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Matt700wlw
04-20-2008, 12:15 PM
...not mine, but I thought I'd throw it to the masses...

Bronson Arroyo for Brandon Inge...

Detroit has pitching issues, and the Reds have bat issues....both make about the same amount of money, and Inge is kind of out of place in Detroit...

RedsManRick
04-20-2008, 12:17 PM
Bronson Arroyo is a better than league average starting pitcher. It seems that is continually undervalued. Inge is comparable in value to Freel.

guttle11
04-20-2008, 12:17 PM
Shouldn't you be turning some dials and screaming for a break or something? ;)

As far as the trade...I'd do it the minute they deem Bailey to be ready. Maybe in mid-May when Granderson is fully back. Inge has more pop in the bat than Freel, and has shown he can play every day if needed to cover an injury. I'd even throw in a Marcus McBeth type player in the Tigers want more.

Matt700wlw
04-20-2008, 12:19 PM
Nah....they don't listen to me :)

Patrick Bateman
04-20-2008, 12:21 PM
...not mine, but I thought I'd throw it to the masses...

Bronson Arroyo for Brandon Inge...

Detroit has pitching issues, and the Reds have bat issues....both make about the same amount of money, and Inge is kind of out of place in Detroit...


The problem with this trade is that Arroyo solves the Tiger's pitching woes, while Inge does absolutely nothing to solve our problems. You don't trade above average starters for players that only should be playing in abut a fifth of the games (Inge against lefties). Even then Inge is overrated and isn't likely to improve on the guy he replaces. I'm numb with confusion on why anyone would think this trade would make any sense for the Reds.

RedlegJake
04-20-2008, 12:30 PM
Yeah, I'd trade Arroyo but I don't get the love for Inge thing...

PuffyPig
04-20-2008, 12:36 PM
With Inge's salary and contract issues, he has negative value. He has no place to play on our team, and that's saying something considering our woes against lefties.

I'd rather have Cantu, who is better and cheaper.

Arroyo, if traded, could be moved for value.

blumj
04-20-2008, 12:51 PM
With Inge's salary and contract issues, he has negative value. He has no place to play on our team, and that's saying something considering our woes against lefties.

I'd rather have Cantu, who is better and cheaper.

Arroyo, if traded, could be moved for value.

Cantu isn't good at anything. Inge can play 3B, CF, and catch, and he does all of them well, which is pretty amazing when you think about it. I wouldn't trade Arroyo for him, but Inge is a very useful player for the right team.

*BaseClogger*
04-20-2008, 12:54 PM
With Inge's salary and contract issues, he has negative value. He has no place to play on our team, and that's saying something considering our woes against lefties.

This trade idea is silly, but there would be plenty of opportunities for Inge to play. He would probably be as good defensively as Javy Valentin behind the plate, and he also can play every position. He could play CF against LH pitching...

EDIT: blumj beat me to it^^

*BaseClogger*
04-20-2008, 01:00 PM
Inge splits:

v. RH .229/.290/.375
v. LH .275/.346/.455

this includes over 600 really crappy AB's from back in his catching days. Inge could be a very useful utility guy and RH bench power bat. The Tigers better pay some of that salary, however.

Another interesting Tiger, Marcus Thames:

v. RH .225/.285/.470
v. LH .260/.332/.510

Pure power. He can play LF and 1B. Recently has been more productive than those career splits.

That said, Bronson Arroyo should bring back more than some bench players...

PuffyPig
04-20-2008, 01:24 PM
Cantu isn't good at anything. Inge can play 3B, CF, and catch, and he does all of them well, which is pretty amazing when you think about it. I wouldn't trade Arroyo for him, but Inge is a very useful player for the right team.


Useful player perhaps, but he's a poor player.

But trading Arroyo for him?

And I wouldn't pay a fortune on a long term contract for a "useful" player.

Falls City Beer
04-20-2008, 01:40 PM
Yeah, I'd trade Arroyo but I don't get the love for Inge thing...

My take too. It's time to get out while the gettin's good on Arroyo, but I'm not about to punt a chip like Bronson for Inge.

blumj
04-20-2008, 01:56 PM
Useful player perhaps, but he's a poor player.

But trading Arroyo for him?

