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Spring~Fields
12-11-2002, 04:13 PM
OSU 17 - Miami 31

step up .........make your predictions now, not after the first half.


:D

Chip R
12-11-2002, 04:29 PM
OSU 17 Miami 10

westofyou
12-11-2002, 04:29 PM
miami 31

osu 17

guernsey
12-11-2002, 04:39 PM
Miami 35

OSU 13

RANDY IN INDY
12-11-2002, 04:50 PM
Miami 42 Ohio St. 17

Johnny Vander m
12-11-2002, 06:14 PM
Ohio State - 34 Miami - 32

BuckeyeRed27
12-11-2002, 06:31 PM
OSU 17 Miami 13

TeamSelig
12-11-2002, 06:33 PM
Miami is going to tear them apart, thats my prediction

RedFanAlways1966
12-11-2002, 06:34 PM
Buckeyes 24 - Hurricanes 17

:D

BuckeyeRed27
12-11-2002, 07:06 PM
Is Miami going to tear them apart with their horrible rush defense against one of the best running backs in the nation or with thier running back against the best rush defense in the nation? Just curious.

Roy Tucker
12-11-2002, 07:31 PM
heart - OSU 17 Miami 13
head - Miami 35 OSU 13

Spring~Fields
12-11-2002, 07:37 PM
Team Selig and BuckeyeRed27,

I apologize but, we are missing your commitment to what you believe the score will be…………The rest of us have risked our impecable reputations :) , so how about you two, respectfully?

TeamSelig
12-11-2002, 08:12 PM
BuckeyeRed27,

They're going to tear them up with Dorsey and McGahee ...

you know its the first time since 1994 that teammates were among the top five in the heisman voting

GAC
12-11-2002, 08:41 PM
What's the point spread on the game from Vegas? I tried to get through to Pete, but he was on the phone with Bud :evilgrin:

All the experts say that Miami is gonna thrash OSU. But who listens to the experts (you people NEVER listen to me :p ).

I still say (and yes, from the heart SF) that OSU will win

24-21, and surprise everyone.

But it's gonna have to be a ball control type of game for OSU. They are going to need to control the time on the clock, via the running game, and keep Miami's offense off the field as much as possible. If Krentzel has a mediocre game, and they start having "3 and outs", then no matter how good OSU's defense is, they'll be wore out mid way through the 3rd quarter, and Dorsey will eat them up.

But it's not gonna happen that way. Tressel is gonna have these boys ready.

What are you doing for the game SF? Are you gonna be in town?

Boss-Hog
12-11-2002, 09:20 PM
The spread is 13 points.

BuckeyeRed27
12-11-2002, 09:33 PM
I did know that...and did you know that the last time team mates were both candites for the Heisman that team didn't win the National Championship.

fielder's choice
12-11-2002, 10:10 PM
Miami 47
Ohio St. 21

RANDY IN INDY
12-12-2002, 08:57 AM
Dorsey really hasn't had a Heisman like season in my opinion. McGahee, yes. I hope that Ohio St. rips them a new one, but I don't think it's going to happen.

MWM
12-12-2002, 09:33 AM
Originally posted by BuckeyeRed27
I did know that...and did you know that the last time team mates were both candites for the Heisman that team didn't win the National Championship.

Yes, but they did go undefeated and win a bowl game. The '94 Nittany Lions were screwed as bad as any team I've seen before. That is one of the best teams I've seen in college fottbal since I've been watching it. They were a juggernaut with an unstoppable offense.

They would have beaten Nebraska handily, IMO, had they played.


Miami - 24
OSU - 20

15fan
12-12-2002, 10:33 AM
If the same pass rush that repeatedly allowed John Navarre to convert 3rd & long shows up in Tempe, Ken Dorsey is going to rip the OSU defense to shreds.

(See Nebraska - Miami, '02 Rose Bowl)

If the OSU offense can grind it out on the ground and chew up the clock, and if they can keep Dorsey from sitting in the pocket, OSU could give 'em a good game.

