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BuckeyeRed27
04-17-2008, 12:08 AM
Match ups are all set as follows:

East

(1) Boston (66-16)
(8) Atlanta (37-45)

(4) Cleveland (45-37)
(5) Washington (43-39)

(3) Orlando (52-30)
(6) Toronto (41-41)

(2) Detroit (59-23)
(7) Philadelphia (40-42)

West

(1) LA Lakers (57-25)
(8) Denver (50-32)

(4) Utah (54-28)
(5) Houston (55-27)

(3) San Antonio (55-26)
(6) Phoenix (55-27)

(2) New Orleans (56-26)
(7) Dallas (51-31)


Those west match ups are unbelieveable. Should be a great NBA playoffs
Who are your picks?

goreds2
04-17-2008, 12:54 AM
I have always been a Sixers fan since the mid 1970's. Dr J, George McGinnis, Loyd (World) Free, Daryl Dawkins.....

It is safe to say, this year we are underdogs. :)

Buckeye33
04-17-2008, 01:57 AM
Match ups are all set as follows:

East

(1) Boston (66-16)
(8) Atlanta (37-45)

(4) Cleveland (45-37)
(5) Washington (43-39)

(3) Orlando (52-30)
(6) Toronto (41-41)

(2) Detroit (59-23)
(7) Philadelphia (40-42)

West

(1) LA Lakers (57-25)
(8) Denver (50-32)

(4) Utah (54-28)
(5) Houston (55-27)

(3) San Antonio (55-26)
(6) Phoenix (55-27)

(2) New Orleans (56-26)
(7) Dallas (51-31)


Those west match ups are unbelieveable. Should be a great NBA playoffs
Who are your picks?

East:

1. Boston in 5

2. Cleveland in 6

3. Orlando in 5

4. Detroit in 4

West:

1. Lakers in 5

2. Utah in 7

3. San Antonio 6

4. New Orleans in 7

TeamSelig
04-17-2008, 02:07 AM
(1) Boston (66-16) def (8) Atlanta (37-45) in 4 games
(4) Cleveland (45-37) def (5) Washington (43-39) in 6 games
(3) Orlando (52-30) def (6) Toronto (41-41) in 6 games
(2) Detroit (59-23) def (7) Philadelphia (40-42) in 4 games

(1) Boston (66-16) def (4) Cleveland (45-37) in 6 games
(2) Detroit (59-23) def (3) Orlando (52-30) in 5 games

(1) Boston (66-16) def (2) Detroit (59-23) in 5 games

West

(1) LA Lakers (57-25) def (8) Denver (50-32) in 5 games
(4) Utah (54-28) def (5) Houston (55-27) in 5 games
(6) Phoenix (55-27) def (3) San Antonio (55-26) in 7 games
(7) Dallas (51-31) def (2) New Orleans (56-26) in 7 games

(1) LA Lakers (57-25) def (4) Utah (54-28) in 6 games
(6) Phoenix (55-27) def (7) Dallas (51-31) in 5 games

(1) LA Lakers (57-25) def (6) Phoenix (55-27) in 6 games

(1) Boston (66-16) def (1) LA Lakers (57-25) in 6 games

It's so close this year that its too hard to guess. I love the matchups. Its hard to not pick Boston/LA, but I have a hard time betting against Shaq... I am definitely pulling for the Suns and I could really see them winning it. BUT I'm not sure the Spurs can lose in the 1st Round... it's just too hard to pick

macro
04-17-2008, 09:39 AM
The NBA Playoffs are my favorite six months of the year, and I feel sorry for the five teams that don't make it.

:D

Okay, I'm being a bit extreme for an attempt at humor. Actually, I'm happy to see the Celtics and Lakers back at the top. I hope they make the finals, for old time's sake. The NBA has never been the same for me since the Celtics and Lakers stopped meeting in The Finals.

NorrisHopper30
04-17-2008, 09:46 AM
I don't feel like making all predictions BUT

UTAH will win it all.

Upset picks:

Toronto over Orlando
Denver over LAL

BuckeyeRed27
04-17-2008, 11:16 AM
(1) Boston (66-16) def (8) Atlanta (37-45) in 4 games
(4) Cleveland (45-37) def (5) Washington (43-39) in 7 games
(3) Orlando (52-30) def (6) Toronto (41-41) in 5 games
(2) Detroit (59-23) def (7) Philadelphia (40-42) in 5 games


West

(1) LA Lakers (57-25) def (8) Denver (50-32) in 5 games
(4) Utah (54-28) def (5) Houston (55-27) in 5 games
(6) Phoenix (55-27) def (3) San Antonio (55-26) in 7 games
(2) New Orleans (56-26) def (7) Dallas (51-31) def in 6 games


Only going to worry about the first round right now. LA has too much for Denver. Houston has home court but Alston is missing the first two games. Phoenix and New Orleans could go either way. No surprises in the East.

Boston Red
04-17-2008, 11:19 AM
Love to see Utah win it all. But man did they look atrocious last night. Not a good way to go into the playoffs!

BuckeyeRed27
04-17-2008, 05:17 PM
Love to see Utah win it all. But man did they look atrocious last night. Not a good way to go into the playoffs!

Yeah they looked like they didn't care at all. That game was over after about 6 minutes.

HumnHilghtFreel
04-17-2008, 05:24 PM
The Cavs Wiz and Pistons Sixers are the only series that intrigue me. The Cavs and Wiz don't like eachother at all. Lots of trash talk and LeBron and DeShawn Stevenson have a personal beef with eachother.

I like the Sixers team a lot as an underdog, but I don't think they can pull off a series win against Detroit. I think they will be able to steal a couple away from them though.

Every matchup out west should be great.

Unassisted
04-17-2008, 05:30 PM
Article in the local paper said that Tim Duncan has intentionally been in cruise control during most of the regular season. He's also said to have lost interest in running up big numbers or being the regular-season MVP. I believe the article also said the expression on his face has seemed to say "Can we just get to the playoffs already?"

Last night vs. Utah seemed to be a great example of what the Spurs can do when they're in playoff mode. They'll need to stay in that zone against the Suns, who are their most disliked rival in the West. Even so, I think the Spurs can win it all again, provided they can stay healthy.

BuckeyeRed27
04-17-2008, 05:59 PM
Article in the local paper said that Tim Duncan has intentionally been in cruise control during most of the regular season. He's also said to have lost interest in running up big numbers or being the regular-season MVP. I believe the article also said the expression on his face has seemed to say "Can we just get to the playoffs already?"

Last night vs. Utah seemed to be a great example of what the Spurs can do when they're in playoff mode. They'll need to stay in that zone against the Suns, who are their most disliked rival in the West. Even so, I think the Spurs can win it all again, provided they can stay healthy.

I think any of the top 6 teams in the West can win it. I do think the Spurs are the least likely at the moment because of their age. The playoff schedule is really going to take a toll on guys like Finley, Bowen and Ginobli. By the time they got to a series again Utah or LA they could have played 12-14 games. They will certainly be competive and if the bounces go their way (like last night) they are talented enough to do it, but that would be a concern of mine if I was a Spurs fan (which I'm not).

GoReds33
04-17-2008, 08:11 PM
I really want to see a Phoenix-Boston final. I think that the Suns will have a very difficult time getting there though.

WMR
04-17-2008, 08:40 PM
I want Lakers-Celtics.

15fan
04-18-2008, 04:05 PM
Defense wins championships.

Detroit, Boston, and San Antonio are 1-3, allowing 90.x pts per game.

Phoenix is 25th in the league, giving up 105 ppg. The only teams worse defensively than Phoenix are Indiana (105.4 ppg), Seattle (106.3 ppg), Memphis (106.9 ppg), Denver (107.0 ppg) and Golden State (108.8 ppg). An 8 seed and 4 teams who didn't make the playoffs.

Chris Paul, Tim Duncan, and Josh Howard, all in the same half of the Western Conference Bracket. Sweet.

MasonBuzz3
04-18-2008, 04:15 PM
(1) Boston def (8) Atlanta in 4 games
(4) Cleveland def (5) Washington in 5 games
(3) Orlando def (6) Toronto in 7 games
(2) Detroit def (7) Philadelphia in 6 games

(1) Boston def (4) Cleveland in 7 games
(2) Detroit def (3) Orlando in 7 games

(1) Boston def (2) Detroit in 5 games

West

(1) LA Lakers def (8) Denver in 4 games
(4) Utah def (5) Houston in 4 games
(6) Phoenix def (3) San Antonio in 7 games
(2) New Orleans def (7) Dallas in 7 games

(4) Utah def (1) LA Lakers in 6 games
(6) Phoenix def (2) New Orleans in 5 games

(6) Phoenix def (4) Utah in 7 games

(6) Phoenix def (1) Boston in 6 games

GoReds33
04-18-2008, 10:24 PM
Chris Paul, Tim Duncan, and Josh Howard, all in the same half of the Western Conference Bracket. Sweet.Don't forget Shaq. Last I checked, he can still take over a game at a moment's notice.

TeamSelig
04-19-2008, 04:22 PM
Cleveland and the Wizards was a pretty good game. Lebron is just too good. I've started to grow a hatred for the Wizards with all of their trash talk from Stevenson, Gilbert, etc.

I love how Gilbert said he was the best player in the NBA in the 4th quarter, yet he pretty much lost it for the Wizards, meanwhile Lebron took over.

WMR
04-19-2008, 04:27 PM
Yeah, I love seeing the Wiz lose. They talk so much smack, and they really are in no position to be running their mouths like they do.

WMR
04-19-2008, 04:56 PM
Suns making the Spurs look a little old right now.

goreds2
04-19-2008, 05:33 PM
The Spurs are playing HACK A SHAQ at the moment.

HumnHilghtFreel
04-19-2008, 06:11 PM
This Suns Spurs game is good stuff. Duncan drills a long 3 to send it to double OT

Screwball
04-19-2008, 06:18 PM
Kurt Thomas and, more importantly, Tony Parker have fouled out in double OT. With two minutes left, Suns need to capitalize.

redsrule2500
04-19-2008, 06:30 PM
Basketball is the most ridiculous sport. 82 games and over half the league (16/30) makes the playoffs...

WMR
04-19-2008, 06:46 PM
Heartbreaker for the Suns. This will be a difficult loss to recover from emotionally.

Razor Shines
04-19-2008, 07:02 PM
That was a great game. I like both teams a lot so that game was fun to watch.

Grande Donkey
04-19-2008, 09:48 PM
CP3 just took over the Hornets v Mavs game in the second half. That was a great performance.

Unassisted
04-19-2008, 10:02 PM
Heartbreaker for the Suns. This will be a difficult loss to recover from emotionally.I don't think it was particularly satisfying for Spurs fans either, considering how the Spurs defense failed time after time to make a stop.

I predict that the next game in this series will be decided by 10 points or more and not necessarily with a Spurs win. One or the other team will go flat in Game 2.