And I wouldn't pay a fortune on a long term contract for a "useful" player.
I guess you and I have very different ideas of what constitutes a "poor player". I wouldn't trade Arroyo or pay a fortune for him, but I don't think he's a poor player at all. And certainly not compared to many, many other players who currently reside on major league rosters.

jojo
04-20-2008, 01:59 PM
As an offensive answer, Inge is a great defender. :D

At GABP, Brandon Inge would be something akin to David Bell having an above average year at the plate (above David Bell's average year not the leagues). With EE, I'm not sure why you'd play Inge at third but if you're not playing him at third, I'm not sure where you'd play him.

Trading 200 IP for a guy Detroit couldn't give away in order to marginalize EE seems a bit like a Rube Goldberg construction.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/88/Rubenvent.jpg

Jpup
04-20-2008, 05:08 PM
I'd like to have Inge, but Arroyo is a little much. I would do it if the Tigers would send a couple of near ready guys over. Inge has a cannon for a right arm.

lollipopcurve
04-20-2008, 05:41 PM
Inge is an outstanding defender.

Matt700wlw
04-20-2008, 05:49 PM
Caller just said trade Edwin for Sean Casey.

You can't make this stuff up!

edabbs44
04-20-2008, 05:49 PM
My take too. It's time to get out while the gettin's good on Arroyo, but I'm not about to punt a chip like Bronson for Inge.

But is the gettin good right now? His value has to be pretty low, especially with his salary set to escalate next season.

Spring~Fields
04-20-2008, 05:52 PM
Caller just said trade Edwin for Sean Casey.

You can't make this stuff up!

I heard that too, bout broke my neck turning toward the radio, let alone almost falling off the chair, that guy was as serious as a heart attack. :fineprint certifiable.

Falls City Beer
04-20-2008, 05:53 PM
But is the gettin good right now? His value has to be pretty low, especially with his salary set to escalate next season.

What would you do? Wait even longer?

There's not really a good time for this--trade him by the deadline, save the payroll for a younger option next year.

edabbs44
04-20-2008, 05:58 PM
What would you do? Wait even longer?

There's not really a good time for this--trade him by the deadline, save the payroll for a younger option next year.

No...but I can't see him yielding much until (if?) he turns it around.

Most other teams aren't flat out dumb. They know he is owed $22ish million over the next two years.

George Anderson
04-20-2008, 05:58 PM
Caller just said trade Edwin for Sean Casey.

You can't make this stuff up!

But.....but.....Sean is a nice guy and he signs autographs. :rolleyes:

Falls City Beer
04-20-2008, 05:59 PM
No...but I can't see him yielding much until (if?) he turns it around.

Most other teams aren't flat out dumb. They know he is owed $22ish million over the next two years.

A good reputation can stick to a guy longer than his performance merits--it happens all the time. And really his contract isn't that prohibitive to a team that still believes he's an above average pitcher.

edabbs44
04-20-2008, 06:02 PM
A good reputation can stick to a guy longer than his performance merits--it happens all the time. And really his contract isn't that prohibitive to a team that still believes he's an above average pitcher.

I guess the hard part is finding that team who believes in that.

Falls City Beer
04-20-2008, 06:14 PM
I guess the hard part is finding that team who believes in that.

Well--if it's any comfort, many on the board still believe he is.

I'm guessing a stats GM like Beane wouldn't mind him if he's in the race at the deadline. He'd only surrender one dinger a game in Oakland as opposed to two or three in GAB. He'd probably look a lot like 2006 Esteban Loiaza out in Oakland.

fearofpopvol1
04-20-2008, 06:19 PM
I think the Reds are too thin on pitching as it is. Volquez and Cueto are still question marks and certainly Belisle (if that is the new #5 option) is too. Arroyo is at least somewhat proven. If the Reds plan to "go for it" next year and the year after, I don't think punting Arroyo is a good idea. Maybe slot him down in the rotation, but there are far too many question marks still to think about getting rid of him unless it's a deal that can help the Reds immediately (or at least by next season a la Volquez).

Falls City Beer
04-20-2008, 06:21 PM
I think the Reds are too thin on pitching as it is. Volquez and Cueto are still question marks and certainly Belisle (if that is the new #5 option) is too. Arroyo is at least somewhat proven. If the Reds plan to "go for it" next year and the year after, I don't think punting Arroyo is a good idea. Maybe slot him down in the rotation, but there are far too many question marks still to think about getting rid of him unless it's a deal that can help the Reds immediately (or at least by next season a la Volquez).