(See Alabama - Miami - '93 Sugar Bowl)

bucksfan
12-12-2002, 11:22 AM
Buckeyes - 24
Hurricanes - 21

I think it will be a very good game, but the Buckeyes will need to score "some" points to win. (i.e. 13 won't get it done, even with a stellar defensive effort, as I think Miami is too talented to be held to such a low point total).

I am proud of the team for making it to this game, but now I want to win sooo bad just to rub it in the faces of the people calling the Buckeyes "undeserving". It may or may not be a close game. Anyone that claims to "know" doesn't. Many variables go into every college football game. If the Canes; get on a roll early via a kick-off return or something, it could shift the tide. If the Buckeyes score 1st and can play some field position game early, it could stifle Miami. I don't know. One play early could set the tone.

Spring~Fields
12-26-2002, 11:39 PM
Wednesday, December 18

Can the Buckeyes weather the storm?

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By Kirk Herbstreit
Special to ESPN.com



On paper, the national championship game between Miami and Ohio State looks like a huge mismatch. Judging solely on the Xs and Os one would think the Hurricanes would win easily because, as Virginia Tech coach Frank Beamer said, this 'Canes team is arguably the best in the history of college football.

Miami has one of the top three offenses in the nation along with USC and Iowa, and like the other two its strength is that is can hurt teams in so many different ways.


Ken Dorsey leads what may be the best offense in the nation.
The Hurricanes have a quarterback in Ken Dorsey who is 38-1 as a starter, the team as a whole has won 34 straight games and the 'Canes walk into the Tostitos Fiesta Bowl feeling as though it is their game to win. The more pressure and hype, the brighter the lights and the bigger the stage, the better Miami plays.

But what has gotten coach Larry Coker's team has into trouble this year is letting its guard down and taking opponents lightly. Teams have not been able to beat Miami with schemes and physical talent, but the Hurricanes have had to battle complacency all year.

That has been the issue against teams like Florida State, Pittsburgh and even Rutgers, but now the 'Canes are playing for back-to-back national titles and a shot at rings for both their mothers and their girlfriends. You can rest assured that when they take the field in Tempe they will be incredibly focused.

A lot of people are saying that Ohio State is not worthy of being in this game, but don't tell Miami that because for it this game is not about OSU. As far as Miami is concerned any team in the nation in the other lockerrom. The 'Canes are really playing themselves.

They look in the mirror and know they have the best team in the country. It doesn't matter who they play. The Hurricanes will study and prepare for whatever that team that it happens to be and go out and play their game feeling no one can stop them. When you have won 38 of your last 39 games you are allowed to think that way.

Miami will study the Buckeyes but won't know anybody's name, just numbers. By the time the 'Canes take the field they will know the Ohio State tendencies and what they need to do to dominate the game. In their mind it is just a matter of getting on the field.

The Buckeyes, meanwhile, will come in having heard every talk show and columnist in America say for three weeks that they have no chance and are an embarrassment to the BCS. That can becomes an advantage. Hearing that over and over again gives OSU an emotional incentive -- which most think will last for the first three or four minutes of the game -- to go out and prove people wrong.

As much as the media and some college football fans want to say Ohio State is not talented enough to be on the same field with Miami, they forget the Buckeyes have a stories program that is used to playing in big games. When you tell them they have no chance it allows them to go into the game with nothing to lose.

That being said, OSU's only chance in this game is to survive the first 10 minutes. After hearing so much about Miami's expected domination, the worst thing that could happen would be for Ohio State go out and give up one of Miami's patented quick scoring drives with Dorsey and running back Willis McGahee hitting big plays. That would create too much doubt.

The Buckeyes MUST start well. They have to force a punt on Miami's first series to show themselves they can hang with the Hurricanes. On offense, they have to give the ball to Maurice Clarett but also throw the ball some in first-and-10 situations in order to pick up some first downs. They have to be able to walk to the sidelines after the first possession saying "Hey, we can play with these guys."