SandyD
04-19-2008, 10:32 PM
CP3 just took over the Hornets v Mavs game in the second half. That was a great performance.

CP3=MVP :)

TeamSelig
04-19-2008, 11:16 PM
That Phoenix game was nice. The fouls really hurt the Suns, especially with Amare fouling out in the first OT and Shaq with 5 fouls basically the whole game it seemed like. I think if they can pull out a win in the next game, they can take the series. They really need to stop allowing Ginobili & Parker to just run in and do a simple layup almost every possession (so it seemed).

NorrisHopper30
04-20-2008, 05:13 PM
I don't feel like making all predictions BUT

UTAH will win it all.

Upset picks:

Toronto over Orlando
Denver over LAL

I've changed my picks since this and made my official bracket yesterday on facebook.

Utah vs Cavs in finals, Utah wins.

First round games (team bolded will win the second round series)
Celtics
Cavs

Raptors
Pistons

Lakers
Jazz

Suns
Mavericks

Then:

Jazz over Suns, Cavs over Pistons

Jazz over Cavs.
Mavericks

HumnHilghtFreel
04-20-2008, 08:47 PM
Sixers surprise the Pistons and steal game 1 on the road.

As I said in my first post, I think this series has a lot of potential.

goreds2
04-20-2008, 10:20 PM
Sixers surprise the Pistons and steal game 1 on the road.
As I said in my first post, I think this series has a lot of potential.

:jump:

15fan
04-21-2008, 10:03 AM
Suns making the Spurs look a little old right now.

Psssst. Remember us?

We're champs until someone knocks us off.

Duncan for 3 to send it into 2OT? :cool: The fact it happened to Shaq's team? :owned:

Chris Paul with a nice start to his playoff career, too.

TeamSelig
04-21-2008, 08:53 PM
Anyone watching the Cavs game? Haywood ejected after throwing Lebron while he is going up for a layup. Uncle Reg disagreed, but I think it was the right call. Honestly, I believe their strategy is to hit him as hard as possible when he comes in for dunks/layups/etc. and who cares if he is injured.

Previously, Stevenson finally hit a shot and made some sort of gesture. Lebron followed up with a 3 of his own on the very next possession.

Love the heat between the two though, good stuff.

MasonBuzz3
04-21-2008, 08:59 PM
Previously, Stevenson finally hit a shot and made some sort of gesture. Lebron followed up with a 3 of his own on the very next possession.

Love the heat between the two though, good stuff.

Barkley was right when he called the Wizards the dumbest team in the history of humanity. Stevenson has scored all of 8 points so far in the series, but he gives Lebron the "eyeball sandwich" and I think Brendan Haywood might want to re-think his strategy, an inspired Lebron is known to take over games, ask the 2007 Pistons

WMR
04-21-2008, 09:01 PM
I rarely make guarantees, but I'll make one here: The Spurs WILL NOT win the NBA Championship. No how, no way. They are, in my estimation, the 4th or 5th best team in the playoffs this season.

Razor Shines
04-21-2008, 09:03 PM
Anyone watching the Cavs game? Haywood ejected after throwing Lebron while he is going up for a layup. Uncle Reg disagreed, but I think it was the right call. Honestly, I believe their strategy is to hit him as hard as possible when he comes in for dunks/layups/etc. and who cares if he is injured.

Previously, Stevenson finally hit a shot and made some sort of gesture. Lebron followed up with a 3 of his own on the very next possession.

Love the heat between the two though, good stuff.

I could go either way on that one, but probably leaning slightly toward a flagrant 1. I really don't think he was trying to hurt Lebron and he really didn't hit him that hard. It was just that Lebron was in the air and I think Lebron sold it a little. Flagrant 1 for sure, and maybe a flagrant 2.

MasonBuzz3
04-21-2008, 09:04 PM
I could go either way on that one, but probably leaning slightly toward a flagrant 1. I really don't think he was trying to hurt Lebron and he really didn't hit him that hard. It was just that Lebron was in the air and I think Lebron sold it a little. Flagrant 1 for sure, and maybe a flagrant 2.

I think they went Flagrant 2 due to the fact that he made no attempt to block the shot, i.e. not a basketball move and they took into account the previous games actions

Razor Shines
04-21-2008, 09:05 PM
I rarely make guarantees, but I'll make one here: The Spurs WILL NOT win the NBA Championship. No how, no way. They are, in my estimation, the 4th or 5th best team in the playoffs this season.
I think people said that about them last year.

I don't think that they'll win it, but they're still good enough to win it and I wouldn't be shocked if they did.

Razor Shines
04-21-2008, 09:07 PM
I think they went Flagrant 2 due to the fact that he made no attempt to block the shot, i.e. not a basketball move and they took into account the previous games actions

It still could have been a flagrant 1. I think you are definitely right about taking previous incidents into account.

WMR
04-21-2008, 09:08 PM
I think people said that about them last year.

I don't think that they'll win it, but they're still good enough to win it and I wouldn't be shocked if they did.

Last year the Lakers didn't have Gasol and the Celtics were garbage.

The overall talent on the top-tier teams has surpassed the Spurs by quite a bit, IMO. Much more than any talent disparity they might have faced last season.

WMR
04-21-2008, 09:09 PM
LMAO I love seeing the Wiz getting their asses stomped. :lol: Couldn't happen to a bigger bunch of fools.

MasonBuzz3
04-21-2008, 09:16 PM
the wizards are a joke of a team. a team with three all-star players should do a little better than the 5 or 6 seed in a weak East every year and out in the first round.

btw, the Cavs seem to be coming together a little and if Wally can catch fire after tonight, they will be a dangerous team in the East again

TeamSelig
04-21-2008, 09:32 PM
Still disagree, thats a flagrant 2. How do you sell a hit in mid air? I think he was trying to hit the shot since he had about a 99% chance of being fouled in that situation.

I'm not saying that Haywood intentionally tried to HURT Lebron, but he wasn't going for the ball by any means & I think he was a little careless with his actions.

Either way, I've really started to hate the Wizards... love to see them being destroyed right now

HumnHilghtFreel
04-21-2008, 09:44 PM
Cavs just EMBARRASSED the Wizards... I LOVE IT!

goreds2
04-21-2008, 10:29 PM
Errrrr!! The Sixers game is on NBATV Wednesday. :(

Game Date Location Time Nat'l TV Local TV Local Radio

1 Sun, April 20 Philadelphia @ Detroit 6 p.m. TNT CSN - HD WIP

2 Wed, April 23 Philadelphia @ Detroit 7:30 p.m. NBATV+ CSN - HD WIP

3 Fri, April 25 Detroit @ Philadelphia 7:00 p.m. ESPN2 CSN - HD WIP

4 Sun, April 27 Detroit at Philadelphia 7:00 p.m. TNT CSN - HD WIP

5* Tues, April 29 Philadelphia @ Detroit TBD TBD CSN - HD TBD

6* Thur, May 1 Detroit @ Philadelphia TBD TBD CSN - HD TBD

7* Sat, May 3 Philadelphia at Detroit TBD TBD CSN - HD TBD

MasonBuzz3
04-22-2008, 12:08 AM
dont most cable company's provide NBAtv as a typical option...i know that we get it with Time Warner in NE OH.

Houston, predictably, is in some trouble with Utah

goreds2
04-22-2008, 05:09 AM
dont most cable company's provide NBAtv as a typical option...i know that we get it with Time Warner in NE OH.

Houston, predictably, is in some trouble with Utah

I will have to check that. Don't you have to pay extra?

SandyD
04-22-2008, 07:18 AM
It's part of the "sports/info" variety pack on cox digital cable. You pay extra for the whole pack, which covers ESPNU, ESPNCL, ESPN-news, the golf channel, a couple of horse-racing channels, versus, along with nba, nhl, and nfl networks, and the tennis channel, but it's not a lot. Have to have digital cable, tho, to get it.

Reds Fanatic
04-22-2008, 01:21 PM
NBA TV is typically on a sports package you pay extra for. If you have the MOJO HD channel they will be showing the NBA TV games in HD on that channel.

15fan
04-22-2008, 01:31 PM
Last year the Lakers didn't have Gasol and the Celtics were garbage.

The overall talent on the top-tier teams has surpassed the Spurs by quite a bit, IMO. Much more than any talent disparity they might have faced last season.

Talent is certainly important when it comes to winning a championship.

But it's not the only variable in the equation.

NorrisHopper30
04-22-2008, 01:33 PM
Utah all the way baby.

TeamSelig
04-22-2008, 02:25 PM
What do you guys think of the questionable flop call from Kirilenko?

BuckeyeRed27
04-22-2008, 03:15 PM
What do you guys think of the questionable flop call from Kirilenko?

Bad call, but not a terrible call.
I think it was in the officials mind from earlier in the game when Derron Williams was hurt on a similar type thing.

TeamSelig
04-22-2008, 03:19 PM
Yeah. Tough call to me because:

1) It actually was a foul.
2) Had little/nothing to do with the play since the player passed the ball.
3) It was the end of the game.
4) Kirilenko obviously flopped like crazy... although in regular speed it might not have been so recognizable

The flopping is getting a little ridiculous. I love it as a way to prevent people coming into the lane or carelessly sprinting around everywhere, but plays like that really annoy me. Guys like Kurt Thomas, etc. It is just a cheap way to cheat the other team of a foul.

SandyD
04-22-2008, 07:44 PM
I'm sitting here wearing my CP3 jersey, a knock off, but fun anyway

Alfred is in his Chandler jersey

And we're awaiting salad and pizza delivery

SandyD
04-22-2008, 08:11 PM
67-51 Hornets at the half

WMR
04-22-2008, 08:15 PM
LOL @ Cuban and his boys getting spanked by the upstart Hornets

Razor Shines
04-22-2008, 08:27 PM
What do you guys think of the questionable flop call from Kirilenko?

What I want to know is where did Kirilenko learn to flop? Krzyzewski invented and patented it. No one but Duke players are allowed to do it, so I've been told. :D

WMR
04-22-2008, 08:33 PM
I think he markets his flopping clinics on DVD on late-night Russian television. :redface:

SandyD
04-22-2008, 08:35 PM
DWest is having a good night

Razor Shines
04-22-2008, 09:25 PM
nm

Unassisted
04-22-2008, 11:54 PM
I predict that the next game in this series will be decided by 10 points or more and not necessarily with a Spurs win. One or the other team will go flat in Game 2.
I like my chances on this prediction. Suns definitely looked flat during that 26-11 3rd quarter. :D

WMR
04-23-2008, 12:07 AM
Does Tim Duncan have to whine like a little girl EVERY TIME he doesn't get the exact call that he wants?!?!?!?! Jeez, he is such a crybaby. Reminds me of when UK schooled him and his Deacons back in the day. :D

TeamSelig
04-23-2008, 12:17 AM
What happened to the "no whining" rule in the NBA? I think a few home court calls really hurt the Suns, along with Diaw being so ineffective, and that horrid scoring drought.

Unassisted
04-23-2008, 12:25 AM
I missed my prediction, but at least it wasn't as close as Game 1. ;)

I say the Spurs take a game in Phoenix and the series in 5. They've only ever lost one postseason series after leading 2-0.

TeamSelig
04-23-2008, 12:30 AM
It's weird how the Suns can blow away the Spurs, but then just let them take over. They really REALLY have to stop Ginobili-Parker from just running in and hitting routine layups.

15fan
04-23-2008, 06:27 AM
It's weird how the Suns can blow away the Spurs, but then just let them take over. They really REALLY have to stop Ginobili-Parker from just running in and hitting routine layups.

I think someone earlier in the thread pointed out that Phoenix was 25th in the league in team defense. Offense puts fannies in the seats, but ahem, defense wins championships. :cool:

WilyMo - which thrashing are you referring to? I vividly recall several... ;)

And ho hum, another night at the office for Chris Paul. Still can't believe that Billy Knight passed on Paul for Marvin Williams.

Oh wait. Yes, I can believe it. Billy Knight is an idiot. His fixation with 6'8" athletic forwards reminds me of JimBo and 5 tool OFs.

Paul + Joe Johnson would have been one of the top 2 or 3 backcourts in the entire league.

BuckeyeRed27
04-23-2008, 11:11 AM
Does Tim Duncan have to whine like a little girl EVERY TIME he doesn't get the exact call that he wants?!?!?!?! Jeez, he is such a crybaby. Reminds me of when UK schooled him and his Deacons back in the day. :D

The whole team does. I literally can't stand watching the Spurs play basketball. They are my least favorite sports team period.

TeamSelig
04-23-2008, 01:10 PM
Could you imagine the Suns if they had a good perimeter defender? Actually, Bruce Bowen would be perfect. He can hit the three now and then and play great D.

WMR
04-23-2008, 10:28 PM
Rajon Rondo ... 27 points ... SEVENTEEN FRIGGIN' ASSISTS ... TWO (2!!) TURNOVERS

Damn. You go Rajon.

TeamSelig
04-23-2008, 10:32 PM
I can't believe how well his offensive game has been. He was terrible at UK... I kinda wondered if he would ever come around.

Chip R
04-23-2008, 10:34 PM
Rajon Rondo ... 27 points ... SEVENTEEN FRIGGIN' ASSISTS ... TWO (2!!) TURNOVERS

Damn. You go Rajon.


Just think how good he would have been if he had gone to a school with a good basketball program. ;)

WMR
04-23-2008, 10:45 PM
Just think how good he would have been if he had gone to a school with a good basketball program. ;)

:lol:

DOH. lmao

WMR
04-23-2008, 10:48 PM
I can't believe how well his offensive game has been. He was terrible at UK... I kinda wondered if he would ever come around.

Terrible overall at UK? I'd disagree with that. He definitely was a very poor shooter at Kentucky. His defense was amazingly good, however. He set the single season steals record at UK as a freshman, IIRC.

I think one of the main reasons he struggled to find his offensive game at UK was b/c of the constraints that Tubby placed upon him. He tried to turn him into a prototypical point guard when his real game at that point in time was a slasher and a scorer. In a less restrictive system, I think he would have done MUCH better offensively in college.

He was always a great athlete, it was just a matter of repetition and growth before he developed the excellent midrange jumper that he now possesses.

15fan
04-24-2008, 08:59 AM
Rajon Rondo ... 27 points ... SEVENTEEN FRIGGIN' ASSISTS ... TWO (2!!) TURNOVERS

Damn. You go Rajon.

Chris Paul and his 35/17 from the night before say :wave:

TeamSelig
04-24-2008, 11:01 AM
Terrible overall at UK? I'd disagree with that. He definitely was a very poor shooter at Kentucky. His defense was amazingly good, however. He set the single season steals record at UK as a freshman, IIRC.

I think one of the main reasons he struggled to find his offensive game at UK was b/c of the constraints that Tubby placed upon him. He tried to turn him into a prototypical point guard when his real game at that point in time was a slasher and a scorer. In a less restrictive system, I think he would have done MUCH better offensively in college.

He was always a great athlete, it was just a matter of repetition and growth before he developed the excellent midrange jumper that he now possesses.

Terrible offensive player is what I meant. He was a great overall player. It just seemed like anything outside of a layup was asking too much.

TeamSelig
04-24-2008, 09:48 PM
Cavs being DESTROYED by 29 pts.

MasonBuzz3
04-24-2008, 10:23 PM
wizards came out and were the more physical team. they outworked the Cavs for the majority of the night. and unfortunately for Cavs' fans, like myself, this was one of those nights were every Cavalier not named Lebron left their jumper at the hotel. Cavs will need to step up the intensity Sunday for Game 4.



and deshawn stevenson is a joke of a professional athlete, he's been a disgrace to the nba since he was with utah

Edskin
04-25-2008, 08:09 AM
Thoughts on the Cavs, Mike Brown, Lebron, etc....

www.edkleese.blogspot.com

SteelSD
04-25-2008, 09:51 PM
Wow. Philly destroyed Detroit tonight. At one point late in the fourth quarter, Detroit had as many turnovers as field goals.

TeamSelig
04-26-2008, 12:15 AM
Doesn't look good for Detroit and I can't say that it doesn't make me happy :) I think they turn it on though and still have a great chance of winning the series.

Meanwhile, SA is dominating the Suns. :( They are using Hack-a-Shaq

goreds2
04-26-2008, 12:18 AM
Wow. Philly destroyed Detroit tonight. At one point late in the fourth quarter, Detroit had as many turnovers as field goals.

If my Sixers win the series, I think it would have to rate as one of the biggest NBA series upsets.

Unassisted
04-26-2008, 01:17 AM
It looks like you Suns backers are going to see your playoff brackets broken next week. The Spurs are making the series look like more of a mismatch with each successive game. :)

redsrule2500
04-26-2008, 01:26 AM
I hope the Cavs fail because I hate the city of Cleveland.

redsrule2500
04-26-2008, 01:29 AM
Thoughts on the Cavs, Mike Brown, Lebron, etc....

www.edkleese.blogspot.com

Yeah, that article lost my attention when it became complete emotional fan crap:

Lebron isn't always in "attack" mode. Even at half-speed, Lebron is better than 3/4 of the league, but there are nights where he simply decides to let the game come to him. Sometimes, he can get away with it. Sometimes, he can't.
The only thing that really matters is that Lebron always shows up when it counts. Yes, he might make things easier on himself (and Cavs fans) if he put things away a bit more quickly, but it doesn't seem to be part of his make-up.

Right. Lebron doesn't show up in attack mode, and he "gets away with it" sometimes. But he "Shows up" - yet doesn't "put things away quickly". Biggest bunch of fan spewed garbage I've read in a while....:rolleyes:

15fan
04-26-2008, 08:54 AM
It looks like you Suns backers are going to see your playoff brackets broken next week. The Spurs are making the series look like more of a mismatch with each successive game. :)

3-0 Spurs.

Defense wins championships.

Edskin
04-26-2008, 11:12 AM
Yeah, that article lost my attention when it became complete emotional fan crap:

Lebron isn't always in "attack" mode. Even at half-speed, Lebron is better than 3/4 of the league, but there are nights where he simply decides to let the game come to him. Sometimes, he can get away with it. Sometimes, he can't.
The only thing that really matters is that Lebron always shows up when it counts. Yes, he might make things easier on himself (and Cavs fans) if he put things away a bit more quickly, but it doesn't seem to be part of his make-up.

Right. Lebron doesn't show up in attack mode, and he "gets away with it" sometimes. But he "Shows up" - yet doesn't "put things away quickly". Biggest bunch of fan spewed garbage I've read in a while....:rolleyes:

But true.

TeamSelig
04-26-2008, 11:18 AM
The playoffs went from really cool to lame just because the Spurs are winning. They are a boring team IMO. I'm not sure their defense beat the Suns, its just the Suns had no flow at all and the Spurs found a very large loophole in the Suns' defense.

MasonBuzz3
04-27-2008, 09:42 PM
in the ongoing "As the Series Turns" soap opera that is round one Cavs-Wizards..... Apparently Jay-Z has released a track that disses back at deshawn stevenson. The track was played in a DC area night club on Friday night while the Cavs were in a private room, Wizard player Caron Butler was in attendence in another part of the club.

Jay-Z "Blow the Whistle" (NSFW - Explicit)
http://www.eighty81.com/v2/audio/playoff.mp3

Razor Shines
04-28-2008, 02:34 PM
The playoffs went from really cool to lame just because the Spurs are winning. They are a boring team IMO. I'm not sure their defense beat the Suns, its just the Suns had no flow at all and the Spurs found a very large loophole in the Suns' defense.

Not sure how the Spurs are boring, but I would have to disagree with you saying that the Spurs D is not beating the Suns. Yesterday was the first time the Suns scored 100 in regulation. I'd say that's pretty good D against a team who averaged 110ppg in the regular season.

I agree that the Spurs have found a loophole in the Suns' D and that loophole is the Suns' D. I like the Suns a lot and Steve Nash is probably my favorite player in the NBA, but against some teams he is a liability on defense. When the Shaq/Marion trade was made a lot of people were saying that the Suns got better defensively, but I said at the time that I didn't understand how trading one of the best defenders in the NBA would make them better defensively.

TeamSelig
04-28-2008, 05:28 PM
Just don't find their play entertaining. Constant whining, Bowen getting away with fouls because he is a known defender, flopping (all teams do this but they take it to another level), etc.

improbus
04-28-2008, 05:29 PM
Not sure how the Spurs are boring, but I would have to disagree with you saying that the Spurs D is not beating the Suns. Yesterday was the first time the Suns scored 100 in regulation. I'd say that's pretty good D against a team who averaged 110ppg in the regular season.

I agree that the Spurs have found a loophole in the Suns' D and that loophole is the Suns' D. I like the Suns a lot and Steve Nash is probably my favorite player in the NBA, but against some teams he is a liability on defense. When the Shaq/Marion trade was made a lot of people were saying that the Suns got better defensively, but I said at the time that I didn't understand how trading one of the best defenders in the NBA would make them better defensively.

Nash gets lit up by everyone. Phoenix misplaced their hope with Shaq. Duncan will always get his. He is too good to be "shut down". Instead, they need Parker and Ginobili stoppers. They are the real problem. If you let Duncan go crazy but shut down the other two, you stand a good chance of winning.

TeamSelig
04-28-2008, 05:31 PM
Shaq does a good job on Duncan IMO. But yeah, Ginobili/Parker must be stopped.

Razor Shines
04-28-2008, 06:09 PM
Just don't find their play entertaining. Constant whining, Bowen getting away with fouls because he is a known defender, flopping (all teams do this but they take it to another level), etc.

You could say that stuff about pretty much any team in the NBA.

