-15-2008, 12:21 AM
Jeffords is a flame throwing righty drafted in the 19th round out of South Carolina last year. He won't be in Dayton for long. This years Roenicke.

Kc61
04-15-2008, 12:26 AM
Chattanooga just lost 6-5.

Szymanski: 2-for-3 double, homerun (#3), walk, 3 RBI
Griffin: 2-for-4 two doubles, walk

Pedro Viola: 2 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 3 BB, 3 K...7 K in 5.1 IP this season.

Just shows you how patience is needed for some of these guys. Szymanski looked like a complete wash out the last two years. And he may still be.

But he is off to a blistering start this year in his first attempt at AA. Still a lot of Ks, but huge production, hitting over .400.

SMcGavin
04-15-2008, 12:28 AM
Jeffords is a flame throwing righty drafted in the 19th round out of South Carolina last year. He won't be in Dayton for long. This years Roenicke.

I hope you are right. The Reds of the past five years have shown the value that lies in being able to develop cheap young relievers from your farm.

OnBaseMachine
04-15-2008, 02:17 AM
Let's finish up in the Reds' system, shall we. Drew Stubbs had an up-and-down first full season in 2007, but finished strongly after making some adjustments at the plate. He's carried it over so far in his move up to the Florida State League. The outfielder has gone 13-for-37 (.351) and a perfect 7-for-7 in steals over his first 11 games. He's still striking out a lot (11), but he's also got a nifty .442 OBP thanks to six walks. Stubbs has got all five tools, and it's exciting to think he might start using them all.

Finally, there's Brandon Waring. A seventh-round pick last year out of Wofford College, he kind of came out of nowhere by leading all short-season players with 20 homers (he did hit 27 homers in his final college season, but we're not exactly talking big-time conference here). Now up in full-season Dayton, he's beginning to show it was no fluke. The third baseman has been red-hot, going 13-for-28 (.464) with three homers over his first eight games. Power-hitting third basemen aren't as common as they once were, so he's worth watching.

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080414&content_id=384752&vkey=news_milb&fext=.jsp

Spring~Fields
04-15-2008, 03:32 AM
You guys do a great job with these threads. Very interesting reading and input.

mth123
04-15-2008, 07:52 AM
Dayton won 10-4.

Frazier: 1-for-4 single, two walks
Waring: 1-for-6
Long: 4-for-5 double, 5 RBI

Jeffords: 2 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 5 K

Jacob Long went 3-for-3 yesterday combined with his 4-for-5 effort today...that's a combined 7-for-8 in two games. He turns 22 in three days...might want to keep an eye on him.

Check out Jeffords' numbers on the season:

8.2 IP, 3 H, 0 R, 3 BB, 17 K

Jake Long is one of my sleepers. I hope he gets a little more playing time out of this. I think this kid may develop into something if he can just get in the line-up regularly. Anyone know what the knock on him is? He seems to find himself taking a backseat to some one else every year. Not only was he behind Esquer to start the season, but now that Esquer has moved to Sarasota, Jason Bour seems to be playing ahead of him.

Long put up an .807 OPS in 124 PA at Billings last year and a .783 OPS in 89 PA in the GCL in 2006. His OB skills might be prettty good. He had OBP of .378 in '06 and .385 in '07. He turns 22 on Thursday. In an organization with little talent behind the plate, its time for a shot IMO.

NJReds
04-15-2008, 10:43 AM
Doug, was Bailey pissed or is there more mind reading going on in this thread?

I don't mind a pitcher not being happy when taken out, especially two outs away from a complete game. As long as he's not showing up the manager in any way. Chances are he was just mad at himself. Wasn't he getting criticized last year for not caring enough? :rolleyes:

camisadelgolf
04-15-2008, 11:25 AM
Andy Green fell for it, pitcher faked a throw to third and he took off toward second. Nailed him easily.

Huh? That trick actually works? I always thought pitchers did it for the sake of comedy or irony.

camisadelgolf
04-15-2008, 11:33 AM
BJ Szymanski with a 2 RBI double. He has a 10 game hitting streak.

10 consecutive games of making contact with the baseball--isn't that a personal best for Szymanski?

camisadelgolf
04-15-2008, 11:34 AM
Jake Long is one of my sleepers. I hope he gets a little more playing time out of this. I think this kid may develop into something if he can just get in the line-up regularly. Anyone know what the knock on him is? He seems to find himself taking a backseat to some one else every year. Not only was he behind Esquer to start the season, but now that Esquer has moved to Sarasota, Jason Bour seems to be playing ahead of him.

He was drafted by DanO outside of the first round.

OnBaseMachine
04-15-2008, 11:38 AM
I don't mind a pitcher not being happy when taken out, especially two outs away from a complete game. As long as he's not showing up the manager in any way. Chances are he was just mad at himself. Wasn't he getting criticized last year for not caring enough? :rolleyes:

Exactly. I don't think any pitches like being taken out of a game.