If Ohio State goes three-and-out and the Hurricanes turn around and get a quick score, that negative vibe OSU has been feeling for a month becomes reality. All of a sudden it has its hands full.

Whether or not the Buckeyes can survive the emotional storm of the first few minutes will tell OSU whether or not it can be competitive, because Miami is a team that can attack like an avalanche. The score might be 7-3, and the next thing you know an interception is returned for a touchdown, a punt is blocked for a TD, McGahee rips off a long scoring run and six minutes later the score is 28-3. That is something OSU will have to avoid to have a chance. be competitive.

Ohio State's offensive play calling will be affected by the way its own defense is playing. If the D can battle with the Hurricanes and not give up a lot of points, we will see a game plan similar to the one Jim Tressel has run all year: conservative, close to the vest, avoiding mistakes and relying on defense and special teams to keep his team in the game.

But if Dorsey, McGahee and friends are picking up yards and points in chunks, Tressel will obviously have to throw more on first and second down to go against tendencies.

Miami is going to come out with nine men at the line of scrimmage to try and take away tailback Maurice Clarett and the Ohio State running game. It's as simple as that. The Hurricanes will force quarterback Craig Krenzel to make plays for OSU to move the ball, but he may find it tough going against the No. 1 pass defense in the country.

Clarett is a great back and he will prove to the nation just how good he is by picking up some tough yards, but for the Buckeyes to truly move down the field they will have to mix in the play-action pass more than they have at any other point this year.

After playing Nebraska in last year's national championship game the Miami players are probably looking at OSU as the same kind of opponents. A big, strong, thick-ankled Big Ten team without much speed. But the speed of the Ohio State defense will surprise the 'Canes.

If the Ohio State defense compares to any other Miami has faced it would be a team like Pittsburgh, and if looking back at that game you will see the Panthers did a good job of mixing up their defensive looks. The Buckeyes will have to do the same thing to try and slow McGahee first, which will require sound tackling, and then try to get pressure on Dorsey.

Their only chance to win will be to hold the Hurricanes to 20 points or less.

http://espn.go.com/ncf/bowls02/s/fiesta_guide.html

GAC
12-27-2002, 10:50 AM
I read that article too SF, and thought it was quite inciteful.

I don't think Miami has faced a defense the likes of OSU's this year. But OSU cannot rely on it's defense to win this game for them. If OSU doesn't play ball/clock control via either the running game or some sort of balance that prevents them from too many "3 and outs"...then they will be history!

Krentzel doesn't have to have a huge game passing...just an efficient one.

And I would rather have Tressel there in this position than Cooper; but then again, Cooper would have never gotten us this far. He'd still be crying and making excuses for losing to Michigan for the umpteenth time :lol:

Red Leader
12-27-2002, 04:04 PM
Miami 31, Ohio St. 20

Ohio State's defense is very tough, but Miami's offense is extremely talented and quick. Ohio State's offense does not excite me, as they seem to be too one dimensional and depend too much on Clarett. Miami can be attacked on the ground, but I gotta believe they will be fired up enough to at least contain Clarett somewhat. It has been a great season for Ohio State, but no matter how I look at it, I don't think they have the offensive firepower to outscore Miami.

Virginia Beach Reds
12-27-2002, 06:37 PM
My prediction is...

Miami 31
OSU 13

Miami is just too tough for the Bucks. I would expect that Miami would come out firing quick strikes down the field on the first possession. It could be 14 or 17 to nothing within the first 5 minutes. I just don't see the Bucks being able to stop that offense. I HATE Miami...but am not a Buckeye supporter either. I hope it is a good game, but fear another beating from the Canes. Just like every expert, the key is the first quarter. If OSU can move the ball and get a few first downs on their first few possessions, it might make it more interesting. I think that Miami will simply stack the line and make Krenzel throw down the field. I've not seen them play much this year (even though my wife is a huge fan and I'm Blue Backer), I don't know how effective he'll throwing the ball vertically down the field. The real good matchup, in my opinion is the Iowa USC game. I'm looking forward to that one more than the one for the big enchilada.