I don't want to punt him. I want to get a good young rotation arm for him at the deadline.

*BaseClogger*
04-20-2008, 06:22 PM
With EE, I'm not sure why you'd play Inge at third but if you're not playing him at third, I'm not sure where you'd play him.

Center Field? Catcher? First Base? Anywhere else on the field for a day off? :dunno:

*BaseClogger*
04-20-2008, 06:23 PM
I'd like to have Inge, but Arroyo is a little much. I would do it if the Tigers would send a couple of near ready guys over. Inge has a cannon for a right arm.

They don't have any near ready arms. That is one of their problems...

jojo
04-20-2008, 06:26 PM
Center Field? Catcher? First Base? Anywhere else on the field for a day off? :dunno:

You've just traded 200 IP from your rotation for Freel?

*BaseClogger*
04-20-2008, 06:29 PM
You've just traded 200 IP from your rotation for Freel?

Just responded to your thought. Never supported this trade. Read what I posted earlier:


This trade idea is silly, but there would be plenty of opportunities for Inge to play. He would probably be as good defensively as Javy Valentin behind the plate, and he also can play every position. He could play CF against LH pitching...

Correct target, wrong package...

mth123
04-20-2008, 06:49 PM
I think Inge or Thames is a good idea for this team (I'd take both and make Inge the catcher). I wouldn't deal Arroyo though.

I'd say Coffey and McBeth for Thames when Granderson comes back is a deal Detroit would consider. Inge could slide into Thames RH AB's in LF while continuing as an insurance policy all over the diamond. Granderson takes back over in CF. Coffey and McBeth deepen the pen options for Detroit and the money between Thames and Coffey is about even. Detroit may want a little more and if the Reds parted with a prospect ranked in the 20 something in the system, that guy would probably be in the top 10 in Detroit's depleted system. Coffey and McBeth may both have a role in Detroit's pen freeing a guy like Zach Minor for the rotation until Willis comes back. Coffey wouldn't give up such a high percentage of HR's on his fly balls in Detroit's park.

fearofpopvol1
04-20-2008, 07:16 PM
I don't want to punt him. I want to get a good young rotation arm for him at the deadline.

It's not a bad idea, but again, it's gotta be arm that's ready to pitch next year and one that projects to pitch well. It's still ballsy though. I think the upside would have to be fantastic at this point, especially with the Reds planning on going for it the next couple of years.

camisadelgolf
04-22-2008, 03:41 AM
The Reds have enough offense. The problem has been "clutch" hitting. Maybe that could be fixed with better lineup construction. The Reds would certainly benefit if they could turn Votto, Griffey, or Dunn into a right-hander. Therefore, I don't think replacing Encarnacion is the answer.

And as RedsManRick said, Arroyo should be considerably more valuable than Inge.

redsfan4445
04-22-2008, 06:17 AM
How about Bronson Arroyo for Matt Kemp?? then call of Bailey to take his place in the rotation instead?

jojo
04-22-2008, 06:41 AM
How about Bronson Arroyo for Matt Kemp?? then call of Bailey to take his place in the rotation instead?

Why would LA do that? Kemp isn't going anywhere. I doubt the Reds would do that.

Heath
04-22-2008, 07:37 AM
I think Inge or Thames is a good idea for this team (I'd take both and make Inge the catcher). I wouldn't deal Arroyo though.

I'd say Coffey and McBeth for Thames when Granderson comes back is a deal Detroit would consider. Inge could slide into Thames RH AB's in LF while continuing as an insurance policy all over the diamond. Granderson takes back over in CF. Coffey and McBeth deepen the pen options for Detroit and the money between Thames and Coffey is about even. Detroit may want a little more and if the Reds parted with a prospect ranked in the 20 something in the system, that guy would probably be in the top 10 in Detroit's depleted system. Coffey and McBeth may both have a role in Detroit's pen freeing a guy like Zach Minor for the rotation until Willis comes back. Coffey wouldn't give up such a high percentage of HR's on his fly balls in Detroit's park.

And hey, Todd Jones could teach Todd Coffey a little about relievin'.

pahster
04-22-2008, 09:42 AM
Why would LA do that? Kemp isn't going anywhere. I doubt the Reds would do that.

We are talking about Ned Colletti here. :p: