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reds44
04-18-2008, 08:07 PM
Wayne Krivsky and Dusty Baker met today. You didn't miss any announcement. No moves were made.

Some will be coming shortly, I would guess. Krivsky just returned from Triple-A Louisville. He said catcher David Ross and right-hander Matt Belisle are about ready.

So something's got to give here, right?

"It's a nice problem to have," Krivsky said. "We have good choices."

Josh Fogg is listed as Monday's starter, but it sounds to me like Belisle could be moved into that slot.

"He looked good," Krivsky said. "He pitched seven innings the night I saw. He went over 100 pitches. He threw all his pitches, threw them for strikes, got ahead of the hitters. He had a good outing."

If he comes up, will it be as a starter?

"We're looking at him as a starter," Krivsky said. "We made that commitment last year."

Krivsky didn't sound ready to address the Reds' struggles against left-handers with a roster moves.

"It's too small a sample to me," Krivsky said. "We're a better hitting team than we've showed here in spots. Every team goes through struggles at various points in time. Nothing says you're going to hit .275 against righties and .275 against lefties."

Also from Krivsky:

On David Ross: "He's playing a lot down there. He's healthy and getting his timing. I hope he'll be ready (by April 23)."

On Homer Bailey: "He looked good. Ross caught him in fact. I talked to David the next day. He said Homer has made tremendous improvement. He's locating his pitches better. He's doing well."
-Fay

sonny
04-18-2008, 09:33 PM
Everything folks have been saying about Bailey is that he has really approached his time in AAA well.

Of course, it's not like people in the organization are going to say, "well, he has really sucked."

Cyclone792
04-18-2008, 11:25 PM
Everything folks have been saying about Bailey is that he has really approached his time in AAA well.

Of course, it's not like people in the organization are going to say, "well, he has really sucked."

So far, Bailey's pretty much doing what I hoped Bailey would do in AAA. His command has been his major problem, but if he can get it under control he'll likely be a pretty valuable pitcher. In his three starts down in Louisville, he's showing improved command and that's precisely what I wanted him to show.

The key is I'd like to see him carry this improvement out for a two to three month stretch down in Louisville before the Reds consider promoting him. Keep up the good work, keep improving the command, and show some consistency with the improved command. That's what I'm looking for out of Bailey this season.

As for Belisle, get him up here and hand him the ball Monday night. Josh Fogg just has no business ever throwing a pitch for the Reds again; he never had any business throwing a pitch for them to begin with anyway.

cincyinco
04-18-2008, 11:47 PM
Love all the comments from krivsky. I don't want a guy at the healm who will panic and make knee jerk reactions. Its still entirely to early. The weather still has a bit of ways to go before it warms up, and I'm a firm believer in that factor.

Keep on keepin a level head krivsky!

redsmetz
04-19-2008, 12:43 AM
Everything folks have been saying about Bailey is that he has really approached his time in AAA well.

Of course, it's not like people in the organization are going to say, "well, he has really sucked."

Yes, but one can also say something akin to "he needs to work on this" or that, etc. I'm hoping he'll continue to show improvement and be able to help the club long term.

redsrule2500
04-19-2008, 01:34 AM
It's sad how Bailey has gone from an amazing AAA prospect to a "he could be a decent MLB pitcher"... :(

Spring~Fields
04-19-2008, 02:08 AM
"It's too small a sample to me," Krivsky said. "We're a better hitting team than we've showed here in spots. Every team goes through struggles at various points in time. Nothing says you're going to hit .275 against righties and .275 against lefties."

Yes Wayne small sample size, but, some of these guys like Patterson, Freel, Castro, Hopper, Phillips, Encarcion have a history. Where a Dunn is more effective hitting in the order, that a Phillips might not be a cleanup hitter or that Patterson might not be a leadoff hitter, there is some history behind each of the guys which is not a small sample size Wayne. Wayne your team had trouble with left handers last year, so using the terms small sample size doesn't excuse that which was already known.

WVRedsFan
04-19-2008, 02:37 AM
Yes Wayne small sample size, but, some of these guys like Patterson, Freel, Castro, Hopper, Phillips, Encarcion have a history. Where a Dunn is more effective hitting in the order, that a Phillips might not be a cleanup hitter or that Patterson might not be a leadoff hitter, there is some history behind each of the guys which is not a small sample size Wayne. Wayne your team had trouble with left handers last year, so using the terms small sample size doesn't excuse that which was already known.

It's also known that since Wayne came on the scene in 2005, the Reds haven't improved much in run differential. In 2005, the Reds scored 820 runs and gave up 889 (-69 runs). Last year, the Reds score a lot less (783) and gave up less (853), but the run differential was one run worse.

His attention to the pitching department is good, but in the process, the offense has regressed. So far this year (and I know, as they say, it's early) the Reds have scored 71 runs and allowed 79. Over a 162 game season the Reds are on track to score 676 runs (the least in the last 8 years) and give up 752, a run differential of 76 runs. Improvement? No.

Pitching is important, but so is offense.

Highlifeman21
04-19-2008, 09:13 AM
It's sad how Bailey has gone from an amazing AAA prospect to a "he could be a decent MLB pitcher"... :(

Bailey's still a "top prospect", but he has a lot to show the world to retain and live up to that hype and status.

Until Bailey develops and figures out consistent command and control, "decent MLB pitcher" is IMO a realistic expectation out of him. Anything more, and we're still drinking the prospect hype kool-aid.

KittyDuran
04-19-2008, 01:33 PM
Belisle is stretching right now on the field...

Always Red
04-19-2008, 03:41 PM
It's sad how Bailey has gone from an amazing AAA prospect to a "he could be a decent MLB pitcher"... :(

Philip Hughes is going through the same thing in New York right now.

It's not that sad- that's baseball! There are many, many "can't miss" guys who somehow wind up missing anyway. That's why I question the Rays giving Longoria a lot of money right now. I can think right off the top of my head of two Reds 3B who couldn't miss and yet did- Willie Green and Brandon Larson.

Homer will be OK when he gains experience and learns how to pitch and not just throw. Apparently Dave Ross thinks he is doing just that right now in AAA.

reds44
04-19-2008, 03:49 PM
I'm not really sure how much longer they want to watch this offense, especially that black hole called CF and leadoff.