KittyDuran
12-31-2002, 08:42 AM
I'm going to make it close...:p
I honestly wonder how much the stuff going around OSU will affect the game - Clarett blowing up to the media after not being able to go to a friend's funeral in Youngstown is the latest. I can see both sides - but this might be the biggest game in Clarett college career and it's certainly one of the biggest games in OSU recent history. So you have Clarett emotionally hurt but OSU making sure that everything is going right. But OTOH, it might bring them together...:thumbup:

GAC
01-01-2003, 08:10 AM
Why does this kind of crap always have to happen at such crucial times like this? GEEZ!

Personally... and though we all don't know all the facts yet. I really don't think that the OSU brass were trying to "play games" with Clarett and keep him from returning home for this friend's funeral.

People like to assume things when others simply say "no comment" (including Clarett's Mom who refuses to come out and say anything negaitve about OSU's mgt. at this point).

I do tend to want to believe that it's more a NCAA bureaucratic "snafoo" than anything else. I'm not "up" on all the by-laws and rules of the NCAA, so I could be wrong; but isn't OSU prevented from simply buying him the ticket to return home? Doesn't Clarett have to process this through the NCAA as a hardship situation?

I just don't see the "advantages" for OSU to try and screw this kid over (and I'm thinking long term here).

He's mad and upset (and rightly so). I just hope he is not allowing his emotions to cause him to needlessly lash out at this time.

Spring~Fields
01-03-2003, 08:18 PM
er um it is game time, predictions are closed......


GO BUCKEYES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Make me wrong boys........:thumbup:

Phoenix
01-03-2003, 08:26 PM
Clarett is going to get crucified if OSU loses so now he's got to deliver. Go Bucks!

Larkin Fan
01-03-2003, 09:47 PM
Originally posted by Phoenix
Clarett is going to get crucified if OSU loses so now he's got to deliver. Go Bucks!

And boy did he deliver just a little while go with that touchdown!

It's half time and it's 14-7 Buckeyes. GO BUCKS!!!!

Spring~Fields
01-03-2003, 09:51 PM
OHIO STATE 14 - MIAMI SACKED SACKED SACKED INTERCEPTION INTERCEPTION 7...........Should be 17-7 but we had to give them a chance................ :beerme: :beerme: :beerme: :beerme:

Regardless of the end result........IT IS A VICTORY OVER THE 34-0 TEAM.........................

Now OSU knows the bowdenesque press is BS and on to the second half...............They now know they can play with and beat the alleged unbeatable.

GO BUCKS




:beerme: :beerme: :beerme:

This ain't Iowa BABY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:hat:

Phoenix
01-03-2003, 09:54 PM
Buckeye Defense looks awesome. Keep it goin' Tressel!

Larkin Fan
01-03-2003, 09:55 PM
Originally posted by Phoenix
Buckeye Defense looks awesome. Keep it goin' Tressel!

Couldn't agree more. This team is looking good!:thumbup:

Go Bucks! Bring us home the championship!

Spring~Fields
01-03-2003, 09:58 PM
enough said.....................

McGahee who:evilgrin: ?

What did Woody say about a team that passed too much? ........hee hee hee............:thumbup:

Spring~Fields
01-03-2003, 10:00 PM
Johnny Bench stepped up to the plate and ..........drilled one ...........gosh was that against Pittsburgh.............grin:roll:

Phoenix
01-03-2003, 10:02 PM
Miami is going to try a lot of screens/slants in the second half- trying to get the ball quickly over the defensive line.

Phoenix
01-03-2003, 10:03 PM
Originally posted by SpringfieldFan
Johnny Bench stepped up to the plate and ..........drilled one ...........gosh was that against Pittsburgh.............grin:roll:

I haven't been this pumped since Eric Davis nailed the 2 run dinger in Game One.

Spring~Fields
01-03-2003, 10:05 PM
Phoenix,

I think you are right, I hope, cough, they did not see what we saw with those slants.................and go with ego versus what worked too well.................OSU could not cover those patterns.