I think the Spurs are very entertaining. IMO they do almost everything right. They can play slow or they can run up and down if they have to. They play defense and they rebound. I guess it's boring to some but I like solid, fundamental basketball.

HumnHilghtFreel
04-28-2008, 06:26 PM
You could say that stuff about pretty much any team in the NBA.

I think the Spurs are very entertaining. IMO they do almost everything right. They can play slow or they can run up and down if they have to. They play defense and they rebound. I guess it's boring to some but I like solid, fundamental basketball.

I agree, I definitely don't think they're boring. Maybe Tim "The Big Fundamental" Duncan is a bit. But Tony Parker and Manu are very exciting young players. Manu is worth the price of admission himself, IMO.

15fan
04-28-2008, 08:40 PM
Don't look now, but after a slow start in game 4, the Hawks are taking it to the Celtics. Up 5 after 1 quarter.

The Celtics officially have a fight on their hands.

TeamSelig
04-28-2008, 10:34 PM
It's just amazing how Parker and Ginobili rarely get blocked, yet 90% of their shots are right under the basket (mainly Parker).

BuckeyeRed27
04-28-2008, 10:34 PM
Wow looks like someone forgot to tell Atlanta they were supposed to roll over and play dead

goreds2
04-28-2008, 10:52 PM
http://www.nba.com/playoffs2008/index.html

15fan
04-28-2008, 10:58 PM
I just stayed up until 11pm on a Monday night to watch a Hawks game.

Glad I did, too.

Reds Fanatic
04-28-2008, 11:08 PM
Hard to believe the Hawks have tied this series up. First games of this series looked like one of the biggest mismatches in playoff history.

15fan
04-29-2008, 09:11 AM
As the 4th quarter wore on, you could see Garnett/Pierce/Allen getting the deer-in-the-headlights look. Joe Johnson was a one man wrecking crew.

The defining moment of the series, though, may have been in the 1st half of game 4. Garnett was frustrated and threw a pretty weak elbow at Zaza Pachulia. Pachulia got right back in KG's grill and didn't back down until they were separated.

Reading the paper this morning, it's clear that the Hawks know they've gotten into the heads of the Celtics. Doc Rivers and his crew have 36 hours to get themselves squared away. Otherwise, they're in really bad shape.

Unassisted
04-29-2008, 09:38 AM
Shaq does a good job on Duncan IMO. But yeah, Ginobili/Parker must be stopped.
Your reference to the Spurs big three provides an excellent segue into this story (http://www.news-record.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080425/NRSTAFF/804250304).


Naming son after basketball players a Spurs-of-the-moment decision

By Margaret Moffett Banks
Staff Writer
Friday, Apr. 25, 2008 3:00 am
http://bjimg.sv.publicus.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=BJ&Date=20080425&Category=NRSTAFF&ArtNo=804250304&Ref=AR&MaxW=360&Border=0 Credit: Nelson Kepley/News & Record
Parker Duncan Ginobili Till, 2, sits on the lap of his father, John Till.

GREENSBORO -- Meet Parker Duncan Ginobili Till -- age 2 and oblivious to the San Antonio Spurs' playoff run, which continues tonight against the Phoenix Suns.

Mommy and Daddy, however, are far from oblivious. They love the Spurs.

How much?

Let's go back to spring 2005: The Spurs are fighting to win the NBA championship. And Rhonda Till is incubating a little bundle of joy. An unexpected bundle. A surprise, you might say.

They have no idea what to call him.

So as they watch the playoffs, San Antonio natives Rhonda (now 44) and John Till (now 40) mull names.

Parker's nice, they agree, while point guard Tony Parker does his floor general bit.

Duncan's not so bad either, John suggests, as former Wake Forest star Tim Duncan leaps over players to score a basket.

Rhonda approves. Then John goes too far.

"What about Ginobili?" he says, referring to Argentinian guard Emanuel David "Manu" Ginobili. "He's the other superstar on the team. We've got to have him in."

An adamant Rhonda says: "No way."

Several months later, Parker is born. And in what John calls a "weak moment." Rhonda consented to Ginobili.

So far, the decision has worked out. The NBA showered the baby with gifts. T-shirts, a stuffed bear, an itty-bitty version of the championship trophy.

And the three players are good role models who "exemplify teamwork," John Till said.

Lucky for Parker his parents weren't fans of the 2006-07 L.A. Lakers:
Kobe Smush Radmanovich Till?

NJReds
04-29-2008, 10:01 AM
It will be interesting to see if Garnett is suspended for shoving referee Eddie Rush. Also Marvin Williams (Hawks) and somebody from the Celtics may get a 1-game ban for wandering off the bench during the Garnett-Pachulia confrontation. David Stern was at the game.

TeamSelig
04-29-2008, 02:41 PM
LOL that is hilarious

goreds2
04-29-2008, 08:06 PM
My Sixers not doing too well at the moment.

http://www.nba.com/games/20080429/PHIDET/gameinfo.html?nav=scoreboardhome

76ers 21 17 38
Pistons 35 17 52
2nd 1:39 WATCH HIGHLIGHTS
Pistons

WMR
04-29-2008, 09:34 PM
Mavericks eliminated.

Chris Paul = Half man, half amazing

TeamSelig
04-29-2008, 09:49 PM
^ very little man, mostly amazing

Go Suns! It is basically over for them, but I'm still hoping/praying for a win.

Boston Red
04-29-2008, 09:54 PM
Mavericks eliminated.

Chris Paul = Half man, half amazing

That West guy doesn't suck either.

goreds2
04-29-2008, 10:21 PM
^ very little man, mostly amazing

Go Suns! It is basically over for them, but I'm still hoping/praying for a win.

Gotta love the Shaq. I was hoping his team would play KOBE's.

http://www.nba.com/games/20080429/PHXSAS/gameinfo.html

TeamSelig
04-30-2008, 12:28 AM
Yep. Should have pulled this one out. Too many errors towards the end.

WMR
04-30-2008, 01:23 AM
Steve Nash should be drug tested. I think he got into Josh Howard's stash.

Unassisted
04-30-2008, 09:25 AM
One of the local newspaper columnists made an interesting observation I'd never realized about the rivalry between Shaq and Duncan. He said that since Michael Jordan has retired, either Shaq or Duncan has appeared in every NBA Finals. I guess we know now who will be in the Finals if that streak is to continue this year.

15fan
04-30-2008, 09:27 AM
One of the local newspaper columnists made an interesting observation I'd never realized about the rivalry between Shaq and Duncan. He said that since Michael Jordan has retired, either Shaq or Duncan has appeared in every NBA Finals. I guess we know now who will be in the Finals if that streak is to continue this year.

Which Jordan retirement was he referencing? ;)

15fan
04-30-2008, 09:33 AM
I'd like to poll the audience on the lack of disciplinary actions against Garnett after his shove of the ref in Game 4.

About 18 seconds into the clip, one of the zebras tries to wrap up KG and keep him out of the fracas. KG swats him away like a rag doll.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2bh6u8_VW8

For the sake of comparison, I'll remind everyone that Pete Rose got a 30 game suspension for bumping an ump.

But nothing for KG?

Unassisted
04-30-2008, 09:49 AM
Which Jordan retirement was he referencing? ;)His retirement as on-court spokesperson for Nike. :D

NJReds
04-30-2008, 10:08 AM
I'd like to poll the audience on the lack of disciplinary actions against Garnett after his shove of the ref in Game 4.

About 18 seconds into the clip, one of the zebras tries to wrap up KG and keep him out of the fracas. KG swats him away like a rag doll.

For the sake of comparison, I'll remind everyone that Pete Rose got a 30 game suspension for bumping an ump.

But nothing for KG?

KG should be suspended for at least 1 game, if not two.

And unless the rule changed and I didn't hear about it, the two guys that stepped away from the bench should be suspended.

Patrick Ewing was suspended for taking 2 steps off the bench on the opposite end of the court in the Knicks-Heat playoff game. He was over 90 feet away. Amare Stoudemire was suspended last year for a similar infraction.

Unassisted
04-30-2008, 05:19 PM
The Mavs just fired Avery Johnson.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hItrG_201rB28kcmbzrGqCWq9JnAD90CC6DG0

WMR
04-30-2008, 05:26 PM
"Aw man, I got fired!" ::me doing my Avery Johnson impression::

WMR
04-30-2008, 10:53 PM
Dick Bavetta was getting ready to call a charge on Joe Johnson but the other referee called the block before he could.

Bavetta was in the perfect place to see the play. The referee who made the call was in the absolute worst place to decide whether it was a block or a charge.

WMR
04-30-2008, 10:54 PM
Damn Ray Allen is on FIIIIIRRREEEEE

MasonBuzz3
05-02-2008, 10:24 PM
King James with his best performance since last year's ECF, not too mention Wally and Boobie finding their shots, ended the Wizards season.....again. If the Cavs can get consistent shooting from their backcourt, look out Celtics...or Hawks.

TeamSelig
05-03-2008, 02:31 AM
Nice of the Hawks refs to help them win. Glad to see an off the ball foul under 2-3 min. for a guys 6th foul. :( Boo!

klw
05-03-2008, 08:14 AM
Even as a Celtics fan and knowing about that call and all the trips the Hawks took to the line, the Celtics have only themsleves to blame for last night or the Hawks being in the series. They have often let teams back into games this year and have not finished off teams at times. At times in the season it was happening as Doc was evaluating players and not wanting to overdue starters playing times but at other times their offense just gets completely out of sinc. Towards the end as KG was not putting up the open 10 footer it weemmed like for a stretch no one wanted the ball. I just hope Pierce's T is the dumbest thing he does in the playoffs.

WMR
05-04-2008, 12:57 AM
DAMN!

Hornets just BEAT THAT ASS.

reds44
05-04-2008, 12:58 AM
Game 1 tomorrow.

Les do it!

WMR
05-04-2008, 01:02 AM
I think Lakers will win, but the Jazz are going to give them an excellent test.

WMR
05-04-2008, 01:07 AM
I loved seeing Bruce Bowen get the hard foul put ON him for once. :lol:

Boston Red
05-04-2008, 01:10 AM
Spurs had no answer for David West.

Unassisted
05-04-2008, 08:47 AM
It's been rare this season that the Spurs haven't rebounded from a dismantling like they received in Game 1. They'll hit the video and figure out what they need to do to turn it around.

BTW, I will be in attendance for Game 4, next Sunday evening.

Stewie
05-04-2008, 09:13 AM
Chris Paul is incredible.

A 9 to 1 assist to turnover ratio so far through the playoffs isn't too shabby.

snowstorm
05-04-2008, 11:07 PM
Before the series started, I felt that the Hornets would win the series in 6 games. The Spurs didn't show me anything on Saturday to make me think otherwise.

Razor Shines
05-05-2008, 12:11 AM
I'd be suprised if Duncan doesn't have a great game Monday night. He's way too good to expect the Hornets to hold him down like they did in game one. If they can then obviously they'll walk through this series.

Roy Tucker
05-06-2008, 01:27 PM
I am really impressed with the Hornets.

The true test will come when they play in San Antonio in front of a hostile crowd.

Nice to see David West play well.

Unassisted
05-06-2008, 01:57 PM
The last time the Spurs recovered from being down 0-2 in a playoff series was the 2001 Western Conference finals against the Lakers. They find themselves in a big hole now, but it's not an unprecedented challenge.

Byron Scott deserves a lot of credit for molding this young Hornets group into a team that does a lot of things right.

WMR
05-06-2008, 01:57 PM
Is Una getting a little nervous?

What's the mood like in S.A.?

Unassisted
05-06-2008, 02:13 PM
Is Una getting a little nervous?

What's the mood like in S.A.?Definitely uneasy. The fans were expecting the Phoenix series to be the tougher of the two. Now that all 4 of the Hornets wins against the Spurs this season have been blowouts, there's plenty of reason to squirm.

15fan
05-06-2008, 03:37 PM
Here's a suggestion for SA when NO runs the pick & roll with CP:

Have the defender drop down below the screen and jam the lane with Duncan. Make CP beat you from outside.

Switching, or trying to fight over the screen puts the defender behind CP, allowing Paul and his big man to play 2-on-1 against Duncan. Duncan's good, but not that good. No one can defend that. Keep Paul out of the lane, or at least keep both defenders in front of him & you'll be in much better shape. He's killing SA with his ability to get into the lane and finish or find the big man.

NO is also playing very aggressively on D. Instead of dragging the defender out top & letting them get in the passing lanes, I'd like to see more backdoor cuts to the basket. Keep the NO perimeter defenders honest. Make them pay if they overplay.

WMR
05-06-2008, 03:43 PM
Try to bait Paul into smacking one of your players in the nuts and hope he gets suspended. :redface:

TeamSelig
05-06-2008, 03:51 PM
Nice to see SA get dominated for a change.

HumnHilghtFreel
05-06-2008, 11:04 PM
LeBron just had one of the worst nights I have ever seen... at least from him.

2-18 0-6 from 3. 10 turnovers

If Ray Allen and Paul Pierce weren't just as bad, it would have been a laugher.

WMR
05-06-2008, 11:05 PM
Barkley is raising some interesting points on the coaching gaffes of the Cavaliers coaching staff.

WMR
05-06-2008, 11:05 PM
You get your games in the mail yet, Humn?

HumnHilghtFreel
05-06-2008, 11:16 PM
You get your games in the mail yet, Humn?

They sent some other stuff because the ones I asked for were in low availability, I'm trying again lol

WMR
05-06-2008, 11:20 PM
They sent some other stuff because the ones I asked for were in low availability, I'm trying again lol

haha :)

MasonBuzz3
05-06-2008, 11:27 PM
Lebron shows that he is human. His shots were just not falling, and he got frustrated and was settling for long jumpers. I would expect a big game 2 from Lebron, but the Cavs missed a huge opportunity to steal a road win

TeamSelig
05-06-2008, 11:46 PM
Lebron seemed to be "tired" during the parts that I watched. Maybe not physically, but mentally. Not sure if he wasn't feeling well or just simply had a bad game. I look for him to bounce back as well, but who knows.

Roy Tucker
05-07-2008, 09:40 AM
Barkley is raising some interesting points on the coaching gaffes of the Cavaliers coaching staff.

I was saying the same thing. Cleveland may play good D, but their offense is Stone Age.

Basically, Cleveland's offense is give the ball to Lebron at the top of the key and let him dribble around till he finds an opening. I've seen high school teams run more sophisticated offenses. It's a tribute to Lebron's skill that he was able to even get off fairly decent shots.

That was one of the ugliest games I've seen in a long time. Worse than the "Bad Boy" era Pistons.

HumnHilghtFreel
05-07-2008, 09:52 AM
I was saying the same thing. Cleveland may play good D, but their offense is Stone Age.

Basically, Cleveland's offense is give the ball to Lebron at the top of the key and let him dribble around till he finds an opening. I've seen high school teams run more sophisticated offenses. It's a tribute to Lebron's skill that he was able to even get off fairly decent shots.

That was one of the ugliest games I've seen in a long time. Worse than the "Bad Boy" era Pistons.

The Cavs really do only have one play. Iso LeBron.

The high pick and roll with Zydrunas is as complex as it gets. They run no real offensive sets, have absolutely no off-ball movement.

I can't even imagine the numbers LeBron could be capable of in an offense with any kind of fluidity. What makes it worse is, post-trade having Delonte West gives them a PG who is capable of handling the ball to get LBJ chances to work off the wing, but they don't utilize him nearly enough, as he's looked more than willing to defer to James.

Maybe they should bring in D'Antoni as an assistant now that he's looking for work:)

WMR
05-07-2008, 02:52 PM
Oh my gawd, can you imagine LeBron in D'Antoni's system? :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

HumnHilghtFreel
05-07-2008, 02:56 PM
Oh my gawd, can you imagine LeBron in D'Antoni's system? :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

:laugh: no actually I couldn't... it would be ridiculously awesome

WMR
05-08-2008, 01:07 AM
It still boggles my mind when I think about how the Lakers got Pau Gasol basically for FREE.

WMR
05-08-2008, 01:20 AM
:laugh: no actually I couldn't... it would be ridiculously awesome

You ever quit wussing around and get your copy of NBA 2K8 you'll see what it would look like firsthand!! :owned:

reds44
05-08-2008, 01:30 AM
2-0.

Get me one in Utah.

Roy Tucker
05-08-2008, 08:43 AM
It still boggles my mind when I think about how the Lakers got Pau Gasol basically for FREE.

Wasn't just in October that Kobe was slamming the franchise and wanting out?

And now Kobe is MVP, the Lakers won the West, and they look like a juggernaut. They turned that team around fast.

Utah has always been that team that is pretty good, but not dominant. Even in the Stockton-Malone days, they just couldn't get quite over the hump. I still have my copy of "Basketball Stars of 1964" that has Jerry Sloan being drafted in the 3rd round out of Evansville by Baltimore. Hank Finkel went in the 4th round.

WMR
05-08-2008, 08:46 AM
Yep, adding one of the top 5 power-forwards in the NBA w/o losing any piece of value will do that for a franchise. Amazing how things change! :laugh:

HOW DUMB DO THE BULLS FEEL?? They could have had Kobe, but refused to give up Luol Deng??? LOL

Unassisted
05-08-2008, 09:18 AM
It still boggles my mind when I think about how the Lakers got Pau Gasol basically for FREE.I suspect the Spurs' trade of Luis Scola to Houston for cap room could prove to be an even more lopsided deal.

RBA
05-08-2008, 09:31 AM
I think Lakers will win, but the Jazz are going to give them an excellent test.


Did the Lakers get the Teacher's Edition with the answers for their test?

WMR
05-08-2008, 09:44 AM
Did the Lakers get the Teacher's Edition with the answers for their test?

LMAO, you made me LOL with that one.

WMR
05-08-2008, 09:44 AM
I suspect the Spurs' trade of Luis Scola to Houston for cap room could prove to be an even more lopsided deal.

You think so? Scola is a nice player and all, but Gasol is truly an All-NBA caliber talent.

BuckeyeRed27
05-08-2008, 12:16 PM
I'm a Jazz fan and these first two games have been very very frustrating. The officiating in the first quarter last night was shameless. Now the Jazz had plently of chances that they didn't take advantage of down the stretch, but David Stern put them in a giant hole.

Jack Burton
05-08-2008, 12:18 PM
It still boggles my mind when I think about how the Lakers got Pau Gasol basically for FREE.

I agree, who was responsible for that trade from memphis because it needs to be looked into.

BTW, Gasol looks like a dodo bird.

TeamSelig
05-08-2008, 03:17 PM
Yeah, Gasol >>>>>>>>>> Scola. Scola would fit right in with SA though.

Memphis could have gotten a way better deal IMO. But just imagine if LA would have accepted the Indy deal of Bynum + Odom based deal for Jermaine O'Neal.

O'Neal
Gasol
Walton
Kobe
Fisher

As for the Cavs, they just really need a good #2 who can initiate scoring. Hughes wasn't too bad at it, but he just couldn't stay healthy. They have Lebron surrounded by just average players. They need someone good enough to help handle some of the load when Lebron has an off night (plus the fact that all 5 guard him). Igauskas just doesn't have it like he used to.

MasonBuzz3
05-08-2008, 04:15 PM
As for the Cavs, they just really need a good #2 who can initiate scoring. Hughes wasn't too bad at it, but he just couldn't stay healthy. They have Lebron surrounded by just average players. They need someone good enough to help handle some of the load when Lebron has an off night (plus the fact that all 5 guard him). Igauskas just doesn't have it like he used to.

Hughes was a horrible fit in Cleveland. He is a much better scorer when slashing and cutting to the basket without the ball, he was miscast as a ballhandler with the Cavs. The Cavs panicked in signing Hughes when they wanted Redd or Joe Johnson, either of those two would have been outstanding. The Cavs need someone else to run the offense instead of Lebron, the lack of a PG is the biggest weakness for the Cavs IMO.
Z is having one of the best seasons in his career, he is one of the top C in the league. His ability to hit the 15-18 ft jumper is huge in the simplistic offense of the Cavs.

Unassisted
05-08-2008, 04:31 PM
Yeah, Gasol >>>>>>>>>> Scola. Scola would fit right in with SA though.

OK, I'll concede that point. After years of hearing that the Spurs didn't have a place for him, I've been impressed with what I've seen of Scola and how he stepped up to put the Rockets into playoff-contention. He may not be MVP-caliber, but he is a difference-maker. I look forward to seeing what his NBA ceiling is in years to come.

BuckeyeRed27
05-08-2008, 05:21 PM
Memphis could have gotten a way better deal IMO. But just imagine if LA would have accepted the Indy deal of Bynum + Odom based deal for Jermaine O'Neal.

O'Neal
Gasol
Walton
Kobe
Fisher



I think the Lakers are better off right now than with this line up (with Bynum healthy of course).

Razor Shines
05-08-2008, 05:30 PM
I think the Lakers are better off right now than with this line up (with Bynum healthy of course).

I agree. As a Pacer fan I'd have taken either Bynum or Odom for O'Neal.

WMR
05-08-2008, 05:54 PM
Just imagine how good they'll be next season with a fully healthy Bynum. :eek: Scary.

(I wouldn't have given up Bynum for O'Neal. No way, no how. Bynum is the real deal and he's barely begun to scratch the surface of his ceiling/abilities. Think Dwight Howard and Chris Bosh.)

TeamSelig
05-08-2008, 07:43 PM
Nah, this was his third year which 90% of the time is your ceiling. 13-10. His scoring will probably go up to maybe 15-16 and 10.

But I read that he is having another surgery??

WMR
05-08-2008, 07:44 PM
Not when you're drafted as an 18 year old.

TeamSelig
05-08-2008, 08:59 PM
Garnett 3rd season - 18.5/9.6 (career avg: 20.4/11.2)
Howard 3rd season - 17.6/8.8 (this past season: 20.7/10.8)
Kobe 3rd season - 19.9/5.3 (career avg: 25/5.3)

There isn't a huge amount of improvement beyond your third season. I think Bynum will be a 14-11 or something close. He is not the next Shaq or Dwight Howard. I am just stuck reading alot of crap from Lakers fans so I apologize, I just think he is overrated. Good player but not going to be a superstar center in the league.

As for Hughes, I meant he was a pretty good scorer. Didn't really fit in, but is better than Wally who can't really guard anyone. Like I said, they need a good #2... someone like Mike Miller, Hedo Turkolu, Peja, etc.

Ilgauskas hasn't had a career year. He is slightly below career average in every stat except for rebounding which he has done well in. Just seems to be getting abused down low, although I will admit I haven't watched a ton of Cleveland games.

WMR
05-08-2008, 09:04 PM
The player that really would have been perfect for them is Michael Redd. The Bucks were simply able to offer him more money.

SandyD
05-08-2008, 09:17 PM
http://photos.nola.com/photos/4687a1507a85bf83db344474b472ef08_150.jpg

from nola.com, fan posted

That's Peja, btw

SandyD
05-08-2008, 09:22 PM
http://www.nola.com/hornets/t-p/wide.ssf?/photos/t-p/BugginOut/BugginOut.swf

also from nola.com: flash game; hornets spurs

WMR
05-08-2008, 09:38 PM
Sandy: Are you getting excited? ;)

SandyD
05-08-2008, 09:41 PM
I'm wearing a Hugo bracelet given at Gordon Biersch one night. My rally towel is close at hand.

I'd be at a "watch party" somewhere, but it's kind of late, and Alfred is still working, so I have to watch this one home alone.

We're trying for game 5 tickets.

WMR
05-08-2008, 09:42 PM
Oh wow that would be exciting to get them!! Perhaps an elimination game??? ;)

Wonder how much they'll run you in the N.O. market?

TeamSelig
05-08-2008, 09:49 PM
The player that really would have been perfect for them is Michael Redd. The Bucks were simply able to offer him more money.

I agree. I think even a guy like Mike Dunleavy Jr. would be enough.

SandyD
05-08-2008, 09:58 PM
I think they're starting around $50 for top rows, upper level, baseline. I think the lowest price lower level seats are c $130.

But Alfred knows someone who has tickets he may not be able to use. (has to be at work WAY too early for a late game on a weeknight.)

WMR
05-08-2008, 10:08 PM
There might not be a game 5!! :eek:

SandyD
05-08-2008, 10:15 PM
I don't think the Spurs'll let that happen. The season series between these two teams is 2-2, and historically, the Hornets do poorly in SA.

WMR
05-08-2008, 10:16 PM
Yeah I'd be amazed if they swept them.

Razor Shines
05-08-2008, 10:29 PM
Garnett 3rd season - 18.5/9.6 (career avg: 20.4/11.2)
Howard 3rd season - 17.6/8.8 (this past season: 20.7/10.8)
Kobe 3rd season - 19.9/5.3 (career avg: 25/5.3)

There isn't a huge amount of improvement beyond your third season. I think Bynum will be a 14-11 or something close. He is not the next Shaq or Dwight Howard. I am just stuck reading alot of crap from Lakers fans so I apologize, I just think he is overrated. Good player but not going to be a superstar center in the league.

As for Hughes, I meant he was a pretty good scorer. Didn't really fit in, but is better than Wally who can't really guard anyone. Like I said, they need a good #2... someone like Mike Miller, Hedo Turkolu, Peja, etc.

Ilgauskas hasn't had a career year. He is slightly below career average in every stat except for rebounding which he has done well in. Just seems to be getting abused down low, although I will admit I haven't watched a ton of Cleveland games.

Well Bynum is playing on a really good team right now. You don't think that his numbers would have been better if he had been the main option on his team? I think Bynum will easily be a 20+/12+ guy if he is given the chance.

TeamSelig
05-09-2008, 12:34 AM
Gasol was traded to them after Bynum went down.

Razor Shines
05-09-2008, 01:06 AM
Gasol was traded to them after Bynum went down.

Oh, thanks. I know when he was traded, but the team he was on at the beginning of the season was still very good. He only started 25 games. He was only playing 28 min. per game. He was only averaging 8 shots per game. In Garnett's third season he started every game, played 39 min. agame, and averaged 16 shots per game. I think it's likely that Bynum's production would have gone up a lot had he played the whole season. So again, if he is given the chance I think Bynum will easily be a 20+ ppg scorer in the NBA.

Roy Tucker
05-09-2008, 08:26 AM
That 3rd quarter of the Hornets-Spurs game was the best pro basketball I've seen in a long time. Spurs aren't going down without a fight.

If I were Lebron, I'd threaten to leave Cleveland unless they got a who could coach NBA-level offense. What a waste of extraordinary talent.

Unassisted
05-09-2008, 09:32 AM
I think they're starting around $50 for top rows, upper level, baseline. I think the lowest price lower level seats are c $130.

My game 4 tickets here were $34, upper level in the corner. The $17 tickets were sold out, but I was curious where they could be. AFAIK, there are no obstructed-view seats in the AT&T Center. :D

I think the most expensive tickets available when I bought mine were around $1100.

Originally, game 4 was scheduled to start at 8:00 on Sunday, but was moved back to 7:00. I might actually get home before midnight. :)

15fan
05-09-2008, 11:15 AM
That 3rd quarter of the Hornets-Spurs game was the best pro basketball I've seen in a long time. Spurs aren't going down without a fight.


I only watched the 1st half, and that was some serious ball as well.

My only other observation is that someone needs to get Manu Ginobili enrolled in the hair club for men. Pronto.

Roy Tucker
05-09-2008, 11:24 AM
I only watched the 1st half, and that was some serious ball as well.



Yep, I agree. That last 5 pts in 2.8 seconds the Spurs scored turned the worm I think. I also think they got the advantage of a home time keeper.

The 3rd quarter was the Hornets holding off the Spurs for the better part of the quarter. Parker and Paul were going at it, tooth and nail. Been a long time since I've seen guard play like that. Parker is so unbelievably quick and gets past people and to the hoop more than anyone I can recall. Paul is more dipsey-doo but equally effective.

The last 3-4 minutes, the Spurs put the pedal to the metal and got a lead they never lost.

I wanted to watch the 4th quarter, but it was way past my bedtime.

SandyD
05-11-2008, 08:10 PM
ua is at the ATT center for the game tonight, and I WILL be at the Arena for game 5. Second row from the top, but guess what ... I don't care.

TeamSelig
05-11-2008, 10:04 PM
Oh, thanks. I know when he was traded, but the team he was on at the beginning of the season was still very good. He only started 25 games. He was only playing 28 min. per game. He was only averaging 8 shots per game. In Garnett's third season he started every game, played 39 min. agame, and averaged 16 shots per game. I think it's likely that Bynum's production would have gone up a lot had he played the whole season. So again, if he is given the chance I think Bynum will easily be a 20+ ppg scorer in the NBA.

higher MPG does not = higher PPG

15fan
05-12-2008, 09:09 AM
Defending champs bounce back. All square at 2.

SA vs. NO, best of 3.

Giddyup!!!

Unassisted
05-12-2008, 10:29 AM
ua is at the ATT center for the game tonight, and I WILL be at the Arena for game 5. Second row from the top, but guess what ... I don't care.I was 3 rows from the top in the corner. (Lower-right corner as you would see the court on TV.) It was amazing how I and the other amateur referees around me could see fouls and traveling so much better from there than the professional refs on the court! :D

The AT&T Center was as loud as I've ever heard it for a basketball game. The thing that most impressed me about the Spurs play last night was the rebounding. It seemed like they were grabbing the loose ball extremely well on both ends of the court.

The local sports radio folks I listened to on the way home are supremely confident about the Spurs chances in Game 5. I hope they're right.

Unassisted
05-12-2008, 10:31 AM
My only other observation is that someone needs to get Manu Ginobili enrolled in the hair club for men. Pronto.
Last night I discovered that the advantage to Manu's thinning hair for fans is that it makes it easy to find him on the floor from the nosebleed seats. ;)

Roy Tucker
05-12-2008, 10:36 AM
Shows you how much I know about the NBA. I thought both the Spurs and Jazz were dead men walking after being down 2-0. I imagine both series will go 7 with the home team winning game 7.

Celtics need to learn how to win on the playoff road. There is just no way they should look so good at home and look so bad at Cleveland.

Orlando blew that game yesterday. Turkoglu is a much better player that I remember him being. Non-US players seem to be taking over the NBA.

MWM
05-12-2008, 10:38 AM
Jerry Sloan is perhaps the most under-appreciated coaches of all time.

SandyD
05-12-2008, 08:09 PM
I was 3 rows from the top in the corner. (Lower-right corner as you would see the court on TV.) It was amazing how I and the other amateur referees around me could see fouls and traveling so much better from there than the professional refs on the court! :D

The AT&T Center was as loud as I've ever heard it for a basketball game. The thing that most impressed me about the Spurs play last night was the rebounding. It seemed like they were grabbing the loose ball extremely well on both ends of the court.

The local sports radio folks I listened to on the way home are supremely confident about the Spurs chances in Game 5. I hope they're right.

I don't. :p:

Razor Shines
05-12-2008, 10:32 PM
higher MPG does not = higher PPG

Higher MPG would probably = more Shots PG. He shot almost 70% from the field this year, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that his PPG would have gone up, but you can think what you want.

MasonBuzz3
05-12-2008, 11:22 PM
btw, Cavs in 6

Betterread
05-13-2008, 12:10 AM
James threw down on KG with no attempt to challenge. Initially, I was contemptuous of KG, but then I thought, good for him not to cynically commit a hard foul like the rest of the C's just so LeBron wouldn't get to dunk it. Good sportsmanship, KG. Too bad you didn't learn the Celtics way to play.

MasonBuzz3
05-13-2008, 12:34 AM
seems that KG just happened to get there late for the hard foul.....or King James was too strong
http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/getty/28/fullj.a76188318280ca38b5771b4106fb63cd/a76188318280ca38b5771b4106fb63cd-getty-80391808cc068_boston_celtic.jpg

MWM
05-13-2008, 01:33 AM
Uh, what is KG doing with his left hand? :evil:

TeamSelig
05-13-2008, 01:34 AM
Hmm... so you think he can continue shooting 70% with more shots, starter minutes, playing almost every night? Considering no one in the NBA really came that close to shooting 70%... I think he gets tired and % drops. His points seemed to be oops, put backs, easy buckets, etc. Could be wrong though. Anyways, I'm not trying to hijack the thread.

