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JinAZ
04-18-2008, 04:06 PM
Last Sunday, Reds' Scout Butch Baccala started a blog (http://baseballthrumyeyes.typepad.com/my_weblog/) chronicling his life as a scout. He made it very clear that he would not provide opinions about players in his blog, as the Reds paid him for those opinions. It was strictly about his life, and in large part was geared towards his friends and family, though he made it accessible for fans. He also made an effort to recognize some of the people who did things behind the scenes in the Reds' organization, like the people who scouted Brandon Waring prior to the draft last year.

Today, the Reds shut him down (http://baseballthrumyeyes.typepad.com/my_weblog/2008/04/baccala-blog-gi.html). Here's his final post:




This is my last post as I sit in the Airport in Sacramento waiting to go to see the California Angels.

1. I love the Cincinnati Reds, I love working for the Cincinnati Reds and would never do anything to hurt my INTEGRITY or the Integrity of the Team.

2. I did this blog after talking with some friends, I'm so anal about the way I do my job and with the Proffesionalism that I do it with, they thought this would be good for me- give me another outlet-writing, I wrote from the start I wouldn't talk about our players or manager and keep everything proffesional.

3. I could have done like many of you do- not put my name on the BLOG- but I felt like I wasn't doing anything to hurt anyone. I told other scouts what I was doing, I tried to notice other scouts- we are the forgotten men of organizations.

4. The sad part for me is anyone that would question my proffesionalism or question my work doesn't really know me. We all bust our asses for our teams- were away from home over 120 days a year, I much rather sit in my room writing a blog, then sitting in a bar drinking- what kind of role model is that. I had both my kids read the blog yesterday to see if I was over the top- they both enjoyed and before they went to school said see you Dad- we'll read your blog tonight. NO More.

Finishing my Blog I say to all of you that wrote me it was fun but in the end

THERE'S NO CRYING IN BASEBALL

KEEP IT REAL FOR THE REDS

i HOPE WERE ALL TOGETHER TO ENJOY THE CHAMPIONSHIPS I KNOW WERE GONNA WIN.

PEACE

Butch Baccala


It's a small thing, but I was enjoying reading his blog to see something about what goes on behind the scenes in our organization. Nothing that he had written would have put the Reds at a competitive disadvantage, which is the only legitimate excuse for shutting it down. I see this as just another example of the Reds' proclivity for absurd secrecy. How irritating.
-Justin

Deepred05
04-18-2008, 04:14 PM
He is right about the sitting around the bar and drinking part. I knew a Reds scout, (who will remain nameless) that came into my casino everyday and gambled. It used to upset me until I figured out that a baseball game can only last several hours a day. What a sweet job:beerme:

lollipopcurve
04-18-2008, 04:20 PM
I see this as just another example of the Reds' proclivity for absurd secrecy.

Is it absurd because there are scouts from other organizations out there blogging?

RedsManRick
04-18-2008, 04:27 PM
It would be nice to see a press release from the Reds explaining their request. Otherwise this reeks of the Luddite reputation that the Reds FO has a touch of...

nate
04-18-2008, 04:32 PM
PEACE

Butch Baccala

It's "BLEEDS" from the Sun Deck!

lollipopcurve
04-18-2008, 04:32 PM
It would be nice to see a press release from the Reds explaining their request. Otherwise this reeks of the Luddite reputation that the Reds FO has a touch of...

They don't owe the public an explanation. All they need to do is explain it to Baccala -- he's their employee. I think it's pretty easy to imagine fans converging on this blog and asking all kinds of questions of Baccala. If Baccala engaged these folks in much back-and-forth, the chances that he'd start talking about players in or out of the organization -- or the organization itself -- are pretty high, I'd say. My guess is that most if not all teams would prefer their scouts refrain from this kind of public discourse.

nate
04-18-2008, 04:33 PM
It would be nice to see a press release from the Reds explaining their request. Otherwise this reeks of the Luddite reputation that the Reds FO has a touch of...

Agreed. I'd find it fascinating to read about the day to day life of people "inside baseball."