I still wish OSU would punish the receiver......and make him think ............and thus drop the catchable in the next half.

Phoenix
01-03-2003, 10:10 PM
Originally posted by SpringfieldFan
Phoenix,

I think you are right, I hope, cough, they did not see what we saw with those slants.................and go with ego versus what worked too well.................OSU could not cover those patterns.

I still wish OSU would punish the receiver......and make him think ............and thus drop the catchable in the next half.

It's exactly what we saw in the first possession- Dorsey is gonna take one step back and try to hit McGahey with running room. But the linebackers got to stop it and Doss has to quickly move up.

Phoenix
01-03-2003, 10:19 PM
Poor pass by Krenzel but what a great heads up play by Clarett!

I am sitting here floored by how great the OSU kicking game is. Punting, kick-offs, FG's.

And Keith Jackson has lost it. Time to retire buddy.

Spring~Fields
01-03-2003, 10:27 PM
......The Announcers are not sure what to say..............:eek:

Phoenix
01-03-2003, 10:47 PM
Poor decisions by Krenzel. He always seems to break the wrong way when he's running.

Phoenix
01-03-2003, 11:00 PM
Got to STOP that short pass!!!!

Spring~Fields
01-04-2003, 12:49 AM
ITs all over who was it on this board that said, faith vs science.................you fill in the gap.:smokin:

Phoenix
01-04-2003, 12:58 AM
Such a phenomenal game. OSU wins the National Championship.

I have got to get this on tape.

How am I supposed to watch the NFL tomorrow? I think I'll take my wife to a movie.

remdog
01-04-2003, 01:18 AM
One of the best football games that I have watched in the past 20 years.

Congrats to the Buckeyes and kudos to Ohio State and Miami Universtity for putting on a great show! It was awesome!

Rem

Spring~Fields
01-04-2003, 01:40 AM
After further review, and further review………..the Winners of the predictions thread are as following:

RedsFanalways1966 Buckeyes 24 - Hurricanes 17 a 7 point margin……………..

Kitty Duran – “OSU 21 Miami 17” aw only a four pointer.........with a 4 point margin.

Buckeye Red27 “OSU 17 Miami 13” close but no cigar.

GAC 24-21, and surprise everyone……..a 3 point (faithless margin if you ask me) but a 3 point margin none the less.

Boss with his comment “The spread is 13 points.” But he failed to make a prediction and is disqualified, even though the score was 31-24, ( oh well snooze you lose)

Bucksfan predicted – “Buckeyes - 24
Hurricanes – 21”

Further review, revealed GAC finished out of the money and a point spread of 4 was awarded to BuckeyeRed27.

Pete said "point spreads are important"........





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Spring~Fields
01-04-2003, 02:17 AM
http://espn-i.starwave.com/@v=0202544@/media/ncf/2003/0103/photo/wilhelm_ht.jpg

GAC
01-04-2003, 07:18 AM
Originally posted by SpringfieldFan
ITs all over who was it on this board that said, faith vs science.................you fill in the gap.:smokin:

Oh No!...the "gap" theory :eek:

faith triumphs once again!

Well, it's early the next morning and I'm sitting here listening to Tressel give his game re-cap on ESPN. This guy is a class act.

And I feel happy for kids like Doss and Wilhelm

Krentzel...81 yds rushing and 122 passing. He's not flashy, and he's no Joe Montana; but the kid rarely makes mistakes, uses his head on the field, and when he has to, he comes through and makes it count.

Who are underdogs now?

Sending the women shopping today, and getting ready for NFL play-offs. But after last night, I think I'm due for a letdown. Gonna be hard to match what we all got to witness last night.

This was one of those rare and unique games where years from now you'll be able to remember where you were at, ands what you were doing, when these boys WON IT ALL!

And to think my daughter roots for Michigan. The little coward wouldn't even come into the room last night. It may have been due to the fact that I threatened to set her hat on fire while she was still in it ;)