Glad to see KG posterized :D

Roy Tucker
05-13-2008, 11:07 AM
I don't get how the Celtics can look so good at home and play so bad on the road.

I know NBA road playoff wins are tough to come by, but this team won 66 games. Both Cleveland and Atlanta are flawed teams. The C's ought to smoking them if they are so good.

That was an incredible dunk by Lebron last night. You don't often hear the network announcers go "whooooaaaa".

Unassisted
05-13-2008, 11:23 AM
The "highlight" of LeBron yelling at his mother to "Sit... down!" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CN_in9qabG4) during the game last night made the news here.

Chip R
05-13-2008, 11:36 AM
I don't get how the Celtics can look so good at home and play so bad on the road.

I know NBA road playoff wins are tough to come by, but this team won 66 games. Both Cleveland and Atlanta are flawed teams. The C's ought to smoking them if they are so good.

That was an incredible dunk by Lebron last night. You don't often hear the network announcers go "whooooaaaa".


None of the road teams - except for DET seem to be covering themselves in glory now. Both the Spurs and Lakers lost their road games this round.

Roy Tucker
05-13-2008, 01:38 PM
None of the road teams - except for DET seem to be covering themselves in glory now. Both the Spurs and Lakers lost their road games this round.

That's true. But I expected the West to be a dogfight. LA won 57 games, San Antonio and New Orleans won 56, and Utah won 54 so they are all pretty evenly matched.

Whereas in the East, Boston won 66 games, Cleveland won 45 (21 games back), and Atlanta won 37 (29 games behind). I expected Boston to handle these teams relatively easily. Detriot will be much tougher.

MasonBuzz3
05-13-2008, 01:56 PM
Road wins should be hard to come by in the second round of the playoffs. There are no Bobcats, Grizzlies, Sonics, Heat, or Knicks to beat up on the road. These are the top four teams in each conference, nothing should come easy. The East is shaping up like many people thought, with the top three being separated from the four seed. The West is looking like there is some potential for a couple of seven game series. The playoffs have been great so far, imo. The TV ratings agree, up about 20% over last year. The NBA playoffs are truly something special.

Btw, I have absolutely no problem with Lebron telling Gloria to "sit her *** down." In my time working for the Cavs, I can not tell you how many people would love to say similar things to that woman. She is one of a kind.

Razor Shines
05-13-2008, 05:51 PM
Hmm... so you think he can continue shooting 70% with more shots, starter minutes, playing almost every night? Considering no one in the NBA really came that close to shooting 70%... I think he gets tired and % drops. His points seemed to be oops, put backs, easy buckets, etc. Could be wrong though. Anyways, I'm not trying to hijack the thread.


No I never said he'd shoot near 70%. I did say that if he gets more shots and minutes that his PPG WILL go up. And that's where this whole thing started. You said Bynum won't be a star because of his 3rd year compared to KG, D Howard and Kobe's 3rd years. My point was that those guys were forced into more of a starring role during their third years and had more opportunities than Bynum had for the 35 games he played this year. My point is that if Bynum had been on say the Pacers, Kings, Timberwolves, Nets..etc his numbers would have been closer to 19-20ppg and 11-12 RPG, IMO. Which would have compared well with the 3rd year numbers of the guys you listed.

MWM
05-15-2008, 02:27 PM
Just got tickets to Cav-Celtics Game 6. :)

M2
05-15-2008, 04:53 PM
Just got tickets to Cav-Celtics Game 6. :)

Should be interesting. Last night was a tough game for the Cavs. James had a big night, but the Celtics still beat them with a Ray Allen tied behind their back. Probably ought to assume it's Cleveland's game to win, but, theoretically, if Allen can find his touch from the perimeter then Boston stands to pinch itself a road win.

MasonBuzz3
05-16-2008, 01:01 AM
Rondo is the X factor for the Celts, not Allen. Somehow Wally is actually able to put the clamps on Allen. The Cavs are letting Rondo take his shots, by dropping West into the middle to help on KG and Pierce. If Rondo goes for 20 the Celts should win, and I think the Cavs would accept that. That being said, I can't see Rondo stepping it up again and we should be headed to a Game 7 on Sunday. The Cavs are fine against "The Big Two featuring Ray Allen," but can't have anyone else step up to that 20 point level.

MWM
05-17-2008, 01:56 AM
Seats were phenomenal tonight. I was 9th row center court (and FREE). The atmospehere was pretty amazing. I can totally see why home court advantage is so strong in the NBA playoffs. Kid Rock and Reverend Run came in and sat right on the court directly in front of us.

I did have a really odd occurence tonight. I ran into, of all people, Dan Shaunessy, in the men's room. He was waiting in line for a urinal. I said, "hey, it's Mr. Shaunessy." I said nothign else and walked out. I was a little surprised to see him there. I figured they had their own men's room, but apparently they do not. Me and my friend then went out to a local watering hole after the game for about an hour and a half before coming back to the hotel. At the hotel, I walked into the elevator and who was there.... none other than Dan Shaunessy. I was pretty hammered at the time, but I walked in and said, "hey, it's Dan Shaunessy. What do you think the Celtics chances are in Game 7." I could tell he knew I had a few beers and tha the was really annoyed. He was only a couple of floors up, so he wasn't in long. He simply looked at the ground and said, "well, they're at home." The the door opened up and he walked out.

That was my brush with greatness. I'm dead serous that I was thinking of asking him if he still seriously thought that Red Sox fans wish they never would have won, but I hadn't had THAT much to drunk. I didn't want to be a total arse.

WMR
05-17-2008, 09:25 AM
Hate to say it, but I don't think the Cavs have much of a chance against the Celts in game 7. Honestly, however, whichever team emerges victorious from that match-up, I'll be rooting like hell for them to beat the Pistons.

blumj
05-17-2008, 10:05 PM
Seats were phenomenal tonight. I was 9th row center court (and FREE). The atmospehere was pretty amazing. I can totally see why home court advantage is so strong in the NBA playoffs. Kid Rock and Reverend Run came in and sat right on the court directly in front of us.

I did have a really odd occurence tonight. I ran into, of all people, Dan Shaunessy, in the men's room. He was waiting in line for a urinal. I said, "hey, it's Mr. Shaunessy." I said nothign else and walked out. I was a little surprised to see him there. I figured they had their own men's room, but apparently they do not. Me and my friend then went out to a local watering hole after the game for about an hour and a half before coming back to the hotel. At the hotel, I walked into the elevator and who was there.... none other than Dan Shaunessy. I was pretty hammered at the time, but I walked in and said, "hey, it's Dan Shaunessy. What do you think the Celtics chances are in Game 7." I could tell he knew I had a few beers and tha the was really annoyed. He was only a couple of floors up, so he wasn't in long. He simply looked at the ground and said, "well, they're at home." The the door opened up and he walked out.

That was my brush with greatness. I'm dead serous that I was thinking of asking him if he still seriously thought that Red Sox fans wish they never would have won, but I hadn't had THAT much to drunk. I didn't want to be a total arse.
I really wish you had found a way to annoy him a lot more, as he's been annoying me for years.

MWM
05-18-2008, 02:15 AM
I really wish you had found a way to annoy him a lot more, as he's been annoying me for years.I wanted to call him a hack (because he is), but I didn't have it in me.

WMR
05-18-2008, 04:37 PM
Don't you love it when the entire sound of a game mutes after a particularly physical play? How I'd love to hear the unedited stream. :lol:

WMR
05-18-2008, 05:14 PM
Let me just say, I find the ESPN halftime show totally obnoxious. Ugh.

WMR
05-18-2008, 06:28 PM
Aah, LeBron made a huge mistake on that tip. You can't let your man dart past you right there. It was obvious where the tip was going. Sasha did his job on KG, LBJ didn't do his on Pierce. Awful.

WMR
05-18-2008, 06:30 PM
I wonder if Mike Brown's going to get fired.

MWM
05-18-2008, 09:20 PM
Cleveland got beat on the boards. Boston had 5 of their buckets in a row that came off offensive rebounds. You can't win giving the other team that many second chances, especially late in the game.

And Lebron made a really bad play in that drive to the hoop around the 1 minute mark. I'm not sure what he was thinking there. Looks like he was just trying to draw a foul. The refs made the right no call there.

Cleveland is close. They need a true point guard, but don't need a scoring one. they need more of a general. they could also use Bruce Bowen defensive type player as well. But I still think the win multiple NBA titles with Lebron.

MasonBuzz3
05-18-2008, 09:25 PM
I wonder if Mike Brown's going to get fired.

I would think that Mike Brown and Danny Ferry will get one more year, unless Lebron wants Brown gone. I get the feeling that there will be some major changes in the Cavalier roster by next season. Wally will likely be dealt for sure and I believe that Damon Jones also has a valuable expiring contract. The Cavs need a consistent starting SG. A consistent shooter at the 2 would be invaluable to this team. They are close, but Lebron needs more around him.

Mutaman
05-18-2008, 10:44 PM
When all is said and done, Dwyane Wade has a ring, and LaBron doesn't.

HumnHilghtFreel
05-18-2008, 10:53 PM
I would think that Mike Brown and Danny Ferry will get one more year, unless Lebron wants Brown gone. I get the feeling that there will be some major changes in the Cavalier roster by next season. Wally will likely be dealt for sure and I believe that Damon Jones also has a valuable expiring contract. The Cavs need a consistent starting SG. A consistent shooter at the 2 would be invaluable to this team. They are close, but Lebron needs more around him.
I'm going to say that something like Wally + DJ or Eric Snow could go for Mike Miller next year

MasonBuzz3
05-19-2008, 12:19 AM
There's a good chance that Snow will retire this summer, so that would be a decent chunk off of the books for the Cavs or any team that he is dealt to.
Mike Miller seems to be a realistic option for a trade. But it wouldnt take that much to get Miller. He makes roughly $8.5, Wally is up around 12.2, so the Grizz would have to make up some of the difference. Memphis could throw in Brian Cardinal and his '09 expiring deal to make it work. I would start out the offer of Snow for Miller, with the understanding Snow would retire. It would essentially free up 8.5 mil for the Grizz immediately, throw in a future pick if needed.
That being said, I would target Michael Redd. With a new coach and GM in Milwaukee, they will likely be shaking up the roster. I'd start with Varejao, Wally, and DJones for Redd and Bobby Simmons. Some picks could be exchanged, but it would clear up nearly $21 mil in '09 for the Bucks
Regardless, it should be an interesting offseason in Cleveland. Lebron seems to be calling for changes.


When all is said and done, Dwyane Wade has a ring, and LaBron doesn't.
wow....haven't watched the NBA in a few years, huh?