RedlegJake
04-18-2008, 04:34 PM
They don't owe the public an explanation. All they need to do is explain it to Baccala -- he's their employee. I think it's pretty easy to imagine fans converging on this blog and asking all kinds of questions of Baccala. If Baccala engaged these folks in much back-and-forth, the chances that he'd start talking about players in or out of the organization -- or the organization itself -- are pretty high, I'd say. My guess is that most if not all teams would prefer their scouts refrain from this kind of public discourse.

Exactly. Completely agree.

RedsManRick
04-18-2008, 04:40 PM
They don't owe the public an explanation. All they need to do is explain it to Baccala -- he's their employee. I think it's pretty easy to imagine fans converging on this blog and asking all kinds of questions of Baccala. If Baccala engaged these folks in much back-and-forth, the chances that he'd start talking about players in or out of the organization -- or the organization itself -- are pretty high, I'd say. My guess is that most if not all teams would prefer their scouts refrain from this kind of public discourse.

I'm pretty sure I didn't say that they "owe" it to us -- I said it would be nice.

Always Red
04-18-2008, 04:42 PM
The Reds probably make him wear black shoes; and no facial hair, either!

lollipopcurve
04-18-2008, 04:42 PM
I'm pretty sure I didn't say that they "owe" it to us -- I said it would be nice.

It would be nice if we could watch each game from the dugout, too.

Highlifeman21
04-18-2008, 04:42 PM
THERE'S NO CRYING IN BASEBALL

KEEP IT REAL FOR THE REDS

i HOPE WERE ALL TOGETHER TO ENJOY THE CHAMPIONSHIPS I KNOW WERE GONNA WIN.

PEACE

Butch Baccala

Butch Baccala = the poster BLEEDS on the SunDeck!

BCubb2003
04-18-2008, 04:44 PM
There's an opportunity for some savvy marketing, plus considerable risk. The best advice to an employee is if you're going to blog, blog like you want to keep your job. Considering how tight MLB is with its content, I wonder if that has a little to do with it, too.

I guess it's still up to us knuckleheads to talk about the Reds online.

Hoosier Red
04-18-2008, 04:46 PM
The one concern I would have when I was reading that was the line "Sometimes scouts have to scout the other team's scouts."

He's basically allowing everyone to know where he is and what games he is going to. It's a small thing but ya know, every little thing.

redsmetz
04-18-2008, 04:46 PM
It would be nice to see a press release from the Reds explaining their request. Otherwise this reeks of the Luddite reputation that the Reds FO has a touch of...

I'm not sure it's Luddite, but I could see some plausible reason for the actions of the Reds.

While no one believes anyone in baseball are choir boys, I could see how an organization would like not see the language that was occasionally used in the blog not being the face of the Reds. That's one reason, albeit a very small one.

Likewise, I noticed in one blog, he mentioned that he would be going to Anaheim, which obviously isn't a club we're going to be playing, so it's someone we may be targeting a trade with. Now, on one hand, that should be no surprise, but still, it could still indicate that something is iminant. Again, I'm not sure this is a big deal because we all know scouts float around and folks from other organizations know who they are, it could easily be reportered (Reds scout at Angels game last night).

Last, and I have no way of knowing this, but it wouldn't surprise me that the Reds and most other organizations have something in their contract with the scouts that prohibits such dissemination of info.

Those are just some guesses. Maybe they can find a middle ground ultimately, but I think there are possible legitimate reasons for putting the kabosh on it.

BCubb2003
04-18-2008, 04:49 PM
I wonder if they'll ever do anything about those anonymous "baseball insiders" and "one scout" types who are always predicting trades that never happen.

JinAZ
04-18-2008, 04:52 PM
They don't owe the public an explanation. All they need to do is explain it to Baccala -- he's their employee. I think it's pretty easy to imagine fans converging on this blog and asking all kinds of questions of Baccala. If Baccala engaged these folks in much back-and-forth, the chances that he'd start talking about players in or out of the organization -- or the organization itself -- are pretty high, I'd say. My guess is that most if not all teams would prefer their scouts refrain from this kind of public discourse.

Then make it a no-comment blog, and don't post an e-mail address. Problem solved.
-j

RedsManRick
04-18-2008, 05:00 PM
Butch Baccala = the poster BLEEDS on the SunDeck!

I had the very same thought...

westofyou
04-18-2008, 05:00 PM
Information is king, don't control your information and then be a pauper... is it being a Luddite to protect your intellectual investments?

How many of YOU have ever signed a NDF, and if you did why would you?

Because information is currency and folks who don't watch their wallets get them picked.

RedsManRick
04-18-2008, 05:03 PM
Information is king, don't control your information and then be a pauper... is it being a Luddite to protect your intellectual investments?

How many of YOU have ever signed a NDF, and if you did why would you?

Because information is currency and folks who don't watch their wallets get them picked.

The real question is what valued information was at risk. Is the information regarding the city he's in or game he attends property of the Reds?

I can understand the Reds concern. In fact, I probably agree with their position. I'm just curious how the conversation went. It's a very slippery slope. The Indians give tours and 2 inning long interviews about their information systems. The Reds won't admit they're interested in picking up another back up catcher. To each their own. I just think there is a pattern of behavior suggesting the Reds are a bit reactionary regarding information of actual competitive value and simple information. When you don't have a complete, thorough understand of what's valuable and what's not, you tend to hoard it all just in case. Not accusing the Reds of that per se', just saying it's symptomatic.

westofyou
04-18-2008, 05:06 PM
The real question is what valued information was at risk.

That's for the Reds to make sure you at your computer don't find out.

RedsManRick
04-18-2008, 05:08 PM
That's for the Reds to make sure you at your computer don't find out.

Very true -- it's their prerogative. Being who and where I am, my perspective is that while information is often quite valuable, execution is usually the differentiator.

Cyclone792
04-18-2008, 05:09 PM
I'm surprised the Reds haven't shut down Jay Bruce's blog yet. Then again Bruce hasn't posted in it since before spring training so maybe it's an offseason thing only. Or maybe it's already shut down from future posts.

(watches as a Reds FO employee reading this post scrambles to tell Jay Bruce to quit blogging) ;)

cincyinco
04-18-2008, 05:10 PM
Not saying its something I wouldn't like to see but its easy to fathom why the reds would have concerns. Wish I had known about it before it was closed!

lollipopcurve
04-18-2008, 05:10 PM
Then make it a no-comment blog, and don't post an e-mail address. Problem solved.

As others have noted, any information Baccala would give out concerning where he is or will be, who he spoken to, etc., could offer clues re: trade discussions...... Or, also as noted, MLB may be looking askance at any MLB employee blogging about his profession. Not a surprising move by the Reds at all.

OnBaseMachine
04-18-2008, 05:20 PM
Invite him to Redszone. We need more inside info. ;)

WMR
04-18-2008, 05:25 PM
I thought Baccala got whacked in the toy train store??? :confused:

OnBaseMachine
05-03-2008, 04:28 PM
FWIW, the blog is back up and running.

http://baseballthrumyeyes.typepad.com/my_weblog/

Team Clark
05-05-2008, 10:46 AM
My guess s that most if not all teams would prefer their scouts refrain from this kind of public discourse.

It's in writing in most contracts now for most Baseball personnel. Not all teams do it but a lot do. There is a media related set of paragraphs that "prohibit" this type of thing. They spell out blogs, personal web sites, podcasts, etc... A lot of catch all language. You can not use the logo, name or post any privy information, blah, blah, blah... :D

They would rather have media types lie to you than have the people who see what is really going on tell you directly.

Team Clark
05-05-2008, 10:48 AM
I wonder if they'll ever do anything about those anonymous "baseball insiders" and "one scout" types who are always predicting trades that never happen.

Naaah. They need them to throw other teams off. That's the "useful" part of the media.

flyer85
05-05-2008, 11:25 AM
That's the "useful" part of the media.the media can be an excellent source of information and also used for disinformation. Any smart organization should see it as a tool.

Wheelhouse
05-05-2008, 02:12 PM
He did hurt other scouts in his last blog entry when he implied other scouts are drunks. If he doesn't realize that, he needs to do some serious self-inventory. Sounds like a bit of a loose cannon and I don't blame the Reds for shutting him down.

Ga_Red
05-05-2008, 03:58 PM
great stuff, Butch,

keep it coming!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Team Clark
05-06-2008, 10:05 AM
great stuff, Butch,

keep it coming!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Exactly! :D