WMR
05-19-2008, 03:25 AM
I would do whatever it took to get Michael Redd. He is EXACTLY--EXACTLY!!!!!--what the Cavaliers need. He is the player I wanted them to target a couple years ago, unfortunately--or fortunately, I guess--the NBA is structured in such a way that the home team can offer their free agents more cash than anyone else. (Haha, I better not knock that, b/c that might be one of the only ways the Cavs hang onto LeBron in a couple seasons :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:)

Edskin
05-19-2008, 08:46 AM
www.edkleese.blogspot.com


Things couldn’t have gotten much uglier in Cleveland this year: Two key players (Sasha Pavlovic and Anderson Varejao) missed training camp and the beginning of the season with contract disputes. Predictably, both wound up injured and neither regained the form that garnered them the new contracts in the first place.

In addition to those injuries, super-sub Daniel Gibson missed significant time with various ailments, and even Lebron James went down for six games. The Cavs record in those games? 0-6.

Then came the mid-season trade that sent 6 Cavalier players packing in exchange for four players from two different teams. The Cavs struggled to develop any sort of rhythm or chemistry following the trade and they had a particularly difficult time winning on the road.

Cleveland slogged through the 82 game regular season, beset by injuries, poor chemistry, and general malaise. They won five fewer games than they had won in the previous two seasons, and they entered the playoffs looking quite under whelming.

Yet, there they were.

They had the ball down by one point in Game 7 on the road against the team with the best record in the NBA. Against a team with a trio of stars. Against a team that won 22 more games than they did in the regular season.

How can a team that was so middling all season suddenly find themselves in such a position?

Lebron James has your answer.

But in the end, that one possession told the story of entire season. Cavs fans can only pray that it doesn’t tell the story of an entire career.

Lebron brought the Cavs back on Sunday as he has done time and again in his career. Down two games to none in 2006, the Cavs rallied and took the Pistons to Game 7, where they ultimately lost. Down two games to none in 2007, Lebron again rallied the Cavs against the Pistons; this time capturing the series in six games and sending the Cavs to the NBA Finals for the first time in franchise history.

And he did it again in 2008. Down two games to none to the Celtics, Lebron brought his team back to the brink. In Game 7, Lebron was brilliant. Paul Pierce was equally brilliant, but Lebron had an answer for virtually every tough shot Pierce made.

But in the end, when both Lebron and Pierce were triple-teamed and both stopped scoring, the Celtics had enough to finish. The Cavs did not.

Brings us back to that one possession.

Down 89-88 with under two minutes remaining, Cleveland had their first chance to take a lead in the game. If they score there, perhaps Boston never regains the lead. As he had been doing throughout the fourth quarter, Lebron handled the ball at the top of the key and attempted to drive the lane. He was met by three Celtics who cut off his path to the basket. Clearly, Boston was not going to let Lebron decide this game. As he always does, Lebron found the open man, but none of his fellow Cavaliers seemed able (or willing) to take the shot. The ball bounced around from man to man, eventually landing back with Lebron, who had to take a desperation three as the shot clock buzzer sounded. No good.

Even with that miss, the Cavs still had one more good look. Down by three with less than a minute remaining, James passed to a wide open Delonte West, who missed a game-tying shot. From there, Boston sealed the deal with free throws.

Lebron led the charge. He just needed someone (anyone) to help him shut the door on Boston. When Pierce couldn’t get open in the final minutes, he found Kevin Garnett, who hit a tough jumper. When Lebron couldn’t open in the final minutes, there was no Kevin Garnett to bail him out.

Michael Jordan won two championship rings behind the game-winning shots of Steve Kerr and John Paxson. Having a Hall of Famer in Scottie Pippen taking some of the pressure off didn’t hurt either.

The players surrounding Lebron are solid. They are tough, both physically and mentally. They play hard and fight till the bitter end. But there simply isn’t anyone with enough talent to compliment Lebron. He simply has to work too hard to lead this team. The Cavs have a bunch of guys who are good 4th and 5th options on a championship team. But they desperately need 2nd and 3rd options.

Much of the blame in the eyes of the fans falls on head coach Mike Brown. But I believe those criticisms to be misguided. True, the offense certainly seems to lack creativity at times, but Brown gets his players to buy into his defensive system, and for the most part, he utilizes what he has quite well.

Lebron is under contract for two more years in Cleveland. The clock is ticking. If I’m sitting here writing a similar story two years from now, Lebron may have played his last game in a Cavs uniform. But there is plenty of time for the Cleveland front office to keep their star happy. Following next season, the Cavs will shake loose of at least a little over $30 million in salary, making them a major player in the free agent market. General Manager Danny Ferry would be smart to focus on that available space and not panic heading into next season. He should make some general tweaks heading into 2009, with an eye on the big prize in 2010 when the rubber will meet the road in terms of keeping Lebron.

Lebron is a local kid. He wants to win in Cleveland. If the Cavs do the right things, he will stay. It’s not as if he needs a Chris Paul or Kobe Bryant to compliment him. He just needs one or two more guys that are capable of creating their own offense. A couple of guys that can hit a shot in an 89-88 game.

As a Cavs fan who clearly remembers the misery of the franchise in pre-Lebron era, I can tell you how nice it is to be playing Game 7’s in late May. I shudder at the thought of returning to those dark days.

We have the King. Time to find his Court.

The clock is ticking.

WMR
05-19-2008, 08:46 PM
Anyone catch Charles Barkley talk about his gambling issues before the game tonight?

Me me LOL.

Unassisted
05-19-2008, 11:28 PM
Spurs finally survive a 3rd quarter in New Orleans and are bound for the WC Final!

MasonBuzz3
05-19-2008, 11:34 PM
Lakers vs Spurs and Celtics vs Pistons.....who would have thought

snowstorm
05-19-2008, 11:43 PM
The Hornets should have had this series after going up 2-0.

MAJOR choke job. :thumbdown

SandyD
05-20-2008, 12:55 AM
Not sure they "choke" vs a lesser team. Gotta give some credit to the Spurs.

It'll be interesting to see what happens next season with the Hornets.

dabvu2498
05-20-2008, 08:07 AM
The thought of another Pistons-Spurs Final saddens me. Actually, it bores me.

DTCromer
05-20-2008, 08:20 AM
The Hornets should have had this series after going up 2-0.

MAJOR choke job. :thumbdown

If you're up 2-0 and everyone in the series holds serve until Game 7, that's a choke job. Spurs are prehistoric. No way they should've won even with their experience and John Kerry floppiness from Manu and Tim Duncan.

15fan
05-20-2008, 08:22 AM
The Hornets should have had this series after going up 2-0.

MAJOR choke job. :thumbdown

That's right. Losing in 7 games in the conference semis to the defending champs is an abomination. :rolleyes:

15fan
05-20-2008, 08:28 AM
If you're up 2-0 and everyone in the series holds serve until Game 7, that's a choke job. Spurs are prehistoric. No way they should've won even with their experience and John Kerry floppiness from Manu and Tim Duncan.

The 2-0 lead was partially a function of SA coming off a pretty intense opening series against Phoenix. Duncan was also less than 100% for the first 2 games with a fever of 100+.

Some see the Spurs as prehistoric. I see them as a veteran team that has been through the post-season wars for many years. NO, not so much. Hornets have nothing to be ashamed of. They put up a whale of a fight. Their time is definitely coming. As long as they have Chris Paul, they'll be in the running each year.

Unassisted
05-20-2008, 09:27 AM
It'll be interesting to see what happens next season with the Hornets.They'll be back in it next year. They have a good nucleus and a solid coach. :thumbup:

Unassisted
05-20-2008, 09:31 AM
I just got my tickets for Game 3 of the series against the Lakers. This time next week, we'll be looking forward in a few hours to Game 4 in that series. That's tighter scheduling than the last round.

Roy Tucker
05-20-2008, 10:47 AM
Some see the Spurs as prehistoric. I see them as a veteran team that has been through the post-season wars for many years. NO, not so much. Hornets have nothing to be ashamed of. They put up a whale of a fight. Their time is definitely coming. As long as they have Chris Paul, they'll be in the running each year.



I agree. That was a seriously gutsy win by the Spurs. Winning an NBA game 7 on the road is a very difficult thing to do. I think the inexperience of NO finally showed.

Having said that, I don't think we've seen the last of the Hornets. They are a team on the ascent.

TeamSelig
05-20-2008, 08:35 PM
Wow... Bulls with the #1 pick!

SandyD
05-20-2008, 09:04 PM
I hope so. I'm just so used to teams having a good year, then falling back for a while.

I can see a sort of rivalry emerging between NO and SA in basketball. Not sure the Spurs would see it like that, but think about this series ... all season: 11 games between them, a record of spurs 6 hornets 5, and none of the games were close.

I will say this: the Hornets have a fan base now ... one still learning how to be "basketball fans" but having fun with it.

Revering4Blue
05-20-2008, 09:41 PM
Wow... Bulls with the #1 pick!

Bad news for Pacers and Cavs fans.

Internet rumors:

*Bulls draft Rose.

*Bulls then deal Hinrich to Denver for Marcus Camby.

I'm not so sure that I wouldn't keep Hinrich and draft Beasley--He's a beast.

MasonBuzz3
05-20-2008, 11:53 PM
Rose is a Chicago kid, I'd put money down that the Bulls take him. I wouldn't be so sure about Hinrich for Camby. Camby is rumored in the Melo to NJ deal, but Hinrich would be moved for a big. How ridiculous would the Bulls be looking if they had moved Deng and pieces for Kobe in the offseason....wouldn't likely be in the lottery though

TeamSelig
05-21-2008, 01:56 AM
As a Pacers fan, I think I would be willing to trade JO for Hinrich + filler. Not sure who Chicago picks, but I'm not sure that the whole hometown thing really matters as much as most might think.

If they think Beasley can handle the 4, then I think they go with him.

WVRed
05-21-2008, 02:54 PM
Rose is a Chicago kid, I'd put money down that the Bulls take him. I wouldn't be so sure about Hinrich for Camby. Camby is rumored in the Melo to NJ deal, but Hinrich would be moved for a big. How ridiculous would the Bulls be looking if they had moved Deng and pieces for Kobe in the offseason....wouldn't likely be in the lottery though

I think they take Rose for the same reason. He is from the Chicago area so its kind of a home run any way you go. Yes they already have PG depth but they also drafted Joakim Noah last year, and Beasley is a similar player in terms of attitude.

JayBruce4HOF
05-21-2008, 02:56 PM
The Bulls aren't drafting Rose. If they don't trade the pick they're taking Beasley.

Unassisted
05-22-2008, 12:05 AM
I'm thinking that 12 hours spent on a plane getting from New Orleans to LA deserves some of the credit for the Spurs blowing a 20-point lead tonight. :(

BTW, some of you may be interested in this Wash Post column: Why America Hates the Spurs (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/20/AR2008052001913.html)

Unassisted
05-23-2008, 05:57 PM
Did everyone lose interest in the playoffs once Cleveland lost? :)

I was impressed that Detroit was able to steal a game in Boston. I'm hoping the Spurs can do the same tonight. http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/smilies/flag.gif